Thanks to the rail buff the eagle is going from 'sucks' to 'meh.' What really works against it is that a beam zealot is better at doing damage until about 100k off and that is too small an amount of time spent moving for most fleets to give up on a higher base damage.

However, the eagle has secured the role of general use sniper in high and low because it can actually hit things that are smaller than battleships and that are orbiting at less than 30km.

Thanks to the rail buff the eagle is going from 'sucks' to 'meh.' What really works against it is that a beam zealot is better at doing damage until about 100k off and that is too small an amount of time spent moving for most fleets to give up on a higher base damage.

However, the eagle has secured the role of general use sniper in high and low because it can actually hit things that are smaller than battleships and that are orbiting at less than 30km.

My favorit part was when he said you cant count BS newts because BSs always beat hacs so your dead either way, when its commen knowledge that Hacs are one of the best counters to BSs because they can so easily get under their guns with low sig high tank. Of course hacs being anti BS kinda grew out of style because T1 cruiser gangs and AF gangs do it for way cheeper.

L2p, hac fleets are a counter, not a single hac. In a fleet you don't active tank, solo you do, solo a bs will almost always beat a hac.

Why do you think the Deimos tank is "op"? What is the threshold for "op tank"?

*snip*

Lastly, becuase it annoys me, @ CCP how can you listen to people who complain that the mwd bonus only was good for kiting ship and fits that use their mwd a lot, those people clearly have no idea what they are taking about.

I.e.

Its a bonus that reduces the amount of cap a ship loses when it fits a mwd (if you do not know that fitting a mwd reduces the cap on a ship by a flat amount and that t2 reduces less cap then meta you should not comment on any ship balancing issues ever), it was so potent that a deimos with a mwd fitted had more cap then without.

I have no real threshod, but if a cruiser ship can reach 1 k tank before links or implants something is wrong.

Wolf dude, you're comparison are so one sided it's honestly hard not to laugh most of the time.

For example, comparing a dual xl asb eagle to the deimos w/o even mentioning cap usage/susceptibility...

If a dual asb egale gets neuted its dead, its weapons need cap, no difference there.


And try to fit a dual xlasb eagle.

I havnt said its a good bonus, it howver is usefull on a couple of fits, not just active tanked one (and yes, there is a difference between mwd and reps, mwd fits are much more commong, abs are exrteme niche).

I just am saying its tank potential is overpowered, which is bad.

ISHTAR

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Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
7.5% bonus to (ALL) Drone speed and tracking(was 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage)
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level
7.5% bonus to (ALL) Drone optimal range and tracking speed(was bonus to drone bay capacity)

Slot layout: 5H (-0), 5M, 5L; 4 turrets(+1), 0 launchers
Fittings: 780 PWG(+80), 340 CPU(+55)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400 (-6) / 1600 (-18) / 2300 (+191)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 1400 (+275) / 265s (-70s) / 5.28/s (+1.9)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 195(+4) / .52 / 11100000 / 8.43s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375(+250)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 80km(+20km) / 294 / 7
Sensor strength: 23 Magnetometric (+7)
Signature radius: 145

I have to admit that having flown the dule rep fleet stabber and being able to take on almost any other ship 1v1 that The deimos with better rep, better damage, better resists dose sound a bit powerful, but I still think that people will easily come up with counters, such as amarr, mimatar, or galent recons, AFs and more. I just dont think that having a ship thats really good at solo pvp is a bad thing, I think others such as the Cerb and the Sac will do great aswell. I think overall we need to wait for it to hit the test server and maybe Tranquility then nerf the rep amount if needed. I think your going to see allot more skirmish Deimos than duel rep ones in the end, just because small gang skirmish is way more popular than solo hunting.

And yes under extremly heavy neuting the deimos is clearly superior

You can counter everything tho, not really a argument tbh. In hac defences the deimos tank seems op, its offensive power is euqal or greater then the damage of its peers.

Stop posting

Stop posting

Start thinking? A ship that does 0 dps is more useless then a ship that tanks a bit less then half of what it can on paper.

I have no real threshod, but if a cruiser ship can reach 1 k tank before links or implants something is wrong.

Reading the first version of this post I was like "Ishtar! Ishtar!". This version is almost perfect, HACs will have a clear place in the game again.

There is just one last tweak you need to make:

Vagabond +1 Mid (-1 High or -1 Low).

This final tweak would give it a role seperate from the Cynabal.

Having a shield boost bonus and only 4 mids is silly and will need to be changed at some point. Why not just do it with this patch and save yourselves having to spend time fixing it later? (I am really helping you out here!)