So does that they have or haven't contributed to the community?

Somer Blink: "Hey CCP, we've just been told by our GTC reseller that we have to stop offering a bonus to GTC buyers by November 7."

CCP: "That's right. We know you've been doing it for a long time, but a lot of players are upset, so we need to stop it."

Somer Blink: "Sorry to hear it. Would it be alright if we make the most of the last few days by running a huge sale?"

CCP: "That's a great idea. You, Markee Dragon, and our company will all make money on that idea. Go for it!"

Somer Blink: "Okay then that's what we'll do. We better let Markee Dragon know to stock up on GTC's, because we'll sell a ton of them."

This "oh it's np i talked to CCP on skype" is exactly the kind of **** that let Sirmolle and Dianabolic off the hook with the whole T20 thing.

I understand being against the kind of RMT Somer Blink engages in. I understand being against CCP's arbitrary enforcement of their EULA.

I don't really understand the reaction to the increased bonus. We don't know exactly what the communication was between CCP and Somer Blink. It may have gone something like this:



If Somer can actually sell 300,000 GTC's in a week (which they would have to do to make that estimated $800,000), just imagine the millions CCP will rake in. Do you really think CCP did not approve of the plan?

As for you people claiming Somer never did anything at all, how about having a look outside of General Discussion? Just one example of how he is contributing to the EVE community is this.

That was 2005. Almost a decade later you're still butt hurt?

But this thread is not about if CCP approves of it but if we approve of it.

That's extremely narrow minded. He isn't advertising anything there.

He is contributing by stimulating and encouraging more players to write fiction, by offering a considerably larger prize than we previously had for such contests.

Theyre a sponsor whos only interest is advertising and whos paying for advertising not a community thingie as which they got their community spotlight.

He's contributing and not advertising in the same way as Tag Heuer is running a race and not advertising when they plaster their name across every F1 course and TV transmissionGǪ

Does include Eve Uni, RvB and the latest Eve Fiction competition then?

Does include Eve Uni, RvB and the latest Eve Fiction competition then?

That's extremely narrow minded. He isn't advertising anything there.

He is contributing by stimulating and encouraging more players to write fiction, by offering a considerably larger prize than we previously had for such contests. This might motivate people who previously were not that interested to actually write something as well. You can call it what you want, but contributions and efforts like the one Somer made there, are vital to the community.

Vital? Come off that one, please. EVE would do just fine without SOMERblink.

In fact, if you turned down SOMER prizes you might have more folks like myself included interested in donating.

In fact, what SOMER does is diminish the value of the PLEX and therefore make it harder for such competitions to exist - because a competition that gave away 5-10 PLEX would seem pointless in a world where 100 PLEX give-a-ways are common. Donations of 1-2 PLEX are diminished by his donations and therefore people are less likely to give.

And CCP needs to educate its staff more on the various forms that bribery and influence peddling can take - so that this doesn't happen again.

Vital?

Come off that one, please. EVE would do just fine without SOMERblink. Your fiction contest would run fine with 2, 3, 4, or even 10 plex as a prize. In fact, if you turned down SOMER prizes you might have more folks like myself included interested in donating. You may not get to 100 PLEX, but you'd have a decent prize either way.

In fact, what SOMER does is diminish the value of the PLEX and therefore make it harder for such competitions to exist - because a competition that gave away 5-10 PLEX would seem pointless in a world where 100 PLEX give-a-ways are common. Donations of 1-2 PLEX are diminished by his donations and therefore people are less likely to give.

And SOMER does all of this to get what they are getting now: a defense against violating the EULA. SOMER has bought your approval, even though you are approving of what basically constitutes a breach of the rules of the game. SOMER has bought CCP Guard's approval, CCP Navigator's approval, EVE Vegas' approval and countless others' approval. Not by bribing them outright, but through influence peddling. It is textbook marketing - I can only hope that David Reid and Hilmar and others at CCP who are a little bit more saavy at this stuff see through the "BS".

No one wants to play a game where one entity, an in game entity (especially one using your game for a business), wields that sort of influence over the game creators, who are supposed to be above the fray in that regard. But CCP was bought - not because this makes them isk (I actually do not necessarily believe SOMER's bonus increases their profits much - I think the economics of that are complicated by the demand for game time) but because SOMER has led countless devs to actually believe they are "vital" for their game when they contribute nothing in reality.

No they are not vital, SOMER just does a good job of making people believe they are, devs included, and therefore they have recruited proxys to their defense.

At least his 1 billion isk sell out has revealed to more people the truth about SOMER. CCP asks you to stop something, and your first thought is to milk it for all it is worth. The supporters are right at least in saying it is SOMER's right to do so. And at least their true nature as a BUSINESS entity is revealed. I can only hope that CCP shuts them down, because at this point that is what they deserve.

And CCP needs to educate its staff more on the various forms that bribery and influence peddling can take - so that this doesn't happen again.

Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

Vital?

Come off that one, please. EVE would do just fine without SOMERblink. Your fiction contest would run fine with 2, 3, 4, or even 10 plex as a prize. In fact, if you turned down SOMER prizes you might have more folks like myself included interested in donating. You may not get to 100 PLEX, but you'd have a decent prize either way.

In fact, what SOMER does is diminish the value of the PLEX and therefore make it harder for such competitions to exist - because a competition that gave away 5-10 PLEX would seem pointless in a world where 100 PLEX give-a-ways are common. Donations of 1-2 PLEX are diminished by his donations and therefore people are less likely to give.

And SOMER does all of this to get what they are getting now: a defense against violating the EULA. SOMER has bought your approval, even though you are approving of what basically constitutes a breach of the rules of the game. SOMER has bought CCP Guard's approval, CCP Navigator's approval, EVE Vegas' approval and countless others' approval. Not by bribing them outright, but through influence peddling. It is textbook marketing - I can only hope that David Reid and Hilmar and others at CCP who are a little bit more saavy at this stuff see through the "BS".

No one wants to play a game where one entity, an in game entity (especially one using your game for a business), wields that sort of influence over the game creators, who are supposed to be above the fray in that regard. But CCP was bought - not because this makes them isk (I actually do not necessarily believe SOMER's bonus increases their profits much - I think the economics of that are complicated by the demand for game time) but because SOMER has led countless devs to actually believe they are "vital" for their game when they contribute nothing in reality.

No they are not vital, SOMER just does a good job of making people believe they are, devs included, and therefore they have recruited proxys to their defense.

At least his 1 billion isk sell out has revealed to more people the truth about SOMER. CCP asks you to stop something, and your first thought is to milk it for all it is worth. The supporters are right at least in saying it is SOMER's right to do so. And at least their true nature as a BUSINESS entity is revealed. I can only hope that CCP shuts them down, because at this point that is what they deserve.

And CCP needs to educate its staff more on the various forms that bribery and influence peddling can take - so that this doesn't happen again.

Stop. Saying. That.

lmao,

So in other words no you haven't.

So even a business as ruthless and evil such as Somer has contributed and helped player events where as you haven't

Nice

SOMER was asked to stop after November 7th. They aren't doing anything wrong.

This is a last ditch effort by them to squeeze out more profit.

Welcome to capitalism

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If Somer can actually sell 300,000 GTC's in a week (which they would have to do to make that estimated $800,000), just imagine the millions CCP will rake in.

Wrong attribution.

Somer doesn't sell 300K GTCs in a week ... the right term to use is captured. Put it this way, the demand for GTC is one whole pie ... they stole a significant portion of the pie.
If Somer didn't exists, that portion would otherwise gone to other vendors/CCPdirectly.

Made wonder me if some fools at CCP thought the same way too, thinking Somer sold them a lot GTCs.

That makes no sense... at all. Please elaborate on the point you're trying to make?