So now here's the difficult question: What are lasers supposed to be a trade off of? Projectiles have multiple ups and downs, as do railguns. But lasers seem to be fairly well rounded, except for the cap issue. I think the cap issue was implemented that since the Amarr are good with everything, but not best at anything, there should be some glaring downside to such a versatile weapon. Well here we are: should there be a downside besides cap to lasers?

I find strange how people still fail to realize that 7 tachyons on an APOC is more damage at range than any other battleship :P

Not saying the apoc does not deserve the PG to fit 8 tachyosn (EXACLTY.. that woudl means without MWD, so it would match same performance the tempest and maelstrom have with fittings)

No, I did my tests with the NOmen on the test server that has the proposed changes to it (ie, that "lack" of hull boosts for cap).

I find strange how people still fail to realize that 7 tachyons on an APOC is more damage at range than any other battleship :P

Not saying the apoc does not deserve the PG to fit 8 tachyosn (EXACLTY.. that woudl means without MWD, so it would match same performance the tempest and maelstrom have with fittings)

We'll assume you mean the T1 BS's. I'd like to see your math after the latest missile changes or even for a 1400 Maelstrom. We have to take care of all these roaming bands of 7 turret Apoc's this second! Oh wait there aren't any? Hmm...

A few days for changes that don't require localization. Obviously the earlier the better though.

He also got a response from Fozzie, not Rise. We don't know if Rise is under different constraints than Fozzie is in terms of time, ship balancing, etc.

Attack battleships

I may post this in every thread.

Anybody feel these are a little lacking in their role.

The Mega may be an exception due to itGÇÖs opportunity for massive close range DPS but generally these feel like they should be on the move and yet seem to have cap problems doing so, this is not so much a problem for combat battleships that may end up in scram range or as fleet platforms where mobility is just one factor.

Attack frigates have a role bonus over combat frigates, this helps them maintain tackle and speed by reducing the cap draw of propulsion disruption modules. At battleship level such a bonus would make very little difference but at battleship level, no ship can run a Microwarpdrive for any significant period of time.

How would people feel about a cap reduction role bonus for propulsion modules for all Attack Battleships? Even something as strong as 50% or even 75% to enable these ships to stay on the move (as much as battleships can) without constant cap boosting.

And, honestly, I agree overall... if CCP wants to nerf the concept of 1400 Abaddons being so heavily popular, the resist nerf won't change a thing. We need to drop it from and 8 turret boat down to 6 or 7, and just make the damage bonus pick up the slack. And obviously, this would hugely address the idiotic cap issues it has.

Having 2 8 turret BS's for the race with triple the cap cost just to fire your weapons and absurdly more PG to fit them is a cruel joke

Moreso when other race's Battleships are actively having turrets removed, and their damage bonuses buffed to compensate, specifically for the purpose of alleviating cap use.

No other race have oversized long-range turrets.

No other race have oversized long-range turrets.

No other race have oversized long-range turrets.

And, honestly, I agree overall... if CCP wants to nerf the concept of 1400 Abaddons being so heavily popular, the resist nerf won't change a thing. We need to drop it from and 8 turret boat down to 6 or 7, and just make the damage bonus pick up the slack. And obviously, this would hugely address the idiotic cap issues it has.

I just love this. If they have an issue with 1400s on an Abaddon, why not nerf the gun that is obviously good enough that *any* friggin race has the possibility of legitimately fitting them on their battleships and pwning face with?

Like someone won't just fit 1400s on the next FoTM, once they chop the Abaddon.

They're fitting them for the tank which is why they don't just fit them on Mael's.

Ok, so? The issue remains that only once race's guns are so OP that they can be cross fit to anything and win. Winmatar.

They are fitting them for the absurd alpha potential of artillery. The tank is what is called the cherry on top.

Nerf the sundae, don't nerf the cherry! *

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Oh I agree but our message gets muddled once we bring in "nerf other weapons" into the thread versus simply drawing comparisons to mega-beams and how broken they are.

I just love this. If they have an issue with 1400s on an Abaddon, why not nerf the gun that is obviously good enough that *any* friggin race has the possibility of legitimately fitting them on their battleships and pwning face with?

Like someone won't just fit 1400s on the next FoTM, once they chop the Abaddon.

Also, current Amarr is the only other race that can fit Artillery- only the Abaddon, and new Apoc, have enough powergrid for it. The tempest can fit them, but doesn't have as much Alpha as it only has 6 turret hardpoints.

Would we be willing to suffer a powergrid adjustment to the Abaddon, if it only had 6 hardpoints? I can't see CCP letting the PWG remain the same. Or rather, I can't see a reason to, if they've concluded that 102% over powergrid is "balanced".

I didn't even think about it from the Arty Abaddon angle but YESS, 100% agree!

Switching at least the Abaddon to 6 turrets but keeping same damage is now an even more obvious, low risk solution:

1) Helps out the PG fitting for those that don't like being forced into Scorch to avoid PG mods/rigs
2) Don't have to spend all the mid-slots on cap modules
3) Elegant "solution" to Arty Abaddon fleets which are having huge success
4) Brushes the cobwebs off Large Beams for anything but a Nightmare
5) Having 2 8 turret BS's for the race with triple the cap cost just to fire your weapons and absurdly more PG to fit them is a cruel joke

No other race have oversized long-range turrets.