Marauders already tank sufficiently - particularly since the local repair buffs. They don't need any more OPness in PVP - 1500dps from a blaster kronos is fine. What they could use is a way to operate in hostile space while having a good probability of returning in one piece

Like for instance, instead of "zdat" bastion mode: Bubble immune (but not scram or focused point)

Nothing cloak or whatever the heck transformer-stinky-stuff-leave-that-for-Dust514, just the MJD bonus and bubble immune. This on top of Sensor buff (DO IT TBH !! What you afraid of? hun??) would help them go somewhere do some stuff and eventually get back, eventually means they wouldn't find anyone capable to set a group of players together to counter them and knowing how this ship works.
Yep a bit like Black Ops, so many tears about it when those are so easy to counter.

My biggest thing is that this is the most advanced boat in eve in terms of training time needed for a sub cap. And you guys are trying to harmonize them all with the same stick, regardless of the unique weapon system and racial plays they have.
What I purpose is ...
... STUFF

For the vargur, the bastion mode will not root it in place, reduce sig radius and give a fall off bonus to projectiles. Coupled with a nice base speed boost, this should emphasize the use of a mobile AC boat for PvE. It would need longer tractor range to 50 KM.
It would be a speedy boat that zips around, while having some nice projection power, and staying alive by reducing incoming damage with a low sig, and thus likely to either pulse MWD or to use an AB for the speed boost. This thing wonGÇÖt be cap stable with all mods on, but should be able to dps tank + sig tank.

For the Paladin, the bastion mode will REDUCE its maximum speed, but you would get a large buff to resistance (say +30% armor with the nice T2 resists) with no penalty to RR, and a large bonus to optimal. It would become the brick that can go in and survive while staying in and projecting its power out. It would need longer tractor range to 60 KM.
This is to make it the de facto up close and personal tanking and gunning boat, to emphasize the way the empire handles threats. It should be able to easily run 3x large armor rep with a cap booster, or a single one and still be cap stable with guns and no cap booster.

52 Pages now... I'm hungry for something, anything.

People have just been posting some version of the same 3-4 ideas for the past 40 pages.

You know what would really be awesome?
Take what you're trying to do with webs (which is a terrible idea because of the limited range of webs on what's supposed to be a longer-ranged platform) and instead give the Marauders a bonus to target painter strength.
Target painting will give a similar damage application bonus to webs and it'll also work at a much wider variety of ranges.

im training up my torpedo skills for golem as i feel like the bastion modules will favor torpedos with bonus range and mjd.

My biggest thing is that this is the most advanced boat in eve in terms of training time needed for a sub cap. And you guys are trying to harmonize them all with the same stick, regardless of the unique weapon system and racial plays they have.
What I purpose is to have the goal of the marauders to be GÇ£Showing the best the race has to offer, and to shore up any weakness in that methodGÇ¥

Yup, basically you want the marauder to be able to get through/past a gate without getting blown up every time,

Bastion could do this if it's effect was to allow the MJD to work even when there was a scram on it.

In this case I would suggest that the MJD cooldown is not reduced by the marauder.

This means the marauder would have 1 get-out-of-jail-free card per gate or per mission site. A determined gang could still kill it by re-acquiring a lock with a fast ship before the the marauder warped off (you just need to watch where it's headed and get a point ship out in that direction). They would then have 3 minutes to kill it. or energy neutralise it to the point where it could not MJD again.

In this case the sensor strength should not be increased - it's a pve ship, now with niche pvp application (it can attack until jammed, and then escape - once).

That would make a gank attempt interesting and rewarding for both attackers and defender I think.

The 60-second cycle time for Bastion is a bit too long... cut it to 15 seconds at the most to at least give Marauders a chance in PvP. Or offer different Bastion modules with different cycle times / resource usages.

This man is right. For PvE, painters would be preferable.

You need a way to kill frigs. 5 lights isn't going to cut it in higher end PvE. Hell 10 or even 15 might not cut it in 10/10 plexes with 30+ of them or C3/C4 container sites and their swarms of super elite frigs.

Ya know, I had an idea once that might just be crazy enough to work.

When in bastion mode you unlock 3 turret/launcher hard points specifically for small weapons.
Bastion would give a damage and tracking bonus to those small weapons.

Some people might think this is OP, but look at it closely.

Small ships die at short range, large ships die at med/long range.
How do you take one down?

Easy, get small ships out at long range orbiting out of traversal, get big ships under it tanking the small guns and out traversing the large guns.

This would change things up a bit and the big ships would have to play tackle.
This would also mean that there major weakness would be heavy brawlers, with good agility.

You need a way to kill frigs. 5 lights isn't going to cut it in higher end PvE. Hell 10 or even 15 might not cut it in 10/10 plexes with 30+ of them or C3/C4 container sites and their swarms of super elite frigs.

You need a way to kill frigs. 5 lights isn't going to cut it in higher end PvE. Hell 10 or even 15 might not cut it in 10/10 plexes with 30+ of them or C3/C4 container sites and their swarms of super elite frigs.

WoW Sensor strength 12


***edit 11-14

***looks at Vengeance's sensor str (14)

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.