YAYYYY


DEIMOS - Like the Thorax, Deimos now has 4 mids and gives up the extra high. It also goes faster and aligns faster.


Slot layout: 5H(-1), 4M(+1), 6L; 5 turrets, 2 launchers

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1350(+190) / 1750(-290) / 2000(-531)

I would totally love:

Marauder-Hardpoints, cause my HUD would look near identical to a frig's with 3 guns
(like using 3 highslots for weaponry, acting as 6 turrets, boosted by fitting boni to achieve the same damage as before)

100% damage bonus would be cool. ~50k EHP, over 750 DPS, that would be worth 150m+
Would also make epic snipers...

+1. double damage bonus would allow for damage application and easier cap management. /me wants it

And easier to fit.
4 guns putting out the damage of 8 would free up about 100+pg on all the HACs

And easier to fit.
4 guns putting out the damage of 8 would free up about 100+pg on all the HACs

This is an excellent idea and I fully support it. Marauder hardpoints would solve almost every issue I can think of.

I`ve noticed alot of people talking about all the stats..


I really think we should be descussing the functions of these ships. If they will have roles, and what roles bonus they will have.

No point arguing about stats ship by ship if we dont know what role it is even supposed to have. and what its purpose is

They are obviously something from a straight PITA in solosituations with their sigradius/active tank (thx to baseresists), Escortships for even bigger ships (like the shielddeimos is/used to be a support ship for alphanados) or oversized Wolfpacks (see shadoo on arrrrrrrrrrrrmorrrrrrrhacs) - at least that what I believe they do best.

You guys seem to have gotten confused, where is the minmatar missile hac? Surely the sac should be a drone boat now? or no did you backpedal on the whole weapon type thing and are just going to leave them hanging at t1?

I like the idea of 3 guns with a 100% damage role bonus. It would also be nice if all HACs then had 1 (or 2) utility highs, too many of them have been removed lately yes i'm looking at you megathron).

Back on topic , CCP Rise , if find the changes pretty decent , it does not make them OP and they can still be strong with the right people flying them .The more i think about it the more i do not think they need more buffs, the role bonus is pretty strong imo. Just make sure to double check the CPU and powergrid, maybe add a bit to some especially since you dont want to gimp their fit if you fit a mwd , maybe even add a fitting bonus to mwd. GL

Brawler HACs:
100% Bonus to all medium (insert racial weapon type)
30% reduction in damage taken from overheating modeules OR

Kiting HACs:
100% Bonus to all medium (insert racial weapon type)
-50% MWD signature penalty.

Opinions?

Brawler HACs:
100% Bonus to all medium (insert racial weapon type)
30% reduction in damage taken from overheating modeules OR

Kiting HACs:
100% Bonus to all medium (insert racial weapon type)
-50% MWD signature penalty.

Opinions?

problem is tech II are designed to be bad for overheating.

for the brawler versions i would not do one standard role bonus and instead do a race specific bonus. so lets say for the ishtar you get a thermal damage bonus for drones or for the cerb you get a kin damage bonus for missiles.

then for the kitting version i would do a uniform bonus to either agility or speed or a mix of both.

edit: i really hope we get version mark II thursday and not friday because all the conjecture is killing me.

An ishtar with a sign radius of a frigate fitted with MSE's using battleship guns (sentries) DDA's sentry rigs and 40% bonus would not be OP at all, really.

They never stated they were changing the Khanid weapon philosophy. Just that it wasn't translating to the T1 ships.

I like the idea of 3 guns with a 100% damage role bonus. It would also be nice if all HACs then had 1 (or 2) utility highs, too many of them have been removed lately yes i'm looking at you megathron).

With a double damage bonus, I think 4 guns would be better served, plus a utility slot, since that way they can compete with BCs without having to have bigger tanks.

HACs should have 4 guns. and the bonus for brawlers should only effect Close range medium weapons and the the Bonus for Kitting should only effect long range medium weapons

Vaga is a kiter, and a Vaga with artillery would be utterly sh*t

Then do this instead, it would make alot of the ships fitt perfectly

Combat: (These ships will be made from close range brawling and will have higher EHP or resist, however they will be slow and have less utility)
Role Bonus: 60-100% to damage of its races close range medium weapon
the bonus will start a 60% when having Hacs trainned to Lvl I and will been at 100% when trainned to V

this will work alot like how the bonus for cpu for cloaks worked on recons or bonuses for logis.)
main reason for only close range weapons is to avoid them be OP and make more alpha fleets.

Assault: (Ships of this class would also have higher utility and are made for kitting and more support roles)
Role bonus: -60% to -100% Reduction in MWD Sig Radius
(reason for this is becuase even with a -50% bonus its sig will still be huge.)
the bonus will also start at -60% and work its way to -100 when having trainned HACs to lvl V