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As a pure Caldari pilot I'm going to chime in here. I only have missile skills, mostly because of the limitations of Hybrids. It's never been an issue in the past because the vast majority of Caldari boats support missile slots primarily. It's what we do. Like Amarr do lasers and Minmatar do Projectiles... To move away from that and give us another underused Hybrid platform shows a distinct lack of forethought or consideration for the majority of Caldari pilots. The fact is, I'd be better off cross training to Amarr and flying their missile specialised boats than waiting on my next remap [in 6 months time] to train the as yet unproven but reworked Hybrids.

A previous poster claims we want it all our way. That's just absurd. All we want is a fair go.

Oracle: Lasers
Tornado: Projectiles
Talos: Hybrids
Naga: Hybrids

^^ Notice anything missing here?

It's not about wanting it all. It's about wanting something.

Railguns are the long range version of the Hybrid Turret. Railguns feature longer optimal ranges than Beam Lasers or Artillery. With the right fittings, a railgun equipped sniper battleship can hit targets at distances greater than 200 kilometers. These weapons have poor tracking and are restricted to kinetic and thermal damage types.

Railgun optimized ships can be found across new eden, with the Caldari Merlin, Cormorant, Moa, Ferox, and Rokh serving as prime examples of ships designed for ranged combat.

Railguns are primarily used as a Sniping weapon, especially on the Rokh Battleship which serves as the Caldari's premier long range weapons platform. The Megathron is often equipped with Railguns (with these ships colloquially referred to as Sniperthrons), giving the vessel a potent long range combat capability in fleet engagements.

Ahem, Hurricane is split weapons as well, along with the Rifter...

It's your fault, you have known that Caldari uses both missiles and hybrids

No they don't.

Split weapons means a bonus for 2 different weapons, not some utility high slotsGǪ Otherwise the Raven is split weapons too maybe ??

How many people fit launchers on a Cane and how much skills do you need to fit a meta 4 rocket launcher on a Rifter compared to training T2 large turrets?

Here is the latest update on these ships:

NAGA

• Missile role removed, now focuses as a hybrid platform
• 10% Torpedo velocity per level swapped for 5% to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level

As pointed out, even with the velocity bonus, torpedoes have a too short of a range to be useful in practical situation with the Naga since it has the lowest mobility of all tier 3 battlecruisers and quite poor defensive options. Aligning this ship into a missile platform would have required a long range option as well, meaning the use of cruise missiles, which created a certain number of issues.

Specializing for a hybrid long range platform made more sense with the Naga role, which is why the damage bonus was appealing, especially when combined with CCP Tallest changes; it also makes more sense regarding Caldari tier philosophy, where highest tech 1 tiers usually are hybrid platforms (Merlin, Moa, Rokh).

Split weapons has nothing to do with a bonus, and you obviously have no idea what a utility high slot is either.

Stop posting asap.

This just makes the Naga a Rokh with a far less favorable tank.
Rokh: 10% to hybrid range 5% to shield resists.
Naga: 10% to hybrid range 5% to hybrid damage.

With the prices bound to be similar between them and the speed of the Naga not being it's selling point, what benefit is there to having the Naga over the Rohk? If the Naga could be used as a high speed blaster or torp boat it would give it an applicable role, smash and grab assault. Wit this ballancing the Naga does no better in cap or BS warfare than the Rokh which can stay in the fight a lot longer due to it's tank, increased PG and similar price/skills. IMHO, the Naga is out of place with this bonus set, simply making it a less favorable version of the tier three BS and no real individual role.

It's the path I've chosen. Tell me this, had I trained nothing but Lasers, I'd still have a Tier 3 Battlecruiser to fly, would I not? And that race uses missiles too...

It's imbalanced, plain and simple.

Sure but you wouldn't have a recon.

False.
1 weapons on a recon are a luxury
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the naga has been ruined. please stop forcing turrets on caldari ships, it is not better. every other race has a ship that can fit a full rack of racial guns. why doesnt caldari.

why has the naga turned into a wanna be gallente ship. if you ask me shield tank ships are bad because they cant fit a full rack of anything aside from the malstrom. ever notice that? if i want to use hybrid turrets i would fly a gallente ship. the full rack of torps was the only thing going for the naga. now its just a talos with a bad tank.

yes it has bad range with torps. thats how torps work.. if you want more range train for t2 long range torps. and even before the change. why is it the only one that cant use racial specific long range guns (criuse missles)

sry but again. if i want hybrids ill fly gallente. if i want missles i fly caldari.. oh wait, caldari cant even use missles. so whats the point.

arg this kinda stuff makes me sad. is it so much to ask to make one caldari ship be able to use a full rack of 8 missles?
heck while your at it change the rohk, ferrox, moa, vulture, merlin, harpy and any others im missing to missles aswell. even minmatar needs some help. typhoon, tempest, hurricane and others if im missing any, change them to full racial bonus and weapons aswell.

i dont want a shield tanked talos. i want a naga, with missles. and heck while on the subject of missles. how about increasing velocity and droping flight time and make caldari just a little better with range situations.

Sure but you wouldn't have a recon.

My Falcon has smarties on it, but that's not the point.

The point is that missiles are the only primary weapon system not being represented with these new ships. Regardless of whether or not rails will work on the Naga, and I'm sure they'll work just fine, it's imbalanced.

My Falcon has smarties on it, but that's not the point.

The point is that missiles are the only primary weapon system not being represented with these new ships. Regardless of whether or not rails will work on the Naga, and I'm sure they'll work just fine, it's imbalanced.

back under your bridge troll. Go read some back story on EVE. Gallente and Caldari are from the same star system, and were at one point the same empire until the caldari expanded secretly and went to war for their independence. They both use rails, caldari favor rails as they favor range in general.

somebody should spank you with a wet torpedo.

All the Caldari players who will suddenly realize after the expansion that they did NOT get a new ship to fly..
I seriously think that you don't want that situation. Give them a decent torpedo boat before it's too late.