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Jaime Gomes God's Equasion 1	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:30:00 - [181] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: marketjacker wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: ScarredEye wrote: Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it. blah blah stuff about plexing faction warfare is not about farming. tell me one reason why Damar would rage? you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar. I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. True story bra. the 24 hours is a joke. only favours the ones with the advantage. Besides the most aproppriate situation would be to reset all systems. But then again they didnt reset them the last time they upgraded inferno.
Susan Black KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance 57	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:31:00 - [182] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: IMHO, there should be only one type of plex period, with NPC's spawning either way. OMFG?!? Are you seriously championing Susan Black's idea that plexes should have NO ship restrictions whatsoever? Do you just blindly agree with every dumb idea she puts forward? Who got elected to the CSM? You or her? You don't seem to do much independent thinking, that's for sure. wow...lol Hans is talking about offensive/defensive plexes not plex sizes. The original 'one plex size' was an idea I toyed with in response to the fact that I was seeing less and less varied pvp as people gravitated toward 'brute forcing' plexes with the 'best' possible ship type that would fit. However, I believe that the ship balancing that CCP Fozzie is doing will greatly eliminate this, so it's somewhat of a non issue at the moment --at least until we see how things play out in Retribution. The defensive/offensive idea Hans is talking about is making it so that you have to shoot rats in defensive plexes as well. I think this is in response to some concern about the ability to farm defensive plexes without the risk of NPC interference. Hopefully, in being able to wail on these features early, we will be able to monitor things such as defensive plexing, and any other concerns, and be able to provide useful feedback to CCP about them before Retribution...so that adjustments can be made if necessary. www.gamerchick.net Follow me on Twitter! @gamerchick42
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1375	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:35:00 - [183] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant 265	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:45:00 - [184] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage. guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today
Ashterothi Aideron Robotics 42	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:49:00 - [185] - Quote Actually considering gal currently holds the systems, but almost all of them are in vulnerable, it could be a very interesting couple of days. I look forward to it.
Deacon Abox Genstar Inc Villore Accords 9	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:50:00 - [186] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: War Kitten wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage. guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today Yeah man, I feel so favored. I been totally raking in the lp with my easier major plexes. That's why there are so many more gallente farmers than calda . . uh . . ergl . . maybe you can spare me some of your psychiatric medication. What do you say bud?
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1375	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:51:00 - [187] - Quote Jaime Gomes wrote: True story bra. the 24 hours is a joke. only favours the ones with the advantage. Besides the most aproppriate situation would be to reset all systems. But then again they didnt reset them the last time they upgraded inferno. Yeah, kick over everyone's FW sand castles and start with a new beach. Might as well reset LP wallets too, since there was so much extra LP generated and exchanged for isk. But those mods, ships and implants got bought by people outside the FW too, so you better reset everyone's wallets. Hell, everyone used the implants too, so you better reset everyone's skills. Ah what the heck... erase the Database and start over. Yeah, that's a good way to go about things. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1942	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:52:00 - [188] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: I'll be watching this thread very closely. Thanks to everyone who has helped us get to this point and we're committed to continuing forward. Good choice, should have nerfed the mechanic some weeks ago imo. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1375	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:52:00 - [189] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: War Kitten wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage. guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today LOL - I haven't done FW since Caldari was the dominant one that everyone was sure that CCP favored. Better put that tinfoil hat back on. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Gunship Forced Penetration 1	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:57:00 - [190] - Quote mini are busy tonight, we tried but at 10:1 we only had a few fights.
Ashterothi Aideron Robotics 42	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:57:00 - [191] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: marketjacker wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: ScarredEye wrote: Damar gonna rage. We gonna thank him for it. blah blah stuff about plexing faction warfare is not about farming. tell me one reason why Damar would rage? you are one of the few people that's deranged enough to understand him, take a look at your own raging posts in here, lacking logic and reason. Then imagine Damar. I am not really raging anything just saying that less than day is not fair for all militias, but as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. CCP favors gal? That's why they left hybrids broken for so long, blow up an Gal Titan in every video they can get away with, messing with drones capabilities, and made them all look like giant turds right? Oh right, they are bringing the Tengu and Drake to be in line with the rest of the galaxy, they must hate you so much.
Jaime Gomes God's Equasion 1	Posted - 2012.10.22 21:58:00 - [192] - Quote Ashterothi wrote: Actually considering gal currently holds the systems, but almost all of them are in vulnerable, it could be a very interesting couple of days. I look forward to it. Indeed. interesting. If gallente have the lp they can go tier 5 right now. If caldari dont push the next 12 hours (the ones that actually care) the entire militia will fall. Htey just have to break trough gallente militia and the tons of mercs and pirate, many of them under the payroll of the gals, in black rise. No biggie. Interesting indeed to see whats what. Someone needs to tell ccp the year has a 11th month. Seems someone ripped the page out.
Poetic Stanziel Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1399	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:01:00 - [193] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Personally I believe the largest payouts possible should be for killing rival faction pilots, not territory games, but I know that is difficult to keep free of alt exploitation. Not really. LP reward from killing an enemy pilot is based upon the worth of their ship when destroyed. So, unless someone wants to use an alt to start blowing up their main's 200M ISK ships, the LP gain for this sort of exploitation is going to be reasonably low (not too mention slow.) Of course, the LP gained has to have an estimated ISK worth well below what the blowed-up ship is worth. Say what? Ranger1 says he wishes the largest payouts came from killing other faction's pilots, but that it would be hard to reward that heavily without it being exploited. You disagree (with something), and point out exactly why ship destruction isn't the highest reward: because of the exploit-proof implementation. What was your point? The rewards for killing enemies are exceptionally small, at the moment. They could be increased without there being a danger of exploitation. Caldari Militia
Poetic Stanziel Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1399	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:02:00 - [194] - Quote Jaime Gomes wrote: Good to see csm supporting this. They support everything CCP does. (In this case, the support is appropriate.) They are nothing, if not excellent cheerleaders. Caldari Militia
Ashterothi Aideron Robotics 42	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:09:00 - [195] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Jaime Gomes wrote: Good to see csm supporting this. They support everything CCP does. (In this case, the support is appropriate.) They are nothing, if not excellent cheerleaders. Wait... isn't it possible that they are behind it, because they have been helping with the design?
Poetic Stanziel Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1399	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:10:00 - [196] - Quote Susan Black wrote: The defensive/offensive idea Hans is talking about is making it so that you have to shoot rats in defensive plexes as well. I think this is in response to some concern about the ability to farm defensive plexes without the risk of NPC interference. If someone wants to farm defensive plexes, more power to them. The payout is pretty **, per Fozzie's equaltion. LP Gain = Base value of plex * (Contested percentage of the system/100) * 0.75** They payout strictly from the T2 base (modified downwards by contested percentage) ... there is no warzone control scaling. So the ISK/hour potential is very low. Thus, there is no real problem here. Caldari Militia
Weitkunat Moira. Villore Accords 0	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:10:00 - [197] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Jaime Gomes wrote: Good to see csm supporting this. They support everything CCP does. (In this case, the support is appropriate.) They are nothing, if not excellent cheerleaders. That is categorically untrue. This is going to be awesome, especially after the proposed NPC changes. Faction warfare should be about (gasp!) warfare, not farming the system to hell and back for ISK. Well done, CCP, and well done Team Game of Drones. Keep it up.
Garr Earthbender Justified Chaos 61	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:11:00 - [198] - Quote OK, so here's a question I have. It's based out of a lack of knowledge in the 1st place. Is there a currently a cap on how over-contested a system can be? And if there is no cap, will there be a cap in this new system? Currently it's an effort in futility to try and decontest a vulnerable system. I think. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine.
Poetic Stanziel Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1399	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:13:00 - [199] - Quote Garr Earthbender wrote: OK, so here's a question I have. It's based out of a lack of knowledge in the 1st place. Is there a currently a cap on how over-contested a system can be? And if there is no cap, will there be a cap in this new system? Currently it's an effort in futility to try and decontest a vulnerable system. I think. No cap currently. You can farm and farm and farm and the contested state increases forever beyond 100%. And yes, there will be a cap in the new system. Not sure if that happens tomorrow or Dec 4. Caldari Militia
Poetic Stanziel Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1399	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:15:00 - [200] - Quote Weitkunat wrote: This is going to be awesome, especially after the proposed NPC changes. Faction warfare should be about (gasp!) warfare, not farming the system to hell and back for ISK. Did I say otherwise? Caldari Militia
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 56	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:15:00 - [201] - Quote Nice changes CCP. Looking forward to it. Looks like I need to change my forum sig. You've finally done what so many have been asking for. Fix this **** See Sea Pea.
Weitkunat Moira. Villore Accords 0	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:18:00 - [202] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Weitkunat wrote: This is going to be awesome, especially after the proposed NPC changes. Faction warfare should be about (gasp!) warfare, not farming the system to hell and back for ISK. Did I say otherwise? Defensive much? I said your opinion of the CSM is wrong, then I went on to praise the patch.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 540	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:19:00 - [203] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: War Kitten wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: I am not really raging anything just saying ... as we know already CCP favors always gallente/minmatar block. You're right, conspiracy theories aren't always full of rage. But if they go un-medicated, they will develop into rage. guess who is trying to make tier 5 lp dump today Not me. GL fellas, see you on the other side of the fence.
Khoul Ay'd Khoul's Space Dogs 15	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:19:00 - [204] - Quote DexterShark wrote: What happens if there's no real tears and everyone just shrugs and agrees this change is for the best? What then? Can we get some folks to come in and roleplay some tears? Hire some ice miners, I hear the folks at www.minerbumping.com have been training them just for this occasion.
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 471	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:19:00 - [205] - Quote There is a stunning lack of tinfoil in this thread, so i just want it to be known that the reason the duality mass test was cancelled today was so that the devs could farm plex all day instead.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3212	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:19:00 - [206] - Quote Garr Earthbender wrote: OK, so here's a question I have. It's based out of a lack of knowledge in the 1st place. Is there a currently a cap on how over-contested a system can be? And if there is no cap, will there be a cap in this new system? Currently it's an effort in futility to try and decontest a vulnerable system. I think. This patch will stop payouts when vulnerable, when Retribution comes it will also end "overplexing" and remove the ability to create a big buffer that the defender has to chew through. Since there isn't any more market spiking and your WZC is dependent on owning systems, there's really no advantage to overplexing after this patch. The best thing a militia can do is take and hold the system, there's no advantage to letting the enemy have it. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Garr Earthbender Justified Chaos 61	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:20:00 - [207] - Quote Edit thanks Hans. Bust the bunker or risk the enemy deplexing. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine.
Theaty Chelien NEWB ALERT Rookie Empire 0	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:22:00 - [208] - Quote Worst suprise ever
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 540	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:23:00 - [209] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: *LP Gain = Base value of plex (Contested percentage of the system/100) * 0.75** if this is true then potentially each minor plex is worth 7.5k LP * 2-4k isk/lp = 15-30 million isk/plex. 5-6 plexes/hour = 75 to 180 million isk/hour. Not bad for a 1 day old alt. Try doing that with your high sec mining alt. There won't be 23/7 farming like there is now, but there will still be plenty of "farming of opportunity" or "low intensity, high reward" farming. Farmers are gonna farm.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3213	Posted - 2012.10.22 22:27:00 - [210] - Quote X Gallentius wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: *LP Gain = Base value of plex (Contested percentage of the system/100) * 0.75** if this is true then potentially each minor plex is worth 7.5k LP * 2-4k isk/lp = 15-30 million isk/plex. 5-6 plexes/hour = 75 to 180 million isk/hour. Not bad for a 1 day old alt. Try doing that with your high sec mining alt. There won't be 23/7 farming like there is now, but there will still be plenty of "farming of opportunity" or "low intensity, high reward" farming. Farmers are gonna farm. The point is, effortless work for reward is bad however you slice it. Doesn't matter if you're taking space or earning LP, I don't believe AFK work has a place in FW, period. There should be risk in every activity, including defensive plexing. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.

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