Theres plenty of risk in hisec

You can be wardecced
You can be ganked
You can get a socket error mid-mission

all working as intended.





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cept the last one, i doubt ccp do that deliberately ...

Why? Why can't you accept that people might like to stay in HighSec? There's no need for them to leave and they shouldn't be forced to.

It's not

The highsec miner has no access to
Arknor
Bistot
Crokite
Mercoxit

If the Highsec Miner is part of a playercorp, he has no access to Moon Materials.

But it is, highsec incursion and mission running are very comparable if not better than nullsec ratting in any form. Highsec mining is currently more lucrative than nullsec mining. Exploration is a hobby profession and does not matter. Access to features has nothing to do with reward.

Before one of you pubbies whines about moons consider this:

Reward = Number of moons*value of materials produced - (tower costs + defense costs + diplomatic maintenance + system costs + surround system costs)

Each of those has formula behind them as well but I'm not going to get into that. Those moons are a lot less rewarding than no experience highsec pubbies think they are.

Theres plenty of risk in hisec

You can be wardecced
You can be ganked
You can get a socket error mid-mission

all working as intended.





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cept the last one, i doubt ccp do that deliberately ...

Wardecs are so easily avoided they might as well not exist.
ganking most ships is unprofitabe and not nearly as common as some would have you think.
socket errors are so rare you have a better chance seeing a guardian vexor and its not exactly working as intended...

Not on topic, but are there any Guardian-Vexxors even left? Last I heard was 2 left, but that seemed like years ago.

he missed/ignored the edit comment at bottom re socket errors

and Darth has still not answered my earlier question re hisec mining

why are you so determined to restrict and/or remove an isk-sink ?

he missed/ignored the edit comment at bottom re socket errors

But it is, highsec incursion and mission running are very comparable if not better than nullsec ratting in any form. Highsec mining is currently more lucrative than nullsec mining. Exploration is a hobby profession and does not matter. Access to features has nothing to do with reward.

No.

Leave the care bears alone.

Stop f**king trying to FORCE people to play the game how you want.

Stop f**king insulting people simply because they don't like PvP.

Stop f**king thinking PvPing makes you somehow a tough guy.

It wont happen. Let it go. If they're anything like ME, the moment I'm COERCED into doing anything, it makes me that much less likely to do it so yes, this will push people out of the game.

LEAVE. THEM. ALONE.

This is not a f**king PVP game; this is an MMORPG. It is PVP AND PVE.

Flame me all you want, I don't give a s**t. I am sick and tired of you GriefBears bitching about CCP not giving you people to harass and grief all damned day because you can't bother to PvP with other people who WANT to PvP.

And yes...I'm calling your BS. You don't want to PvP. You want to f**king grief people. You want to harass PVE'ers because you're f**king cowards. Take your stupid asses to Low/Null with that s**t and let people play the game how they want.

God DAMN...

I was willing to stipulate that high-sec rewards were lower just because it makes my point all the more important.

If mining ice in high-sec is such a poor-paying profession (or scordite, or veldspar), why would anybody want to deplete its value any further by removing risk associated with its acquisition?

Your points are equally valid as mine, so my stipulation may have been a lapse in strategy.

Either way one has to wonder why high-sec miners want lower wages today for the same work they put in yesterday.

No.

Leave the care bears alone.

Stop f**king trying to FORCE people to play the game how you want.

Stop f**king insulting people simply because they don't like PvP.

Stop f**king thinking PvPing makes you somehow a tough guy.

It wont happen. Let it go. If they're anything like ME, the moment I'm COERCED into doing anything, it makes me that much less likely to do it so yes, this will push people out of the game.

LEAVE. THEM. ALONE.

This is not a f**king PVP game; this is an MMORPG. It is PVP AND PVE.

Flame me all you want, I don't give a s**t. I am sick and tired of you GriefBears bitching about CCP not giving you people the ability to harass and grief all damned day because you can't bother to PvP with other people who WANT to PvP.

And yes...I'm calling your BS. You don't want to PvP. You want to f**king grief people. You want to harass PVE'ers because you're f**king cowards. Take your stupid asses to Low/Null with that s**t and let people play the game how they want.

God DAMN...

This is a PVP game. Your meltdown was very un-amusing and I suggest you study the insightful works of Krixtal Icefluxor. If you want to leave risk alone then reward HAS to be reduced to balance highsec with the rest of the game. No one is trying to force people to play the game differently we want balance.

So you're bored out in 0.0 with nothing to shoot and you think coming here and putting down on High Sec dwellers will solve your problem.

Oh me.

I've played since Castor, Lived in High Sec for a year or so until I got a foundation under me (isk, ships, skills), and then I....I said I decided to take the plunge to 0.0. It wasn't because I was bored in HighSec, or because some doucher was stealing my ore, or someone was popping my miners, it was because I wanted to be something more in game.

Guess what......not EVERYONE in Eve wants to live in 0.0. SURPRISE!

Crazy stuff huh, that someone might want to play the game differently than you?

It's post like this that make people want to stay in high sec, because you sound like an Elitist Doucher.

I lived in 0.0 for several years and hell even had stations named after me, but at some point it got old so I came back to high sec. When I'm ready I'll move back to 0.0.....it will be because once again I made another decision, and it won't be because I was forced.

See how that works?

This is a PVP game. Your meltdown was very un-amusing and I suggest you study the insightful works of Krixtal Icefluxor. If you want to leave risk alone then reward HAS to be reduced to balance highsec with the rest of the game. No one is trying to force people to play the game differently we want balance.

E: The best idea for all of this is to allow players to control their risk and have their reward be dependent on that. The best example of this is freighting. Player A chooses to maximize their risk by packing their freighter with 50billion isk, they will reap the maximum amount of reward they can from this activity. Player B chooses to minimze their risk by packing their freighter with 2 billion isk, they will reap a much smaller amount of reward than player A does from this activity. In that example players control their risk which allows them to control their proportionate reward. Everything there is in the players hands including the responsibility for their success/failure.

And it needs to be said no ship in high sec is ungankable. Some have become unprofitable to gank. It does not mean that emergent game play can not find a way to make that ganking profitable again. Red Frog Freight came about because of emergent game play. Gankers can and should form some type of organization with a fee for service. Nothing is stopping that from happening. In fact the circumstances right now rather encourages it. With all the competition for those mining resources.
Yet at the same time in my opninion we still have a shortage of high sec ores on the market. We also have too many ice miners. Those that mine ice for a living would be inclined I think to hiring ganks on those ice bots.

ANd what's funny id, the only people you see with that viewpoint are veterans. They're established, they've got ships, skills, millions of SP and a huge ALliance to fund/carry them. Now they want to come to HS and destroy noobs and PVE'ers, it's SO f**king lame and pathetic, because you KNOW these pussies didn't log in on day 1 and go straight to null to live on the wilde side". No sir. These punk asses stayed their asses in highsec just like EVERYONE ELSE until they felt PREPARED/MOTIVATED to go to null, but they they want to call people "carebears" for doing the same s**t they did. Can't stand these MF'ers man seriously, people like this PLAGUE EVERY f**king MMO out there and it is insanely annoying. S**ting on folks for anything from just wanting to PVE to actually having lives outside of the game.

Show me where CCP says this is a PVP ONLY game.

EVE has always been advertised as a PVP game. Everything involves it.

This is a PVP game. Your meltdown was very un-amusing and I suggest you study the insightful works of Krixtal Icefluxor. If you want to leave risk alone then reward HAS to be reduced to balance highsec with the rest of the game. No one is trying to force people to play the game differently we want balance.

E: The best idea for all of this is to allow players to control their risk and have their reward be dependent on that. The best example of this is freighting. Player A chooses to maximize their risk by packing their freighter with 50billion isk, they will reap the maximum amount of reward they can from this activity. Player B chooses to minimze their risk by packing their freighter with 2 billion isk, they will reap a much smaller amount of reward than player A does from this activity. In that example players control their risk which allows them to control their proportionate reward. Everything there is in the players hands including the responsibility for their success/failure.

Krixtal Icefluxor, I seem to recall seeing that name somewhere...

You can put up smokescreen after smokescreen, bottom line is you nullersare bored and you want some easy targets. Bottom, F'ing, Line. Miners in HS are like raw steaks and you're (alleged) Lions behind 8 inch thick glass. Go ahead and implement these changes and watch the numbers plummet.

You can put up smokescreen after smokescreen, bottom line is you nullersare bored and you want some easy targets. Bottom, F'ing, Line. Miners in HS are like raw steaks and you're (alleged) Lions behind 8 inch thick glass. Go ahead and implement these changes and watch the numbers plummet.

EVE has always been advertised as a PVP game. Everything involves it.

Advertising the PVP element is not the same as it being a PVP Game.

If it were a PVP game,we wouldn't have you guys here bitching about how CCP is stifling PVP against Highsec PVE'ers now would we.

See how the OP's OWN POST destroys this argument???


(Checkmate, I'm unsubbed from this thread,you guys sit here and whine all day).

KP

And what's funny is, the only people you see with that viewpoint are veterans. They're established, they've got ships, skills, millions of SP and a huge ALliance to fund/carry them. Now they want to come to HS and destroy noobs and PVE'ers, it's SO f**king lame and pathetic, because you KNOW these pussies didn't log in on day 1 and go straight to null to live on the wilde side". No sir. These punk asses stayed their asses in highsec just like EVERYONE ELSE until they felt PREPARED/MOTIVATED to go to null, but they they want to call people "carebears" for doing the same s**t they did. Can't stand these MF'ers man seriously, people like this PLAGUE EVERY f**king MMO out there and it is insanely annoying. S**ting on folks for anything from just wanting to PVE to actually having lives outside of the game. (Like this Goonqueer above me).

We don't hunt newbies, we are one of the most newbie friendly alliances in the game. All of that stuff we have we earned through many man-hours of listening to DBRB while shooting structures. We come to highsec because nullsec is neglected and continually attenuated by CCP. This meltdown is much better than your last one.