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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
80
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:23:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:"We will be implementing a cap on the number of missions one character can have open at once. This cap will affect all Security, Distribution and Mining missions, not just FW missions. The exceptions to the limit will be Storyline, Cosmos and Epic Arc missions. The current plan is for the cap to be 5 simultaneous missions."
Say what? How does this fix anything. The most efficient way to run FW missions is to take your warp core optimized interceptor to every single agent and pick up a mission. Then you go run them all at once which increases efficiency because I think the missions were originally balanced with the expectation that the player would make 12 jumps or more per mission. If you run them all at once, then the travel time from agent to mission is reduced since you only have to make the initial trip to the enemy warzone once. Limiting the number of open missions directly nerfs the maximum LP/hour a hard core FW mission farmer can make. It doesn't, however, nerf the amount of LP/hour a more casual mission runner can achieve.
And that's exactly how I was doing it. Would pickup 18-22 missions and run them all at once. It made it worthwhile. I don't see what the big deal with farming is. I understand doing it in stealth bombers sucks coz that provides no opportunities so they should fix it so it can't be done with SBs. I really didn't think anyone would bother doing such dangerous missions for such little reward. Oh well, it is what it is. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2614
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:23:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Ty Delaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Farmers will move to defensive plexing.
They're only going to get paid worth a damn for d-plexing when doing so in heavily-contested systems, which means (thanks to needing to kill the rats) they'll be plexing in systems with lots of armed enemies right there. I wish them luck. you really think that some one will still attack plex? If they want to make ISK by raising their Tier level they have little choice but to take systems (and subsequently defend them). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
540
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:They're only going to get paid worth a damn for d-plexing when doing so in heavily-contested systems, which means (thanks to needing to kill the rats) they'll be plexing in systems with lots of armed enemies right there. I wish them luck. Yep, solo ninja plexing is pretty much going the way of the Dodo. You'll have to go in with a group and fight to keep the plex. I don't really view that as a bad thing.[/quote] (afk imicus with three T1 drones in minors) Farmers are gonna farm, though not as much starting tomorrow. |
Mike deVoid
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
20
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:24:00 -
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I didn't manage to get these answered in the last FW thread so here goes:
1) will the faction navy still try to kill you in highsec if you have low faction standing? 2) How about after you leave FW? 3) If the answers to the above are both yes, then is there a plan to allow us to recover faction standing more than once? Data centres/epic arc can only be done the once. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
471
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:26:00 -
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I still don't like the idea of plexes showing up on the overview for everyone, especially if there's going to be a clock next to it showing it counting down (btw, don't recall seeing that suggested in any of the FW threads).
If you're in the militia, your onboard scanner should be able to find the plex; if you're not in militia, you need to scan them down. If you're in the militia, your onboard scanner should be able to find the FW mission beacons; if you're not in the militia, you need to scan them down. Plexes in a system should be part of the FW window if you're in the militia. Double click the system, and it shows you the loaded plexes, and their countdown timers if running. If you're in the system, you can warp to from the window.
The plexes and missions should be for militia based pvp, and pirates should have to work for their targets, not be spoonfed them by an overview.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
540
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:27:00 -
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Mike deVoid wrote:I didn't manage to get these answered in the last FW thread so here goes:
1) will the faction navy still try to kill you in highsec if you have low faction standing? 2) How about after you leave FW? 3) If the answers to the above are both yes, then is there a plan to allow us to recover faction standing more than once? Data centres/epic arc can only be done the once. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403699
Epic arc, cosmos missions. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
577
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:28:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Good patch, thank god enough warning was given to the players to make strategic decisions before such a big change.
Oh wai-
Still at least it will stop the carebears from cashing out one last time
Oh wait.
Yes its a good update and anything that nerfs farmers is good, but ninja patching isn't cool, mkay?
Ninja patching would have involved no warning whatsoever. |
Mike deVoid
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
20
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:29:00 -
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Also:
4) when are you doing something to reduce the need to click 200,000 times in the LP store? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
540
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:30:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:I still don't like the idea of plexes showing up on the overview for everyone, especially if there's going to be a clock next to it showing it counting down (btw, don't recall seeing that suggested in any of the FW threads).
Pirates camping plexes is a great source of pvp. |
Ty Delaney
Gambit Roulette
22
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:30:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:But now that you have done this CCP what are you going to do about Isk inflation.. Lp stores work as a decent isk sink.. With the current rate of inflation in eve don't you think you need to do something radical to fight it? (I say increase HS tax to 10% and nerf all HS isk paying activities by 25% )
Yes, with the two major ISK sources currently FW LP stores and Tech moons, clearly the solution is to nerf high-sec income. |
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Ty Delaney
Gambit Roulette
22
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way. OMFG?!? Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward? Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure.
Jesus man, breathe.
He was talking about removing the difference between defensive and offensive plexes, not size limitations. Learn to context. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2614
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:31:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:I still don't like the idea of plexes showing up on the overview for everyone, especially if there's going to be a clock next to it showing it counting down (btw, don't recall seeing that suggested in any of the FW threads).
If you're in the militia, your onboard scanner should be able to find the plex; if you're not in militia, you need to scan them down. If you're in the militia, your onboard scanner should be able to find the FW mission beacons; if you're not in the militia, you need to scan them down. Plexes in a system should be part of the FW window if you're in the militia. Double click the system, and it shows you the loaded plexes, and their countdown timers if running. If you're in the system, you can warp to from the window.
The plexes and missions should be for militia based pvp, and pirates should have to work for their targets, not be spoonfed them by an overview.
I have the feeling the pirates will soon be able to join a pirate faction... and they will be part of the FW struggle... so it likely doesn't matter much in the long run. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2614
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:34:00 -
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Ty Delaney wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way. OMFG?!? Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward? Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure. Jesus man, breathe. He was talking about removing the difference between defensive and offensive plexes, not size limitations. Learn to context. Indeed.
Personally I think it would be highly amusing for NPC's of the opposite faction to show up regardless of whether you are offensive or defensive plexing. It would get REALLY interesting when NPC's from both sides begin to spawn while a battle between players is taking place in the PLEX, especially if the NPC's would include the rival NPC's as viable targets.
Now that would be fun. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jaime Gomes
God's Equasion
1
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:39:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs Caldari FW mission running alt spotted. Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways).
Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed.
Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening. |
Karbox Delacroix
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
61
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:40:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way. OMFG?!? Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward? Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure. Do you just blindly agree with every dumb scandal DHD tries to convince you is worth bleating about? All I said was that you shouldn't be able to defensive plex without killing anything. There should be stuff to shoot either way. If not people, than NPC's. Effortless D-plexing for LP is just as bad as effortless O-plexing for LP. I've always defended ship restrictions, my public record is easily accessible. Go read the minutes again, there's no need for the "puppetmasta" bullshit.
You will have to excuse Poetic. He is busy in his basement, crafting a woman suit. |
Ty Delaney
Gambit Roulette
23
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:41:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Ty Delaney wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Farmers will move to defensive plexing.
They're only going to get paid worth a damn for d-plexing when doing so in heavily-contested systems, which means (thanks to needing to kill the rats) they'll be plexing in systems with lots of armed enemies right there. I wish them luck. you really think that some one will still attack plex?
Dude.
Your d-plex payout will be based on current contestation of that system. Contestation means offensive plexing.
If everyone just d-plexes, no one gets paid, at all. How is this hard to understand? |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
471
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:41:00 -
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Jaime Gomes wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs Caldari FW mission running alt spotted. Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways). Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed. Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening.
It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.
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Bado Sten
Republican Guard
2
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:43:00 -
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Awesome, 23th October is the new christmas! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2616
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:44:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs Caldari FW mission running alt spotted. Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways). Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed. Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening. It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice.
If Amarr can flip most of the systems in a night, I don't see why the Caldari can't. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ty Delaney
Gambit Roulette
23
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs Caldari FW mission running alt spotted. Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways). Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed. Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening. It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice. If Amarr can flip most of the systems in a night, I don't see why the Caldari can't.
If any Amarr need help flipping your vulnerable systems tonight, let me know -- I'll ferry in ammo or something. |
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Jaime Gomes
God's Equasion
1
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:50:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs Caldari FW mission running alt spotted. Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways). Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed. Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening. It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice. Edit: appears minnie isn't having any troubles flipping the few amarr ones either.
I am bashing the bunkers. Now we could have the double numbers with a proper heads up. Not even going to adress the amarr militia cause is dead as a thai hooker strangled to death. Minies always controlled the show with deals and alt corps. |
ScarredEye
Swift Wing Red Villore Accords
8
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:51:00 -
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Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.
I think earlier changes to FW were good(I was involved in them, and I am now a part of them). And I think these changes are wonderful.
That is because this patch will effectively nerf the afk alt LP farming, and make plexing more of a combat instance. It will also redefine what people use for plexing.
What is more, it turns defensive plexing from completely lacking rewards to rewarding within reason, to contain LP farming on that side, while still making it "more worth the effort" for those who are actually trying to decontest a system.
A part of the great number of pve characters joining the caldari militia which characterize a very large part of it for it's incompetence in pvp, join for the reason that missioning and plexing is so easy and rewarding. With these changes, it is possible the scales will be tending to a better balance, even though missioning will remain easier on the caldari side.
faction warfare is not about farming. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
265
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:58:00 -
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ScarredEye wrote:Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.
I think earlier changes to FW were good(I was involved in them, and I am now a part of them). And I think these changes are wonderful.
That is because this patch will effectively nerf the afk alt LP farming, and make plexing more of a combat instance. It will also redefine what people use for plexing.
What is more, it turns defensive plexing from completely lacking rewards to rewarding within reason, to contain LP farming on that side, while still making it "more worth the effort" for those who are actually trying to decontest a system.
A part of the great number of pve characters joining the caldari militia which characterize a very large part of it for it's incompetence in pvp, join for the reason that missioning and plexing is so easy and rewarding. With these changes, it is possible the scales will be tending to a better balance, even though missioning will remain easier on the caldari side.
faction warfare is not about farming.
tell me one reason why Damar would rage? |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
39
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:03:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:ScarredEye wrote:Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.
blah blah stuff about plexing
faction warfare is not about farming. tell me one reason why Damar would rage?
you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
612
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:13:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote:btw i forgott. Good to see csm supporting this. ffs Caldari FW mission running alt spotted. Perhaps the 75k LP/day run by the Caldari was a bit too overwhelming for the devs to look the other way. Still, that 75k LP will go a long way after the patch, and you guys don't even have to spend a week busting bunkers - (not that the farming alts did any of that sort of thing anyways). Obvious troll always obvious. Check you dead km's and see me on your dead bed. Besides try to flip systems under 24h without people even knowing whats happening. It appears caldari is starting to bunker bash right now, so it seems it is possible to get people together on short notice. If Amarr can flip most of the systems in a night, I don't see why the Caldari can't.
Because there's 1/2 as many systems in Amarr/Min FW as there are in Gal/Cal.
And because the Minnies have instantly gone on the offensive and the Amarr currently now hold 3 Amarr and 1 Min system.
Meanwhile the Caldari have pulled back 3-4 systems, in a desperate bid to get as much as possible before the Gal US fleets turn up. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
538
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:18:00 -
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Speaking as someone that RPs now and again...
It's just dots on a map.
The big questions are whether this new system will bring about more balanced rewards for a major "career path" in EVE, and whether it will encourage the kind of accessible PvP that FW represents. The jury's still out on that. CCP's Inferno design produced a lot of unintended behavior, and only the coming weeks will show whether or not this iteration is an improvement. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2616
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:21:00 -
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Quote:Because there's 1/2 as many systems in Amarr/Min FW as there are in Gal/Cal.
And because the Minnies have instantly gone on the offensive and the Amarr currently now hold 3 Amarr and 1 Min system, there's not much chance of them flipping anything.
Meanwhile the Caldari have pulled back 3-4 systems, in a desperate bid to get as much as possible before the Gal US fleets turn up. The last time a cash out occurred we were in the exact same situation, holding about 4 or 5 systems total. We have been in this postion, holding about this many systems since that time.
How we'll see if this catching the movers and shakers of the Amarr off guard. They might not be able to organize fast enough.
Should be interesting either way. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1955
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:23:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Yesterday I was thinking of investing in PLEX. For some reason I decided not to, and just bought what I needed to support my accounts.
Lucky me.
PLEX will still increase in price, as they have done since they were first introduced. Game time did not jump from 90M ISK to 600M ISK just because of FW plex spinners.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
265
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:24:00 -
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marketjacker wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:ScarredEye wrote:Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it.
blah blah stuff about plexing
faction warfare is not about farming. tell me one reason why Damar would rage? you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar.
I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1375
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Posted - 2012.10.22 21:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Indeed. Personally I think it would be highly amusing for NPC's of the opposite faction to show up regardless of whether you are offensive or defensive plexing. It would get REALLY interesting when NPC's from both sides begin to spawn while a battle between players is taking place in the PLEX, especially if the NPC's would include the rival NPC's as viable targets. Now that would be fun.
I like it.
You could potentially plex defensively in a logi, rep the friendly NPCs and not take any faction hits for killing the enemy :)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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