Many play for the PVE and most of your arguement, if not all, is unsubstantiated and purely subjective.

Wardecs.

Wardecs.

You aint using them.

Jihadding with bigger ships that push out more DPS (but you'd make a loss dying to concord)... you aint using that either.

Infact, I see plenty of risk..... but I see more nullsec whiners avoiding risk and the costs involved and crying about it...

yes, lets kill all lowsec pvp and what little highsec pvp remains.

nerfing highsec income won't do anything but make people take less risks, when little noobies is in highsec struggling to get 200mil there is no way he is going to risk a 50mil drake in lowsec for some pew, but if he can get 2bil in a reasonable time then maybe he will.

a few things can happen in and around highsec that will be good.

first put some nullsec islands linking to highsec in some places.
we have some small lowsec pockets that have some pew and some highsec players try to go there sometimes, put some npc null pockets in small areas too. the ratting and mining will be better and might attract players like the lowsec areas.

people with low sec status should be fair game in highsec and lowsec, pod and all. depending on sec status. Possibly at the same time, delayed concord response for these people? needs work but yea.

remove implant drops from story line missions, all learning implants should be from LP stores.

let players build outpost in highsec and lowsec, but with no ability to lock out others they can however set tax rates. highsec NPC stations are still invincible though, and a player outpost cannot be built if a station is in system already: this will give some people a reason to wardec/be wardecced, have something stupid to spend money on, and some people might want to run a station in a system without one nearby.

Any why should they? If a given player does not like high, they can fly elsewhere. No one is forcing you to live in high sec and deal with the players there. You may say "But low sec is undesirable due to reasons xxx and yyy". Well if high sec was turned into low sec, it would gain those exact same problems!

Wardecs.

You aint using them.

Jihadding with bigger ships that push out more DPS (but you'd make a loss dying to concord)... you aint using that either.

Infact, I see plenty of risk..... but I see more nullsec whiners avoiding risk and the costs involved and crying about it...

Wardecs.

You aint using them.

Jihadding with bigger ships that push out more DPS (but you'd make a loss dying to concord)... you aint using that either.

Infact, I see plenty of risk..... but I see more nullsec whiners avoiding risk and the costs involved and crying about it...

Gankers are neither stupid nor randomly vindictive. Without the possibility (not guarantee, a tanked Hulk wasn't profitable pre-buff) of a profitable gank, industrialized ganking is impossible. Without industrialized ganking, suicide ganking is not a significant risk to miners.

Hear that guys? Sandbox means that I should be able to mine and mission run in peace without any unwanted interference.

No.
It means you should be able to mine and mission run.
It means someone else should be able to interfere.

You can do both with current mechanics
You can do both with proposed Winter Changes
The OP is proposing that the sandbox to be changed into a themepark.
The OP is stipulating that if you aren't playing the game his way, your doing it wrong.




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To the clueless moron that automatically assumed I'm an Empire Carebear
Locator Agent

Highsec mining definatly needs some sort of risk injected into it. As it stands right now there is no real threat to them.

No.
It means you should be able to mine and mission run.
It means someone else should be able to interfere.

You can do both with current mechanics
You can do both with proposed Winter Changes
The OP is proposing that the sandbox to be changed into a themepark.
The OP is stipulating that if you aren't playing the game his way, your doing it wrong.




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To the clueless moron that automatically assumed I'm an Empire Carebear
Locator Agent

Lol.

Highsec mining definatly needs some sort of risk injected into it. As it stands right now there is no real threat to them.

You might want to make the goons and their Hulkageddon project aware of this.

So you're saying risk is bad for successful players in high-sec?

Because Value = Demand / Supply, it seems that inherent risk is healthy for the game's economy.

It's elementary mathematics.

This post is neither informed nor factual. It asks no valid question and begs a rather cruel one.

Thanks for posting, but please support your arguments with facts or, barring facts, ask an intelligent question.

No.

I'm saying that the PvE playstyle is no less valid than a PvP playstyle
A sandbox game should allow for both.

Let me make this totally, absolutely clear. I am NOT advocating 100% safe PvE, because that is themepark gaming, and some people just seem to be incapable of differentiating between the 2 statements.
I will argue against requests for 100% safe PvE as much as I do against ideas such as this one
Each idea tries to push the game away from the sandbox ideal towards a more generic locked in themepark style.


Aren't the really succesful highsec players, the traders ??? with market-pvp risking thier billions of ISK on market trends and speculations. So, no, risk is actually good for them, it seems to spur them on.

You might want to make the goons and their Hulkageddon project aware of this.

Sandbox =/= missioning or mining in hisec at zero risk.

Sandbox =/= gankers getting easy kills on missioners or miners in hisec

Sandbox =/= missioning or mining in hisec at zero risk.

Sandbox =/= gankers getting easy kills on missioners or miners in hisec

IMO, More risk in high-sec is fine as long as it can be mitigated in a simple and careful way. Like using the Survey Scanner and Cargo scanner to check if asteroids and cans are rigged with booby traps or not. Then perhaps gankers could take advantage of the foolish pilots who let a simple trap blow their shields off.

I mean, last time I checked, there were booby-trapped roids in level 4 missions.