I would say that you should drop the hybrids and hybrid bonuses entirely from the Naga and replace it with Cruise Missile fitting and weapon bonuses, make it a dedicated missile BC. This is the Caldari, after all.

8x 350mm Prototype Railguns

1x Y-something 10mn Afterburner
1x Tracking Comp II
2x Cap Recharger II

1x Medium Armor Rep II
2x Hardeners II
2x Mag Stab II

2x Aux nano pumps
1x CCC

Please don't do the split-wweapon bonuses for the Naga! Rather make it a focused rail _or torp platform with appropriate bonuses, instead of giving it 'flexibility' in weapons with half-a-bonus each. Or leave the bonuses to both weapon systems and keep the flexibility.

Trying to have flexibility in choice + splitting the weapon bonuses just cripples the ship overall.

Can anyone post a screen of the skill requirements?

Level 3 BC IIRC as it is tier 3 battlecruisers. Still you need skills for large guns, and lots of fitting skills, because those CPU and PG numbers are TIGHT . Those are hardly ships for starters

Level 3 BC IIRC as it is tier 3 battlecruisers. Still you need skills for large guns, and lots of fitting skills, because those CPU and PG numbers are TIGHT . Those are hardly ships for starters

Once again, Minmater wins. Oracle not bad. The others... meh. Talos seems terrible. Need to see if I can fit this better.

Btw

How does a Tornado handle vs a Hurricane or Typhoon?
How does an Oracle perform vs a Harbinger or Geddon?

Exactly what Hellen said. We need 2 bonus for each of the weapons systems that we will use in the naga. ! bonus for each doesn't cut it.

This is very true since the ROF for Seige launchers and Guns are too high.
I tried a Naga with Rails and with Blasters.
To be very very honest along with being paper thin( which they are supposed to be) their
DPS is very bad against cruisers and BCs.

Its got only 3 lows so if we fit 2 TE + 1 Mag stab (DC II doesnt help on such a small tank)
In the med 1x LSE, MWD, SB II, 2x Invul II, TP II
In high 8 Neutron Blaster II or 8 425MM II.
Rig-ACR I, Gun rig I, Agility Rig

It can definitely do one thing correctly. Hit nothing below BS --- just nada
and dies ever so quickly.

For me its role is very specific - I dont yet know what that is.

The torp Naga is just hopeless. Torps are simply not very effective against other t3 BCs, because of the 450 m explosion radius and the relatively small sigs of these BCs. Basically, the Talos and Tornado do much more DPS that's much easier to apply (well, in the case of the Tornado, anyway). There's no reason to fly a torp Naga when the Tornado exists.

Okay, the Talos. This ship is completely worthless. It is outclassed as a blasterboat by the Tornado:

Blaster Talos with neutrons, dual MFS, 800 mm plate, dual trimarks and an ACR.
It can do 1061 DPS with Void, at 6.8 km optimal and 6.3 km falloff.
33k EHP, 1308 m/s, 105 m/s/s average acceleration under MWD.

AC Tornado, 8x 800s with Hail, CDFEs, DC, 4x gyros.
980 DPS with 3 km optimal and 36 km falloff.
31k EHP with overheated Invuln, 1662 m/s, 147 m/s/s average acceleration under MWD.

If you are brave/stupid enough to fly a ship in the blasterboat role, the better ship for the job is the Tornado. It is much faster and much more agile so it can actually get close to apply DPS, and it has the falloff to apply DPS while trying to get close. Selectable damage types increase its applied DPS to basically the level of blasters. The Talos has almost no chance of winning in a fight between these ships. Of course, in reality, the Tornado does not need to go into blaster range to apply its DPS, unlike the Talos. But the point is that the Tornado is better than the Talos at the only job the Talos can do, and the Tornado can also apply DPS from far greater range.

The Talos is also outclassed by the Oracle. With 8x MP and 3x HS, it does 1022 DPS to twice the effective range of the Talos, with basically the same EHP, and the option to instantly switch to Scorch for 730 DPS at 45 km. Even worse than this, the Talos will also lose a straight-up fight at blaster optimal with a bog-standard shield Hurricane. The Talos's DPS advantage over the Hurricane is insufficient to make up for its inferior EHP.

Let's look at the rail Talos then. Its competitors are the Scorch Oracle, Tachyon Oracle, Rail Naga and artillery Tornado. To 50 km, the Scorch Oracle does pretty much the same DPS with twice the tracking. The Tachyon Oracle outdamages, outvolleys and out-tracks it at all ranges. The artillery Tornado outdamages and outvolleys it at all ranges. It doesn't matter what the Naga does.

There is simply no reason to fly the Talos. The blaster fit offers nothing that the Tornado, Oracle or Hurricane cannot also do as an afterthought, way aside from their main abilities. The Talos is utterly defenceless against frigates, while the Tornado and Oracle have the combination of tracking and range to hope to apply some sort of DPS to smaller ships. At long range, it is casually outclassed by tachyons and artillery.

The Talos, therefore, is hybrids in microcosm. It is completely pointless.

Excellent analysis. After a couple of hours now, pretty much same conclusion. Very sad. Well, this is why we test. The question is now, will CCP do anything about it. Fundamentally the problem is all about hybrid/gallente ships as a whole needs to be addressed.

Quick capital ship counters.

So, why would I use a Talos now? It now has the same issues as a Brutix always had against minmitar BCs; lack of mobility, poor engagement range, poring EHP for those disadvantages. The 90% web gave it a chance and the 5 lights made it slightly special. Welp, CCP pre-nerfs Gallente again...

Just wanted to give a quick report on the talos.

fit 8x neutron blasters, 10mn mwd II, sebo and not telling, lows - not telling rigs - not telling

All i can say is DAMN that sucker hits hard. i mean really hits hard. However for some really small annoying targets i would like to see mabye a 25m drone bay just for protection. Other than that, what i am using it for it works very nicely.


I should also mention - I have a specific hardwire set and booster I use. So that's why the talos as a blaster boat works for me.

If you can outrange/outtrack and still hold a point, tier3 will win. Otherwise you will lose badly because of EHP difference.

Sad that CCP pre-nerfed the talos from early stats:
No Drone Bay
No Super-Web

Just wanted to give a quick report on the talos.

fit 8x neutron blasters, 10mn mwd II, sebo and not telling, lows - not telling rigs - not telling

All i can say is DAMN that sucker hits hard. i mean really hits hard. However for some really small annoying targets i would like to see mabye a 25m drone bay just for protection. Other than that, what i am using it for it works very nicely.


I should also mention - I have a specific hardwire set and booster I use. So that's why the talos as a blaster boat works for me.

I was just playing around with the Talos pvp a bit more, 425mm rail Nanofit, was honestly surprised, it wasn't bad

I was just playing around with the Talos pvp a bit more, 425mm rail Nanofit, was honestly surprised, it wasn't bad

CCP will not do anything about it, because they cannot. Their previous episodes of ill-thought-out power creep to lasers and projectiles have now forced themselves into a corner where all solutions are unattractive. Lasers and projectiles have intruded into hybrids' roles and become better than hybrids at the only things that hybrids can do.

There are three ways out of this problem, but all of them are impossible to implement. The first option is to boost blaster range, but this just homogenises the weapon systems. It's a stupid, lazy fix and everyone knows it. The second choice is to increase blaster damage until they have an advantage commensurate with the difficulty and danger of going into blaster range. The damage boost required would be absurd, about 50%. It simply will not happen. That leaves only the option of significantly reducing the applied damage of projectiles and lasers in the areas where hybrids are supposed to dominate. Since this would require widespread nerfs to ACs, tachyons, Pulse and artillery, it simply will not happen - the threadnoughts and ragequitting would be apocalyptic.

Tracking is awful. I engaged a Tornado with my Oracle and we couldn't kill each other, we were webbed, scrambled, at optimal weapon distance... but completely missed shots. Thats not good!! Even I couldn't put my max dmg to a Tempest in the same conditions!!

Also, a 25m3 and bandwidth for the gallente tier 3 BC

CCP will not do anything about it, because they cannot. Their previous episodes of ill-thought-out power creep to lasers and projectiles have now forced themselves into a corner where all solutions are unattractive. Lasers and projectiles have intruded into hybrids' roles and become better than hybrids at the only things that hybrids can do.

There are three ways out of this problem, but all of them are impossible to implement. The first option is to boost blaster range, but this just homogenises the weapon systems. It's a stupid, lazy fix and everyone knows it. The second choice is to increase blaster damage until they have an advantage commensurate with the difficulty and danger of going into blaster range. The damage boost required would be absurd, about 50%. It simply will not happen. That leaves only the option of significantly reducing the applied damage of projectiles and lasers in the areas where hybrids are supposed to dominate. Since this would require widespread nerfs to ACs, tachyons, Pulse and artillery, it simply will not happen - the threadnoughts and ragequitting would be apocalyptic.

Did the same and thought the same, until I flew the Tornado. The Tornado is awesome. .

dondoran... the only problem i had fitting the naga with 2 large shield extenders and 8 torps with a mwd was cpu but one co-processor II fixed that...

perhaps you need better skills?

though i would prefer the ship bonus to be like a mini ravenish...

5% to kin missle damage per lev
10% to missile rate of fire per lev

plus ccp drop the rail bonus and give it cruise missles instead... so its either torps or cruise depending on how you like to fly tem...

i am against a TP bonus cuss if you want these ships to sine you should ahve a Recon with them .....

like an arazu to scram so the talos can get in range... or a rapier so the tops are usefull...

Since they are slaves and stole all of their technology, their boat should reflect that.
.

Yeay yet again another overpowered minmatar boat with too big guns.
I hope you are aware that minmatar boats no longer reflect their "origins"? Since they are slaves and stole all of their technology, their boat should reflect that.
Why are there still boats in the game that can alpha anything away and outrun any kind of weapon system?
I have a very easy solution for that matter, decrease tracking of all artillery weapons by 500% and damage by 50% or if that does not suit you just have all minmatar ships have their shield resistence reduced by 100% and shield hp by 100% and armor hp reduced by 75% and armor resistance by lets say 30%.
That would reflect the technology of slaves clamped together in general

Why should there be any battlecruiser sized boat that can fly >2000m/s with a volley damage >6000hp ?

I can see that the new battlecruiser line is designed to be fast and deadly but to any ship should be a counter against or make it unbreakable.

Hey, Minmatar engineers are just smarter than everyone else in the 'verse.

i think half of the hybrid problems would simply go away if autocannons were nerfed.

Okay, the Talos. This ship is completely worthless. It is outclassed as a blasterboat by the Tornado:

Blaster Talos with neutrons, dual MFS, 800 mm plate, dual trimarks and an ACR.
It can do 1061 DPS with Void, at 6.8 km optimal and 6.3 km falloff.
33k EHP, 1308 m/s, 105 m/s/s average acceleration under MWD.

AC Tornado, 8x 800s with Hail, CDFEs, DC, 4x gyros.
980 DPS with 3 km optimal and 36 km falloff.
31k EHP with overheated Invuln, 1662 m/s, 147 m/s/s average acceleration under MWD.

If you are brave/stupid enough to fly a ship in the blasterboat role, the better ship for the job is the Tornado. It is much faster and much more agile so it can actually get close to apply DPS, and it has the falloff to apply DPS while trying to get close. Selectable damage types increase its applied DPS to basically the level of blasters. The Talos has almost no chance of winning in a fight between these ships. Of course, in reality, the Tornado does not need to go into blaster range to apply its DPS, unlike the Talos. But the point is that the Tornado is better than the Talos at the only job the Talos can do, and the Tornado can also apply DPS from far greater range.

The Talos is also outclassed by the Oracle. With 8x MP and 3x HS, it does 1022 DPS to twice the effective range of the Talos, with basically the same EHP, and the option to instantly switch to Scorch for 730 DPS at 45 km. Even worse than this, the Talos will also lose a straight-up fight at blaster optimal with a bog-standard shield Hurricane. The Talos's DPS advantage over the Hurricane is insufficient to make up for its inferior EHP.

Let's look at the rail Talos then. Its competitors are the Scorch Oracle, Tachyon Oracle, Rail Naga and artillery Tornado. To 50 km, the Scorch Oracle does pretty much the same DPS with twice the tracking. The Tachyon Oracle outdamages, outvolleys and out-tracks it at all ranges. The artillery Tornado outdamages and outvolleys it at all ranges. It doesn't matter what the Naga does.

There is simply no reason to fly the Talos. The blaster fit offers nothing that the Tornado, Oracle or Hurricane cannot also do as an afterthought, way aside from their main abilities. The Talos is utterly defenceless against frigates, while the Tornado and Oracle have the combination of tracking and range to hope to apply some sort of DPS to smaller ships. At long range, it is casually outclassed by tachyons and artillery.

The Talos, therefore, is hybrids in microcosm. It is completely pointless.

PVE - MISSIONS - there are a lot of rats it has trouble hitting specifically -

Just give Talos the drone bay

Nope, if anything move the Naga completely to hybrids and fix them. Caldari have quite enough missile ships, we don't need any more. What we need is a competitive gun platform. I'm quite tired of getting pidgeon - holed to "oh look yet another Pve ship".

Nope, if anything move the Naga completely to hybrids and fix them. Caldari have quite enough missile ships, we don't need any more. What we need is a competitive gun platform. I'm quite tired of getting pidgeon - holed to "oh look yet another Pve ship".

If you want Hybrids, train for the Talos!

Why have 2x Hybrid Turret Tier3 BC's???

Because there's no point in a missile BC with battleship missiles? It's much more likely for the hybrids to be fixed than for torpedoes (or cruise missiles) to be fixed. Plus, missiles are useless or less useful in most pvp scenarios than guns, especially when "long range" is involved. Just like the raven mostly isn't used (and hasn't been used) in pvp, that would be the end for a missile based Naga. Now, if CCP is willing to give the Naga full bonuses for both hybrids and missiles, then good! I'm all for it. But given the choice, hybrid is the way to go.

Missiles don't need to be "Fixed" and who said the Tier3 BC's were meant for long range. I see these ships as much bigger Stealth Bombers, in-fire-out. Plus just cause you can't fit a raven for PvP doesn't mean they don't get used.

10x Torp Naga's warp to a member at 10km and throw a 70,000 - 80,000 Alpha at something, it will hurt.

BTW- I don't have any Gunnery Skills and would need about 3mill+ in gunnery to be any good VS. 3 days extra skillin to fly the Talos, problem solved!

Sorry but training time should never be taken in account when comparing ships, if not relative to one another. You always have the choice to cross train. I'm caldari, but that doesn't mean I fly only Caldari. As a matter of fact right now I can fly the Tornado better than an hybrid Naga since I'm training Large Autocannon Spec to 5, while large blasters are still at 4. Which means that I'm not asking what I'm asking "for me", since I can already fly what will probably be the best tier 3 BC anyway.

But... like you said, your a Veteran with probably stupid amounts of SP and these ships should be good for all, even the focused missile pilots. If the Naga were just Hybrids, it would be as useful as a Tornado to me! With my way, all weapon types get a go!(except Drones)

Look, I wouldn't mind an effective, mass pvp-usable missile battleship. Fact is, we're not going to get it anytime soon, if ever. Which saddens me, honestly. But, as they say, strike while the iron is hot: hybrids are on the table, might as well fix them and get a working Naga than getting a Siege Naga and hoping for it to become useful sometime in the far future. And again, if CCP lets the naga have 4 bonuses, for hybrids and siege as well, then GOOD! but I find it quite unlikely given the history of ship balancing.

NAGA-

Do away with Hybrids on this Missile Boat.

Instead of current stats-


The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit Large (Battleship-grade) weapons.

Traits
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus Per Level:
GÇó 10% decreased factor of signature radius for Torpedo's
GÇó 10% bonus to Siege Missile Launchers rate of fire

Role Bonus:
GÇó 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers
GÇó 60% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers


Not sure if the CPU reduction is enough, but a little more is needed!

Please

Hey people, just popping in to let you know that you're not left in the dark here, I'm following this thread closely and taking notes of some good points brought so far.

I'll give you a more detailed answer regarding the Naga/Talos tomorrow and will do my best to try to book some time next week to play test these ships more with you on Sisi.


Thanks for your time and feedback.

Hey people, just popping in to let you know that you're not left in the dark here, I'm following this thread closely and taking notes of some good points brought so far.

I'll give you a more detailed answer regarding the Naga/Talos tomorrow and will do my best to try to book some time next week to play test these ships more with you on Sisi.


Thanks for your time and feedback.

NAGA-

Do away with Hybrids on this Missile Boat.

Instead of current stats-


The Naga is a Tier 3 Battlecruiser that sacrifices durability for the ability to fit Large (Battleship-grade) weapons.

Traits
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus Per Level:
GÇó 10% decreased factor of signature radius for Torpedo's
GÇó 10% bonus to Siege Missile Launchers rate of fire

Role Bonus:
GÇó 40% reduction in the powergrid need of Siege Missile Launchers
GÇó 60% reduction in the CPU need of Siege Missile Launchers


Not sure if the CPU reduction is enough, but a little more is needed!

Please

give blasters much better tracking, remove tracking bonuses from blaster boats and give them a massive afterburner speed boost.
this would make balster boats fast for closing in on opponents, without increasing their signature making them a giant flying target with a "shoot and kill me" label..
AND
since afterburners need less cap/pg people could actually fit active tanks on gallente ships with active tanking bonuses...

Talos

Make it a drone boat

Umm no, we already have the myrmidon, which has a massive win on passive shield or armor tank, plus is a great utility wagon in pvp. We dont need another drone boat.



now @ the guy who quoted me about the talos as mission rats. I was simply stating i was trying it out in a variety of ways, like most players do and just stating what i found out when trying it in those methods, remember when testing you have to think outside of the box. :glados:

Now as for the tank.- nothing wrong with it. you are going to max fire power at the expense of tanking. It's like the stealth bomber lots of boom but also shatters. Try it with a full omni resist tank in the lows and put damage rigs in.


Just one more thing on the talos - the speed is great, and the fact it is cap stable with a pvp fit on is nice also.


PS - i had not fitting problems on the talos - for those of you who do. check your hardwire slots 6 and 10. engineering and gunnery implants respectively.

Umm no, we already have the myrmidon, which has a massive win on passive shield or armor tank, plus is a great utility wagon in pvp. We dont need another drone boat.



now @ the guy who quoted me about the talos as mission rats. I was simply stating i was trying it out in a variety of ways, like most players do and just stating what i found out when trying it in those methods, remember when testing you have to think outside of the box. :glados:

Now as for the tank.- nothing wrong with it. you are going to max fire power at the expense of tanking. It's like the stealth bomber lots of boom but also shatters. Try it with a full omni resist tank in the lows and put damage rigs in.


Just one more thing on the talos - the speed is great, and the fact it is cap stable with a pvp fit on is nice also.


PS - i had not fitting problems on the talos - for those of you who do. check your hardwire slots 6 and 10. engineering and gunnery implants respectively.

P.S. Don't make it a drone boat like a mini domi. Give it a drone bay like every other Tech 1 Gallente boat in the game!

Nope, if anything move the Naga completely to hybrids and fix them. Caldari have quite enough missile ships, we don't need any more. What we need is a competitive gun platform. I'm quite tired of getting pidgeon - holed to "oh look yet another Pve ship".

Back from Sisi where I tested the Naga.

The beast needs a lot more CPU ! It is impossible to fit 8 Siege Launcher II with a minimum PVP fit (2 BCS II, DCU II, MWD, 2 Invuln T2)

Please don't tell me you designed it to use with T1 launchers ?

Just writing to defend the cap bonus on the oracle. Since it already gets a cap use reduction from the role bonus, the extra cap bonus is incredibly powerful. It is stable out of the box with megapulses and 3 HS. With a t2 mwd, you only need a cap booster to run the mwd.

Agreed on the Talos:



(Hell, even 5 lights would be better than nothing)

I personally like the split fit idea, but at least give the Oracle a real bonus. Many amarr ships have this, but it isn't a bonus as so much a oh hey, now you can be on par with the other ships. Energy turrets don't do that much better damage to make using them worth the lack of a ship bonus on the ship itself.

And that is useful in how many pvp situations? I've never had a pvp encounter where I needed to be cap stable, so only if you're ratting is it even useful. In exchange for something else, say tracking boosts, where it is useful in every situation, we get a second, redundant cap usage bonus for no real reason. No other ship is cap stable on the amarr side out of the box, what does that tell you about its bonuses except that one is useless.

Even more so, it blatantly states the role bonus of 50% as if CCP is saying, oh, we could just increase this to 60, but we didn't want to give you a chance to outshine the overpowered tornado which gets insane bonuses.

And that is useful in how many pvp situations? I've never had a pvp encounter where I needed to be cap stable, so only if you're ratting is it even useful.

New approach on Balancing:

Tornado: leave as is (sounds great) and add a target painter bonus. Fast, flexible DPS, and weak EHP.

Talos: Add the Web bonus, increase it's EHP to compensate for being a blaster boat, and give it the light drone flight. (close in and gank) Intent is to still be a glassier cannon, but give it a fair chance to close.

Naga: Give it the four bonuses to all BS class missiles and hybrids (long range theme with potential to do close in, but no where near as good as Talos) And throw on an ECM bonus for S&G's. This would make it fit the Caldari fluff perfectly.

Oracle: Give it a damage bonus instead of capacitor, and add an HP buff, but less than for Talos (fits the lumbering fleet of lazor doom.) Fits the fluff of amarr BS's requiring logistics support for capacitor in prolonged engagements.

This would give each a unique flavor and fit into a theme.

Also as a potential, make one of the bonus sets based on the racial cruiser skill. Example:
1. Talos: Web/drone bay = +5%/5m3 per cruiser level (EHP buff is part of ship, but is the highest HP of all)
2. Oracle: +10% HP per cruier level (not to exceed Talos buff)
3. Naga: Add a 10% ECM strength bonus per cruiser level (lol I can see your face now)
4. Tornado: As is, plus a Target painter bonus per cruiser level.

In short, if unbalanced, rather than dragging down everything to mediocrity as is so often the case, maybe try making all fun.

-DT

Please make Naga a single platform BC, we don't need any more ravens.

Combining my thoughts on all current changes

Hybrids:
I've sperged on the topic of blasters enough by now. I think he changes are very good for blaster and rail boats but they need to play out in game or on sisi with actual fights to see how it plays out. Some people are convinced they are still terrible. vOv. If anything I would give blasters a 10% range bonus.

Tier3 BCs:
This is an accident waiting to happen, a real train wreck of an idea that is going to obsolete whole groups of ships. The Tornado and the Oracle are the worst, but if the damage graph from FHC is accurate, then even the Naga and Talos will be doing stupid damage at ranges that no ships outside Sniper BS can match. Goodbye Sniper hacs, goodbye hacs, goodbye Drakes, goodbye Canes and most likely goodbye cruisers as well.

IMO, these ships should be slow. Slower than normal BCs. That or they need to drop the big gun concept and make them normal med gun BCs, or if they keep the big guns, then BS. No offense to Pattern, but currently I think these ships should not be in the game at all.

Destroyers:
The smaller sig, increased speed and hp are great. They 25% RoF penalty should be brought back, however, as these dessies make frigs, AFs, inties and indeed t1 cruisers completely worthless for the most part.

Is this what EVE is going to be reduced to: gangs of Tier3s sniping or kiting at range with dessie gangs being used as cheap suicide tackle T3 hunters? It's going to make for a lot of tears and a very boring game.

No insurance to suicide gankers:
Don't care. Gankers will still gank the expensive stuff for profit and the cheap stuff for tears.

Apart from the hybrid buff and parts of the dessie buff (and nebulae) I'm a lot less happy about these changes than I was.

the only issue i see with these snipey concepts is the fact that they make 4 T2 HACS completely obsolete. what the hell is up with that?

Just curious if anyone has tried them out against their intended victim - battleships? I saw a video of a Tornado v. a sniper Abaddon, but that doesnt really count. Has anyone tried them ac v ac setup, or blaster v blaster, etc? I am curious to see how that goes.

Facing 2 tier 3s of the same type and fit against each other is irrelevant. We're testing the balance of them in all situations. Doing a mirror match is entirely dependent on pilot skill, which we are not testing.

I have been wondering about tier 3 BC vulnerability to frigates. tbqh, I could probably kill a Tier 3 in an EAF. Definitely could do it in an AF. Dramiels and Daredevils will eat these things for breakfast as is. They really need a dronebay.

That being said, perhaps this is a stealth attempt at giving EAFs and AFs a role in PvP combat. /tinfoil?

yeah right, if you use an oracle at 200km, you are going to hit cruisers regardless of sig.

farther you get the easier you hit. pretty common knowledge there fella

ok, went and tried the Naga. First impression was, if you have fitting issues with this, your skills need work.

...I started running into issues with grid and CPU both...

-Make it a dedicated in-your-face torp ship, lose the rail bonus, add a second torp bonus

-Make it an in-your-face blaster boat (but infringing on the gallente talos territory)

And dont tell me the new BC's are gona be invincible, as an apocalypse can easily pwn al four of them if flown with some bit of skill, as a Maelstrom can (lets be fair, the tornado may be strong, but one artillery voley and he is done for).

Torps range bonus is pointless, it just means it takes even longer for it to hit its target. I believe torps on the Naga should be a close range weapon and 2x Bonus's to reflect this(signiture, rate of fire...etc)

While having a resistances bonus defeats the object of the Tier3 BC, high damage-low defence!

My 8x Ion Blaster Cannon II Naga doesn't fall to the fitting problems your fancy torpedo Nagas do.

Would cruises honestly fit in anywhere in PvP outside of a sniping role?

About the 5% resistences bonus, that was just an example, it just popped up in my head, as anything else could've done.

TALOS
It's not the Talos's fault, it's blasters' fault. Not my problem. Suck it.

Dual bonuses: what you have to consider here, is that in its default configuration, the Naga has 8 launchers AND 8 turrets, which means:

• Torpedo projection smiliar to Raven: even with one bonus to torpedoes, it does the same amount of damage/projection than a Raven. Adding another bonus to missile damage would make this ship greatly outperform its battleship equivalent
• Giving this ship another hybrid bonus threatens the Rokh, while possibly make it better than the Talos for close range combat

[*] Mobility: Naga can use points above to deliver long range constant damage while being quite difficult to catch itself

all the things you wrote

TALOS
So yes, we are aware of all of that and CCP Tallest and myself, among others, keep discussing of possible ways to fix the issue blasters face at the moment. However, what you must understand here, is that there is no magic trick we can pull out of our hats to fix all these issues instantly, as they require looking into massively complex tasks that have a lot of repercussions themselves.