Dude.. jsut WTF? CHECK last 1 year changes. No race recived more nerfs or less buff on the classes that were buffed than minmatar. Stop with this pathetic Naomi style CCP LOVES MINAMTAR ONLY.

7 years ago the forusm were, Minmatar are hard mode, if you wnt to play easy eve go caldari sicne CCP only boosts caldari.


THe current flavor of the monht is gallente, and only the late peopel did not realized it yet.

Would you please put the idea to the devs on changing the CNR to 7 turrets again with the ROF bonus, but drop the velocity bonus?
Keeping the Explosion radius bonus of course.

This will put the CNR more equal to the Fleet Phoon w/ its superior dps not only in missile but even drone form as well.

This would be a fair change and with the range cut, this will not put the dps at 200km.

That is really not asking alot considering all the math has the Phoon much better off, not only will it open the utility slot again, that change would make caldari pilots happy.

Caldaris should try to stay outside neut range with their battleships. That is the focus of their race. Gettign close and personal with caldari is same as sayign to minmatar ships to stand still and tank it like a boss (that iis also one of reasons I say maelstorm is NOT a minmatar ship, and shoudl be changed).


DO not blame us if you want to use raven wrong. Caldari battleships are supposed to stay further away and let the tacklign to smaller ships. So the raven does not have as much use for its neuts as the gallente have for example or even the minmatar.

If the raven had no range bonus, then I would agree that the loss of a utility high was somethign important.

The velocity bonus doesnt add that much to torp range like it does cruise.

Really, doesnt look like gallente is the FOTM from my eyes and matar just got a big dread buff, the phoon and fleet phoon are getting make overs and are going to be superior to not only caldari but others as well.

Alpha fleets rule the BS category (maelstrom)

Their real complain is the tempest at the moment.. Hey did I mention they have one of the best T3 cruisers and pretyt much the best ABC? Oh dont forget their HACs are good, along with their cruisers.

When the devs even call them winmatar, then you seriously cant say they are hurting in any way. They have been the gripe of being over powered for the last 2 years.

So dude, just WTF, accept that fact that this is true. Caldari have been crap aside from the Drake which was nerfed and the Tengu which also took a weapons nerf.
They have a broken weapon system that is now seeing love after ohhhhh 5 years? and its just 1.. Torps are not even being changed right now. Capital missile systems? Broke as hell, rockets buffed not too long ago.
Medium rails are garbage which affects them too, and we can go into other caldari ships. Eagle? Cerb?
Let me know when you see someone flying an eagle..

Caldari have been the brunt of jokes in eve for years. This is coming from a gallente pilot.

Edit : 7 years ago, the easy mode of caldari was mainly in pve, which is still the only real place they hold their own to others.

Hurricane . Super nerfed. Rifter the only t1 combat frigate not buffed. Stabber. Got so horrible that is bein g re buffed because became unplayable, Tempest fleet issue is not gettign an uplift is HORRIBLE. Maelstrom.. abaddon can do the same BETTER (same alpha , more EHP). TRacking enhancer nerf. Rupture the cruiser that barely changed (1 slot moved, much less than any other race).

Stop being arrogant and Blind. Gallente are the ones on the upswing now. Peopel trainign projectiles now will be whining in 1 year because gallente ships are overpowered and etc etc . Smart peopel already trained Gallente.

Considering the speed and mass of Caldari ships keeping range is kinda hard, and Caldari ships require 2 pilots against single other ship? Ok... damn us trying to compete with others...

You might want to check the Navy Battlecruiser thread, there's something familiar in there. Although it comes with a price, atleast they even admit how op it is in it's description. Navy Drake however was just turned to giant Navy Caracal to bully the smaller ships while losing to even a regular Drake.

Also atleast check your facts before arguing in here, just without any damage mods you have ~9k alpha with Maelstrom and 3.8k with Abaddon.

Utility slot for nuets for pvp or have you just skipped over reading the last hundred posts..

DUDE? SHUT UP ! 1400MM T2 DO SAME ALPHA IN ABADDON AND MAESLTROM! Same DAMAGE PER VOLLEY! And peopel ahve been using them for YEARS instead of Maelstroms. THis post of yoru just shows how LITTLER you know of PVP

For Phoon: Keep it in its orginal shape 8 4 8. 5/5 turrets/launchers keep new bonuses. Phoon was always about utility. Lets keep its nature on the fleet version.

Raven is the vanilla shield missile ship, Phoon is the new vanilla armor missile ship. They are different by nature.
Same goes with CNR and FPhoon.

Shield tankers will use the shield ships while armor tankers will use armor ships.

Wait till odysee, and you will see plenty of shield-tanked TFI's, obliterating any other missile plattform just because of it's pure damage with missiles, drones and a pair of guns..

in other words: your post is just a piece of crap..

Stop being arrogant and Blind. Gallente are the ones on the upswing now. Peopel trainign projectiles now will be whining in 1 year because gallente ships are overpowered and etc etc . Smart peopel already trained Gallente.

Thats why i and my friends are training galente stuff for few months now.
your right but ppl wil only start to realize in the years to come....

I trained Gallente before it was cool #spacehipster

-Liang

So very disappointed with the navy mega. Give it another mid slot damn it. Another mid slot would be multitudes more useful than a utility high slot.

Because on paper EFT DPS is all that matters right? You didn't even read my post and proposed fphoon change did you?

I have /absolute/ faith in the phoon I intend to roll in having minimal/zero issues getting the damage off paper and into space. And the best bit? It does SO MUCH damage I could lose a shedload and STILL tear it up.

I have /absolute/ faith in the phoon I intend to roll in having minimal/zero issues getting the damage off paper and into space. And the best bit? It does SO MUCH damage I could lose a shedload and STILL tear it up.

...will it be shield tanked? Because that was what this discussion was about. The claim was "Wait till odysee, and you will see plenty of shield tanked TFI's, obliterating any other missile platform"