So, what's up with the Ishtar? Why does it still have such low levels of CPU?

100% damage bonus would be cool. ~50k EHP, over 750 DPS, that would be worth 150m+
Would also make epic snipers...

Brawler HACs:
100% Bonus to all medium (insert racial weapon type)
30% reduction in damage taken from overheating modeules OR

Kiting HACs:
100% Bonus to all medium (insert racial weapon type)
-50% MWD signature penalty.

Opinions?

Surely you're joking

Vaga is a kiter, and a Vaga with artillery would be utterly sh*t

A -50% reduction to MDW on a HAC isnt enough, its still as be as a battleship then

80%?

Then the sig bloom would only be 100%, doubling sig. On a (good) HAC, the sig would be in the low 200s.





...surely you're joking
Gah even I'm doing it now.


With autocannons there is at least a chance of hitting anything closer than 30km.

The bonus is for SCOUT drones so it wouldn't apply to sentries or heavies but thanks for reacting without bothering to read.

Posting to reiterate that I think this would solve, across the board, 90% of HAC issues. It would give them BC sized DPS with utility slots and high-resist, low-hp tanks and cruiser speeds.

A few ships need their speed and agility looked at, I think, but this change might justify the price tag of HACs.

I don't think that last part can be over-emphasized. CCP Rise, I'm looking at you.

How about special ability for hacs to be a forth rig slot and increased calibration? maybe that could give more flexability and utility?

A -50% reduction to MDW on a HAC isnt enough, its still as be as a battleship then

The caldari HACs are still absolutely terrible. The cerberus needs a better capacitor and more cpu, as those have always been its biggest challenges other than the usual slothlike speed of caldari ships. The eagle mainly just got more tank, which was never its problem. It's a blaster boat... it needs speed to catch its target and put damage on it. Currently it is the slowest HAC and if these changes are implemented it will be even slower in comparison.

The two new rigs would almost definitely be used for more tank.

That has more to do with drone poo nerfs than mad peope running missions, that is tinfoil hat territory.

Yeah but don't forget: you'd be able to jump out and if he does, then he's 100km away, and you won't have to worry anymore anyway.

Plus, since it'd be limited to HACs, it'd differentiate the Vaga from the Cynabal that much more.

Unless he got out in hull or something, it's not like he's going to leave. More likely the vaga will jump out, load barrage and start skirmishing at a safer distance until his MJD reloads and then he'll start playing more risky again.

It would differentiate between HACs and their counterparts, as well as opening up new tactics to players

MJD is probably my favorite role bonus idea.

They are "assault" cruisers. They should be tough as hell brawlers that get in your face and break you. Ahacs epitomise this.

A bonus that should be considered is one to the reactive armour hardener, allowing the hac to react to incoming damage quicker than other ships. Its not suiable for shield hacs obviously but hey you can give them a bonus to asbs in some way. Maybe a role bonus that allows armour hacs to react twice as fast as normal with reactive hardener and allows shield hacs to load twice as many boosters in asb?

Allowing them to use the Micro jump drive could work also. Or use target breaker without losing own lock. The "more enemies shooting you the more effective it is" thing totally fits. Really this is a big opportunity for ccp to do something a bit different.

More boring bonuses are the obvious ab speed like assault frigs were going to have back in the good old days. Or an overloading bonus so they can go trully all in (steps on t3s toes too much in my view).

A HAC is not a brawling ship. A cruiser is playing to non of its strengths when it is webbed, scrammed, heavy neuted. It doesn't have the raw EHP / DPS to live in those kind of environments. Cruiser hulls are meant to be fast, have disengage ability, and have a tank that is based around range control. In order to do that cruisers need speed, and some kind of sig tank. Cruisers are kiters at their core. Brawling in a cruiser sized hull places you in line with BC's / Command ships / Battle ships. All of those ships have huge DPS or EHP advantages over HACs for the same cost (or in the case of BC's) a fraction of the cost.


The HAC needs to have a role bonus that will accentuate the advantages of a cruiser hull in regards to the kiting area. HAC's should not have a role bonus that some how tries to make their cruiser EHP / DPS and cap relevant for brawling. Trying to do that will be trying to force a cruiser hull into a role it was never intended to have.

Here are some role examples if HAC's were to be made into kiters / ranged fighters

Projection bonuses: Allow the Vaga to actually do damage with Medium AC's. I want to drill this point home, because post TE nerf 10% falloff bonus is just not enough with these guns anymore. The projection bonues needs to give HAC's the ability to apply good DPS (Read superior to T1 cruisers / Navy) At 35K+++ With Medium 'short ranged' guns. Blasters on the deimos hull would have to be looked at in this regard. But perhaps something can be done with rails + Deimos hull.
Flat speed boost
MWD / AB speed boost
MWD cap use bonus
MWD Signature reduction bonus (would need to be far more than 50%)

The HAC's could easily make their own role for themselves if they are the final word in a kiting platform. Tier 3 BCs once had this position. However post T1 cruiser / navy cruiser buff- Tier 3 BC's are just so slow. They are unable to pull distance and control range against cruisers. Their inability to do so, severely limites their kiting ability in solo / small gang situations. This is where a specialzed ship could shine. A HAC could be a medium gun based, cruiser platform that specializes in speed, and projection. Allow the HAC to be comfortable flying in and around 35/40K From an enemy fleet, because currently the T1 cruisers / Navy cruisers can only do this job so/so.

Agreed. Lets use a Thorax as an example (a Stabber being extreme though relevant for the Vaga). With no implants, no low slot speed mods, no links, and with MWD it will go, MWD 2000ish / OH 2900ish. So have the Deimos go say...2400ish / OH 3300ish. I mean come'on CCP this is hardly pre nano nerf numbers. **** links scrap them. Even though I know that won't happen they are just power creep.