And it needs to be said no ship in high sec is ungankable. Some have become unprofitable to gank. It does not mean that emergent game play can not find a way to make that ganking profitable again. Red Frog Freight came about because of emergent game play. Gankers can and should form some type of organization with a fee for service. Nothing is stopping that from happening. In fact the circumstances right now rather encourages it. With all the competition for those mining resources.
Yet at the same time in my opninion we still have a shortage of high sec ores on the market. We also have too many ice miners. Those that mine ice for a living would be inclined I think to hiring ganks on those ice bots.

Except that no, it can't. Not against untanked AFK miners in Mackinaws.

You're arguing that someone who is taking literally no precautions to ensure their own safety should be safe in HS.

Pre-Buff,
Miners who took precautions were either unprofitable to gank (and thus not ganked) or virtually impossible to gank (and thus not ganked). They enjoyed high mineral prices.
Miners who did not take precautions (afk mining in an untanked Cargo Hulk, for instance) sometimes died. They enjoyed high mineral prices tempered by the loss of their ship.

Post-Buff:
Miners who take precautions don't get ganked.
Minder who don't take precautions don't get ganked.
Everyone suffers from low mineral prices.

See where the problem is? Smart, Industrious players gain no advantage from their intelligence and industry over the dumb and lazy.

Crimewatch 2.0 spreads this to the rest of HS.

When's it the victim's turn to adapt instead of running under CCP's skirts for a new nerf?

Gankers organized dessie fleets, the Ice interdictions, and HAG as an adaptation to their profession being nerfed in Crucible (insurance nerf more than outweighed Dessies and t3 BCs). And have been nerfed for it.
With the Tornado, Gankers re-introduced a years old emergent mechanic that allowed them to reduce their newly exploded costs. And they were nerfed for it.
Before that, Gankers discovered the joys of cheaply fit, insured ships in response to CONCORD becoming untankable. And were nerfed for it.
Between those times, Gankers adapted to numerous nerfs in the form of reductions to CONCORD. After each adaptation, BAM, another nerf.

It's hilarious because they get what they want, so clearly CCP thinks they're pretty important.

Nice argument.

But if the ganker loses his ship (when WILL they learn) then the miner HAS to mine minerals so he can buy another one.

High sec population is what? -60%

No, my position is part of a larger plan. I dont really think highsec mining should exist in the form it currently does either. I would make several changes to it such that it would no longer resemble the communist paradise it currently is. And you forgot above that I wanted to remove the crutch of local chat. That alone would add significant risk from players without aggressors being able to readily resort to suicide.

We only have emus in Australia. Wasn't aware of ostriches in yours.

Everytime I read these Hisec vs Nullsec stories and ideas I get this image in my mind where they let a group of prisoners loose in the center of a big civilized city. Prisoners running around like barbarians with clubs and maces, whacking their way through the streets to loot and kill whatever they come across, screaming MINE MINE MINE!!!!

Dear Darth

We only have emus in Australia. Wasn't aware of ostriches in yours.

Regards
Strawman.

Oh wait. I'm blocked.... So "my insipid, weak arguments and homiletics will be missed".

PS: GankerMan is now not only poor and singled out. He's also angry, and yet it would be sooooo easy to make the change to correct it.

Hang on.

WHERE have I heard THAT before?????

Your arguments are pretty terrible I can't blame Darth for not wanting to try and match wits with such a mentally unarmed person. They basically consist of ~grass is greener~, ~honorable pvp~, or ~adapt like the miners did~. All of those are terrible arguments. Ebushido was weeded out via natural selection, CCP had no hand in it. The miners did not adapt CCP merely gave them crash helmets as if they were epileptics. Grass is greener or not the system is broken and is not as it should be, this is the one case CCP should intervene in (aside from reverting barge EHP buffs for hulk/mack).

Feel free to put bountys on your favourite targets and concord will not even come to defend them.

What more do you want?
Do you want CCP to change rat belt ships for mining barges?

Feel free to put bountys on your favourite targets and concord will not even come to defend them.

What more do you want?
Do you want CCP to change rat belt ships for mining barges?

So you're bored out in 0.0 with nothing to shoot and you think coming here and putting down on High Sec dwellers will solve your problem.

Oh me.

I've played since Castor, Lived in High Sec for a year or so until I got a foundation under me (isk, ships, skills), and then I....I said I decided to take the plunge to 0.0. It wasn't because I was bored in HighSec, or because some doucher was stealing my ore, or someone was popping my miners, it was because I wanted to be something more in game.

Guess what......not EVERYONE in Eve wants to live in 0.0. SURPRISE!

Crazy stuff huh, that someone might want to play the game differently than you?

It's post like this that make people want to stay in high sec, because you sound like an Elitist Doucher.

I lived in 0.0 for several years and hell even had stations named after me, but at some point it got old so I came back to high sec. When I'm ready I'll move back to 0.0.....it will be because once again I made another decision, and it won't be because I was forced.

See how that works?

Guess what......not EVERYONE in Eve wants to live in 0.0. SURPRISE!

Perfectly fine but their reward should not be equal to mine out in nullsec.

Get the NPC money out of empire. Level 3 and 4 missions all move to low and null, only veldspar available in .5+ systems, etc...

Will solve *most* problems.

It's not

The highsec miner has no access to
Arknor
Bistot
Crokite
Mercoxit

If the Highsec Miner is part of a playercorp, he has no access to Moon Materials.

That is one of the core problems of the game & things will only get worse if more people aren't encouraged out of highsec.

Why? Why can't you accept that people might like to stay in HighSec? There's no need for them to leave and they shouldn't be forced to.

The ironic thing is that you lamers that cower in empire are the ones always crying about anything that mildly perturbs in any way your closed-in repetitive game play. I'm trying to open it up. You want everything to stay exactly the same.

You aren't as important as you think, empire tools. Nobody would even notice if you weren't there. In many ways it's already as if you aren't.

I have about had it w/ empire people.

Your point is accepted. Now why would you want to drive down the prices of commodities which are available in high-sec on a macroeconomical scale by removing any risk?

The answer to your quesiton is very simple.

Value = Demand / Supply.

When risk is not present, there is no barrier to successfully increasing supply.

Risk also has a nasty way of increasing demand. Remove it, and demand goes down.

That lowers value of both the commodity and, by extension, the profession itself.

Getting people out of high-sec introduces risk and drives up the value of commodities, the professsions that produce them, and even the game itself.

I don't accept this. Why would I want to take one of my multi-billion ISK mission ships into Low/Null just for some lame cheesers to blow me up and steal my loot? That's not fun or enjoyable to me. It's happened once and I won't do it again. I'm quite happy running missions in HighSec and joining RvB when I want to PVP. I don't see why that should change just to cater to the whims of those who are butthurt that me and others like me won't present ourselves as targets for griefers.