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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.04 11:15:00 -
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This is the feedback thread for the new tier3 Battlecruisers, please post comments here.
Thanks for your time. |
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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.11.04 13:46:00 -
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Looking forward to testing on Sisi...
Although you've probably already read my thoughts on the matter. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Hellen Bach
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:11:00 -
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Please don't do the split-wweapon bonuses for the Naga! Rather make it a focused rail _or torp platform with appropriate bonuses, instead of giving it 'flexibility' in weapons with half-a-bonus each. Or leave the bonuses to both weapon systems and keep the flexibility.
Trying to have flexibility in choice + splitting the weapon bonuses just cripples the ship overall. |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
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Posted - 2011.11.04 14:20:00 -
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Exactly what Hellen said. We need 2 bonus for each of the weapons systems that we will use in the naga. ! bonus for each doesn't cut it. |
Desiderya
Tirokkunone
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:01:00 -
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Tend to agree. Love the flexibility and would hate to loose it, but think about handing out at least a smaller secondary bonus on the side. |
xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:10:00 -
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No more ships with split weapons without a split bonus.
Its ALREADY a problem if you have to use TWO TYPES OF DMG MODS. Its a double problem if you don't even benefit from ship bonuses. That makes for a useless ship.
Also, the Gallente ship could easily be worthless if blasters are not balanced well. I have yet to try that. Nerfing supers is not going to help the N+1/Blob problem. It will just mean that superpilots will be even more likely to want to blob. Think more creatively. Support the idea of a subcap "assault bomber." |
Anna Lynne Larson
Black Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.11.04 15:38:00 -
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I would say that you should drop the hybrids and hybrid bonuses entirely from the Naga and replace it with Cruise Missile fitting and weapon bonuses, make it a dedicated missile BC. This is the Caldari, after all. |
Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:15:00 -
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Can we keep the White color, I know it's from a lack of teture, but it looks so good.
I have to agree with the other coments here, it needs a single weapon system, hybrids or missles, giving it half and half makes it weak sauce |
Frothgar
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:21:00 -
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Anna Lynne Larson wrote:I would say that you should drop the hybrids and hybrid bonuses entirely from the Naga and replace it with Cruise Missile fitting and weapon bonuses, make it a dedicated missile BC. This is the Caldari, after all.
I think Cruise hit smaller vehicles too well as it is, and they make rails obsolite. I like the concept of the dual bonuses, but IMO the ship should be able to do either rails or torps well, rahter than just alright.
To play devil's advocate though, I think the bonus applying just to torps and Rails is a good idea. Otherwise we just end up with a bigger more annoying drake. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:27:00 -
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The Naga's single weapon bonus just isn't that great. Right off the bat you have put it at a disadvantage compared to the other new BC's. Either give it two weapon bonuses for each each envisioned weapon system or make it a single weapon system ship.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:29:00 -
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For the Oracle, could you clarify the bonus in the description for cap? As it reads, the 10% is a penalty, not a bonus. Unless you intended to make them use more cap, change to "reduction". |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.11.04 16:48:00 -
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Still think the Talos needs that velocity webbing bonus or drone bay with Med web drones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:15:00 -
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I can only speak for the Talos. I love it. Absolutely love it.
Anyway Feedback
PvE: Pretty darn good. I went with a pretty basic fit
Talos PvE wrote:8x 350mm Prototype Railguns
1x Y-something 10mn Afterburner 1x Tracking Comp II 2x Cap Recharger II
1x Medium Armor Rep II 2x Hardeners II 2x Mag Stab II
2x Aux nano pumps 1x CCC
Tank is pretty darn solid, I was orbiting at 30km using the AB in bursts to keep range (the Rails just could not hit Cruisers while it was on) I threw it against 2x Elite frigs, 1x elite cruiser and 4x 750 BS's and it was pretty easy, the biggest problem was the frigates, trying to hit them was a pain, as there is no drone bay, and its this lack of drone bay that really does stop it from being OP.
PvP: Was trying pretty much everything I could, and damn it was a beast, the speed was fantastic with a MWD, wasn't as sluggish as I was expecting, the bonus tracking on both the Blasters and the Ship was terrifying, with a single web, stuff was being ripped to pieces, and due to the large blasters the range wasn't an issue at all, its all but impossible to kite unless your using a faction ship with 90% web. Adding a web bonus to this ship would make it overpowered as hell is all I can really say about it.
Overall a decent solo ship, one in a gang though I suspect this will be a complete and utter beast using either Rails or Blasters. |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.11.04 17:30:00 -
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tried to fit a tornado, but didn't found anything really good. but well i'm pretty terrible on fitting...
what most surprised me on these ships (with the fact they have no textures for now :p) is the desription style ; totally different. it's a bit like for the incursions rats |
Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:03:00 -
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Naga: totally useless. No tank, no cpu and pg to fit anything after torpedoes. No dps to ships smaller than BS from torps. No dps from rails.
Talos: Weak tank. With blasters fitted and two webs was barely able to hit destroyer lol (perfect gunnery if you want to know). Rails just have no use.
Oracle. Not bad, pretty much liked it. Probably the most sturdy of all and have good fitting
Tornado. Good, so far probably best of all due to more than one usage possibility.
I am still not sure of their role overall, as an upgrade to anticapital "whelp" fleets? Yeah, why not. But hardly more, due to lack of staying power |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:06:00 -
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Hellen Bach wrote:Please don't do the split-wweapon bonuses for the Naga! Rather make it a focused rail _or torp platform with appropriate bonuses, instead of giving it 'flexibility' in weapons with half-a-bonus each. Or leave the bonuses to both weapon systems and keep the flexibility.
Trying to have flexibility in choice + splitting the weapon bonuses just cripples the ship overall.
Balance ships, not bonuses.
There's no reason why a Naga with a split weapon system can't be a balanced, useful ship. It just needs advantages inherent to the hull to make up for the split weapon system and the lesser efficiency of fitting damage mods. However, typically these advantages are of ease of fit, speed and agility etc. - none of which Caldari hulls are generally renowned for...! |
Ors Darklighter
Smith Trading Detrimental Imperative
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:09:00 -
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Can anyone post a screen of the skill requirements? |
Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:12:00 -
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Ors Darklighter wrote:Can anyone post a screen of the skill requirements?
Level 3 BC IIRC as it is tier 3 battlecruisers. Still you need skills for large guns, and lots of fitting skills, because those CPU and PG numbers are TIGHT . Those are hardly ships for starters |
Ors Darklighter
Smith Trading Detrimental Imperative
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:14:00 -
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Schmell wrote:Ors Darklighter wrote:Can anyone post a screen of the skill requirements? Level 3 BC IIRC as it is tier 3 battlecruisers. Still you need skills for large guns, and lots of fitting skills, because those CPU and PG numbers are TIGHT . Those are hardly ships for starters
I've got tech 2 large guns, just wanted to make sure they weren't like tech3 stuff where you need subsystems, etc.
Looking forward to checking them out on sisi tonight! :D |
Insane Randomness
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:16:00 -
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probably been said before, but I'll say it again. Don't make the naga a split weapons platform. Biggest issue is the only viable long range weapon for the naga is railguns, which whilest maybe slightly balanced (wouldn't know, haven't tried it yet) are still udnerpowered next too cruise missiles. That also said, this ship needs a bonus to cruise missiles so we can fit them. And perhaps an RoF bonus in place of the range bonus for torps. It's a unified NO right now on the sisi test server, the Naga will be the next Hyperion/Rokh.
Cruise missiles or bust. |
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Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:41:00 -
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Schmell wrote:Ors Darklighter wrote:Can anyone post a screen of the skill requirements? Level 3 BC IIRC as it is tier 3 battlecruisers. Still you need skills for large guns, and lots of fitting skills, because those CPU and PG numbers are TIGHT . Those are hardly ships for starters
I got a full rack of 425mm Rails and a full rack of Neutrons on the Talos with plenty of grid to spare. Hell if you really want to its possible to fit 8x 425mm Rails, 10mn MWD Med Cap injector and a MAR II.
Hardly tight. Tons of room to play with.
For the record I have BC4 and AWU4 |
C4 985
Space Fiber Weavers
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Posted - 2011.11.04 18:55:00 -
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Please make Naga a single platform BC, we don't need any more ravens. |
Dondoran
Free Masons United Inc. Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:10:00 -
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CCP please give the naga cruise missiles only forget the torps and rails, give it the same bonus as the raven a true caldari ship.
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Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:16:00 -
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Seriouspost:
Given the choice between a split bonused Naga and a Talos, I'd pick the Talos every time. Split bonuses only ensure that the ship does two things half as well as two dedicated ships would. In EVE, where I have multiple ships in my hangar, that just means I own two good ships instead of one mediocre one.
I liked the old 4 bonuses the Naga had because it put a meaningful choice in the hands of the player: the player chooses whether he wants to fly a torpedo boat or a rail sniper and, at the end of the fitting process, he has a ship with two useful bonuses. It highlighted practical versatility that is actually rare in EVE.
To use an example, the Hurricane is a versatile ship in part because both its bonuses support it in any role (sniping, brawling, camping undocks, whatever.) The player then gets to customize the Hurricane with more versatility through the choice of utility highs (neuts, cyno, RR, assault launchers, salavager, etc.) while still doing first-rate battlecruiser dps. This is important, because versatility cannot come at the cost of performing the primary role competently. With the split bonuses, the Naga would essentially be crippled no matter what decision was made by the player in fitting the ship because he would have one applicable bonus to another ship's two.
I expect that the decision to pull the third and fourth bonus came down to someone saying "We can't give this ship 4 bonuses when other ships only get 2 that's not fair!" but I would posit that giving us A Bad Ship isn't fair either. The number of bonuses a ship gets is immaterial. What really matters is how the ship performs in space. A torpedo Naga only got two bonuses, a rail Naga only got two bonuses, and lo and behold, a blaster Talos gets two bonuses and a rail Talos gets two bonuses. That looks fair to me. |
Alirra Zyir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:21:00 -
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Seems to me that the Naga is gimped compared to the other Tier 3 Battlecruisers... Its the only one that doesnt get a damage bonus to its weapon systems. Like everyone else is saying, its only got one bonus to torps and hybrids, which doesnt make it up to par with the other three.
Not to veer off topic, but its a growing trend to missile users... Look at the pirate faction ships, none of them get a bonus to missile damage. Just my two cents.
Oh yea, and this is just my personal opinion, but it seems like the Tornado is flying backwards, lol. Other than that its a great ship so far. Havent flown the other two, but their models looks pretty good to me, especially the Oracle. |
Omnium Domitor
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:23:00 -
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Naga:
I know it's still WIP, but the removal of explosion velocity/radius bonus on torps is a big letdown.
Why do we even want large hybrid optimal ranged bonus on Naga, when Rokh already has that and nobody uses it?
Either focus on being a complete missile boat or hybrid turret boat, not a poor mixture of both.
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Votive Antiphon
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.04 19:31:00 -
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I know it's still WIP, but the removal of explosion velocity/radius bonus on torps is a big letdown.
Why do we even want large hybrid optimal range bonus on Naga, when Rokh already has that and nobody uses it?
Either focus on being a complete missile boat or hybrid turret boat, not a poor mixture of both. |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:11:00 -
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Tried the Talos came back very disappointed. It's not possible to fit it to be even half way useful with blasters, so it seems it's a rail only boat - and rails still suck compared to the other turrets. So sorry, but the Talos is a failure from start to finish at this point in time for me.
Looking at what the posters above said about the Talos having 2 bonuses that apply for rails and 2 bonuses that apply for blasters, sorry but you're wrong. This boat would die to a battleship if it fitted blasters, it has too little tank; it would die to a battlecruiser as it has either too little tank or too little range or speed; it would die to a cruiser or frigate as it has too little tank and no effective way of hitting them in close range. The Talos has only 2 bonuses that will work for rails; it has no other weapon system. |
Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:16:00 -
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1st very quick impression: Talos needs at least a flight of light drones so bad. (Heck, it's Gallente too! But it really needs that modicum of utility TBH) Also it, seemed a little gimped on CPU. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:17:00 -
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I think it would be more interesting if the Naga was a cruise missile platform. Cruise missiles are under-utilized on TQ. |
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