Some blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.

Or maybe its time to take advantage

wow.
even if you like somer this is reason enough to boycott them entirely.

somer you lost, the rules are being enforced, and theyve kindly given you a grace period to give you time to change the site. you are abusing that and showing that its all about the money not about the community. sickening.

Or maybe its time to take advantage

Sure. If you are selfish, and you support a group that couldn't give two ***** about this game, then yes, you could take advantage.

Hmm anyone have a link to where CCP said this is wrong and gave them a grace period?

To be honest with the way Eve is going why the hell not

Was it a big FU to CCP, of course it was, but since CCP apparently seem more interested in their side projects then Eve itself these days.. sod it

Hmm anyone have a link to where CCP said this is wrong and gave them a grace period?

Hmm anyone have a link to where CCP said this is wrong and gave them a grace period?

So what did everyone think was going to happen to the isk in Somers accounts.

Anyway it will be interesting to see the effect (if any) of all that isk coming back into the eve economy.

I think people were hoping they would act like a member of the community and stop.

Instead they have acted exactly as you would expect a business to act and try to profit as much as possible before they are stopped.

They could not do much more of a **** you to CCP.

At this point this should be called "Pulling a Poetic".

I'm not looking forward to the wailing and gnashing of teeth from all the people having their RMT ISK deducted from their wallets.

Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

The 10 days is not given so they can make as much as they can. It's given so that they have time to make the technical changes to stop.
They are simply showing they have the ability to stop at any time, but want to push sales.

And I'll stop complaining when Somer are either shut down or they start looking out for the best interests of the community and not lining their pockets.

Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

CCP has set a strict deadline. 10 days and then all incentives and rewards in return for the use of affiliate links are to be gone. That's it. Until then anyone is free to do whatever they like. Taking advantage of the time you have left is not rocket science, any reasonably smart person would do this. See the Amazon mess up, people took massive advantage of that because they knew it could end at any minute.

Oh for the love of god, when will you people stop complaining?

Somer has 300T isk to burn through. 1 trillion is a thousand billions. So, giving out 1b per $1.75 of GTC, profits would be 300,000 x 1.75 = $525,000. thats over half a million USD if Somer can RMT all his isk at that absurdly tempting conversion rate. a lot of people are taking advantage of these ridiculous isk firesale so they stand to make a ridiculous amount of profit. the first $135k (conservative estimate) clearly wasn't enough. and at the same time, Andrev Nox is playing the starving server admin card and blaming the playerbase for their woes.

No. I will not stop complaining.

I don't know who is in charge of public relations at CCP Games, but whoever it is needs to come out right now and disassociate that company from SOMER immediately and publicly. There also needs to be some kind of explanation to the playerbase as WTF has been going on.

Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.

Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?

Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.

Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?

I await the day that an explanation is released by CCP, on this matter.
I really am genuinely frustrated... what can i/we do though? Smashing a structure in Jita is not going to help, nor is cutting our nose off to spike our face (unsubbing).

Let me spell it out for you; some random dude or dudette found a loophole in the game's rules and stands to make over half a million dollars from it. That's genius. That's real money. You people are acting like this is somehow hurting your real life. Are you being fired from your job because of SOMER? Are you forced to embrace SOMER and buy weekly PLEXes to keep your car running? Or did SOMER sell you a ridiculously high mortgage which you are bending over backwards to pay? Is SOMER spying on all your internet activity and phone calls and selling the information to make the money they are earning? Did SOMER break into your house and steal your first borne child?

Nope, SOMER hasn't done any of that. What this is and has been from the start is one big collective "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" because people can't STAND the idea of someone out-smarting them financially. First it was jealousy because they make tons of ISK. Then it was jealousy because they make tons of real money.

Show me one person who's real life was negatively affected by SOMER because they made some money? Are you going to protest the local grocery store because they are making money?

Somer has 300T isk to burn through. 1 trillion is a thousand billions. So, giving out 1b per $1.75 of GTC, profits would be 300,000 x 1.75 = $525,000. thats over half a million USD if Somer can RMT all his isk at that absurdly tempting conversion rate. a lot of people are taking advantage of these ridiculous isk firesale so they stand to make a ridiculous amount of profit. the first $135k (conservative estimate) clearly wasn't enough. and at the same time, Andrev Nox is playing the starving server admin card and blaming the playerbase for their woes. get ready for ads on blink followed by accepting paypal donations. these scumbags truly have no shame.

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This is well over what they would need for a server and only $3600 a year

So how about we don't try the boo hoo about sever cost as they have already made over $135,000 from this community.

In the nosey gamer article it was stated somer gets 8% kick back not 5% so its attually $2.80 a GTC or $840,000 if they can get rid of it all.

So what you are basically saying is that you are fine with a group making real money by exploiting the rules of the game and performing RMT? Good for you.
However luckily for those of us that actually like EVE, RMT is against the rules. Finding a loophole then exploiting it is not a good thing. Furthering that by accelerating the use of that loophole when told to stop is even worse.
I really don't give a **** if you think they are smart for making money, it's against the rules and they should be punished. They are a business running a game account to exploit the real players for cash.

And nobody here except you is saying anything about real life problems, we are stating that it's bad for THE GAME. You know? EVE Online? It's an MMORPG that many of us actually like and would like to see continue fairly?

Moron... Go back to the Somer chatroom and whine there.

Yeah, that's pretty overkill. Their site is hardly complex.
I have development servers put together from scraps that could easily run their site to be honest.

Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

you're the kind of dude who would have testified at Nuremberg that what he did was ok because he was just following orders.

Godwin's law blah blah

Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

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Ah yes, but it wasn't actually against any rules until CCP changed those same rules. If you want to believe the skewed rationalizations posted around the forums then feel free to do so. But the fact is that is that up until a few days ago, what SOMER was doing was perfectly legal within the EULA and the reseller agreement. And you can't punish someone for doing something that is legal. Simple as that.

Yeah because god forbid someone has a good idea and makes more money than the average Joe . Whether or not they need the money for server upkeep, I think SOMER had a good thing going and in a troubled economy like today that's something I like to encourage.

That's an idiotic comparison...

You really are a shill, aren't you?

What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!

You really are a shill, aren't you?

What's the next line you guys are going to spew? Here's a good one! "Andrew and/or Somerset can't get on the Obamacare website so they need this extra income to pay for those awful out-of-pocket healthcare expenses." There you go -- run with it!

damnit, you beat me to the Andrev / Obamacare reference.

Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.

Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

Way to miss the point I was making, my man

Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

And the SOMER people are getting so shameless that I am surprised they they haven't used it yet. Seriously.

isn't that completely in the spirit of EVE?

the issue is being resolved. the reaction, while not classy, seems kinda rational.

Why is everyone hating on Somer?

I don't see what they have done wrong, they were given prizes from CCP and gifted ships from CCP, should they have refused them?

Everything that has gone wrong here is CCP's fault, you guys are just jealous the Somer came up with a good idea before you did.

You are doing Black Thorne proud, supporting a "Redacted" business that needs to be removed from EvE.

You might want to check on their forum posting policy

I'm not posting on behalf of my corp, you tool. I think that's pretty obvious.

And you do realize that your 'Redacted' business is done by CCP themselves and has been an official part of the game for almost 5 years now?

Anyone who is opposing any form of 'redacted' should be raging at CCP just the same as SOMER. Yet somehow that's not happening.

Well no, RMT was always against the rules.
The only question was "is what Somer doing RMT" and the answer is a resounding yes. The fact that they got away with it for so long doesn't mean the rule didn't exist. So yes, they can be punished.

Not to mention that as they run it to make money, that means their accounts are being used for business purposes, which is a second rule violation.

This latest is them try to grab as much from their RMT before they are completely forced to stop. CCP gave them 10 days as a gesture of goodwill, as not all sites are that easy to get updated swiftly, depending on time allowances. But rather than do what all the other sites did and stop ASAP, they've chosen to purposely run a firesale instead.

This is what makes me sick.

I think because of BLINKS actions, they should be shutdown permanently. Its apparent that they are all for the money and not for our beloved community/game.
What can we do to stop this?
CCP Please act now, we want BLINK to receive a proper punishment.

Now we have Somer doing the same, just in a more round about manner.

1B isk bonus?!

OK, I never got involved in the debate before, but 1B isk per card bought is definitely RMT level.

Extremely disrespectful from Somer.

Hm, you'd think CCP would keep a close eye on stuff like this. Maybe check their website, play a few Blinks? Certainly before writing a spotlight about them and giving them tons of goodies to give away. So yeah I think it's pretty safe to assume CCP had a very clear understanding of the setup Somer uses. I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.

By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science.

You can then rage at CCP for showing favoritism and stuff, but don't blame Somer for something CCP did or didn't. They got the OK from CCP and carried on like normal. If you want to rage at someone, rage at CCP.

I don't see the problem here.

They were doing a legal thing.

CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.

Suddenly, they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).

So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.

Say you bought 10 cars to sell, and then someone tells you you won't be able to sell those cars in 10 days - you would sell them as cheap as you could to get your money back.

Now, given that what they were doing was really close to being illegal, and probably was against the spirit of the rules, this should have been shut down a long time ago with bans instead of being given in-game items for it. But it wasn't, it was allowed, so now we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money.

I don't see the problem here.

they have a bunch of worthless stock (ISK).

So they are trying to sell it at cut-rate prices so they recoup their investment. Just like any business.

we have to allow them 10 days to get their business in order again, which may include getting rid of as much ISK as they can to convert to real money.

I refuse to believe that not a single CCP employee ever visited their website and not noticed the credit for GTC thing.

By extension that also means CCP didn't mind and thus approved their setup. And THAT by extension means that Somer's entire thing was legal or at the very least not illegal. It's really not rocket science.

I don't see the problem here.

They were doing a legal thing.

CCP changed the rules and now it's not legal.

*trips over room to find CC*

My favorite part about these threads is finding all the Somer alts and shills and writing their names down for later to hand over to Marmite or some other corp.

The Question is now; what happens next? I can see no other way to deal with this matter, other than a permanent ban for BLINK and its associates. What other punishment is there?

What do you think CCP should do to solve this matter?

A true pillar of the community right there. I'm glad the wonderful people of Somer Blink who so selflessly contribute are getting the recognition and Ishukone Watch Scorpions they deserve.

/s

They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say

They got what they want and i made out like a bandit too..

Like you didnt jump on the amazon mistake? lmao ... strike while iron is hot i always say

Would you also loot shops when there's a riot going on? No security, window's already broken... Strike while the iron is hot an all that...

Or an old lady falls asleep on the bus, and a few notes are lying half out of her purse. Take them right? The iron is hot!

Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

For all we know CCP is working side by side with SOMER on this 1 billion credits per plex.

Would you also loot shops when there's a riot going on? No security, window's already broken... Strike while the iron is hot an all that...

Or an old lady falls asleep on the bus, and a few notes are lying half out of her purse. Take them right? The iron is hot!

Being able to do something and profit doesn't automatically make it the right thing to do.

Did you just quote morals, on eve? something ive been getting **** for for like 2 weeks?

he'd prolly watch the door and pop excuses while his buddy raped a passed out teen. that's what he's metaphorically doing with his shilling for Somer.

When was the last time you heard of an ISK seller being given 10 days to stop?

Coupled with the complete silence on CCP's side - it's pretty obvious.

Somer's said before that he talks to CCP before doing this sort of thing / checked with them before doing the 1b thing.

Yet they won't talk to us....

Way over the line buddy

Way over the line buddy

Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.

Somer has actually tweeted that he/she has been talking to CCP on skype.

True, but there's no need to take it into real life. The iron is also "hot" when you spot a Condor flying about with 30 PLEX in his cargo hold, or when someone puts an extra digit on a contract or market order.

It all depends on your perspective and which situational ethics you apply. Don't go quite too heavy on the ethical judgment there.

If it already was illegal, then why wasn't it stopped? Why did the rules have to change?

I'm just too new to care about Somer Blink at all. Only hear about it in articles I've been reading to get to know EVE better. Turns out there are a bunch of morons playing EVE who really want to gamble... well, just undock your ships and you're gambling already.

Who didn't know what Somer Blink was doing that they were 'exposed'? Other affiliates were also doing similar things. They had to change the policy to make it illegal. When you change a policy, you don't get to go back and ban someone for breaking that policy in the past, and you give time to allow people to match the new policy. If you don't, you're a bad business partner.

Whether it should have been legal or not is a different answer, of course. Of course it should have been against the rules and CCP should have been enforcing it that way, but they chose to interpret their policy as allowing it, which is their right to do.

There's a different between what you do in game, where the rules are designed for you to be able to fight, and steal from each other. A pickpocket ability in a game is not morally wrong, as the game is designed to have that. RMT is against the rules, so supporting RMT is wrong, even if you profit from it.

Outrage! Favoritism! This should not be possible! It's all one big conspiracy I tell you!

The didn't change the policy though, they simply put the onus on the GTC resellers to enforce the rules which were not being enforced.

They changed their interpretation of it, which is effectively the same thing.

Outrage! Favoritism! This should not be possible! It's all one big conspiracy I tell you!

I'd agree to it if it wasn't an idea breaking the rules. Unlike SOMER some of us actually follow the rules.

Sometimes the symbolic value of an act is all that really matters.

If you don't remember Dianabolic's posts in the context of this thread then you will of course not realize the significance of bragging about having CCP employees on your IM.

Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.

Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.

Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.

Aaaaaaand the T20 link is made.

Way to cover your bases CCP.

you make me sick CCP.

Damn, really wanted to read that devblog but like so many others (the $1000 pants one) it got "missing".
What was it again "the winners will write the past"?

Most of us could care less.

Somer's Practice has always been against the EULA.

Yet, here we have Somer proclaim they already know the ruling. Meanwhile, the only communication from CCP has been to GTC Re-sellers, and not a word to the community. Somer multiplies the deal (potential money for CCP were Somer to fully cash out would be in excess of $5m USD) to squeeze out every last drop.

We, the players are left incredulous, staring slack-jawed at the screen with one of those slight head-tilts that implies one's belief this may all be a bad dream.

WAKE THE **** UP CCP!!!!

You, and ppl like you, make me sick. For all the HTFU and WOW is that way crap that gets spewed on this forum, never have I seen such a collection of entitled, self-important whiners. For the vast majority of Eve players, this SomerBLINK nonsense has exactly ZERO impact on their game.

Please, CCP, don't mistake the forum pussies for the Eve player base. Most of us could care less.

CCP look foolish having vouched for them.

Somer blink have reacted to being told to cease their RMT activity by offering even more credit per purchase. This is beyond taking the ****.
The 10 days was to give them time to take down their operation, not to have 10 days to push a bigger marketing campaign.
This is clearly Somer acting in defiance against the ruling that has been made and a clear indicator that they should be shut down immediately.

https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.

https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.

Honestly, a lot of us would happily RMT our stuff if it was legal. So CCP had a decision to make. enforce the rule against this form of RMT or allow us all to do it. They chose to enforce their rules. So that's that.

By the way, are you a Somer shill or a butthurt Somer user?

You, and ppl like you, make me sick. For all the HTFU and WOW is that way crap that gets spewed on this forum, never have I seen such a collection of entitled, self-important whiners. For the vast majority of Eve players, this SomerBLINK nonsense has exactly ZERO impact on their game.


Please, CCP, don't mistake the forum pussies for the Eve player base. Most of us could care less.

Sometimes tweets are made to disappear, like stoolies who talked too much. Just in case, I took down the testimony.

http://i.imgur.com/qoGGwEE.png

Seriously? Because they Skyped with someone from CCP? Surely you're joking?

Are you going to wildly vomit when I tell you that the organisers of EVE Vegas probably also had direct contact with some of the devs? Or... OH NO! The Mittani! For his role on the CSM and because he was asked as a speaker on EVE Vegas...

Christ the feeling of entitlement is so big around this place it's blocking out the sun at this point. If you do special things in EVE (good or bad in your own opinion) you get special treatment. Bloggers get FREE (yes free, as in no money involved, SHOCKING!) media accounts. Are you going to vomit over that as well because not everyone has that privilege?

All in all it's very similar to this thing you might know, called life. Life is not fair and neither is EVE, both in and outside of the game. Don't like it? Do something about it.

P.S. Whining on a forum does not constitute 'doing something'.

Read the EULA, Genius. It isn't your stuff. It never was your stuff.

As for SomerBLINK, however screwed up the arrangement became, in the end, I believe CCP saw SomerBLINK GTC sales as another way to get and keep players in the game, another way to promote Eve Online. Was it haphazard and ill-thought out? yea, a lot of it was. And in the end, CCP changed their policy. End of story.

But my god, users of this forum want this to be fricken' Watergate. Give me a break.

As for being a Somer shill, I've never played SB, I've never bought GTC or anything else from them, and I generally consider gambling as a way to part fools from their money (or ISK, as the case may be.) I could care less if they vanished into thin air. I'm just bloody tired of the bitching and moaning, the tin-foil hattery, the absurd accusations and ideations of conspiracy and back-room deals.

Could CCP have handles this better? yea, probably. Could the community have reacted with a little more maturity and a little less self-entitlement? Judging by this and nearly ever other issue facing Eve players, probably not. That such a thing is true doesn't make it any less pathetic.

Really? They just lost one account over it -- one who told them exactly why in the cancellation form, too. I cancelled my other account just now. This one will be cancelled shortly. I've been thinking about doing it and sitting on the fence but I've made my mind up.

And no, no one can have my stuff. It will rot away.

Read the EULA, Genius. It isn't your stuff. It never was your stuff.

As for SomerBLINK, however screwed up the arrangement became, in the end, I believe CCP saw SomerBLINK GTC sales as another way to get and keep players in the game, another way to promote Eve Online. Was it haphazard and ill-thought out? yea, a lot of it was. And in the end, CCP changed their policy. End of story.

But my god, users of this forum want this to be fricken' Watergate. Give me a break.

As for being a Somer shill, I've never played SB, I've never bought GTC or anything else from them, and I generally consider gambling as a way to part fools from their money (or ISK, as the case may be.) I could care less if they vanished into thin air. I'm just bloody tired of the bitching and moaning, the tin-foil hattery, the absurd accusations and ideations of conspiracy and back-room deals.

Could CCP have handles this better? yea, probably. Could the community have reacted with a little more maturity and a little less self-entitlement? Judging by this and nearly ever other issue facing Eve players, probably not. That such a thing is true doesn't make it any less pathetic.

Really? They just lost one account over it -- one who told them exactly why in the cancellation form, too. I cancelled my other account just now. This one will be cancelled shortly. I've been thinking about doing it and sitting on the fence but I've made my mind up.

And no, no one can have my stuff. It will rot away.

I need 500mil for an orca, can i haz ur stuff?!

Somer is just making a sensible business decision. They see that their main source of incoming customers is going to close down, so they are trying to get a large influx of customers in now, while they come up with a new way to attract people. Its a sensible business decision for a in game organisation to do, it just happens that this also makes them some dollahs.

Its like CCP always assumes that the forums are just spamming bullsh!t and try to silence the minority by placation.

I am on your side hun.

I am going to stay for at least the release of Rubicon since it is supposed to usher in a new phase of player control according to CCP's word at fanfest and on the site.

In view of the fact that you now know you can trust a sister in the struggle I would be glad to hold a portion of your stuff in escorw for you. Not much maybe 800 million in isk and another 500 million is ships, BPO's and any other goodies laying around.

PM in game and lets get this rolling.

You can has lern to read? Alternately, go attack another hi-sec Procurer with your low-skill Domi and get wrecked, please. I'll be around for a while while my sub runs out so I'll be sure to see it.

Seriously? Because they Skyped with someone from CCP? Surely you're joking?

Are you going to wildly vomit when I tell you that the organisers of EVE Vegas probably also had direct contact with some of the devs?

https://twitter.com/somersetmahm/status/396090063248818176

If it is true, this makes me sick. Genuinely sick.

it'd be ridiculous of CCP to hand out bans for something they previously had a permissive attitude towards.

Why is it whenever I do the common eve responses ... everyone thinks im evil -.- , I got like 50 "can i haz your stuffs" when I was quitting

And where on earth could they possibly have gotten such an idea from?

The vast majority of the forums, in particular GD, is just spamming bullsh!t. People whining about the game and/or the players, and trolls trolling them. Maybe one thread in 20 is actually worth a read.

1B isk bonus?!

OK, I never got involved in the debate before, but 1B isk per card bought is definitely RMT level.

Extremely disrespectful from Somer.

You realise they aren't handing you isk? Its somer credit, there is no way to directly turn that somer isk into in game isk.

You have to gamble it on the lotteries, you could easily come out with nothing.

People rage so much about nothing.

You can directly turn them into ingame ISK with a 20% loss. Just start a blink and buy all the tickets.

1) There is nothing wrong with Somer talking with CCP over Skype.
2) If what "makes you sick" is that nobody is getting banned, it'd be ridiculous of CCP to hand out bans for something they previously had a permissive attitude towards.

It is sickening because we, the playerbase, have gotten the wall of silence throughout this entire affair from CCP, while Somer appears to just be able to call-up CCP whenever he wants to and be all chummy. Keeping in mind that CCP's blatant favoritism towards Somer is what get this whole thing kicked off in the first place.

Again though, your opinion. I see a lot of threads with legitimate concerns that could easily be answered by a CCP rep and settled without issue. But they chose to ignore them, then the trolls get on board and start telling people they are "self-entitled" and "whiners", and "pussies" and saying they are spwewing crap. That's when things take a turn for the worse.

Come to think of it, these words... I've seen them before recently.
Oh yeah: Here
Written by... oh right yeah, it was written by you.

So if CCP decided to ban everyone that buys PLEX using isk cause they decide that everyone must spend real money, they you would be cool with that?

Nothing like banning people for stuff they have been told is allowed.

I could care less

So if CCP decided to ban everyone that buys PLEX using isk cause they decide that everyone must spend real money, then you would be cool with that?

Nothing like banning people for stuff they have been told is allowed.

If the shoe fits, babycakes . . .

This subject took a turn for the worse long, long before I commented on them. The fact is that players of your ilk have been crying and whining about "unfair" and "favoritism" and all sorts of nonsense from the moment this issue broke the surface. It is not enough that CCP reversed their decision on the "special" ships for Somer's EveVEGAS activities, it is not enough that CCP decided to curtail the GTC bonuses, it is not enough that SomerBLINK can no longer conduct business as they have been used to doing, and in fact, the forum warriors see the fact that CCP gave the affiliates 10 days to comply is further evidence of collusion and conspiracy.

Pathetic.

Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.

Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.

Somer's been in operation for years.

Isn't is funny that once CCP give them some shiny ships all of a sudden everyone 'realises' that what they have been doing is RMT and 'breaking the rules'.

I'm sure CCP are really happy that you have figured out a player run organisation that's been doing the same thing for years is actually breaking the rules.

you could care less, but you don't, because you're emotionally invested in shilling for an RMT corporation for some reason

Somer making a mint while shitting on the community.

And the complaint ish that the 10 days look suspect. The 10 days was given to give time to adhere to the rules. If Somer had done nothing for the 10 days, that would be fine. But it's that they clearly could abide by the rules now, but instead they've chosen to RMT like crazy before they run out of time. That's what we don't like. All the other sites did the right thing by packing it in as soon as they could.

Seriously though, if you're not a Somer shill, why troll so hard?
Why not just **** off if you've got nothing constructive to add?

Oh yeah, because of poor precious Somer needs protecting from us, the evil community that hates RMT.

I don't like RMT, but the fact is that RMT is and has been a part of the MMORPG world for as long as MMORPGs have existed. I propose that it is not RMT you hate, it's CCP. It's the notion that they gave someone some advantage that they didn't give you, and you just can't get over it.

Lets say you own a company and sell Mr Pibb.

You've done that for a few years. You then get notified by the government that you cannot sell Mr Pibb because its illegal. You have 10 day to stop selling Mr Pibb, this is your only warning.

Would you..

1) Throw out your stockpile of Mr Pibb?

2) Have a Mr Pibb Party where you give it away to whoever wants it?

3) Have a Mr Pibb Mass Sale, offloading and cashing in on all the Mr Pibb you have within the 10 day timespan so that you can comply?

I guarantee it'll be #2 or #3.

They were given 10 days, of COURSE they will cash in. They want to bring people TO Somer Blink, so have a mass sale, get as much people to commit isk to Somer, get a bunch of GTC, then watch as the people lose all there isk playing Somer Blink.


It ain't idiotic, its what we all would do in that same situation.

Is it dumb.. Yup.. but there making bank.

Odd how none of that **** seems to have fallen on me. Or any of the people I fly with. Or anyone I know in the Eve community. Maybe it's because I don't spend my time looking for ways to be offended, to be put-upon, to be treated "unfairly". Maybe it's because I see Somer the same way I see Vegas: If your dumb enough to drop your coin in the slot, I have no sympathy for you.




Thank you for proving my point. As I said, it s not enough that the problem has been addressed and a fix put in place. Now, you must complain that the offending site isn't doing it fast enough. They were given 10 days, and because they are using the 10 days they were given, you once again have to complain and whine and point fingers and say how unfair life is . . .






Just as you see SomerBLINK and this whole RMT mess as a pox on the game, so I see you as such. My constructive addition is no different than yours. It is directed at what I see as a serious problem with the Eve gaming community: a loud, obnoxious, and short-sighted legion of forum warriors that think they speak for the playerbase; a community that has raised butthurt to nobel prize-winning levels.



I don't like RMT, but the fact is that RMT is and has been a part of the MMORPG world for as long as MMORPGs have existed. I propose that it is not RMT you hate, it's CCP. It's the notion that they gave someone some advantage that they didn't give you, and you just can't get over it.

What is so bad about RMT?

This^^^

You can already RMT by buying directly from CCP. This is the reason I find it impossible to give any less of a crap what somer does.

What is so bad about RMT?

This^^^

You can already RMT by buying directly from CCP. This is the reason I find it impossible to give any less of a crap what somer does.

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Genocide has been a part of humanity for a while. Just sayin'.

Yes.. lets compare Genocide to a website a few bucks from people playing internet spaceships..

Hmm.. don't over dramatise to much please

But you cant sell your ISK and get $$$Gé¼Gé¼Gé¼ and thats what SOMER is doing (and making people upset).

I think what he meant to said is that just because its a tradition doesnt mean its good.

And? I dont play Eve to make money...I play to have a good time. Why exactly should I care how much someone else in Eve makes outside the game? Besides it would hardly be worth it for the amount of $ they got/get anyways.

So you call over $250k hardly worth it?
The issue is that while it is 100% L3G1T for them to do it other people using the same mechanic get threatened and banned.

The issue is that while it is 100% L3G1T for them to do it other people using the same mechanic get threatened and banned.

And? I dont play Eve to make money...I play to have a good time. Why exactly should I care how much someone else in Eve makes outside the game? Besides it would hardly be worth it for the amount of $ they got/get anyways.