Because drones can imitate a target painter, web, jammer, dampener, reps, or dps, so ships that specialize in high drone payloads receive one less slot.

Thank GOD you didnt ruin the navy geddon. That's about all.

PS: LOL at the navy apoc changes :P lost cap, cap use AND tank? on a scale of 1-Lots, how mad is RnK right about now?

I guess less mad than any sigtank fan

Just look at the new EHP numbers. You're welcome.

Can you give me a scenario where the CNR post June 5th won't be better than it is now?

Thank GOD you didnt ruin the navy geddon. That's about all.

PS: LOL at the navy apoc changes :P lost cap, cap use AND tank? on a scale of 1-Lots, how mad is RnK right about now?

You can put a nano on it, fit cruise missiles and go hunt machariels!!! 1250m/sec with mwd

Let's take a higher level view of the issue:

There's only one scenario I can think of where the new CNR won't be better than the current CNR. If you're ungrouping your launchers and firing at a large number of large, very low hitpoint targets, then the current CNR is better. Let's see what this means

SCENARIOS WHERE THE CURRENT CNR IS BETTER:
You've decided you want to clear all the wrecks and cans from the grid and you're using a CNR to do it for whatever reason.

SCENARIOS WHERE THE NEW CNR WILL BE BETTER:
Everything else.


So if your current primary use for your Navy Raven is blapping wrecks and cans, well then son I'm sorry for your loss, you're gonna be worse off.

If you use your navy raven for anything else, it's going to be 10-50% better than it is now: you're welcome, no need to say thank you.

It will still be one of, if not the most widely used fleet navy bs post patch.

The new CNR will have exact same dps and damage application as T1 Typhoon.
And in often same effective dps as SNI and T1 Raven.

Ofc +explosion velocity will be useful (in some situations), but I prefer old +RoF bonus on CNR.

You can't call it a CNR buff just because the weapon gets buffed.

Infact, the CNR gets a nerf which isn't even remotely compensated by the buff it gets. .

Just look at the new EHP numbers. You're welcome.

"Caldari Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise Missile explosion radius"

CNR is getting a precision bonus (better).

Explosion velocities are low, so what i said is acurate

Most ships move at speeds that will mitigate damage because explosion velocities are really low in all cases, hence me actually stating that unless your target is sitting dead still it will mitigate some damage.

Take a heavy missile fired from a drake, its explosion velocity is 81, meaning that above 81 m/s, things start mitigating damage.

We're with you on this. The top of the list has a whole bunch of stuff on it, but Maruaders are there somewhere =)

tiericide involves evening out the mineral requirements. navy battleships differ wildly in their LP cost, will this be adjusted as well since no more tiers etc?

You can put a nano on it, fit cruise missiles and go hunt machariels!!! 1250m/sec with mwd

good luck hunting a mach with 1250 m/s

pvp mach is 1700+ m/s or 2500+ overloaded

he'll see you, laught at you while kitting you / applying his dps, while your torp / cruise will not even scratch his paint due to it's speed

and if he wants to be a total ass, he will send you ECM drones so you will just look at your CNR slowly melting

Explosion velocities are low, so what i said is acurate

Most ships move at speeds that will mitigate damage because explosion velocities are really low in all cases, hence me actually stating that unless your target is sitting dead still it will mitigate some damage.

Take a heavy missile fired from a drake, its explosion velocity is 81, meaning that above 81 m/s, things start mitigating damage.

A torpedo is 71, even lower, the current explosion velocity on a cruise missile is 69 (these are base numbers without skills).

So my statement is in effect accurate, in that as soon as most targets begin moving at their base non MWD speeds (Npc's included) they begin to mitigate damage, which is further mitigated by signature.

The bonus from the new CNR will push most explosion velocities above or near the 200 mark with max skills, meaning that even ships at speed will take full damage

May I point you to response #408 of this thread?

math doesn't hold the field test, i fought enought missiles boats with my mach to ensure you that they won't apply full DPS.

eft is a great tool, as are math, but it doesn't make it all.

go on the field, with a mach vs a CNR / SNR and see by yourself

cruise CNR vs mach, i would never bet on the CNR, your face will be melted before you even reached 50% of it's shield.

but feel free to hunt mach with it, after you have lost a couple you might rethink your statement

math doesn't hold the field test, i fought enought missiles boats with my mach to ensure you that they won't apply full DPS.

eft is a great tool, as are math, but it doesn't make it all.

go on the field, with a mach vs a CNR / SNR and see by yourself

cruise CNR vs mach, i would never bet on the CNR, your face will be melted before you even reached 50% of it's shield.

but feel free to hunt mach with it, after you have lost a couple you might rethink your statement

Of course, no promises in terms of order or anything - but the short list includes things like medium rails, hacs, eafs, beams, some other t2 classes like inties/maurders, and some other mods which i don't want to name atm incase they get pushed back awhile. =)