P.S. Don't make it a drone boat like a mini domi. Give it a drone bay like every other Tech 1 Gallente boat in the game!

Nope, if anything move the Naga completely to hybrids and fix them. Caldari have quite enough missile ships, we don't need any more. What we need is a competitive gun platform. I'm quite tired of getting pidgeon - holed to "oh look yet another Pve ship".

Back from Sisi where I tested the Naga.

The beast needs a lot more CPU ! It is impossible to fit 8 Siege Launcher II with a minimum PVP fit (2 BCS II, DCU II, MWD, 2 Invuln T2)

Please don't tell me you designed it to use with T1 launchers ?

Just writing to defend the cap bonus on the oracle. Since it already gets a cap use reduction from the role bonus, the extra cap bonus is incredibly powerful. It is stable out of the box with megapulses and 3 HS. With a t2 mwd, you only need a cap booster to run the mwd.

Agreed on the Talos:



(Hell, even 5 lights would be better than nothing)

I personally like the split fit idea, but at least give the Oracle a real bonus. Many amarr ships have this, but it isn't a bonus as so much a oh hey, now you can be on par with the other ships. Energy turrets don't do that much better damage to make using them worth the lack of a ship bonus on the ship itself.

And that is useful in how many pvp situations? I've never had a pvp encounter where I needed to be cap stable, so only if you're ratting is it even useful. In exchange for something else, say tracking boosts, where it is useful in every situation, we get a second, redundant cap usage bonus for no real reason. No other ship is cap stable on the amarr side out of the box, what does that tell you about its bonuses except that one is useless.

Even more so, it blatantly states the role bonus of 50% as if CCP is saying, oh, we could just increase this to 60, but we didn't want to give you a chance to outshine the overpowered tornado which gets insane bonuses.

And that is useful in how many pvp situations? I've never had a pvp encounter where I needed to be cap stable, so only if you're ratting is it even useful.

New approach on Balancing:

Tornado: leave as is (sounds great) and add a target painter bonus. Fast, flexible DPS, and weak EHP.

Talos: Add the Web bonus, increase it's EHP to compensate for being a blaster boat, and give it the light drone flight. (close in and gank) Intent is to still be a glassier cannon, but give it a fair chance to close.

Naga: Give it the four bonuses to all BS class missiles and hybrids (long range theme with potential to do close in, but no where near as good as Talos) And throw on an ECM bonus for S&G's. This would make it fit the Caldari fluff perfectly.

Oracle: Give it a damage bonus instead of capacitor, and add an HP buff, but less than for Talos (fits the lumbering fleet of lazor doom.) Fits the fluff of amarr BS's requiring logistics support for capacitor in prolonged engagements.

This would give each a unique flavor and fit into a theme.

Also as a potential, make one of the bonus sets based on the racial cruiser skill. Example:
1. Talos: Web/drone bay = +5%/5m3 per cruiser level (EHP buff is part of ship, but is the highest HP of all)
2. Oracle: +10% HP per cruier level (not to exceed Talos buff)
3. Naga: Add a 10% ECM strength bonus per cruiser level (lol I can see your face now)
4. Tornado: As is, plus a Target painter bonus per cruiser level.

In short, if unbalanced, rather than dragging down everything to mediocrity as is so often the case, maybe try making all fun.

-DT

Please make Naga a single platform BC, we don't need any more ravens.

Combining my thoughts on all current changes

Hybrids:
I've sperged on the topic of blasters enough by now. I think he changes are very good for blaster and rail boats but they need to play out in game or on sisi with actual fights to see how it plays out. Some people are convinced they are still terrible. vOv. If anything I would give blasters a 10% range bonus.

Tier3 BCs:
This is an accident waiting to happen, a real train wreck of an idea that is going to obsolete whole groups of ships. The Tornado and the Oracle are the worst, but if the damage graph from FHC is accurate, then even the Naga and Talos will be doing stupid damage at ranges that no ships outside Sniper BS can match. Goodbye Sniper hacs, goodbye hacs, goodbye Drakes, goodbye Canes and most likely goodbye cruisers as well.

IMO, these ships should be slow. Slower than normal BCs. That or they need to drop the big gun concept and make them normal med gun BCs, or if they keep the big guns, then BS. No offense to Pattern, but currently I think these ships should not be in the game at all.

Destroyers:
The smaller sig, increased speed and hp are great. They 25% RoF penalty should be brought back, however, as these dessies make frigs, AFs, inties and indeed t1 cruisers completely worthless for the most part.

Is this what EVE is going to be reduced to: gangs of Tier3s sniping or kiting at range with dessie gangs being used as cheap suicide tackle T3 hunters? It's going to make for a lot of tears and a very boring game.

No insurance to suicide gankers:
Don't care. Gankers will still gank the expensive stuff for profit and the cheap stuff for tears.

Apart from the hybrid buff and parts of the dessie buff (and nebulae) I'm a lot less happy about these changes than I was.

the only issue i see with these snipey concepts is the fact that they make 4 T2 HACS completely obsolete. what the hell is up with that?