A timer tells you very little about the situation, just as it doesn't tell the tale when mustering to defend a POS coming out of reinforced.

While it is true that you will know which plex (or plexes) are being attacked, you will not know crucial information such as "Are the enemy ships all on the button, or are most of them at range from the beacon?" "Are they all in this system, or are there more of them next door?"

It's those little, important details that can get you killed.

More importantly, it makes it more likely that an attempt will be made to stop the count down with force, which is rather the whole point.

For the purposes of that formula the systems are capped at 100% vulnerable. the "133% vulnerable" thing is just behind the scenes and affects how many plexes it takes to being a system back down from vulnerable until we get the cap in place.

It really looks like deplexing is only valuable in highly contested systems, which will reward PvP in these systems... Systems will no longer remain 100% vulnerable for extended periods of time, as there is little benefit to the attackers to leave it that way!

I can understand that in theory, one side earning more isk would lead to a dominant power group that cannot be defeated, but there's simply too much practical evidence to the contrary that has accumulated over the past few months....

I agree that 133% would be too high for the cap once it is released. We just chose that as a quick reduction for this release that balanced the desire for one side to try to take systems while the other side attempts to dplex in order to defend them. It gives both sides of each warzone a chance to respond to vulnerable systems.

How to make people who got ****** hard by CCP motivated to shoot about 80 structures in 24h without reward?

The only people getting hit hard by CCP are LP farmers and frankly I don't think they add anything to the game other then messing up the market.

So basically it wouldn't bother me if they left. Of course they wont as the vast majority are just alts of regular players who will go back top making "normal" incomes.

Any word on this?

A cap on Victory Points in Factional Warfare systems has been implemented. At this time the cap is 100 VPs past whatever threshold is needed to make a system vulnerable.

It's an idea that we've considered closely but shelved for now, with the option of revisiting it. At this time we're planning on making the scaling affect all LP gains consistently.

It's an idea that we've considered closely but shelved for now, with the option of revisiting it. At this time we're planning on making the scaling affect all LP gains consistently.

Does this mean that in an identical fight the pilot who is a member of a faction with a higher tier will actually get more LP for the kill?

Does this mean that in an identical fight the pilot who is a member of a faction with a higher tier will actually get more LP for the kill?

100 VP is what, a medium plex? So one is looking at a minimum of 15 minutes if plexes are to be used to deny a bunker bust . 15 minutes just happens to be the average time it takes to drop a bunker with todays tier3 BC swarms and/or 1-2 dread drops

Yes, replacing the old system where they would get the same LP but the higher tier player would get more value for that LP.

But the old system was one with a delayed promise. i.e. you made LP's just as fast as the other guy and maybe someday they would be worth something and that would be a bonus.

But now the system becomes direct, and every action you take where you would get LP you get incentivised to do that action for the winning side.

There is obviously some self-balancing in the market where for instance minmatar LP is worth less then amarr LP trough supply and demand. But that's a secondary effect. On the face of it any player who looks into FW will see that they get more LP from joining the winning side then for joining the losing side.

Even for people who are just interested in PvP, the system is essentially telling them to join the winning side.

Timer tell to your plexing alt that there is enough time to enter plex and ***** half of lp, and when timer is moved to landing point you can do it without any risk especially when no one can tackle you on plex gate before entering it.

Excellent way to make one reason more to not plex at all with anything else than 1day griefing alts.

I agree with Yuri Intaki on the fact that it does give too precise intel to the defender. With the beacons spawning and d-scan, it is easy enough to spot enemy plexers and there is no reason for the timer to be broadcasted accross system.

Intel should cost something.

D-scanning the plexes costs putting yourself at d-scan range of the plexer.

Checking the timer costs putting yourself on grid with the plexer.

This is not especially difficult or time-consuming. Removing those costs would just be an unfair advantage for the defenders (or pirates, or grievers, or ninjas).

Lots of stuff

You just forgot the thing that there is no reason to shoot bunkers anymore because you removed rewarding phase.

How to make people who got ****** hard by CCP motivated to shoot about 80 structures in 24h without reward?

Before the patch the Amarr were at roughly 2%.

Today they are at 19.5%.

Apparently the motivation in there.

If you are worried about being within the enemies D-scan range, why would you not D-scan with a cloaked vessel?

Also, after the buttons are moved you really won't be able to send a scout in to check the timer as he'll be in the enemy fleets lap.

Ahhh, so you aren't really concerned with PVP at all. Your only concern is that you might have to share the LP you farm

I think that is just something the farmers are going to have to work out on their own, just like they do now.

amarr / minmatar area has only 70 systems when gallente/caladri has 101 systems so shooting 20 systems affects lot of more in amarr/minmatar than in gallente/caldari

Yeah sorry, but prevention of LP theft is secondary to providing maximum pew potential. I'd much rather CCP address that issue by investigating a split-rewards Incursion-style system like Pinky Feldman suggested in his Mittani.com article*, so that not only is LP theft reduced but small gang work isn't penalized, either.

*Meaning that maybe up to 5 people could run a plex and receive equal reward, than it would taper off and split up as the fleet size grew. I'm not necessarily suggesting that LP be only doled out after the whole system is taken.

So that's a reason to just give the intel away?

So that's a reason to just give the intel away?