And like I keep saying, gankers don't do things to piss away their ISK just to be contrary.

Challenge is too tough for you?

I think you are seriously missing the point. Just out of curiosity, how do you fund your PvP? When you lose a ship, implants, etc, how do you pay to replace them? Do you never use implants and let your skills train that slowly? One assumes not...so where do you get the isk for all your PvP activities?

So you're just lying, then.

Nope.

Nope.

No wonder why gankers say Skiff is useless when they don't even want to gank it...

That's been done in many threads.

You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.

So present the proof to support your claim.

Just tell me when you want to gank it.

So you're still refusing to present any proof.
You're still just lying and you're content with making yourself a bigger liar.

Dodging the question does not alter this course you've picked.

Do you want to gank my Skiff or not?

Militant miner?

oxymoron

So present the proof to support your claim.
Until you do, you're just a liar. The more you try to dodge it, the bigger a liar you grow into (and you're astronomically large in that department already).

Tippia, perhaps you should calm down before you post.

I'm calmer than a lake on a windless day. I'm just trying to get Jorma to stop lying and for once GÇö just once, even if it's only accidentally and completely unintentionally GÇö to say something that is actually true.

I don't particularly see how it's rude to ask him to stick to reality instead of constantly injecting his feverish dreams as a (lack of) support for whatever nonsense he wish to dribble todayGǪ

The fact that I have enough knowledge about the game to know that he's lying is exactly why I'm trying to make him utter at least a syllable of truth.

High sec spawns are insulting and an embarrassment to this game almost on level with faction warfare farming which is beyond embarrassing.

People come here and post threads like these for what purpose? What is the hidden agenda? Part of the problem is most players donGÇÖt want fair competition.

This was never more so obvious by all the tears from all the school yard bullies when the exhumer buffs hit.

ItGÇÖs not about risk vs. reward itGÇÖs about CCP removing their easy kills. If these people wanted real competition they would stay in low and null space and have their fun. If these places are so much damn fun why are they so determined to drag players from hi-sec into their space? If low/null is so much damn fun then why are they killing miners in hi-sec and not having fair competition with each other in low/null? They donGÇÖt want fair competition they just want easy kills.

Part of the problem is almost everyone and their brother are alliance in null. They have nothing to do so now they feel they need to get the easy targets from hi-sec to their own fracked up space that they themselves have created. Clean up your own yard before you come to sheet in mine.

People that have established themselves in low/null want a lot from hi-sec people that are happy with what they have. You canGÇÖt force people to play the way you want, if these people want to try low/null then they will. If they donGÇÖt then they wonGÇÖt. DoesnGÇÖt get much simpler than that.

Low/null players have fracked up their own space donGÇÖt let em frack up hi-sec. You guys gate camp and kill players that try to come thru and all for what? A few easy kills. You have made your bed now sleep in it.


People want to have their cake and eat it too. They want their easy kills and they donGÇÖt others to have the ability to make money. You chose null/low no one forces you stay, no one forces you to keep that second account going in high sec to fund you losses, no one forces you to play the way you choose to play.


Bottom line is you guys have fracked up and exploited your own space till its sheet to be part of so now you feel the need to do the same to hi-sec. Good luck because if or when you get your way I wonGÇÖt have any part of it.

I'm still waiting for an actual justification for the introduction of risk for hi-sec miners from the "would love nothing more than to gank the miners for lolz" crowd in this topic.

If they AFK mine enough... they will have 0 risk with 0 profit/reward to match..... I don't see the issue here....

Well when they were getting ganked miners also enjoyed the best profits they have ever seen which is a rather nice thing. It also removed a great deal of bots which is also great for everyone.

But risk for miners doesnt have to be only from pvp.

Do you want to gank my Skiff or not?

That's been done in many threads.

You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.

I'm still waiting for an actual justification for the introduction of risk for hi-sec miners from the "would love nothing more than to gank the miners for lolz" crowd in this topic.

If they AFK mine enough... they will have 0 risk with 0 profit/reward to match..... I don't see the issue here....

I didn't see those profits, ever. Profit from T1 ship manufacturing has been same for as long as I can remember.

During HAG, the miners who tanked their ships or mined aligned (or any number of other solutions) reaped record profits.

I didn't see those profits, ever. Profit from T1 ship manufacturing has been same for as long as I can remember.

In the great words of Bane. "You are just going to have to imagine the beatings".

I produce a large number of t1 hulls and ice products. My profits have dropped sharply over the last few months as the market has adjusted to the lower resource prices. Many hulls have being making a loss o er the last few weeks.