Pile of crap

For god sake.. you think anyone here care for your pitiful alliance? I am a high sec mercenary.. not a pathetic 0.0 drone.


Its nto the best alpha ship. it still ahve less alpha than maelstrom. It is the Highest alpha to HP ratio. But that is somethign that is BARELY useful and only to a fraction of a group that so stupdly rich that they can use fleet ships as throwaway toys.


I am talking about balancing for REAL PLAYERS that can use their brain and not only follow what a FC says thm to do.

Then fit a RoF rig?

8/0.85 = 9.4117647058823529411764705882353 > 9.33 = 7/0.75

Great idea.

Blow 300 calibration on something that will degrade the effectiveness of my BCUs which already provide a similar bonus.

With that extra 100 calibration left over I can .... fit a single t1 rigor or 2x t1 flare rigs. Since your sollution would let me drop my last BCU from my lows since it would be stacking penalized into uselessness I free up an extra slot to be used for? I'd be lowering my applied damage by removing my rigor rigs, and gaining a very marginal amount of dps for no particularly useful tradeoff over the traditional setups.


Basically your idea is crap. Its not an effective way to boost damage output on this ship unless you decide to armor tank it for some reason or have some other radical use for your low slots.

100 cali works for extenders or resist rigs... so you could drop a mid slot and replcae with a tp for lost riggors?

Well, pretty much all I had to say was this, and he beat me to it.

My CNR fits are all pretty tight already, with 6 mids and an empty high. Adding another launcher at ~57 CPU (triple rigors, now that we have a couple built in flares, and because of the explosion radius increase in Odyssey) but with only ~56 more CPU added will be tough, and that's not even going on to the extra mid. I mathed it with a 4x BCU, cruise 2 mission setup, and I'll have most of it fit, but only have 36.5 CPU to fill the last 2 mids.


Still, I can't complain. It'll kill cruisers and up with ease, and still apply good damage to frigates.



The paper DPS goes down, but the applied DPS to anything under battleship, perhaps battlecruiser will go up a fair amount.

Also worth remembering is the cruise missile buff going out in Odyssey, increasing DPS of cruises by ~30%, while increasing the explosion radius by 10%. I think the CNR will come out substantially better after the patch.

Also getting a pretty substantial buff to capacitor, so can't complain there.

I would comment on the others, but I don't typically fly Navy Battleships.

100 cali works for extenders or resist rigs... so you could drop a mid slot and replcae with a tp for lost riggors?

I don't know about you but i'm shooting battleships with my battleship class launchers and the dps is what counts, frigs and cruisers are mostly food for my drones.

I'd say the issue is most mission CNR's will have 4 BCU's already, and at that point there's no reasonable way to increase DPS due to stacking penalties. There's no way to compensate the lost DPS in that sort of scenario.

Personally I'd say it's just not worth it and I'll still use 4 BCU's and 3 Rigors, and my damage will still go up thanks to the cruise buff in Odyssey.

Is there a specific reason why NPC corp members are allowed to post on the forums?

Read only access, and posting rights to the new player area would suffice.

It's actually a lot better than "5 tracking enhancers", because there's no stacking penalty on ship bonuses. You get the +37.5% tracking AND you can still actually fit the tracking enhancers as well.

Basically the Napoc has been turned into a battleship-sized faction Destroyer. As in: it will destroy medium ships that get closer than 100Km.

If people could do maths, Tengu hull prices would have fallen 10% overnight just on the announcement of this change.

Check. Torp-fitting a CNR is an excercise in frustration and faction CPUs.

Can I haves your stuff??

By the way...there is absolutely zero reason to even have a tractor beam on a CNR

Did I miss a change to the Hype? Doesn't that have 8 turret slots? Or are you referring to Navy Issue BS only (since this is about Navy Battleships?) On a side note, you guys should make an alternate of those ships. Who wouldn't jazz them up in real..I mean EVE life?

Usual eve forum stuff. People using tractor beams as balance arguments for navy battleships. Making one sided arguments and then actually believing them.

Did anybody check viability of furies against cruiser size vessels when used by CNR? With the new bonus it might just be viable

Did you know that a tractor beam brings wrecks and cans closer to you? Not fitting a tractor beam in certain missions will mean a 20-30km trek to go manually pick up the can that is your mission objective. In L5 missions, it means that you are skipping out on sweet sweet tag loot. In pirate L4s, it means that you're leaving 50% of the value of the mission on the floor. It really goes on and on and on and on....

What a silly thing for you to say, really.

-Liang

Have you ever heard of a ship called the Noctis? It's perfect for looting and salvaging massive wreckage fields (ie. Carebearing)

This is not a practical thing to do. Here's your options:
- Blitz in a BS, come back in a Noctis. Congratulations on being a complete ******* ******.
- Blitz in a BS, loot salvage in a Noctis on an alt. Better, but still worse than...
- Blitz in 2 BS, looting and salvaging as you go. (I've generally seen ~75% of the total value of the mission this way)

Marauders generally work better for this task, which amusingly gets back to the whole part about the Golem being just straight up better at this in every possible way.

-Liang

The new CNR is simply bad in all possible ways. It's bad at PVE, and it's bad at PVP.

-Liang

I just have to poke at this but seriously, how often is a CNR even used for PVP? I could be wrong, but I certainly don't hear of, or have seen it being widely used for PVP.

No, now you're starting to catch up. The new CNR is simply bad in all possible ways. It's bad at PVE, and it's bad at PVP.

-Liang

I just have to poke at this but seriously, how often is a CNR even used for PVP? I could be wrong, but I certainly don't hear of, or have seen it being widely used for PVP.

I just have to poke at this but seriously, how often is a CNR even used for PVP? I could be wrong, but I certainly don't hear of, or have seen it being widely used for PVP.

Have you ever heard of a ship called the Noctis? It's perfect for looting and salvaging massive wreckage fields (ie. Carebearing)

I've personally seen more CNRs in PVP than Nightmares and Bhaalgorns combined. It wasn't that uncommon before people hopped on the Tengu Craze.

-Liang

No, now you're starting to catch up. The new CNR is simply bad in all possible ways. It's bad at PVE, and it's bad at PVP.

-Liang