I didn't see those profits. T1 ship prices have been steady for a long time.

Haha. Why do you keep lying about the most easily refutable things?

November of last year, the Drake was at 30m.
May of this year, the Drake was at 54m.
Currently, the Drake is at 47m and trending down.

That's what you call steady? A 24m ISK price swing.

And removal of meta 0 loot, drone stuff and banning bots didn't affect prices in any way?

Seriously? Most of the materials came from drone regions.

If you ignore last November, it's still a 7m price drop (aka ~20%).

That's been done in many threads.

You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.

And removal of meta 0 loot, drone stuff and banning bots didn't affect prices in any way?

Seriously? Most of the materials came from drone regions.

Caldari fuel has lost almost half of its value after the barge changes.

I almost posted in yet another NERF HIGHSEC thread.
Oh wait, I did.


There's a whole bunch of ex-Null Vets who have moved to Highsec. Not because it's "safe", but coming from them - "It's far less politics and drama-llama's"

Errr.

This fracking Highsec/Nullsec crap just never ends.
Blah blah blah, move all missions levels 3 and up to low, blah blah, move mining to to low, just veldspar in 0.5, blah blah. remove Concord everywhere, blah blah, force people to jump through low in order to move from one part of Highsec to another, blah blah.

F*** it just never ends.


Thank God I play this game and don't give a **** to these posts, other than to slate them, no matter how well they appear to be rationalised for their content and intent.

Old. Boring and tedious.

Good I moved away from Caldari space a long time ago.

What's your point? You keep arguing random and contradictory things (mostly false). What are you trying to prove?

What's your point? You keep arguing random and contradictory things (mostly false). What are you trying to prove?

I agree with pretty much all of these points. Anchored cans are completely useless now, due to the Mining Barge-buff, and since they're friggin' ugly, they should be legal targets to anyone. It would also solve the problem with people littering stargates and stations with those ugly things (seriously. Occasionally, my computer takes up to 10 seconds to load a system because of the stupid cans, and that's with a very high-speed internet connection). Let players destroy the cans without being CONCORDed.

Someone tossed around the idea of them costing isk to keep them in space. Personally I think they should half the time they sit in space and at the end of that time if the owner does not pay the fee to upkeep it then it turns neutral, the PW is removed and anyone can open it, loot it and pack it up and scoop it.

Easier just to let us smartbomb the useless junk I think than to tie ISK or fuel costs to anchoring them.

Also, allowing us to smartbomb them makes sense based on the role they fill. The containers can be physically shot with other weapons, but not by smartbombs.

It makes no sense at all.

Nothing, its just to derail threads.

Of course, he'll never get banned because he only derails threads sympathetic to EvE as the cold, harsh place it's advertised as.

Where did I say ganking should be removed?

Mining barges are still gankable. Main problem is that most of the gankers refuse to do it because they feel they're entitled to get paid doing it. That and "EVE needs me so I must do it".

Where did I say ganking should be removed?

Mining barges are still gankable. Main problem is that most of the gankers refuse to do it because they feel they're entitled to get paid doing it. That and "EVE needs me so I must do it".

How is this difficult to see?

Are you sure I'm against "more risk to hisec"?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2022364#post2022364

Well when they were getting ganked miners also enjoyed the best profits they have ever seen which is a rather nice thing. It also removed a great deal of bots which is also great for everyone.

But risk for miners doesnt have to be only from pvp.

Revamp the difficulty of rats in high-sec belts. Seeing frigates in .5 and then battleships in .4 and lower is just silly. Have progressively harder rats the further down in high sec you go. Battleships & BCs in .5, BCs in .6, cruisers and BCs in .7, and so on. Good lootz, good salvage.

That might also make the anti-mining losers happier, too... but naw, that means they'll probably have to start fighting things that shoot back, easy as they are.

I'm touched.

In a topic hoping to come up with solid ideas to add risk to and ruin a profession many of the participants in here shun or wouldn't be caught dead doing anyway... always demanding that hi-sec mining profits get nerfed in accordance with its lack of risk... we have gems who care about the profit of said profession.

/sarcasm.

And all the bots was actually grand... more minerals on the supply side of the market, lower prices... cheaper ships, cheaper pew pew... so again.... I'm not seeing the bright side of changing that....

I'm touched.

In a topic hoping to come up with solid ideas to add risk to and ruin a profession many of the participants in here shun or wouldn't be caught dead doing anyway... always demanding that hi-sec mining profits get nerfed in accordance with its lack of risk... we have gems who care about the profit of said profession.

/sarcasm.

And all the bots was actually grand... more minerals on the supply side of the market, lower prices... cheaper ships, cheaper pew pew... so again.... I'm not seeing the bright side of changing that....

I espeically like that that's the only issue you wish to clarify, if we're being honest. +1.

Man, there's some serious strawman up in here.

Okay, highsec, lowsec, and nullsec are all connected. Removing all risk from miners/industrials is stupid - they affect you, you should be able to affect them.

However, making it so there is no CONCORD or other form of protection for carebears is not the only other option besides risk-free. There ARE happy mediums.


There are ways to influence them. Frankly, I think it's well-balanced now.

Though I would buff low-null-wh production.

I'm not sure it would be conducive to your cause to continue along this line of reasoning.

You don't want miners to be directly associated with actually supporting botting, do you? Besides, you must realize the havoc bots wreak on the economy.

Value = Demand / Supply. As supply goes up, value goes down. Bots relentlessly contribute to supply in a way designed specifically to mininimize demand.

Give that some thought, please.

So you dedicate half your post to atacking me most likely because I am an "evil ganker" and then say you love miners earning less. My irony gland is tingling.