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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
227
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:35:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage. You really are a shill, aren't you? What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!
Way to miss the point I was making, my man My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Gavinvin1337
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:36:00 -
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Why is everyone hating on Somer?
I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?
Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:36:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage. You really are a shill, aren't you? What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it! damnit, you beat me to the Andrev / Obamacare reference.
And the SOMER people are getting so shameless that I am surprised they they haven't used it yet. Seriously.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
66
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:38:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****. The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign. This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.
isn't that completely in the spirit of EVE?
the issue is being resolved. the reaction, while not classy, seems kinda rational.
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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:39:00 -
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Gavinvin1337 wrote:Why is everyone hating on Somer?
I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?
Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.
UR RITE. I AM FAT AN UGLIE AN SOMER IS PrITTY AN I HAEV TEH JELLUS.
Yes, it is CCP's fault. No, SOMER is not in the right for continuing to be douchebags. Hence the "hate".
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Frying Doom
3068
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:40:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Way to miss the point I was making, my man You are doing Black Thorne proud, supporting a "Redacted" business that needs to be removed from EvE.
You might want to check on their forum posting policy Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1526
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:40:00 -
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Gavinvin1337 wrote:Why is everyone hating on Somer?
I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?
Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did. Uhhh nobody is talking about their ships. You realise they've been RMTing right? That's what most of these threads are about. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:40:00 -
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Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage. You really are a shill, aren't you? What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it! damnit, you beat me to the Andrev / Obamacare reference. And the SOMER people are getting so shameless that I am surprised they they haven't used it yet. Seriously. well, Andrev is using the starving server admin defence, and as the Obamacare website cost $500mil to make yet only signed up 6 people on the first morning... i suppose if they were using the same devs and host, a $1mil USD operating fee would be feasible |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1526
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:42:00 -
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embrel wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****. The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign. This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately. isn't that completely in the spirit of EVE? the issue is being resolved. the reaction, while not classy, seems kinda rational. The reaction is expected sure, but utterly disgraceful nonetheless. And as I say, the 10 days is to give them time to stop it. We know they could have by now but they chose instead to accelerate it. They want to make as much dollar as they can before they are forced to obey the rules. That's like knowing an exploit is going to be patched next week, so using it as much as possible until then. Bannable. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
153
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:43:00 -
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Gavinvin1337 wrote:Why is everyone hating on Somer?
I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?
Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did. I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules. |
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
227
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Way to miss the point I was making, my man You are doing Black Thorne proud, supporting a "Redacted" business that needs to be removed from EvE. You might want to check on their forum posting policy
I'm not posting on behalf of my corp, you tool. I think that's pretty obvious.
And you do realize that your 'Redacted' business is done by CCP themselves and has been an official part of the game for almost 5 years now?
Anyone who is opposing any form of 'redacted' should be raging at CCP just the same as SOMER. Yet somehow that's not happening. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
547
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:48:00 -
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1B isk bonus?!
OK, I never got involved in the debate before, but 1B isk per card bought is definitely RMT level.
Extremely disrespectful from Somer. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
475
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:50:00 -
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For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex. Not today spaghetti. |
Frying Doom
3070
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:52:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Frying Doom wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Way to miss the point I was making, my man You are doing Black Thorne proud, supporting a "Redacted" business that needs to be removed from EvE. You might want to check on their forum posting policy I'm not posting on behalf of my corp, you tool. I think that's pretty obvious. And you do realize that your 'Redacted' business is done by CCP themselves and has been an official part of the game for almost 5 years now? Anyone who is opposing any form of 'redacted' should be raging at CCP just the same as SOMER. Yet somehow that's not happening. Fair enough, don't say no one told you.
Actually yes I do plex was introduced in November 2008, due to RMT business that was occuring at the time and that was destroying the in game economy, so they gave people a way to legally buy currency for the game to reduce the RMTs effect and it worked quite well, the isk farmers had to sell their isk so much cheaper than they were. The they increased security and banned a lot of RMTers.
Now we have Somer doing the same, just in a more round about manner. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
43
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:53:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that. Well no, RMT was always against the rules. The only question was "is what Somer doing RMT" and the answer is a resounding yes. The fact that they got away with it for so long doesn't mean the rule didn't exist. So yes, they can be punished. Not to mention that as they run it to make money, that means their accounts are being used for business purposes, which is a second rule violation. This latest is them try to grab as much from their RMT before they are completely forced to stop. CCP gave them 10 days as a gesture of goodwill, as not all sites are that easy to get updated swiftly, depending on time allowances. But rather than do what all the other sites did and stop ASAP, they've chosen to purposely run a firesale instead.
This is what makes me sick.
I think because of BLINKS actions, they should be shutdown permanently. Its apparent that they are all for the money and not for our beloved community/game. What can we do to stop this? CCP Please act now, we want BLINK to receive a proper punishment. Jita 4/4, the heart and soul of New Eden. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:56:00 -
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Dudley Schwartz wrote:
This is what makes me sick.
I think because of BLINKS actions, they should be shutdown permanently. Its apparent that they are all for the money and not for our beloved community/game. What can we do to stop this? CCP Please act now, we want BLINK to receive a proper punishment.
seizure of all isk/assets and a round of permanent bans for all associated Somer accounts and a serious look at the way things are being run at CCP are desperately needed if the integrity of the sandbox is to be protected.
we are posting in an 'eve is dying' thread |
Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
50
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:56:00 -
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[quote=Gavinvin1337]Why is everyone hating on Somer?
I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?
Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.[/quote]
Aren't you an idiot? This has nothing to do with jealousy. WE CARE ABOUT OUR GAME! OUR COMMUNITY! Don't you? Maybe you should sit back and have a think about what really has/is happening here. Jita 4/4, the heart and soul of New Eden. |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
161
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:01:00 -
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SOMER should be banned
There corp and alliance and there market alliance should be banned and shut down.
All chars in there alliance have broken one of the worst EULA laws.
And now thay have admitted it by giving you 1 bill per 60 day gtc.
If there not banned perhaps CCP should look at all the chars that have been banned in EvE for somthing less and have there accounts reactivated?.
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
228
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Now we have Somer doing the same, just in a more round about manner.
Hm, you'd think CCP would keep a close eye on stuff like this. Maybe check their website, play a few Blinks? Certainly before writing a spotlight about them and giving them tons of goodies to give away. So yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume CCP had a very clear understanding of the setup Somer uses. I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.
By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science.
You can then rage at CCP for showing favoritism and stuff, but don't blame Somer for something CCP did or didn't. They got the OK from CCP and carried on like normal. If you want to rage at someone, rage at CCP. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Dudley Schwartz
Magic Hamsters xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
50
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:02:00 -
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mechtech wrote:1B isk bonus?!
OK, I never got involved in the debate before, but 1B isk per card bought is definitely RMT level.
Extremely disrespectful from Somer.
I have been sitting on the fence too about this situation, this is the first thread i've posted in a thread regarding this matter.. I'm angry, i feel like we have been made a fool of. What other RMT'er gets a 10 warning to stop what they're doing? The answer is NONE! They get perma banned. As the OP stated, BLINK knew they have 10 days until its all over, so what do they do? They chose to accelerate this to another level, by rinsing every last penny out of our community, making us and CCP look/feel really effin stupid. Jita 4/4, the heart and soul of New Eden. |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
0
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:05:00 -
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I don't see the problem here.
They were doing a legal thing.
CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.
Suddenly, they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).
So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.
Say you bought 10 cars to sell, and then someone tells you you won't be able to sell those cars in 10 days - you would sell them as cheap as you could to get your money back.
Now, given that what they were doing was really close to being illegal, and probably was against the spirit of the rules, this should have been shut down a long time ago with bans instead of being given in-game items for it. But it wasn't, it was allowed, so now we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1534
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:06:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Now we have Somer doing the same, just in a more round about manner.
Hm, you'd think CCP would keep a close eye on stuff like this. Maybe check their website, play a few Blinks? Certainly before writing a spotlight about them and giving them tons of goodies to give away. So yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume CCP had a very clear understanding of the setup Somer uses. I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing. By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science. You can then rage at CCP for showing favoritism and stuff, but don't blame Somer for something CCP did or didn't. They got the OK from CCP and carried on like normal. If you want to rage at someone, rage at CCP. Bull. Someone not being punished for something doesn't mean that they have permission to do it. CCP probably didn't consider it in depth. It was only once they put Somer into the spotlight and people started looking at what they were doing that it came to light. The fact that CCP have issued letters to the GTC resellers yet not changed any rules shows that it was always against the rules. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1534
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:08:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:I don't see the problem here.
They were doing a legal thing.
CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.
Suddenly, they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).
So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.
Say you bought 10 cars to sell, and then someone tells you you won't be able to sell those cars in 10 days - you would sell them as cheap as you could to get your money back.
Now, given that what they were doing was really close to being illegal, and probably was against the spirit of the rules, this should have been shut down a long time ago with bans instead of being given in-game items for it. But it wasn't, it was allowed, so now we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money. The problem is your second line. It was never legal. The other problem is what you have stated "Just like any business". EVE accounts are for personal use, not to be run a s business.
And the 10 days was a goodwill gesture from CCP to give them a fair amount of time to update their site. It was not so they could firesale their isk into huge amounts of profit. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
133
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:08:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:I don't see the problem here.
they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).
So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.
we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money. so you don't see anything wrong with 2 major EULA violations, and in fact feel we have to allow them to continue those violations for another week? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17210
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:10:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.
By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science. It's not rocket science, but it is a special pleading fallacy.
Your refusal to believe something is not a relevant or useful basis for anything. Moreover, even if CCP didn't mind for whatever ill-conceived reason, it still doesn't mean that it didn't break the EULA. In fact, that's one of the main sources of displeasure with the whole thing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:15:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:I don't see the problem here.
They were doing a legal thing.
CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.
No, it was never legal. What happened was, they got exposed.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1541
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:19:00 -
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Those of you considering buying a GTC from them by the way, first consider that there's no guarantee they will actually pay you out, since they are likely going out of business and secondly think about the type of people you are supporting. If you need to buy a GTC, the best thing you can do is pick a community site doing things that are actually good for the community, not trying to generate huge volumes of income, and buy a GTC though their affiliate link. I'm not going to name any as I don't want a debate over who does what for who.
Support EVE, don't support RMT empires. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
347
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:27:00 -
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This is bullshit. CCP is very disappointing. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:28:00 -
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*trips over room to find CC* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:30:00 -
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oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:*trips over room to find CC* that's exactly what they want. for you to give them realbux. they don't give a **** about you, the community, or the game beyond that. they've shown this through their actions in the last day. |
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