You have a bit less damage and less mobility, but better damage application, more tank, EW immunity, less ammunition consumption, more range on tractor beams, MJD reduction bonus. Apple and oranges. Again, point of Tech2 in the new scheme isn't to make them all better than other hulls

This is EVE Online, where people actually think Tengus are super awesome for sleeper sites, and that Lokis and Legions make any kind of sense in sleeper sites. On a more serious note, marauders take what, 3-4 times(?) longer to train to an optimal level than T3s.

That said, I've seen marauders 5-6 times in w-space for PVE purposes. I'm also considering moving back to wormholes just so I can bait bads with a Kronos.

look I will glady sacrifice half tracking if needed for 25% more DPS, I can live with that.


you still don't get it, so what if It can run a C88 wormhole by itself, tell me how much was your isk per click efficiency?
that is the hard number marauder pilots care about for PVE, anything else is just things we do not care about.

So while there are still concerns for PvP, I don't think you realize how efficient those things are for PvE. We feel like Dr. Frankenstein looking at a slab with a half-decaying corpses coming back to life. We've created monsters. Mission / PvE efficiency is not all about pure damage. It's also about mobility, projection and time you spend shooting. MJD + MWD helps with the first, Bastion plus new Kronos / Paladin bonuses give the second and EW immunity grants you the last.

As such we are definitely not going to give any kind of damage bonus in Bastion mode - if we ever did, it would be by severely penalizing turret tracking / missile explosion velocity when in Bastion mode, which would severally limit their use in PvE.
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Hope this wall of text helps a bit (PvE side, as I said, we aren't talking about PvP in this post).


Also, here is a preview of the transformation mode on the Kronos.

you still don't get it, so what if It can run a C88 wormhole by itself, tell me how much was your isk per click efficiency?
that is the hard number marauder pilots care about for PVE, anything else is just things we do not care about.

Do it!!! I will look out for you - we shall have awesome fights. A merry time shall be had by all.

\o/

Are you familiar with "dread blapping"?

if isk/click was your main concern, you would be running passive tanked FoF rattlesnakes or domis.

yes I do, we used to do that In a WH corp I was at before.

Lokis would hold the sleepers for the revelations and moros to disintegrate said sleepers.




I m... and doesn't it strikes you as weird, that a simple super cheap T1 drone battleship, makes more isk per click AFK than an active combat T2 super expensive battleship?

quote and quote of the quote etc etc ...............


I know the solution: don't buff the tech2 ship, nerf the tech1 ship, so everything is inline! ...

And BTW, using cap boosters is NOT how people fly a PvE ship.

I guess it means that bonus doesn't have a stacking penalty when used with a damage control.

Are you familiar with "dread blapping"?

So the Bastion module gives 30% resists to shields, armor and hull? So if used with a damage controller (60% resists on hull), if it is not stacking penalized, you would have 90% omni hull resists? They seemed to add hull HP to most of them as well. I am thinking there could be some very interesting hull tanking fits for these new marauders. 1 high slot Bastion module, and 1 low slot damage controller, you got 90% resists, throw on a reinforced bulk heads or two, and some hull reps in the mids, that would leave you a lot of slots for damage/targeting mods. To bad it doesn't get a hull repairer bonus, or did I just miss it?

Bah Gallente ships should have more drones then other factions it there bread and butter.

Yes, this can be used in high-sec of course. You just get a weapon timer (requires security to be turned off though).

Do not underestimate the use of the bastion module, even for missions. The innate tank allows removal of tanking modules on fittings and the projection bonus helps a lot as well. I remember reaching 55-60km falloff on a Null Neutron Blaster Kronos on our internal test server

Only one bastion module may be fitted, but the resistance given don't stack, just like Damage Control. You can still fit one -with- a damage control though.

Exactly. This is also why a Machariel kills things faster than a Malestrom even when their dps numbers are similar or a Navy Raven kills faster than the other missile battleships despite having "the same dps".

This is a very major disconnect between what happens in game and what people say on the forums. it's a major reason why people's predictions about how ships will perform tend to be wrong. DPS isn't just only a guideline it's usually a MISLEADING indicator.

Marauder for pvp lol

The tank on all marauders is bad ....we don't need a new mode ..just increase the tank ...I fly a golem and I know you have to find the line between tank and dps .

But should I have to find the line ..Its a t2 bs for god sake make the awesome ....not a transformer .

Marauder for pvp lol

The tank on all marauders is bad ....we don't need a new mode ..just increase the tank ...I fly a golem and I know you have to find the line between tank and dps .

But should I have to find the line ..Its a t2 bs for god sake make the awesome ....not a transformer .

So for those of us who aren't planning on using bastion mode:

Will non-bastion mode be balanced on its own right against the other ships? Or will non-bastion mode be purposely unbalanced (nerfed) because of the possibility of fitting bastion ?