You realize that the mobile tractor has a 27,000m3 cargo hold. When using it in an area that would actually benefit from it your measly 600m3 isn't going to cut it to begin with. Then with that the noctis gets a 60% Range/Velocity per level. Giving it 300% R/V at level 5. Going 3x the amount the marauder can do. So wizzing through in a 150m fitted BS and either going back in a noctis or duel-boxing an alt is more effecient then doing it with a marauder. Because the range of 40 means the marauder is either Close-range/Close-ammo setup to do it as it goes or it has to move into range to do pull everything in. Where as the tractor/noctis get 120 and can pull everything in almost any mission/site/anomaly in landing so it can slowboat to the next accel gate if there is one there while it does everything.

Personally when I did PVE I would go in, nuke everything and have it dead by the next gate and then go. Come back in a Noctis or run an alt if I had one there in the mission area with me.

The only benefit the Noctis has now are the 8 slots for salvaging. Simply drop a mobile tractor unit in each level and come back with the Noctis to salvage all the wrecks in a single spot.

But if you drop a tractor structure and fly off, it wont work will it? Dont you have to have a person on grid in order for it to function?

You can solo C5 sites in a T2 fit Vargur with either boosts or a Crystal set (and it seems the Pally can do it too).

I for one welcome our new marauder overlords.

We are so looking forward to finding these solo wormhole maraduers. Oh the tears...

For what? a hull with a cheap T2 fit that I can buy from less than a single afternoon's work? I mean if you catch a cap fleet that will take at least 3 afternoons to replace then maybe but a single marauder? pfft.

kids

I'm divided on the changes. On the one hand I really like that finally a battleship has a tank that is superior to everything else in game subcap. On the other I can tank a Blood Raider 10/10 without hardners and be cap stable. Seems slightly OP. But also its a battleship.

I'd like to see this on normal battleships but without the EW immunity and perhaps half the tankability of the Marauder.

:-) since you can build a dual-rep, triple remote rep, cap stable paladin which (with fleet boosts) tanks 9000dps with plenty of cap to spare, (+100 Gj/s) while being totally immune to ECM, I'd say marauders were totally OP - by a wide margin.

This triage marauder tanks as much as a... *dreadnaught in siege mode* while delivering 700dps, repairing its buddies and shrugging off a 12-man cruiser fleet.

This would be reasonable for a carrier, not a battleship. Bastion is just ridiculous.

As I said before, I'll abuse it while I can, but it needs to be removed from the game.

I wish I could get all dudes rambling that new marauders are nerfed beyond all recognition, put them together in one room with all dudes rambling that new marauders are overpowered like hell, give to each a brick and talk with the one who goes out.

The thing is, marauders made even easier to do PVE, but was already easier. But they are worse at doign isk/h in high sec.


Also the ship may LOOK powerful for PVP on paper, but on real battleground its immobility makes it not very relevant anywhere outside high sec POS bashing. Anywhere else they are just food for naglfar insta popping.

Bastion is not even powerful for most pvp scenarios. The power projection of the ship is very low. It cannot go along your fleet movement during combat so its use is very limited.

You're right in null sec and 0.0
In WH space they are going to be very relevant. The fleets are smaller and (usually) there are no capitals.



Almost all WH combat is in a bubble, at ether a wormhole or a combat anomaly. The fight is very localised. Any ewar coming from the (immune to ewar) marauder is extremely relevant since it cannot be countered in any way other than a full (and lossy) retreat.

I take the point about alpahing a marauder (although the bait golem has about 250,000 ehp before you run the tank...)
However, in WH space people just don't roam around in fleets of 25 artillery tornados like they do in 0.0 - you'd get murdered on a wormhole by a 5-man T3 fleet, and in any case there are just not enough targets available in a short enough time to keep the fleet interested.

WH combat is like u-boat combat - you spend a long time looking for a prize in a small squad.

Using a triage marauder in a C3/4 with a backup fleet nearby will become the bait-du-jour, and obvious bait is obvious.

:-) since you can build a dual-rep, triple remote rep, cap stable paladin which (with fleet boosts) tanks 9000dps with plenty of cap to spare, (+100 Gj/s) while being totally immune to ECM, I'd say marauders were totally OP - by a wide margin.

This triage marauder tanks as much as a... *dreadnaught in siege mode* while delivering 700dps, repairing its buddies and shrugging off a 12-man cruiser fleet.

This would be reasonable for a carrier, not a battleship. Bastion is just ridiculous.

As I said before, I'll abuse it while I can, but it needs to be removed from the game.

yea man those roaming gangs of nags flying around wh space is what you have to look out for.

I don't see why being able to build a battleship, let me say that again - battleship - with an awesome tank, that can't be shut down by a ECM mod and made pointless, while doing ok but not OP dps, nowhere near that of a regular battleship with that sort of tank, is bad.

Why should battles be over in a few seconds, or a minute, that's a small ship mentality, these are battleships. They're supposed to do battle. Marauders are finally in the right spot on the field imo, I only hope that CCP follows up and allows bastion or some version on other battleships so they can be useful as well.

mm.... i was amazed at how much a dual ASB vargur could tank .... maybe the bastion module should be nerfed a bit .... and add a T2 version that requires more skills and is about 80% of the current bastion module... although i found it hard to get the kronos to tank as much it kind of shows the disparency between ASB' and armour reps/AAR

Also i thought the bastion module didn't allow for fleet links to work on it am i wrong??

ASB are very limited time wise. For the typical engagement scenario of a marauder they are not the best choice. So not overpowered.

Bastion module is too extreme on one side and too weak on other. I need less defensive power and more offensive power. Add a 25% tracking and change the falloff bonus to 50% then reduec the repair ammount to somethign like 60-70%

This is factually incorrect.

I't very easy to fit a golem with dual ASB. You alternate the pulses of ASB and time them so that one is depleting while the other is reloading.

This way you achieve 63.75% of the headline tank figure for 1 ASB in EFT or Eve HQ. It's possible to run the ASBs overheated for the entire fight because only one at a time is being used.

While perms-tanking this monstrous dps, the golem is able to push out over 1000dps and field a target painter.

Bastion is a mistake. Allowing dual ASB breaks the game, which is a shame since CCP almost fixed it with the previous 2 patches.

I'll post a fit + stats in the next post

When an ASB had enough charges for a full minute.. yes.. sicne they were nerfed you wil lget a few secodns with no repair between them. That is when you get vulnerable.... not that is a large time. Just pointing the thing is not so invulnearable.

another smartas that uses 2 invus + bastion ( its a stacking penalized invu guys )

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Given the situation where the ship is ganked by 7 players with 800dps each, perfectly applied (a big ask), the ship can overheat the resists for:
continuous shield repair: 5387 x 63.75% = 3434.21 dps
effective dps = 5600 - 3443.21 = 2165.79
time to live = 139870 / 2165.79 = 64.5 seconds = 1min 5s.

Note that this is without fleet boosts, drugs or implants.
With fleet boosts (jump through a WH when the ship gets jumped), drugs and crystals the continuous tank (overheating no resists, only the active shield booster) rises to 6612, out-tanking the hypthetical gank fleet until the boosters run out - which will take:
time to live = 2429821 (ehp) / 5600 (incoming dps) = 433s = 7m 13s
In this time, the golem will have contributed 472,000 ehp of damage to the enemy fleet, so assuming there is a bubble, they will have lost 3 T3 ships to the golem alone.

Of course while the counter-gank is going on, the golem can be salvaging the wrecks of sleepers and the enemy fleet.

Summary:
I think we've just found a job for the golem :-)

Like I said, totally OP, and I will be totally abusing it util they nerf it.