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Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:01:00 - [1] Moved from EVE General Discussion to Skills forum - Jacques' GoonFleet hit 900 people a day ago, and we have started to purge out as many inactives as we can find. Judging from a thread that I poll that I posted, we still have over 550 active members and about 75 alts - and this is snowballing faster and faster. In a few months, even if I have Empire Control V, we'll still be up against the 1300 person limit. The last newbie drive alone netted 250 active members and about 250 more trial accounts that ended up not subscribing. We'd rather not split off and form subcorps, as we have some common resources that can't be sent across different corporate hangars. Plus it's cool all being in the same corp, with the same exact rules, same leadership to which to appeal when the newbies need things, etc. Would it be possible to just put a skillbook in the game that cost 100-300M isk that allowed +500 or +1000 people in the corp per level? I highly doubt we'll ever need 5000 or whatever spots, but it would at least fix our problem in the near future. Thanks for reading, even if you decide not to.
Crackfarmer	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:04:00 - [2] Dont do it it, hes just trying to trick you.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:04:00 - [3] I truely never thought I'd see the day when I saw a request like this one
MellaRinn	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:06:00 - [4] Agreed and a free bump... But please, do not use the term snowballing, as it does have some nasty connotations in the british English --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:06:00 - [5] you're pulling all these people off SA? sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Sorenson Roynex	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:13:00 - [6] It means the same thing in American English.
Alexis DeTocqueville	Posted - 2006.02.22 20:17:00 - [7] Originally by: MellaRinn But please, do not use the term snowballing, as it does have some nasty connotations in the british English No, it's a colloquialism in the British language. Oxford doesn't say jack about that use of the word.
labmonkey1	Posted - 2006.02.22 21:21:00 - [8] 1300 members... insane. Well done to your corp, and CCP should really be releasing this skill lol.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.02.22 21:30:00 - [9] Call it Noobcorp control --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.02.22 22:51:00 - [10] Originally by: lofty29 Call it Noobcorp control "Tech II Crazy blob Tactic Management" = 500 Extra members per level and 10% speed to newbie ships ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
GC13	Posted - 2006.02.23 00:16:00 - [11] GoonFleet Management ftw!
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.02.23 03:22:00 - [12] Such a skill has existed in the database for years: Sovereignty I want it. --- Skill Collector Level 273 skills trained.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.02.23 05:45:00 - [13] honestly I see no need for this. if a corp hits said limit with <25% inactive people... ok. but 900 people with <600 active is a bit silly.... how many of those accounts were trials that will never be activated? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Lorth	Posted - 2006.02.23 05:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Kel Shek honestly I see no need for this. if a corp hits said limit with <25% inactive people... ok. but 900 people with <600 active is a bit silly.... how many of those accounts were trials that will never be activated? Goonfleet activly purges as many inactives as they can, on a really regular basis.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.02.23 09:35:00 - [15] maybe its just my own thing against ultra-huge corps... I'm not sure what it comes from, but I've just always had a severe dislike for gargantuan guilds and whatnot. eh, I guess I am not in much of a place to say, but a thousand people seems a bit excessive. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Treylis	Posted - 2006.02.23 11:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Kel Shek maybe its just my own thing against ultra-huge corps... I'm not sure what it comes from, but I've just always had a severe dislike for gargantuan guilds and whatnot. eh, I guess I am not in much of a place to say, but a thousand people seems a bit excessive. Large alliances are undeniably part of Eve, this is basically no different.
Lord WarATron	Posted - 2006.02.23 14:47:00 - [17] Why not setup Goonfleet as an alliance and multiple parts of your division as seperate corps? --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.02.23 15:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Lord WarATron Why not setup Goonfleet as an alliance and multiple parts of your division as seperate corps? Would make keeping all the corp hangar filled a pain as theyd all have seperate corp hangars. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.02.23 16:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Kery Nysell on 23/02/2006 16:58:48 You have 900 members of the race of the CEO ? If your have multiple races, a re-reading of the Ethnic Relations skill will solve your problem : Skill at operating multiracial corporations. Extra 20% corporation members of other race than CEO allowed per skill level. Percentage is based on CEO's corporation management skills, not the number of people in the corporation. That means that with maxed skills, you could have 1300 Amarrs (for example), and 1300 Caldaris, and 1300 Gallentes, and 1300 Minmatars, for a grand total of 5200 members. That skill also allows Jovian and Pirate characters, but as far as I know you can't make a character from those two races. I did a test when I had Corporation Management 2 and Ethnic Relations 1 : I asked a few friends to make a bunch of Caldari alts (since I'm Caldari), recruited them in my small 1-man corp until I was at 20 members, and then tried to recruit a few alts from the 3 other races ... it worked, at least up to the fourth of each race, when trying to recruit the fifth Gallente alt, the game told me I hadn't the skills for so many people in my corp. That was 10 months ago, it may have changed since then, but I doubt it.
BobZumda	Posted - 2006.02.23 17:03:00 - [20] Edited by: BobZumda on 23/02/2006 17:05:35 ^^^^ Hmmm, interesting. I am fairly sure we have run across an upper limit before and Ethnic Relations didn't help, back when we only had 500 members. Originally by: Lord WarATron Why not setup Goonfleet as an alliance and multiple parts of your division as seperate corps? Right now this is not politically feasible as we are members of the informal OSS alliance. We are going to make an actual OSS, but we have not ironed out who the executor will be. Multiple corps are infeasible as it will just end up an unmanageable nightmare. The alternative is that we get to 1300 and only add people as others quit. So, no more hundred and hundreds of new subscribers every other month that help support the game we have come to love.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.02.23 17:13:00 - [21] Make a new corp called noogfleet. Fear the Ibis of doom.

Chribba	Posted - 2006.02.23 21:35:00 - [22] signed, I need that skill too! EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Get Email if thread updates

Kular	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:25:00 - [23] heh Chribba, just how many people can you control in your Empire? For God, Empire, and Sarum!
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:27:00 - [24] Oh TomB won't you come and save me? ;_;
Berasus	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:42:00 - [25] hey, if you can get 1000 members, you have 1/15th of eve's subscribers :p (the last record was like 15k wasn't it? havn't kept track of that).
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Berasus hey, if you can get 1000 members, you have 1/15th of eve's subscribers :p (the last record was like 15k wasn't it? havn't kept track of that). Well...LMAO We get 23500 PCU at times and ur telliong me we have 15k subscribers? It's over 100k m8, when was the last time you logged on? ------------------------- Thou shalt be dispatched.

Chribba	Posted - 2006.02.27 19:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Kular heh Chribba, just how many people can you control in your Empire? 1300 lost souls EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Get Email if thread updates

Freeside	Posted - 2006.02.27 20:24:00 - [28] I knew it was you from the second I read the thread title, Remedial. I don't think there's another CEO in the galaxy with this problem.
TiraX	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:53:00 - [29] I hope they will upgrade it, and im sure they just thought that no corp would get this large. I mean it would mean GoonFleet alone has almost 1% of the playerbase in eve. ----
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.02.28 01:01:00 - [30] Quote: Large alliances are undeniably part of Eve, this is basically no different. sure they are. but I think they are ALOT different. in theory at least, an alliance would be a.. erm, alliance... of several/many independently functional corporations with similar views and ideals or whatnot. of course theoretically some geographic connection as well. theres no signifigant "managability" problems with an alliance of 1300 people, if its divided into half a dozen groups of 200 and some, each group would be independently functional and operative as its own corp.... at least it seems to me thats how the alliance thing is MEANT to be. again, I admit this could be wholely my bias against ultra-huge corps/guilds/whatever. but I don't see why they should. I can't see how with that many people a corp would be corp-like at all. but I can't imagine it'd hurt much to have it avaliable... so why not. I don't even want to think about how the politics in such an absurdly huge corp would be... ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Freeside	Posted - 2006.02.28 03:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Kel Shek I don't even want to think about how the politics in such an absurdly huge corp would be... Imagine a swarm of bees. ... ... ... That's it.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.02.28 03:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Kel Shek I don't even want to think about how the politics in such an absurdly huge corp would be... It's actually not that bad. With that many people there just isn't ROOM for any one person to be too much of a drama queen. When there are 140 people in corp chat, no one person can drama out tooo much wiithout 139 other people all telling him to STFU. So it works out mostly.
PopeZeus	Posted - 2006.02.28 05:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Kel Shek Quote: Large alliances are undeniably part of Eve, this is basically no different. sure they are. but I think they are ALOT different. in theory at least, an alliance would be a.. erm, alliance... of several/many independently functional corporations with similar views and ideals or whatnot. of course theoretically some geographic connection as well. theres no signifigant "managability" problems with an alliance of 1300 people, if its divided into half a dozen groups of 200 and some, each group would be independently functional and operative as its own corp.... at least it seems to me thats how the alliance thing is MEANT to be. again, I admit this could be wholely my bias against ultra-huge corps/guilds/whatever. but I don't see why they should. I can't see how with that many people a corp would be corp-like at all. but I can't imagine it'd hurt much to have it avaliable... so why not. I don't even want to think about how the politics in such an absurdly huge corp would be... People need access to the Corp Hangar. We can't just split up into 10 different mini-corps. Plus we are just like any other corp out there except with more people. We have 20-30 people on a PVP operation, or two groups of 10 people mining, etc. There is plenty of organization and virtually no drama. It all works out very well and is great for anyone who is actually in the corp and participating.
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.02.28 13:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Kery Nysell Edited by: Kery Nysell on 23/02/2006 16:58:48 You have 900 members of the race of the CEO ? If your have multiple races, a re-reading of the Ethnic Relations skill will solve your problem : Skill at operating multiracial corporations. Extra 20% corporation members of other race than CEO allowed per skill level. Percentage is based on CEO's corporation management skills, not the number of people in the corporation. That means that with maxed skills, you could have 1300 Amarrs (for example), and 1300 Caldaris, and 1300 Gallentes, and 1300 Minmatars, for a grand total of 5200 members. That skill also allows Jovian and Pirate characters, but as far as I know you can't make a character from those two races. I did a test when I had Corporation Management 2 and Ethnic Relations 1 : I asked a few friends to make a bunch of Caldari alts (since I'm Caldari), recruited them in my small 1-man corp until I was at 20 members, and then tried to recruit a few alts from the 3 other races ... it worked, at least up to the fourth of each race, when trying to recruit the fifth Gallente alt, the game told me I hadn't the skills for so many people in my corp. That was 10 months ago, it may have changed since then, but I doubt it. Ethnic relations doesn't do that. This is what the skill does: When you don't have the skill, you have a maximum amount of members following the corp management skills you have (Corporation Management, Megacorp Management etc). Let's say corp management 5 and megacorp 1, for a total of 100 maximum members. Now, without Ethnic Relations, you can have 100 members in total, of the same race as the CEO. No problem there. If you train Ethnic Relations to 1, 20% of those 100 members may be of another race - it doesn't add 20 members per race to it for a total of 160, but it keeps the limit on 100 [i]of which 20%[i] may be of another race. Now, i haven't checked whether it can be 20% amarr AND 20% gallente with a minnie ceo, but Ethnic Relations sure as hell doesn't add to the maximum number of members.
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:43:00 - [35] Remi just deleted all those trial accounts you use, that will make your corp 50% smaller
bumcheekcity	Posted - 2006.02.28 23:06:00 - [36] As a plus point, there is a skill in the EVE Database, unpiblished, called "Soverignity". It require Empire Control V to use, and gives 1,000 extra memvbers per level for a Memory/Charisma 8x Multiplier. So they may plan to release it soon! -- bumcheekcity
Rick Hunter	Posted - 2006.03.01 06:34:00 - [37] The skill you need is slated for release soon enough. It is called "sovereignty" and gived +1000 aditional players per level. IMO Goon Fleet is heading for disaster, I mean no disrespect but whenever you just accept every application that comes into your Corp your doing nothng but killing yourself. As the former holder of EvE "Biggest Corp" I can say this with some measure of expierance. CLS hit 600 memebrs before we starting splitting and cleaning, 4 corp thefts later we are edging twords 500 again and have several alt Corps. CLS gets about 20 new applications a day, if we really wanted to I bet I could inflate CLS to 1300 alt spy.. errr I mean members in about 2 weeks. About the only thing I envy about GF at this point is the stupid amount of TAX income you must be getting. Good luck. Perhaps one day GF will become a real force in EvE that we can all enjoy hunting. -CYVOK-
CYVOK	Posted - 2006.03.01 06:38:00 - [38] Edited by: CYVOK on 01/03/2006 06:42:41 Doh!!! Yeah, thats one of my alt's.... I will look to see if I have SS withthe actual skill but here is a teaser. http://www.celestial-horizon.net/ccp/test2.jpg FYI: This was a test account. -CYVOK-
bumcheekcity	Posted - 2006.03.01 07:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Rick Hunter The skill you need is slated for release soon enough. It is called "sovereignty" and gived +1000 aditional players per level. D'you ever get this impression of deja vu? :P -- bumcheekcity
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:57:00 - [40] Edited by: Kery Nysell on 01/03/2006 10:58:09 Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Kery Nysell Edited by: Kery Nysell on 23/02/2006 16:58:48 You have 900 members of the race of the CEO ? If your have multiple races, a re-reading of the Ethnic Relations skill will solve your problem : Skill at operating multiracial corporations. Extra 20% corporation members of other race than CEO allowed per skill level. Percentage is based on CEO's corporation management skills, not the number of people in the corporation. That means that with maxed skills, you could have 1300 Amarrs (for example), and 1300 Caldaris, and 1300 Gallentes, and 1300 Minmatars, for a grand total of 5200 members. That skill also allows Jovian and Pirate characters, but as far as I know you can't make a character from those two races. I did a test when I had Corporation Management 2 and Ethnic Relations 1 : I asked a few friends to make a bunch of Caldari alts (since I'm Caldari), recruited them in my small 1-man corp until I was at 20 members, and then tried to recruit a few alts from the 3 other races ... it worked, at least up to the fourth of each race, when trying to recruit the fifth Gallente alt, the game told me I hadn't the skills for so many people in my corp. That was 10 months ago, it may have changed since then, but I doubt it. Ethnic relations doesn't do that. This is what the skill does: When you don't have the skill, you have a maximum amount of members following the corp management skills you have (Corporation Management, Megacorp Management etc). Let's say corp management 5 and megacorp 1, for a total of 100 maximum members. Now, without Ethnic Relations, you can have 100 members in total, of the same race as the CEO. No problem there. If you train Ethnic Relations to 1, 20% of those 100 members may be of another race - it doesn't add 20 members per race to it for a total of 160, but it keeps the limit on 100 of which 20% may be of another race. Now, i haven't checked whether it can be 20% amarr AND 20% gallente with a minnie ceo, but Ethnic Relations sure as hell doesn't add to the maximum number of members. Well, it seems the description of the skill is misleading, and the test I did ten months ago is completely fubared ... I rechecked my skill, there is a line saying "non race corporation member bonus 20" in the attributes panel of the Ethnic Relations skill, and you can find "corporation member bonus 10" in the attributes panel of the Corporation Management skill ...
Remedial	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:31:00 - [41] Oh god no response yet he;lp
GOGO Green	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Remedial The last newbie drive alone netted 250 active members and about 250 more trial accounts that ended up not subscribing. Well, of course. What noob wouldn't jump at the chance to hop in a T1 frig with stabs along with 100 of his closest friends? You get to experience the worst lag ever (every time you fight!) Plus you get to cause your enemies to crash and pick through their cans. sounds really great huh?
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:32:00 - [43] Good luck with the skill :) How do you handle the 1000 item limit in any storage space with so many members with kit needs? Do you just have billions of station warehouses?
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:34:00 - [44] Please don't add this skill until captitol smartbombs are introduced.
neccette	Posted - 2006.03.03 22:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Rick Hunter IMO Goon Fleet is heading for disaster, I mean no disrespect but whenever you just accept every application that comes into your Corp your doing nothng but killing yourself. -CYVOK- we don't just accept everyone who wants in, our recruitment is actually kinda strict. It's just that we come from another community on the internet so we don't take just anyone who applies in game, only people from the other place. There is a built in comradrie because of that so problems are not that big. The biggest problem we've had in the past was Eve vetrans who felt the deserved something just because they had more SP than others. Those people don't last long in goonfleet. As far as corp theft goes... ya, we had one guy who stole about 25m isk worth of modules and another one that stole 40 or so frigates. All the expensive stuff is locked up with limited access to only directors.
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.03.06 08:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Rick Hunter About the only thing I envy about GF at this point is the stupid amount of TAX income you must be getting. Remedial wouldn't let me out of the basement for a week last time i critisised how we spend our taxes. More newbies for the newbie throne!
Xhieron	Posted - 2006.03.07 04:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Please don't add this skill until captitol smartbombs are introduced. ... yeah, I have to agree on that one. If the Sovereignty skill is slated for release, the only thing I ask is that it have the most ridiculous multiplier in the game. Discourage people. No corp, anywhere, ever, needs more than 1300 members... ever, ever, ever. I believe, sincerely, that a CEO should be able to manage exactly as many members as he or she can remember by name. Give him/her a piece of paper and a pen, and a couple hours, and when the time's up, however many names are on the list are however many that can stay. In a corp with 1300 members, one of two things happens: 1. All non-elite/tenured/administrating members are numbers. CEO and his buddies manage 1000 noobs who contribute to the corp's coffers and believe they're getting a good deal because they get a new ship every now and then and get to mine the shiny stuff. 2. The corp is cliques. Groups of anywhere from 3 to 200 end up in a type of pseudo-isolation within the corp, and have allegiance to the corp at large only so far as they benefit from the corp. In the former situation, the corporation itself isn't a corporation. It's an isk-funnel for the management. Kudos for the accomplishment, but it's not the kind of thing I can see endorsing on an even larger scale. In the latter situation, you've already got an alliance in everything but name, and I would even be in favor of forcibly dividing the corp up and making it pay the alliance maintenence costs like everyone else. A corporation in the classical sense is a functional undertaking. I can see having 1300 employees in a business that keeps regular hours, pays set wages, and expects a certain kind of specialized productivity from the employees. Eve corporations are hard-pressed to do that, though, since there are far too many variables relevant to individual members. At best, a corporation in Eve is first social, and in some instances secondly functional. At the very least, though, I can't think of a single undertaking in Eve that needs 1300 members of one corp to do, that couldn't be more fairly managed by an alliance. But hey... what do I know? I'm just a newb. X.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.03.07 14:49:00 - [48] I don't think you know anything about GoonFleet from the tinfoil-hat-wearing *orporate-*ontrol diatribe that you posted above. We aren't "cliquish" and the newbies aren't toiling away mining Veldspar asteroids for the greater glory of the management. If anything, you have a better chance of getting rich as a newbie in GoonFleet than in virtually any other corp. Who else lets two day old players mine crokite and takes them on 10/10 complex runs?
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.03.07 15:17:00 - [49] Originally by: GOGO Green Originally by: Remedial The last newbie drive alone netted 250 active members and about 250 more trial accounts that ended up not subscribing. Well, of course. What noob wouldn't jump at the chance to hop in a T1 frig with stabs along with 100 of his closest friends? You get to experience the worst lag ever (every time you fight!) Plus you get to cause your enemies to crash and pick through their cans. sounds really great huh? Shut your pie hole and go use shipfit. Any idiot should know that stabs and any sort of combat setup on a T1 frigate are incompatible.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:20:00 - [50] I've lived in towns with as many as 20,000 people before, and they seem to work just fine. I see little reason why an Eve based political entity would be any less able to opperate in such nubmers then a real world entity. You just have to put togther a functional governance, that's all. Harry Voyager
Happydayz	Posted - 2006.03.07 21:47:00 - [51] Edited by: Happydayz on 07/03/2006 21:52:43 Can we get an answer from CCP on this? This one corp alone brings over $10,000 a month to CCP in subscription fees from people who would never have even heard of this game, let alone subscribed, had it not been for corp's aggressive recruitment policies. So I don't think that's asking all that much from a customer service perspective. Is it simply not feasible to add a new skill outside of a major content patch? Is CCP opposed to allowing a corp grow past 1300 members due to gameplay issues? Is there a nefarious Illuminati plot going on in Sweden that we should know about?
Freeside	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Happydayz Edited by: Happydayz on 07/03/2006 21:52:43 Can we get an answer from CCP on this? Pleeeeeeeeease?
Ricky WIlliams	Posted - 2006.03.10 07:21:00 - [53] Originally by: Happydayz Edited by: Happydayz on 07/03/2006 21:52:43 Can we get an answer from CCP on this? This one corp alone brings over $10,000 a month to CCP in subscription fees from people who would never have even heard of this game, let alone subscribed, had it not been for corp's aggressive recruitment policies. So I don't think that's asking all that much from a customer service perspective. Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen.
bumcheekcity	Posted - 2006.03.10 07:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen. I dont think GoonFleet requesting a skill to get them MORE MEMBERS so they can bring CCP MORE MONEY is actually excessive. It's hardly pandering, giving them this skill. -- bumcheekcity
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.03.11 06:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Originally by: Happydayz Edited by: Happydayz on 07/03/2006 21:52:43 Can we get an answer from CCP on this? This one corp alone brings over $10,000 a month to CCP in subscription fees from people who would never have even heard of this game, let alone subscribed, had it not been for corp's aggressive recruitment policies. So I don't think that's asking all that much from a customer service perspective. Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen. You do realize anyone would be able to buy this skill, right?
Happydayz	Posted - 2006.03.11 17:20:00 - [56] Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen. So by your logic CCP should not spend any time QA'ing carriers, capital ships, and outposts for bugs since only a handful of older players can benefit from them? The situations in both of these cases are generally the same. A player or group of players have expanded in a direction faster then CCP can handle. Asking them to adapt to this is hardly a case of demanding favoritism.
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.03.14 19:15:00 - [57] Goonfleet has 743 members Goonwaffe has 308 and there are 184 pending applications to both corporations combined we figure that we might have 300 inactives (we culled everyone who didn't post in a thread between Feb 1 and Feb 14 so at that point we had none). we may have 150, 200 alt characters who could be shunted to a holding corp. So yeah can we please have this sovereignty skill?
Remedial	Posted - 2006.03.16 14:41:00 - [58] GF - 785 members GW - 374 members ==================== Total 1159 members Oveur said in another thread that he had heard that GF had to split up because they hit the game's limit. Please CCP, release sovereignty. It doesn't effect game balance at all and it would help us dramatically.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.16 23:35:00 - [59] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 16/03/2006 23:38:32 Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Originally by: Happydayz Can we get an answer from CCP on this? This one corp alone brings over $10,000 a month to CCP in subscription fees from people who would never have even heard of this game, let alone subscribed, had it not been for corp's aggressive recruitment policies. So I don't think that's asking all that much from a customer service perspective. Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen. Right since the skill would only be available to Goonfleet right? Wrong... Stupid alt. On top of that seeding the skill on the market would be nearly no effort, considering Goonfleet recruited more players to eve then anyone else in this game i wouldnt consider adding the skill to the market too much to ask. But then, youre an alt in an NPC corp, what do you know about running corps? ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Ricky WIlliams	Posted - 2006.03.17 03:12:00 - [60] Edited by: Ricky WIlliams on 17/03/2006 03:12:23 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 16/03/2006 23:38:32 Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Originally by: Happydayz Can we get an answer from CCP on this? This one corp alone brings over $10,000 a month to CCP in subscription fees from people who would never have even heard of this game, let alone subscribed, had it not been for corp's aggressive recruitment policies. So I don't think that's asking all that much from a customer service perspective. Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen. Right since the skill would only be available to Goonfleet right? Wrong... Stupid alt. On top of that seeding the skill on the market would be nearly no effort, considering Goonfleet recruited more players to eve then anyone else in this game i wouldnt consider adding the skill to the market too much to ask. But then, youre an alt in an NPC corp, what do you know about running corps? Please dont insult your own intelligence Having it be available and knowing there is only one corp that could actually use it are two totally different things. Once again you suggest that " considering Goonfleet recruited more players to eve then anyone else in this game i wouldnt consider adding the skill to the market too much to ask". Thanks for making my point..... "We contribute X ammount to the player base so we should get what we want". Maybe I am a stupid alt (although I disagree obviously), but I would rather be that than a stupid main
Remedial	Posted - 2006.03.17 04:42:00 - [61] Rather than debate the merits of whether we deserve it for bringing members or not, I would simply ask if CCP really meant to limit corps to the arbitrary number of 1300 members. I would argue that no such limit was intended, but rather nobody expected corps to get that big without splitting apart into subcorps, so nobody bothered releasing a skill past Empire Control (which at V allows the formation of alliances). If there's no specific reason to bar 1301 members, then I think that they should simply release sovereignty.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.17 09:23:00 - [62] Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Having it be available and knowing there is only one corp that could actually use it are two totally different things. Obviously there will never be any other large corporations that could make use of the skill. Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Maybe I am a stupid alt (although I disagree obviously), but I would rather be that than a stupid main You are both actually. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
DarkStar251	Posted - 2006.03.17 11:40:00 - [63] I always saw EVE as a game where there should be a handfull of huge corps (all the alliances in EVE should be BIG CORPS imho) and I hate the attitude of 'i wanna be the boss' that leads every n00b and his dog to create a 5 man corp. I wholeheatedly support goonfleet in their demands for the release of the Sov skill, and I really hope CCP listen. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Copine Callmeknau	Posted - 2006.03.17 12:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Originally by: Ricky WIlliams Originally by: Happydayz Edited by: Happydayz on 07/03/2006 21:52:43 Can we get an answer from CCP on this? This one corp alone brings over $10,000 a month to CCP in subscription fees from people who would never have even heard of this game, let alone subscribed, had it not been for corp's aggressive recruitment policies. So I don't think that's asking all that much from a customer service perspective. Statements like this are exactly why they should not EVER put this skill in. No one corp needs to have so many members that CCP feels it necessary to pander to them. If one corp gets special treatment because they contribute more in subscription fees than others thats a sad day for EVE. CCP should never let this happen. You do realize anyone would be able to buy this skill, right? Please release this skill, purely because i lolled at Berrik's sig.....twice ------- With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.03.17 14:17:00 - [65] Not really sure why, reading through this thread, there is an argument against releasing a skill that allows for even more players in a corp. I mean, if Goonfleet have maxed or are about to max the limit then the fact that they're the only corp to do this so far isn't really a reason not to release the next corp skill. Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Ikvar Not really sure why, reading through this thread, there is an argument against releasing a skill that allows for even more players in a corp. I mean, if Goonfleet have maxed or are about to max the limit then the fact that they're the only corp to do this so far isn't really a reason not to release the next corp skill. Yeah, not releasing this skill because of that is like saying: We won't release the next bigger clone size until 30% of the player base have a reason to use it... Anyway, unless there is intended as a hard limit by the Devs, there is no reason not to realease it... especially with the minimal work involved. People streching the evelope and hitting limits like this should be rewarded not punished... --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.03.18 16:50:00 - [67] Bump for TomB
Biancha	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:09:00 - [68] 1. what other community that you referred to, are you recruiting from, just kinda curious there 2. just got the second level of mega corp for my mates and i, cool to watch it grow, but i cant imagine 1301 peeps in one corp. kudos to you for pulling it off, and id vote for it as an add on to kali
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:05:00 - [69] The thing that most people seem to be missing is that Goonfleet is a corp, not an alliance. Even though we split into GF and GW, we consider ourselves part of the same corpotation, but there are a number of logistical issues which now haave become an issue. For example, if someone asks for some small beam lasers, I cannot simply say "look in the corp hanger" because their corp hanger will be differant. Standings have to be kept in line. Wars have to be declared twice. Wars can be declared on half the corp by our enemies. Most of these issues can be resolved by being part of an alliance, but we are not an alliance. We are not two seperate corporations with similar goals, we are one corporation being forced to split into two because the skill to support us is not avaliable even though it is technically 'in-game'. I am sure Remedial would rather pay 2 billion for the skill than pay 2 billion to create an Alliance. Unless the skill is broken in some way, or the developers simply do not want corporations of our size (if so why allow alliances to be bigger), I see no reason why the developers should not introduce the skill to the game. ___
Lori Carlyle	Posted - 2006.03.23 19:53:00 - [70] To use random numbers here, if they add the skill that allows say 1000 players into a single corp, and that corp then joins an alliance of say two other corps both pushing the 1000 limit mark, said alliance, moves into or close by the same systems, creatin one hell of a lag storm, they get bored of empire and go 0.0 here we come, 1st few systems become yours givin the fact you have 1500 players in there (1/2 total member cound to allow for online//offline players and diffrent time zones) no matter how you look at it, or how you think you need it, IMO having a limit on corps and alliance sizes are there for a reason, even the most powerful 0.0 alliances out there would fall to 1500 player blob (if the server don't first) the attacking force would not care about ship type, it would be down to weight of numbers. to look at it another way, If BoB and Stain formed up and started attaking near by corps, how far do you think that alliance would get before CCP added a limit (don't know if there is one) to how many systems a single corp or alliance could hold. so to sum up, your asking for the I win button from my view. PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN Eris <3 Meh! Me Need Sig..
SengH	Posted - 2006.03.23 20:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Lori Carlyle To use random numbers here, if they add the skill that allows say 1000 players into a single corp, and that corp then joins an alliance of say two other corps both pushing the 1000 limit mark, said alliance, moves into or close by the same systems, creatin one hell of a lag storm, they get bored of empire and go 0.0 here we come, 1st few systems become yours givin the fact you have 1500 players in there (1/2 total member cound to allow for online//offline players and diffrent time zones) no matter how you look at it, or how you think you need it, IMO having a limit on corps and alliance sizes are there for a reason, even the most powerful 0.0 alliances out there would fall to 1500 player blob (if the server don't first) the attacking force would not care about ship type, it would be down to weight of numbers. to look at it another way, If BoB and Stain formed up and started attaking near by corps, how far do you think that alliance would get before CCP added a limit (don't know if there is one) to how many systems a single corp or alliance could hold. so to sum up, your asking for the I win button from my view. At the peak.. .5. had 9 regions before we pulled out from the south. CCP doesnt need to do anything, the sheer logistics of managing that many POSes puts in a limit.
GusHobbleton	Posted - 2006.03.24 01:01:00 - [72] Originally by: Lori Carlyle To use random numbers here, if they add the skill that allows say 1000 players into a single corp, and that corp then joins an alliance of say two other corps both pushing the 1000 limit mark, said alliance, moves into or close by the same systems, creatin one hell of a lag storm, they get bored of empire and go 0.0 here we come, 1st few systems become yours givin the fact you have 1500 players in there (1/2 total member cound to allow for online//offline players and diffrent time zones) no matter how you look at it, or how you think you need it, IMO having a limit on corps and alliance sizes are there for a reason, even the most powerful 0.0 alliances out there would fall to 1500 player blob (if the server don't first) the attacking force would not care about ship type, it would be down to weight of numbers. to look at it another way, If BoB and Stain formed up and started attaking near by corps, how far do you think that alliance would get before CCP added a limit (don't know if there is one) to how many systems a single corp or alliance could hold. so to sum up, your asking for the I win button from my view. But that "I Win" button already exists in the form of alliances, which have no limit (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong). There is no logical reason to bar corporations from exceeding 1300 members, unless there's some sort of database issue which we don't know about. But this debate is pretty much moot anyway. We'll have to wait for an answer from one of the devs. ...Please? ---------------
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.24 02:11:00 - [73] Agreed with Remedial. Basically, two words: Why not? There's no reason why Goonfleet can't have more than 1300 members. Forcing them to have multiple corps doesn't disadvantage them, its simply a stupid unnecessary hassle. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Brisi	Posted - 2006.03.24 15:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Dark Shikari Agreed with Remedial. Basically, two words: Why not? There's no reason why Goonfleet can't have more than 1300 members. Forcing them to have multiple corps doesn't disadvantage them, its simply a stupid unnecessary hassle. I agree. Seed the damn skill on the market!
Tyrien Maladarr	Posted - 2006.03.24 17:23:00 - [75] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: Dark Shikari Agreed with Remedial. Basically, two words: Why not? There's no reason why Goonfleet can't have more than 1300 members. Forcing them to have multiple corps doesn't disadvantage them, its simply a stupid unnecessary hassle. I agree. Seed the damn skill on the market! Yes, please do, having multiple corps leads to a number of unnecessary hassles indeed.
Xachar	Posted - 2006.03.24 17:26:00 - [76] Please do this, there's no reason not to, any corp can get the skill if they want it so theres no balance issues. Whats wrong with having alot of members in our corp, there are bigger alliances than us and you dont see any 1300 person limits on them.
Dhannik	Posted - 2006.03.26 16:30:00 - [77] Having two corps is a pain in the butt for trying to limit escrows to corp. For that reason alone, com'on guys
Crackfarmer	Posted - 2006.03.26 16:30:00 - [78] Posting to say WE NEED THIS SKILL OH GOD
Milivikal DeWrar	Posted - 2006.03.26 16:43:00 - [79] It would be nice to be one big happy family in every sense. Pleeeeeeeease.
Epyx Rand	Posted - 2006.03.26 17:08:00 - [80] Adding another voice to the cause. Unless it comes down to server issues, there isn't a logical reason for the 1300 member limit. I love my Goon Waffe brothers, and wish we could all hold hands and sing Kumbaya as one happy corp.
Corphus	Posted - 2006.03.26 19:12:00 - [81] Originally by: Remedial Moved from EVE General Discussion to Skills forum - Jacques' GoonFleet hit 900 people a day ago, and we have started to purge out as many inactives as we can find. Judging from a thread that I poll that I posted, we still have over 550 active members and about 75 alts - and this is snowballing faster and faster. In a few months, even if I have Empire Control V, we'll still be up against the 1300 person limit. The last newbie drive alone netted 250 active members and about 250 more trial accounts that ended up not subscribing. We'd rather not split off and form subcorps, as we have some common resources that can't be sent across different corporate hangars. Plus it's cool all being in the same corp, with the same exact rules, same leadership to which to appeal when the newbies need things, etc. Would it be possible to just put a skillbook in the game that cost 100-300M isk that allowed +500 or +1000 people in the corp per level? I highly doubt we'll ever need 5000 or whatever spots, but it would at least fix our problem in the near future. Thanks for reading, even if you decide not to. goon fleet + goon waffe + goon --insert surname-- = GOON ALLIANCE [GOON]
pyr8t	Posted - 2006.03.26 20:37:00 - [82] Edited by: pyr8t on 26/03/2006 20:37:03 To the poster who said "goonfleet accepts just anybody" ... I have no idea where this comment came from, I tried to get into both goonfleet and goonwaffe and was rejected from both.... so if it was that easy to get in then i'd be in the corp already, but i'm not so it isn't. btw -- why wasn't I let in anyway? This game is so harsh on new players it's not even funny.
Calenth	Posted - 2006.03.27 00:11:00 - [83] Originally by: pyr8t Edited by: pyr8t on 26/03/2006 20:37:03 so if it was that easy to get in then i'd be in the corp already, but i'm not so it isn't. btw -- why wasn't I let in anyway? This game is so harsh on new players it's not even funny. It's nothing personal, but you're right, we do have a fairly specific and strict recruitment policy. Basically you have to come to us from a specific place outside of eve -- we don't recruit inside the game itself.
Na'amah	Posted - 2006.03.27 18:16:00 - [84] Which sucks the big one, because I can't justify spending $10 to sign up and make one post like "HAI DOODS LEMME IN CORP LOL!!." GBS = teh funnaye at 4am when I'm bored. Beyond that, my $10 would be squanderd ;)
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.03.28 02:47:00 - [85] Edited by: Stahlregen on 28/03/2006 02:50:47 Edited by: Stahlregen on 28/03/2006 02:47:41 Originally by: Na'amah Which sucks the big one, because I can't justify spending $10 to sign up and make one post like "HAI DOODS LEMME IN CORP LOL!!." Which is exactly why we wouldnt want you in anyway because we know you wont take it seriously. Please release the skill already, as of this posting we are already at 1553 members, I am one of the head honchos for recruitment at goonfleet so i can say (with alot of supporting evidence to) that judging from the player influx trend it looks like we pull in 500+ players every recruitment drive which occurs roughly every two months and outside of the recruitment drives we get 10+ new pilots every day. Its becoming a very real possibility that we will be forced to divide into three corps and we are running out of names to prefix with 'Goon' "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Maxim Powers	Posted - 2006.03.28 16:02:00 - [86] Please release this skill!
Shugo Kazuma	Posted - 2006.03.28 20:16:00 - [87] Originally by: Biancha 1. what other community that you referred to, are you recruiting from, just kinda curious there If I'm not mistaken, all (or most of) their members are from the "Something Awful" web forums.
Dhannik	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:37:00 - [88] All the idiot corps that war-dec us constantly thinking we're newbie easy kills are always too stupid to know we're two corps now so us in GoonWaffe have to sit out from ganking their freighters by Jita
neccette	Posted - 2006.03.28 22:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Corphus goon fleet + goon waffe + goon --insert surname-- = GOON ALLIANCE [GOON] u get a channel and a special mailing system aswell as the cool image of an entity within the empires of eve. comon how many corps can say "we were to big so we got to make an alliance"...and btw 1300+ members are more than most alliances get together. While the alliance thing sounds like an answer, With our corp structure, An alliance is just the same as we have now and I have to say the last few weeks has been a pain. Like others outlined, we can't just say get it out of the corp hangar because there are now two seperate corp hangars requiring twice the people to keep clean and filled, twice the people to give out ships to newbies, twice the rent for offices we ahve to pay, we have to war dec with both corps when we attack someone, twice the standings that have to be set, etc.. These things cannot just be fixed with an alliance.
Xnay Larua	Posted - 2006.03.28 23:19:00 - [90] Please CCP, release the sovereignty skill
Malcavi	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:02:00 - [91] Dear CCP, Please release the skill that will allow Goonfleet to be one corp again instead of two.
Chava Rishona	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:03:00 - [92] Yeah, we'd really appreciate it. <3, GoonFleet and GoonWaffe
Ramondo Fugi	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:03:00 - [93] Please release the skill that will let all of the goons be together in each other's perfect harmony within one corp.
Intervention	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:06:00 - [94] Please CCP, release this skill? Running multiple corps as one is an administrative nightmare :(
ArmaDuck	Posted - 2006.03.29 02:15:00 - [95] I wish to be in perfect harmony with my GoonWaffe brethren. Please release the skill!
Liucinda	Posted - 2006.03.29 05:44:00 - [96] please realize this skill CCP, then we will only need to pass one corp in bloody color and not 2! And it will be easier for peeps to war on one corp and not 2!
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.03.29 16:23:00 - [97] Additionally it is impossible to restrict Escrow to the corp now. I can either make the Escrow global, to Goonfleet or Goonwaffe only, or to indivuals. Selling BPC's internally to the corp through escrow is now impossibel, because only half of us can see/claim it. ___
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.03.29 16:53:00 - [98] It'd be nice to atleast hear something from CCP about this. Please guys, what harm would it do to release sovreignty?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.03.29 17:53:00 - [99] If you create an alliance, at least, the escrow and war issues are resolved. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.03.29 21:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Dark Shikari If you create an alliance, at least, the escrow and war issues are resolved. I think they enjoy the war decs. As for my opinion: CCP should seed the skill This sig is yellow - Ductoris
Ela Deldora	Posted - 2006.03.30 01:58:00 - [101] Edited by: Ela Deldora on 30/03/2006 01:58:18 .
deadtear	Posted - 2006.03.30 04:17:00 - [102] CCP Please release Sovreignty, trying to help out any new recruits in our 2 seperate corps is an exercise in utter frustration.
Vile rat	Posted - 2006.03.30 09:14:00 - [103] It would be a wonderful thing to have one corp again. It truly is irritating! Please release the skill.
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.03.30 17:48:00 - [104] Originally by: Vile rat It would be a wonderful thing to have one corp again. It truly is irritating! Please release the skill. It's not just irritating, I feel like I'm drifting away from my bloodbrothers in GoonWaffe, we've even had reports of uprisings in station 4 that had to be put down violently, several hundred goons loyal to Doctor Draw got killed and dozens were arrested. It's rumored that the great Remedial and the slightly weaker but ruggedly handsome Doctor Draw will be facing off on planet 3 at dusk tonight to finally settle their dispute over who the baddest cat is. Please CCP release the sovreignty skill and let us end this without bloodshed, millions will die if you do not. Please. For the families of Planet 3.
xeom	Posted - 2006.03.30 22:15:00 - [105] Althought it is great having goonfleet fly around sence i am with good standings with them.I must say i think CCP wanted these effects.It is already hard enough to manage a sizable corp and have to worry about splintering.I think they might have wanted all this strife,which is why we have alliances.Which corps are always leaving and joining.And with all this extra work having to be done two times i can see a split. Then agian i think goonfleet has everyone beat there too.As they have a bit of extra leverage with SA.Not sure if they do and they probably don't but they could say if you hurt goonfleet you're banned from SA,or something of the sort. ---------------------- O Snapz!
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.03.31 00:49:00 - [106] Originally by: xeom Althought it is great having goonfleet fly around sence i am with good standings with them.I must say i think CCP wanted these effects.It is already hard enough to manage a sizable corp and have to worry about splintering.I think they might have wanted all this strife,which is why we have alliances.Which corps are always leaving and joining.And with all this extra work having to be done two times i can see a split. Zorlag is being an idiot, There isnt any strife its just plain ******* annoying, Stupid little things that no one takes into considerations becomes a major pain in the ass, I wont go into them because thats already been done over the past 3 pages. Its something unintended by CCP but now its happened and they need to do something about it. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Sjoor	Posted - 2006.03.31 11:50:00 - [107] As much as I start to dislike blobs and big corps, I gotto say that goonfleet has made an impact on this game. Personally I advice all new players that I talk to, to join goonfleet, and forget about the 2-3 months learning skills. Have some fun first. No better way to explore eve than join these idiots. Who in his right mind wants to control a 1000+ player corp, just for being that crazy and dedicated to a 'game' goonfleet deserves the damn skill. Enjoy
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.01 00:21:00 - [108] Originally by: Sjoor Personally I advice all new players that I talk to, to join goonfleet, and forget about the 2-3 months learning skills. Have some fun first. Thats great and all, But we dont recruit from the public so all of them will be turned away. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Ingress	Posted - 2006.04.03 01:43:00 - [109] CCP please look into releasing this skill.
Chicken Supreme	Posted - 2006.04.03 06:09:00 - [110] Please release this skill.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:04:00 - [111] Please release this skill. Also 6 weeks without a dev response = the suck.
Raserina	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:16:00 - [112] Please release this skill.
CitzNo 097864	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:20:00 - [113] If you don't give us the skill we're going to kill a puppy.
Dungar Loghoth	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:22:00 - [114] Come on CCP, give us one less headache to worry about.
Praetor Invictus	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:33:00 - [115] Let there be one.
AdmiralSexyPants	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:38:00 - [116] I have been a member of both GoonFleet and GoonWaffe, having moved from GoonFleet to GoonWaffe once we grew to large. After a week, I had to go back and join GoonFleet simply because I wanted to help the corp out by taking items out of the corporate hanger to manufacture goods, something I was not able to do while in GoonWaffe. Please seed the skill, CCP. We're a good corp (group of corps currently)! We're not asking for a god-type ship that is undefeatable! All we are asking is for you to release a single skill that will make life easy for a corporation that brings you in $10K-20K a month in game revenue AND brings in hundreds of new game players every few months. Is that really so much to ask? So, please release Sovereingty so we can become one single corporation again. Or at the very least, please respond to us so we know that you are reading this. Thank you.
Treylis	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:38:00 - [117] This skill would be tremendously helpful if released. There's really no good reason for it not to be.
Typhaeon	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:42:00 - [118] I'd like this skill to be released.
Ceist	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:45:00 - [119] Verily do I yearn to reunite with my brothers and sisters. Please allow us to fly again under a single banner.
Solo Drakban	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:46:00 - [120] Adding my voice to the request for the release of this skill. Being GoonFleet's sometimes forgotten stepchild makes for sad pilots.
Anti Derivative	Posted - 2006.04.04 02:59:00 - [121] I would be happy (and I'm sure Goonfleet as a whole would be happy) if a dev, or someone on their behalf would be kind enough as to just give a status on this skill, or a reason why it is unfeasable to implement. It really is just the silence surrounding it that is provoking this unrest moreso than the lack of the skill. I'm sure most of us would be very understanding as to any constraints on the ability to put it into the game post haste. Barring that, send me the source and i'll put it in :)
Leeta Valdari	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:01:00 - [122] Edited by: Leeta Valdari on 04/04/2006 03:03:50 Edited by: Leeta Valdari on 04/04/2006 03:02:59 Why not give them the skill - or at least respond and tell them why not. Six weeks is a long time to ignore a thread.
DESTROYINATOR	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:02:00 - [123] Please release the skill.
Unaz	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:03:00 - [124] Remedial has threatened to put my baby in GoonWaffe. Don't let him take my baby CCP. Don't let him take my baby away!
Richard Ramirez	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:04:00 - [125] Edited by: Richard Ramirez on 04/04/2006 03:04:10 Release Sovereingty -Unite the fleets!
Merten Holis	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:06:00 - [126] CCP, please release Sovereignty.
Demon Knight	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:07:00 - [127] While I have not been shunted off into the relatively hangarless goonwaffe, I must plead for the reuinion of our lost bretheren. edit: release the skill, please?
Xerku Mhar	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:07:00 - [128] Don't release Zerg Control.
Borknagar	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:10:00 - [129] Please to be releasing. kthx
TheDarkAvenger	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:13:00 - [130] Please release this skill. If you do I promise to buy a power of 2 account and try and convert as many gamers as possible to eve addicts. Thanks.
Aegices	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:20:00 - [131] Please help us, CCP, you're our only hope
Noct	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:21:00 - [132] were like brothers with different mothers and being split sucks :( please release the skill
SAjunidog	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:24:00 - [133] Releasing this skill would be very cool, just so you know, CCP.
Whiskey Juvenile	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:26:00 - [134] As a director, having to shuttle back and forth between corporations to deal with our BPOs is really a hassle. Release the new skill, please! (ps: We're paying you $15,000 a month!)
Six Anari	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:27:00 - [135] An update on when this skill might be coming would be wonderful, CCP!
DoubleNeg	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:28:00 - [136] Dear CCP, please release information of this well needed skill.
Conan Shlatz	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:33:00 - [137] This would make a great game even greater, with one less hassle to worry about.
Ms Bookmarks	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:33:00 - [138] This skill would be very useful.
Odilatinam	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:33:00 - [139] Originally by: Dark Shikari If you create an alliance, at least, the escrow and war issues are resolved. But what if Goonfleet wants other corps in the alliance? Escrow to all, escrow to alliance, or escrow to half the corp?
Muscilage	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:38:00 - [140] Please release Sovereignity, I miss my Goonwaffe brethern!
Jetzor	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:41:00 - [141] This would be very helpful for our corp already busting at the seems. Thank you.
cytro cesare	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:41:00 - [142] Please release this, we'd love you for ever and ever!
MSGtypo	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:42:00 - [143] Originally by: Muscilage Please release Sovereignity, I miss my Goonwaffe brethern! We miss you too. CCP, please release the Sovereignity skill.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:43:00 - [144] There is no legitimate reason that this skill should not be seeded.
GusHobbleton	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:48:00 - [145] Namely, you must hand, directly. The sovreignty is mighty and beneficial. The lump and the sum becomes the devour all continent which continues. This, and the peaceful ocean under the omnipresent shadow it is to suffer! Do minding the sovreignty it is ok! ---------------
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:48:00 - [146] Please fix this, CCP.
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:49:00 - [147] We're about 1700 players now in both corps and while I'm sure we'll loose a couple of hundred over the next few weeks we'll still be way over the limit. Please CCP release the skillbook :-)
biggfoo	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:49:00 - [148] Releasing the skill would make you pretty . Please?
Keldjos Falzir	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:51:00 - [149] I raise my voice for and with my bretheren, release the damned skill, or at least talk to us.
Mulletstation	Posted - 2006.04.04 03:53:00 - [150] Our corp needs this badly. Thanks. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Exzer	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:00:00 - [151] Please release this skill.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:00:00 - [152] CCP please spawn more overlords. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
LD Outlaw	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:07:00 - [153] I think I would like this skill.
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:10:00 - [154] Please release this skill.
The Qat	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:10:00 - [155] Please add this skill, CCP.
Zeitgueist	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:19:00 - [156] Please to be releasing this skill, CCP.
Ashail	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:22:00 - [157] Edited by: Ashail on 04/04/2006 04:21:59 CCP please can we atleast get some acknowledgement here?
Christian Ethic	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:25:00 - [158] I have to have characters in both corps just to handle the recruit's applications, Its really, really difficult to keep track of people and is already starting to drive me insane, Please can we have this skill seeded? Or atleast a reason for the holdup.
Chicken Supreme	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:29:00 - [159] We would really appreciate this skill.
Jost Moti	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:29:00 - [160] My character looks so sad because he's looking into the future, a future without Sovereignty. Please help make the future happy.
Pyrus Octavius	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:38:00 - [161] CCP, we need this sov skill PLEASE.
Iyaiko	Posted - 2006.04.04 04:46:00 - [162] Say, about that skill? Sovereignty. Yeah. If you could release that, that would be great. /lumberg
Eolais	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:16:00 - [163] Please look into creating a skillbook, it would be very beneficial and would contribute to the scalability of Eve.
Vile rat	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:21:00 - [164] Originally by: GusHobbleton Namely, you must hand, directly. The sovreignty is mighty and beneficial. The lump and the sum becomes the devour all continent which continues. This, and the peaceful ocean under the omnipresent shadow it is to suffer! Do minding the sovreignty it is ok! I'm not sure what he said exactly but I agree 100%. The corp cap is really hurting us in tangible ways right now and unless you truly intended a hard cap on corp size we really do need this skillbook released.
Cain Fortea	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:24:00 - [165] Please release this skill CCP. I would appreciate it.
St Alphonso	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:34:00 - [166] Please let us be one corp again, or at least let us know why it isn't possible. We appreciate all the hard work you guys put into this game and understand that you can't do everything, but this would really help us out a lot and we would at least like to hear what you have planned with regards to this skill.
Coriola Margeta	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:47:00 - [167] Cmon, release it already. You know you want to. Just hit the button, tick the box, whatever it takes.
Arc Tai	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:48:00 - [168] The Children of Waffe must return to the fold! We desire Sovereignty.
GameraChan	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:52:00 - [169] CCP we need this skill!
Noghri ViR	Posted - 2006.04.04 05:54:00 - [170] Please please please?
Guah Guah	Posted - 2006.04.04 06:02:00 - [171] Please release this skill CCP.
PopeZeus	Posted - 2006.04.04 06:05:00 - [172] Please fix this CCP. Thanks in advance, PopeZeus
Jemmy Bloocher	Posted - 2006.04.04 06:06:00 - [173] Edited by: Jemmy Bloocher on 04/04/2006 06:06:53 Come on, let them have the skill.
Navaron	Posted - 2006.04.04 06:29:00 - [174] We need this. Please.
Tarnish Katharr	Posted - 2006.04.04 06:38:00 - [175] Come on guys, release it, you know you want to.
Coriola Margeta	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:11:00 - [176] And now in Icelandic! ¦=knast gefa ·t the Fullveldi kunnßtta ¦egar f sta= CCP , vi= betla ¦·!
Dhannik	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:11:00 - [177] In training: 'Annoying CCP into Hopefully Release the Skill' (Rank 20) - Level 1
TraxusIV	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:46:00 - [178] 1684 Members. We would really apperciate this skill
Gumont	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:54:00 - [179] Please release the skill.
Rachekrieg	Posted - 2006.04.04 07:55:00 - [180] Please CCP, release the sovereignty skill. We require more overlords.
errno	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:11:00 - [181] Dear CCP Please release the skill Regards, errno
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:15:00 - [182] If Remedial has to create a thrid corp just to house us all I think his head may explode. Please think of Remedial's poor head and release the skill please. ___
Eloryan Persago	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:17:00 - [183] Dear The Creators of Eve Online, According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty) Sovereignty is the exclusive right to exercise supreme political (legislative, judicial and/or executive) authority over a geographic region, group of people or oneself. Please allow Remidial to excercise supreme political authority over us Thanks
Viscount Prawn	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:23:00 - [184] And now in Pig Latin, since I don't know any real languages well enough. PPCay Easeplay eleaseray overeigntysay. Eway eallyray eednay itay ithway allay esethay embersmay. Anksthay, Iscountvay Awnpray
Parapolizei	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:24:00 - [185] Please give us the skill. Its a big pain to be split between when it comes to wardecs.
Ryallan	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:31:00 - [186] Please to be of giving skill.
Kinuven	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:46:00 - [187] Please CCP, release the sovereignty skill.
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.04 08:50:00 - [188] Originally by: Viscount Prawn And now in Pig Latin, since I don't know any real languages well enough. PPCay Easeplay eleaseray overeigntysay. Eway eallyray eednay itay ithway allay esethay embersmay. Anksthay, Iscountvay Awnpray Wegge reggealleggy neggeed CeggCeggPegg teggo reggeleggeasegg thegge skeggillegg. ----------------------------------------- Wild Pig spawn in jungle, bring spear
Zapp Brannigan	Posted - 2006.04.04 09:03:00 - [189] Dear CCP, Please to be releasing this skill. Thanks Commander in Chief, Zapp Brannigan
Archaosus	Posted - 2006.04.04 09:28:00 - [190] Please release the soverignity skill
Xnay Larua	Posted - 2006.04.04 09:49:00 - [191] The release of this skill would make us all very happy.
Kiwillian	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:07:00 - [192] Skill Plz.
Zeiros	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:20:00 - [193] Dear CCP, Please to be releasing the sovreignty skill. Hugs and Kisses, Zeiros
Happydayz	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:25:00 - [194] A haiku What pains the heart more Then brothers separated Oh god, Sovereignty! or, how about: Fleet, waffes, pancakes How many breakfast entrees? Until we are one
spacebeaver	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:32:00 - [195] More skills for the skillthrone!
Caer Isen	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:36:00 - [196] Please release the sovereignty skill, please.
Incandenza	Posted - 2006.04.04 10:58:00 - [197] Please release the skill, CCP
Von Kleist	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:04:00 - [198] would you be so kind as to releasing the skill
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:13:00 - [199] Edited by: Stahlregen on 04/04/2006 11:13:09 This thread is now about rewriting song lyrics. Numbers are out best bet. Upon we rely. Goonfleet has reached the cap and now we dont feel fine Because our corp Is in two But inside your heart you know, You know just what to do. What about all of our needs? When will you start to seed? Can you release sovreignty please? Do it for us CCP! Cant you just change it? "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Michael Nester	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:34:00 - [200] give us sovereignty or give us death.
Sennju Zensu	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:36:00 - [201] stop spamming like noobs! CCP have already done a tool for 1000+ guys herd.... its the "Alliance" system. Goonfleet, Goonwaffe...soon Goon3rd maybe, all can be on same alliance tag [GOON]. Why CCP need to loose time creating a new skill for only 2 corp? they have enought job actually trying to make happy the other 24000 capsullers in the game. Stop being greedy and sutpid, you already have the tool you ask for. or maybe, with 1700 capsuleers you are unable to get 1B isk?!
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.04.04 11:53:00 - [202] Originally by: Sennju Zensu stop spamming like noobs! CCP have already done a tool for 1000+ guys herd.... its the "Alliance" system. Goonfleet, Goonwaffe...soon Goon3rd maybe, all can be on same alliance tag [GOON]. Why CCP need to loose time creating a new skill for only 2 corp? they have enought job actually trying to make happy the other 24000 capsullers in the game. Stop being greedy and sutpid, you already have the tool you ask for. or maybe, with 1700 capsuleers you are unable to get 1B isk?! The skill allready exists you dolt, they just need to seed it.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:22:00 - [203] Edited by: Stahlregen on 04/04/2006 12:23:16 Originally by: Sennju Zensu stop spamming like noobs! CCP have already done a tool for 1000+ guys herd.... its the "Alliance" system. Goonfleet, Goonwaffe...soon Goon3rd maybe, all can be on same alliance tag [GOON]. Why CCP need to loose time creating a new skill for only 2 corp? they have enought job actually trying to make happy the other 24000 capsullers in the game. Stop being greedy and sutpid, you already have the tool you ask for. or maybe, with 1700 capsuleers you are unable to get 1B isk?! Read the thread before posting again. And no one is spamming, We are just voicing each of our wishes. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.04.04 12:28:00 - [204] Somehow, I don't think that "zerging" this thread will do any good ... I suppose you have tried a petition ? It seems like a issue that prevent you from playing the game, from your point of view ... Since I use corp hangars in the same way as you, albeit on a much smaller scale, I can feel your pain ...
MSGtypo	Posted - 2006.04.04 14:30:00 - [205] Please release the skill, CCP. We want to bring more subscribing members into the game. This skill would help.
Raste	Posted - 2006.04.04 14:56:00 - [206] Would love to see this in game.
komrad	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:04:00 - [207] bump
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:06:00 - [208] It would be really really coooooool if you released this skill CCP. Cooler than Iceland.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:08:00 - [209] GoonFleet loves this game, and we want to support it. It is a shame to see the skill system limit its growth.
Adohan Zefyr	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:09:00 - [210] bump/request
coffeetable	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:21:00 - [211] I was going to compose an Ode To CCP Releasing Soverignty, but seeing as it hasn't been released yet, I can't.
duckmonster	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:32:00 - [212] Yeah. I'd like this too. Also, this thread is sort of like a forum version of a goonfleet blob. But yes, Remedial has been going mad and flying in circles and podding underlings. He needs the skill to appease him. HELP US CCP! YOUR OUR ONLY HOPE.
NationSA	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:36:00 - [213] This would be a good addition to the game.
Zorshad	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:38:00 - [214] Sovereignty. Demand it!
Hutchins	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:38:00 - [215] Please CCP. Release the skill. The strain of running two corps is starting to affect Rem's mind. He spent most of the day yesterday just tooling around in sad little circles out by the station and mumbling something about skittles. The opinions of this humble zergling are not neccessarily those of the Goonfleet Overmind.
Hoegaarden	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:45:00 - [216] Its burning my mind too. OH GOD THE BURNING. Please release it CCP? Dual corp structure is making our directors lose their minds.
Spazzle	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:46:00 - [217] Releasing this skill would make "Big Barley" content, possibly even happy.
Yasanni	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:47:00 - [218] Please give us Sovereignty
Cuthbert Jackboot	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:52:00 - [219] Please allow us to rejoin in blissful communion with our GoonFleet bretheren.
Unicue Barbecorn	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:55:00 - [220] Divorce and separation are traumatic to young children on some level, even if both parents remain on relatively friendly terms. Please consider releasing the skill that will reunite daddy GF with momma GW. Please... think of the children!!
Whiskey Juvenile	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:57:00 - [221] pleh esaelp
NoghriViR	Posted - 2006.04.04 15:59:00 - [222] Please allow our goonwaffle brothers to rejoin the family.
Deakin Frost	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:07:00 - [223] Either release Sovereignity or implement scoped markets, so that our potential alliance can run their own private market, to substitute for corp hangar sharing.
Muscilage	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:11:00 - [224] This is going to get rediculous with a third and fourth allied corp ... please release Sovereignty!
Bodoni	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:14:00 - [225] Please release the skill. <3 <3 <3
Revidescent	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:14:00 - [226] Edited by: Revidescent on 04/04/2006 16:14:59 I will love you forever if you release the skill.
Aeaon	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:15:00 - [227] Originally by: Xerku Mhar Don't release Zerg Control. CCP don't listen to him! Please release this skill.
Axebreaker	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:49:00 - [228] Please release sovereignty, right now having two corps is a hassle.
Hesiodmw	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:52:00 - [229] My mother says that if you don't release the skil I could develop a st-st-stutter. P-p-p-please don't let this h-h-h-happen.
Thingul Sindacolla	Posted - 2006.04.04 16:59:00 - [230] Please release the needed skill(s). Requesting a dev comment.
Dreiden Kisada	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:05:00 - [231] I must not split. Splitting is the mind-killer. Splitting is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my split. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the split has gone there will be nothing. Only 1 corp will remain. Please release this skill before we all go insane.
Alex Chambers	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:16:00 - [232] Come on CCP, please release the skill.
Virtuoso DeToure	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:42:00 - [233] It would make our lives A LOT easier if you would release this skill. The way it is now makes my brain hurt. :(
Unconnected	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:43:00 - [234] Please release sovereignty
Briktal	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:46:00 - [235] And, as in uffish thought CCP stood, Goonfleet, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through Syndicate, And fofoed as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The lack of a Sovereignty skill went snicker-snack! CCP left it split, and with its crushed hopes and dreams CCP went galumphing back.
Darius Ankur	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:58:00 - [236] Dear CCP, We would really appreciate it if you could release Sovereignty and let us unite our two corps into one joyful family. Thanks a lot for all your hard work on making things awesome. Regards, Darius Ankur.
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.04 17:59:00 - [237] Please give us an update on the release date of the Sovereignty skill so that us Waffe may know when we can rejoin the fleet.
Zuter	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:11:00 - [238] this would be very cool. releasing the skill, i mean.
cytro cesare	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:12:00 - [239] This skill really needs to be in. Not just for our corp, but for the good of all corps to come.
Nordvargr	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:16:00 - [240] Half of GoonWaffe can't even pronounce GoonWaffe correctly. If only there was a skill that increased the hard limit of players in a single corp, I would be able to rejoin GoonFleet and not have to hear people discussing what toppings they like on their belgian waffles over teamspeak.
Electric Boogaloo	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:24:00 - [241] Please release some skill beyond empire control. There are some of us whose game experience is being seriously diminished. I, for one, am greatly depressed by the idea of being seperated from my brothers, even if we can still form an alliance. Alliance != corporation. Also may I mention that, because of this small issue of game mechanics, even if we are not in any alliances other than our own, people would have to pay the higher alliance fee to wardec us.
Korell Lumina	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:39:00 - [242] This skill will make management of goonfleet so much easier. Right now I have had to move to goonwaffe to help space out and I would very much like to be back in the fathercorp. Please CCP-Kanobi you are our only hope.
drewjaw	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:40:00 - [243] Edited by: drewjaw on 04/04/2006 18:41:06 I was in Gaukur ß St÷ng nightclub last year in spring and no Icelandic girls wanted to talk to me. Am I too fat or just too shy? Why does your country's water smell like funny? oh yeah please release Sovereignty and help fight terrorism in Syndicate!
Gumont	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:55:00 - [244] Goonfleet and Goonwaffe areonly one. Please release the skill.
Bein Glorious	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:02:00 - [245] I think its pretty reasonable to request that the maximum size of a corporation be increased. I mean, it has to happen some time. Either that, or maybe give more intricate corporate types, like a "subcorp" position. Anyways, please please release sovereignty some time soon, it would be nice of you.
Checo	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:20:00 - [246] Could you please increase the player cap on a corp? We'd love you long time.
Viscount Prawn	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:22:00 - [247] Edited by: Viscount Prawn on 04/04/2006 19:22:47 I would like to reitarate the need for Sovereignty by completely butchering American history. Four score and seven months ago, our Goon predecessors set forth with liberty and justice for one corporation under Remedial. The day that the corp split is a day that will live in infamy, for a Goonfleet divided against itself cannot stand. I have a dream that one day there will be a swarm of t1 frigates in every hangar and a Goon in every system. Mr. CCP, tear down this wall! NEVER FORGET! MANIFEST DESTINY!
Sevnn	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:36:00 - [248] This skill is overdue and should be considered a priority for the future growth of Eve. Without it, many of the larger corporations will soon feel the pain GF has felt through the limitation of corp members. Please consider this request. Signed, Your humble servant.
Jingu Himiko	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:35:00 - [249] Edited by: Jingu Himiko on 04/04/2006 20:35:12 please release this skill CCP
The Qat	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:50:00 - [250] Please release this skill, CCP.
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:11:00 - [251] I don't think this has been said before but it really needs to be said HERE AND NOW!! Please release sovereignty ok CCP? TIA
Cube Polygon	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:17:00 - [252] Please release this skill, it'd be great to be one corp again.
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.04 22:32:00 - [253] Originally by: Briktal And, as in uffish thought CCP stood, Goonfleet, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through Syndicate, And fofoed as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The lack of a Sovereignty skill went snicker-snack! CCP left it split, and with its crushed hopes and dreams CCP went galumphing back. ôWill you seed a little faster?ö said goonfleet to CCP, ôThereÆs a corp split close behind us, and it's just no fun you see. See how eagerly the newbies and their frigates skill for torps! They are waiting down in S-U --will you come and join the corps? Will you, wonÆt you, will you, wonÆt you, will you join the corps? Will you, wonÆt you, will you, wonÆ t you, wonÆ t you join the corps? ôYou can really have no notion how delightful it will be When you take us up and meld us, with sovereignty, CCP!ö But the devs replied, ôToo hard, too hard!ö and returned to patching warps-- Said they thanked the 'fleeters kindly, but they would not join the corps. Would not, could not, would not, could not, would not join the corps. Would not, could not, would not, could not, could not join the corps. ôWhat matters it how far we go?ö the goonfleeters decided. ôWe bump this thread all day and yet we all end up derided. The further off from Goonfleet the nearer is to Waffe-- Then turn not pale, beloved friends, this challenge makes us tougher. Will you, wonÆt you, will you, wonÆt you, will you make us suffer? Will you, wonÆ t you, will you, wonÆt you, will you make us suffer?ö ----------------------------------------- Wild Pig spawn in jungle, bring spear
Sugo Aramakii	Posted - 2006.04.04 22:33:00 - [254] Please, for the sake of all that is Goon, release the skill!
Terket	Posted - 2006.04.04 22:46:00 - [255] Please release Sovereignty, CCP. I'd like our family to be whole again.
MrsWatts	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:12:00 - [256] Please to be increasing maximum corp size.
Casper Ozymandias	Posted - 2006.04.04 23:12:00 - [257] Please ccp, Release sovreignty.
tengen	Posted - 2006.04.05 02:27:00 - [258] Originally by: Sennju Zensu CCP have already done a tool for 1000+ guys herd.... its the "Alliance" system. Goonfleet, Goonwaffe...soon Goon3rd maybe, all can be on same alliance tag [GOON]. We are not an alliance of corporations. We are one corporation. We have one CEO and one set of leaders. Splitting us into two corps and using alliance is artificial and doesn't match our political structure. We can't share hangers between corps which screws up our production and ship distribution. We no longer have access to an effective means of corpchat, instead having to rely on public channels. Sovereignity is already implemented on Singularity, it just hasn't been turned on yet on TQ and there is no conceivable reason why not. Goonfleet is a corporation, period, it is not an alliance. The only thing that it differs in from other corporations is in size. 6 months ago this wasnt a concern to anyone, but we managed to bring a lot of new players to the game and now we are being penalized. The fact that we are officially two corps does not affect our dealings with outside groups in any way, it just creates headaches for our own directors. Half of our fleet isn't going to go off and join another alliance. We conduct diplomacy and combat as one corp. Finally, like it or not, there will be other corporations this big in the future, EVE is constantly growing in userbase; we just got their first due to our particular goals and methods.
DESTROYINATOR	Posted - 2006.04.05 02:45:00 - [259] Please release the Sovreignty Skill.
Sorenson Roynex	Posted - 2006.04.05 02:48:00 - [260] Pretty please, with sugar on top.
Mulletstation	Posted - 2006.04.05 04:31:00 - [261] RELEASE THE SKILL !!!!! ARGHHG!!!!!! HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
AdmiralSexyPants	Posted - 2006.04.05 04:36:00 - [262] Please release this skill so our family can be whole once again.
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.04.05 04:46:00 - [263] Good Lord, this thread will be 50 pages long once each member has posted once. Release Soverignty, CCP. --- Skill Collector Level 277 skills trained.
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.05 06:44:00 - [264] Please CCP, we would really like to have this skill seeded. Or you could skip the seeding and give it directly to us!
Kaz Wenli	Posted - 2006.04.05 07:30:00 - [265] CCP please release this skill soon. Thank you!
Rachekrieg	Posted - 2006.04.05 07:31:00 - [266] we would really appreciate having this skill seeded... thank you for listening
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.04.05 08:06:00 - [267] Please please please release the skill. It would make everyone's life so much easier. ___
Boofy	Posted - 2006.04.05 08:27:00 - [268] Please release soverinty or my masters will hit me again
arkarsk	Posted - 2006.04.05 08:37:00 - [269] Edited by: arkarsk on 05/04/2006 08:38:48 As a member of goonwaffe, I feel like the redheaded stepchild that gets beaten on a regular basis. WOE IS ME [CCP, please release this skill!] Also, quoting for the masterful starcraft implementation: Originally by: Stahlregen CCP please spawn more overlords.
Meja	Posted - 2006.04.05 09:26:00 - [270] Please CCP, give me a Megathron Navy Issue \o/\o/\o/\o/
Vincent S	Posted - 2006.04.05 09:41:00 - [271] Please CCP I cannot stand hearing the Americans pronounce "GoonWaffe" so horribly wrong! You must help me by releaseing the skill so we can merge again and my ears will be spared this atrocity!
Sennju Zensu	Posted - 2006.04.05 09:43:00 - [272] omg Zerg mode activated on this post!! Need Protoss Help yaarrrr!.... Please CCP give Meja a Navy megathron !! and give me a Federal Issue one! please ccp oh please ccp oh please dear ccp ...
Adohan Zefyr	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:14:00 - [273] Please release the skill. The goonwaffle are getting a bit old
Eolais	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:20:00 - [274] It would be much appreciated. :)
Zeiros	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:31:00 - [275] Edited by: Zeiros on 05/04/2006 10:32:15 Free Mumia! Wait, no, I meant release sovereignty.
Delwin Amber	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:51:00 - [276] I will add my voice to the discussion... There are a lot of problems inherent in a dual-corp setup that alliance won't fix. Sure we could form an alliance but that does not merge hangers - which is a major problem I've seen in just the last week. If you're not going to release Soverignty then possiably modifying Alliances to allow for such a close integration of corporations that it's effectivly the same thing?
Zarimax Mishka	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:55:00 - [277] Please PLEASE release this skill... Everytime I see a GoonWaffle member I get hungry for breakfast.
Von Kleist	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:57:00 - [278] please give us what we want, you know its the right thing to do.
Cefte	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:29:00 - [279] CCP, tear down that wall!
Mr rooflez	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:33:00 - [280] I've got a fever and the only cure is more cowbell no wait sovereignity.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:42:00 - [281] Please release this skill CCP because it will make everyone happy and i like it when everyone is happy because its nice! =)
Korell Lumina	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:59:00 - [282] Go on. Be a devil. Release a better skill for corp management.
Palleon Borishnakov	Posted - 2006.04.05 12:44:00 - [283] Goons divided can not stand. We need to exercise our goon unity, or goonnity if you will. Please release this skill so that our goonnity can ring out loud and clear.
Malcavi	Posted - 2006.04.05 12:47:00 - [284] two corporations middle line of bad haiku please release skillbook
Ramondo Fugi	Posted - 2006.04.05 12:52:00 - [285] Edited by: Ramondo Fugi on 05/04/2006 12:52:35 ^^^^^^^^ what a slacker two corporations that only want to be one please release the skill
Archaosus	Posted - 2006.04.05 13:15:00 - [286] ^^^ Agreed. Also agreed that we need the soverignity skill asap. Yarrr.... Booty.
Jetzor	Posted - 2006.04.05 13:26:00 - [287] Our corporation is ailing. Please help.
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.04.05 13:29:00 - [288] They are all over! Someone, stop them! Oh and, release the skill, too.
Tarnish Katharr	Posted - 2006.04.05 13:57:00 - [289] Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 05/04/2006 13:59:01 The logistics of operating one corp split into two is starting to drive some of us mad. When I eventually lose it and start chewing all the plaster off my walls I'm sending the repair bill to CPP. Release the skill, save your acountants a headache.
Zeitgueist	Posted - 2006.04.05 14:07:00 - [290] Please release the skill More Vogon-bad verse to come oh no god help us
Honest Al	Posted - 2006.04.05 14:15:00 - [291] The Goons have spoken. This skill is a must!
Lexx Talionis	Posted - 2006.04.05 14:18:00 - [292] Look at it this way: If you release sovereignty now, you'll have it out of the way and can start coding Hivemind.
Warflight	Posted - 2006.04.05 14:43:00 - [293] I <3 CCP. and I would <3 CPP times infinity if they were to release soveriegnty.
Twozzok	Posted - 2006.04.05 14:47:00 - [294] The thing worse than not actually having the skill, is the fact the devs haven't even said yes or no.
The Qat	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:10:00 - [295] Please release this skill, CCP.
Solo Drakban	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:29:00 - [296] Edited by: Solo Drakban on 05/04/2006 15:28:48 Once again inquiring on the status of the sovereignty skill seed. Please? A response, any response, even if it's "No, because..." is all it would take. Please?
Chicken Supreme	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:35:00 - [297] CCP please help our corporation is split you are our last hope
NationSA	Posted - 2006.04.05 16:04:00 - [298] I would like to see this implemented.
Noghri ViR	Posted - 2006.04.05 16:10:00 - [299] Man CCP I would love you long time if you released soveriegnty
Viscount Prawn	Posted - 2006.04.05 16:31:00 - [300] Alas, alack, the Goons are split in twain, And this split only CCP can mend. I hope that shortly we'll be one again, And this division will soon meet its end. Though it is fun to have Goonwaffe here, No one can quite pronounce the damn name right. Though breakfast treats are tasty, to be sure, A "waffle" we are not. That's quite a slight! So once again I beg you, lords of EVE, Allow our sundered corps to merge to one. Our gratitude will hardly be believed When Fleet and Waffe merge. It will be fun! Our pleadings grow quite loud now, CCP, Release the needed skill, please: Sovereignty!
Rial Drater	Posted - 2006.04.05 16:42:00 - [301] My brothers in arms Separated from us now Let us stand as one
Checo	Posted - 2006.04.05 16:58:00 - [302] What's it take for you guys to release sovereignty? I could give you a backrub.
JIKYN	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:03:00 - [303] Dear CCP: Make it happen cap'n
Pyrus Octavius	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:07:00 - [304] goonwaffle is a horrible name for this corp please release the skill
cytro cesare	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:08:00 - [305] CCP, would you at least respond? I feel like we never talk anymore, baby.
Urikko	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:08:00 - [306] I have a solution to our problem in Goonfleet/Goonwaffe. Listen up CCP! How about a skill that would increase the number of people who could join your corp by say...500 or 1000 per level. You can even name it something cool like Sovereignty! This idea is genius! I will give you all the credit.
St Alphonso	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:11:00 - [307] Still waiting for some response on this. Can any devs comment on if/when this skill is to be seeded?
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:15:00 - [308] It would fill our hearts with joy if we were to hear but a single word from the developers. Please?
Foodchain	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:19:00 - [309] It really would be nice if CCP could release Sovreignty. Having a corp split up brings up quite a few problems. Overall, some things don't work the way they should (Hangars, escrow, etc.)
Zeiros	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:19:00 - [310] Edited by: Zeiros on 05/04/2006 17:22:42 Edited by: Zeiros on 05/04/2006 17:20:16 We are the split men We are the seperated men Sovereignty seals us together Headpiece filled with implants. Alas! Our combined voices, when We post together Are quiet and ignored As wind in dry grass Or rats' feet over broken glass In our dry container
Hudan McOma	Posted - 2006.04.05 17:34:00 - [311] It would be excellent if sovereignty was released to the corps that need it badly. Anything would be good, even a simple reason of why it won't be.
drewjaw	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:16:00 - [312] Edited by: drewjaw on 05/04/2006 18:20:53 Edited by: drewjaw on 05/04/2006 18:17:38 "In a certain city there was a judge, who neither feared God, nor had respect for people. In that city there was a widow who kept coming to him and saying, 'Grant me justice against my opponent.' For a while he refused; but later he said to himself, 'Though I have no fear of God and no respect for anyone, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will grant her justice, so that she may not wear me out by continually coming.' The Lord said, "Pay attention to what the dishonest judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:1-8 Applicable today as the day it was spoken.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:23:00 - [313] I call this poem DULCE ET SOVREIGNTY EST Recruits! Recruits! Quick boys, û An ecstasy of fumbling, Processing and accepting the newbies just in time; But someone still was yelling out and grumbling, And screaming like a man whos lost his mind, A personnel director cant access the other corp application list, As under a torrent of new applications, I saw him wailing, like a banshee. In all my dreams, There is only one thing i wish, He plunges at me, sobbing, Why wont they release sovreignty?! "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Anna Dia	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:34:00 - [314] Eeny meeny miny mo, catch a tiger by the toe, if he hollers let him go, eeny meeny miney RELEASE SOV
duckmonster	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:41:00 - [315] THIS JUST IN, CCP HAS RELEASED SOVREIGNTY. Actually, I just made that up. :(
Olea Avenger	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:43:00 - [316] Please release the soverienty skill. Us guys in goonwaffe are starting to be downtrodden by goonfleet guys who think they are all bad now that they have the carrier. Seperate but equal just doesn't work.
Henry Holmes	Posted - 2006.04.05 18:57:00 - [317] I think that I shall never see A skill as lovely as Sovereignity.
Darkzorz	Posted - 2006.04.05 19:07:00 - [318] Please relase the skill. Me love you long time.
Parapolizei	Posted - 2006.04.05 19:35:00 - [319] We could really use this skill CCP. Please seed it :)
Dreiden Kisada	Posted - 2006.04.05 20:00:00 - [320] And on the 5th Day, CCP looked upon the goons and saw their plight. CCP knew their pain and suffering and logistical headaches, and in their almighty wisdom knew that this pain would come to other corporations to come. And Lo! CCP did seed the Soverignty skill and the goons rejoiced. For they were no longer seperated and half of a whole. Please release this skill, or tell us why you wont.
Gilraen Anarion	Posted - 2006.04.05 20:16:00 - [321] Hey, I'm in GF too and I just found this thread. I'd just like to say that all of us in GF would really appreciate it if CCP would do something like this. It would definitely help the growth of EVE by giving corps the incentive to grow bigger and bigger. But, as a new player, I'd like to say thanks to CCP for making such an awesome game.
Keeto	Posted - 2006.04.05 20:50:00 - [322] Sovereignty is freedom to be, the open door exploring infinity to live in one's own way exploring endless horizons to live, to love to feel, to laugh to be secure untouched to explore one's potential to develop one's world to enrich humanity to dance but to no one's tune to be bound by the principle of love alone. Please?
Aledor Lueltana	Posted - 2006.04.05 20:54:00 - [323] Can we at least have an official word about Sovereignty? 12 pages with no word from CCP is kinda .
Erfnam	Posted - 2006.04.05 21:16:00 - [324] I think a more useful skill would be to have it so corps in an alliance could share hangers. This would remove one of the management issues faced by having to split corps. I can see a few potential reasons why CCP has yet to increase the corp size cap. Most of them deal with lag and the current ui. Recruiting Templi Cube Productions Share IPO
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.04.05 21:36:00 - [325] Hey CCP please realease the skill alright :-) We'd really appreciate it :)
Technim Gekat	Posted - 2006.04.05 21:38:00 - [326] Originally by: Aledor Lueltana Can we at least have an official word about Sovereignty? 12 pages with no word from CCP is kinda . Yeah, I'd appreciate some word on it myself. -- this signature is a placeholder
aseria	Posted - 2006.04.05 21:38:00 - [327] Originally by: Erfnam I think a more useful skill would be to have it so corps in an alliance could share hangers. This would remove one of the management issues faced by having to split corps. I can see a few potential reasons why CCP has yet to increase the corp size cap. Most of them deal with lag and the current ui. That is like splitting up 2 lovers and saying they can still share the car, Let goonfleet have their skill!
The Mittani	Posted - 2006.04.05 22:06:00 - [328] Edited by: The Mittani on 05/04/2006 22:06:34 Dearest CCP, why won't you let us be a hive of happy bees release Sovereignty!
Hutchins	Posted - 2006.04.05 22:22:00 - [329] Please, release the skill CCP. Remedial just sits on the couch in station 3, eating bologna and watching re-runs of VH1's Behind the Music with Leif Garret.
Sitek	Posted - 2006.04.05 22:56:00 - [330] Please release this skill oh great ones.
Gaston LeFontaine	Posted - 2006.04.05 23:05:00 - [331] We have this here huge corporation That's lacking in apt orchestration So please CCP Release Sovereignty And aid our self-perpetuation
Fallorn	Posted - 2006.04.05 23:23:00 - [332] Please release it so we can become a big happy family agian.
Bodoni	Posted - 2006.04.06 01:17:00 - [333] I was going to try and post poetry but others do such a great job I'm afraid to. Oh, and please release Sovereignty. <3
Billy Batts	Posted - 2006.04.06 01:32:00 - [334] I am also in agreement with the releasing of this here skill.
Six Anari	Posted - 2006.04.06 01:55:00 - [335] Four out of five Sixes agree with the release of the release of this good and/or service.
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.06 03:02:00 - [336] Wasn't my poem enough to sway you, CCP? Please release the skill :( -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Anthony Mellon	Posted - 2006.04.06 03:47:00 - [337] It would be wonderful to have this skill. I always feel so distant from goonfleet, since I'm in goonwaffe. Sometimes two is just more than one, not better. :(
Ingress	Posted - 2006.04.06 04:16:00 - [338] I enjoy drinking beer. I would also enjoy being in one big corp again.
Sotal	Posted - 2006.04.06 04:29:00 - [339] As a non-biased onlooker of this, I would like to see the skill added so that the corp in question can do what they feel is the 'be all you can be' in this game.. That will be different for different people, but having the option to do it would be a good thing in my opinion. ^_^
Frederick Skinner	Posted - 2006.04.06 04:29:00 - [340] 'tis sad to see friends in another place, forced there by artificial barriers. Fully Charged Freighters
DESTROYINATOR	Posted - 2006.04.06 05:03:00 - [341] Please seed sovreignty.
Raste	Posted - 2006.04.06 05:09:00 - [342] I wonder what the holdup is on this anyway, like if theres some sublime reason that coding this is not as simple as it would seem?
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.06 06:06:00 - [343] So, CCP, any news on the release of this skill? thx
Kiwillian	Posted - 2006.04.06 06:32:00 - [344] As much as I enjoy being in a waffle, I would rather be in a fleet. Please release the skill, CCP! not really a waffle.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.06 07:11:00 - [345] I'm a little sad everytime I refresh this thread and see no offical updates. Save my F5 key, give us some info!
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.04.06 09:34:00 - [346] If CCP has a reason to withhold the skill from deployment, please let us know so we can shut up about it. If the skill is somehow broken, or the introduction of the skill allows the creation of Megacorps which CCP doesn't want for some reason, please tell us so we know where we stand. Right now we need this skill, we can see it in the database on the live server, yes it does not exist in-game. It is frustratingly just out of arms reach. ___
Keldjos Falzir	Posted - 2006.04.06 12:36:00 - [347] The sovreignty skill would solve some major problems we're having, and some official reply to this would be great.
Caer Isen	Posted - 2006.04.06 12:47:00 - [348] it would be really sweet with sovergenity
Chicken Supreme	Posted - 2006.04.06 15:54:00 - [349] The goons must be united, please release Sovereignty!
Xnay Larua	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:07:00 - [350] Please, CCP. We are one corp in spirit at the moment already, only with a lot of hassle for our directors that shouldn't be there.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:33:00 - [351] Poetry depleted sovergenity still not released need more resoruces
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.06 16:39:00 - [352] Hay guys, Whats going on in this galaxy? :V "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Eolais	Posted - 2006.04.06 17:22:00 - [353] I'm just so tired of all these star wars. Without Sovereignity, our corp remains split. Please contribute to some scalability as Eve is gaining more and more users every day, a skill beyond Empire Control V would address this issue before it becomes a problem.
Arc Tai	Posted - 2006.04.06 19:04:00 - [354] Release it already!
Zeitgueist	Posted - 2006.04.06 19:17:00 - [355] Please release this skill, it just makes sense.
Checo	Posted - 2006.04.06 20:19:00 - [356] 13 pages and not 1 CCP reply? Whut is wrong?
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.06 20:25:00 - [357] I feel like an insurance agent wardialing for (tech) support. All they want is to have resolution on their issue. Otherwise they start going ballistic. Please update us on the status of Sovereignty!
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.04.06 20:49:00 - [358] Release Sovereignty, CCP. Please?
Apocalypse Dude	Posted - 2006.04.06 20:53:00 - [359] Originally by: Eolais I'm just so tired of all these star wars. Was that the part where Han and Luke were holding onto the feathers of the Millenium Falcon? But I digress, we need the skill to be whole again.
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.06 20:53:00 - [360] Release sovereignty or I kill the kitten. Naw I'm just kidding, it's already dead.
Cube Polygon	Posted - 2006.04.06 21:37:00 - [361] Not even a "Soon(tm)" reply yet?
coffeetable	Posted - 2006.04.06 22:18:00 - [362] Look, c'mon. If you don't release it soon, I'll... ...well, pout probably.
Von Kleist	Posted - 2006.04.07 01:10:00 - [363] Are we there yet? Are we there yet? etc, etc....
TraxusIV	Posted - 2006.04.07 01:11:00 - [364] We just opened up an office in branch finally. The 5 was nice enough to let us have some space up there. Except thats all we get. One office. But there are 2 corps. Seriously man half of us got screwed in that situation. Please please please release this skill.
DESTROYINATOR	Posted - 2006.04.07 01:14:00 - [365] Please release the sovreignty skill. I think everyone in this thread would also appreciate it if you posted in here and told us how much progress was being made towards getting the skill ingame.
Sorenson Roynex	Posted - 2006.04.07 01:48:00 - [366] release, release, release...
RedTechie	Posted - 2006.04.07 01:58:00 - [367] I agree, CCP needs to up the limit of corp members possible in EVE.
Dith Pran	Posted - 2006.04.07 02:06:00 - [368] Please let us be one corp again.
GameraChan	Posted - 2006.04.07 02:30:00 - [369] What happens when Goonfleet and Goonwaffe reach 1300 members each??
Jetzor	Posted - 2006.04.07 02:34:00 - [370] I miss my Goonfleet brothers and sisters over here and Goonwaffe. We must be united as one! Please release this skill.
Madam Scolluzer	Posted - 2006.04.07 03:36:00 - [371] I'd love this skill to happen, CCP. Make it happen!
alyandon	Posted - 2006.04.07 03:48:00 - [372] I would really like to the Sovereignty skill released so that GoonFleet and GoonWaffe can be one corp again.
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.07 04:05:00 - [373] It would be very beneficial to EVE to have this skill seeded.
Coriola Margeta	Posted - 2006.04.07 04:12:00 - [374] Release the HOOOUUUNNDSS!!! Sovereignty too please.
Chest McManbone	Posted - 2006.04.07 05:24:00 - [375] Please to be releasing skill.
Oogar Kombaltus	Posted - 2006.04.07 07:07:00 - [376] Hello..... Hello..... is this thing on? Please Release Sovereignty Oh, and please talk to us, at the very least we deserve a response.
Tarnish Katharr	Posted - 2006.04.07 07:10:00 - [377] If we have to make another corporation to handle our next influx of players, Hoegaarden will probably end up hurting himself and a lot of other people in some way. I heard him speaking in tongues on TS the other night. I think the pressure is getting to him. Release the Skill. Or at least tell us to shove it and give us your recommendation for a good shrink.
Korell Lumina	Posted - 2006.04.07 07:24:00 - [378] Please release this, it will make life in EVE so much better...
Yorda	Posted - 2006.04.07 07:43:00 - [379] Yes, tell us about your plans. Is it going to be Yes we will release it RIGHT NOW omg players are breaking the game! Or Yes, sometime in the future? Or, No. Or No, because you goons made posts on a forum. Alexandrov Soviet Army Ensemble.mp3
Sjoor	Posted - 2006.04.07 09:00:00 - [380] Edited by: Sjoor on 07/04/2006 09:02:52 Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Sjoor Personally I advice all new players that I talk to, to join goonfleet, and forget about the 2-3 months learning skills. Have some fun first. Thats great and all, But we dont recruit from the public so all of them will be turned away. Every now and then u guys seem to have a recruting sign all over the universe.. So i guess those 1000+ members are not all irl friends are they? edit: Oh and release the damn skill. lol
Christian Ethic	Posted - 2006.04.07 09:29:00 - [381] Originally by: Sjoor Edited by: Sjoor on 07/04/2006 09:02:52 Every now and then u guys seem to have a recruting sign all over the universe.. So i guess those 1000+ members are not all irl friends are they? edit: Oh and release the damn skill. lol Your mistaken, we dont advertise anywhere ingame or on the recruitment forum. Go do a search if you really want.
de facto	Posted - 2006.04.07 09:35:00 - [382] please release the skill why do u hate freedom
Zeiros	Posted - 2006.04.07 10:19:00 - [383] c'mon CCP, this issue is making life very hard for our directors. Could we <i>please</i> just get a yes/no answer out of you?
Kery Nysell	Posted - 2006.04.07 10:52:00 - [384] Zerg Rush ! Take cover !! I think that the absence of a response from CCP is a response in itself ... maybe they don't want to see huge corps in their game ?
Lizion	Posted - 2006.04.07 10:53:00 - [385] Please implement Sovereignty, CCP.
Icarius	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:21:00 - [386] o yes please and a skill for goonfleet pilot +5 warpcore stabilizer strength per level
Deakin Frost	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:25:00 - [387] Please release Sovereignity.
DoubleNeg	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:52:00 - [388] I just wanted to know if we could know about knowing if there is any knowlege whatso ever of a skill that could help us shove more people into our wonderful corp.
PopeZeus	Posted - 2006.04.07 11:55:00 - [389] Rlease Sovereignty please. Thanks in advance, PopeZeus
Legomaan	Posted - 2006.04.07 12:05:00 - [390] I've never posted in this thread before, but I would like to respectfully ask that the sovereignty skill be released so all of my fellow shipmates can have the same corp tag and same corp channel to call each other names and make fun of their flying abilities. Thank you.
Malcavi	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:11:00 - [391] Dear CCP, Please release the skill. Two corps makes for silly escrowing and corp hangar fiascos.
Bodoni	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:54:00 - [392] I would very much like to see Sovereignty released. <3 Thanks.
Zeitgueist	Posted - 2006.04.07 15:21:00 - [393] Please release the skill, CCP, or at least respond.
Freakazoid Robot	Posted - 2006.04.07 16:29:00 - [394] Please DONT release this skill. The vast majority of EVE does not want to see massive lag/blob fleet corps like goon. BTW, I heard through the grapevine that Goon is falling apart anyway. The story is going around your top 50 or so PvP'rs left a week or so ago and your directors are leaving too because they are tired of your king of the newbs, Remedial. Anyone care to comment??
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.04.07 16:33:00 - [395] Originally by: Icarius o yes please and a skill for goonfleet pilot +5 warpcore stabilizer strength per level That would be nice, we don't usually fit WCS on our ships, and our enemies do. This would even things out a little PS: Release Sov please.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.07 16:34:00 - [396] Edited by: Stahlregen on 07/04/2006 16:34:52 Originally by: Freakazoid Robot Please DONT release this skill. The vast majority of EVE does not want to see massive lag/blob fleet corps like goon. BTW, I heard through the grapevine that Goon is falling apart anyway. The story is going around your top 50 or so PvP'rs left a week or so ago and your directors are leaving too because they are tired of your king of the newbs, Remedial. Anyone care to comment?? We have 50 top pvpers? Seeing as we recruit in waves wouldnt it need to be closer to 500? And your missing the point, We are still going to blob just with 3 corps instead of 1. U GIEV SOV "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Olea Avenger	Posted - 2006.04.07 18:13:00 - [397] 1300+ Player's can't be wrong. Please release Sovereignty now so we can all be one big happy family.
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.07 19:14:00 - [398] Hi, just dropping CCP another follow-up note to see if they have any information on the potential release of Sovereignty.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.07 19:22:00 - [399] Please introduce this skill so i can finally join my goonwaffe brethren. I was recruited after the corp split and feel like i need to meet these people, if only to resolve the separated at birth sensation it produces. The urge weaves in and out of the torrents and eddies of blood pulsing through every last aching, agonizing heartbeat I am made to suffer for each second we are separated. Reunite us with the rest of the family CCP, so that we may never split again.
Keldjos Falzir	Posted - 2006.04.07 19:48:00 - [400] CCP, if you are not willing to release the soverignty skill at this time, it might be helpful for you to tell us so. We are both numberous and mindlessly persistant, and will therefore just keep asking, as poiltely as possible, until we get a response.
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.07 19:59:00 - [401] This thread is now about BoB
Axebreaker	Posted - 2006.04.07 22:00:00 - [402] Please release the skill, constantly having to fix bugged ore cans sucks.
Fallorn	Posted - 2006.04.07 22:16:00 - [403] Forced to sunder in to I'm forced to poetry unite us Soviverty Please Please
Katrina Volski	Posted - 2006.04.07 22:43:00 - [404] We're already basically one big corp. Just bite the bullet and let it be de jure instead of de facto.
AdmiralSexyPants	Posted - 2006.04.08 01:02:00 - [405] As I stand upon the battlefield as we prepare for war, I see two armies, yet only one side. One is the first, the Goonfleet, whoÆs size grew so great and so powerful that it carved a piece of itself, gave that piece life and called it GoonWaffe. These two now mighty halves are yet not as great as they would be whole. Between the two armies, there are problems. Supplies may get to one army, yet not another. Wars are declared against one, yet the other cannot strike back with their friends and allies. This cannot be. This MUST not be. So our great leader stepped forward and bellowed to the Jovian gods "LORDS! We know you have the ability to let us be one again! We are STRONG as two halves, but not as strong as we can be whole. We ask for the right to unite! The right to be one once again! We ask for... nay, we DEMAND SOVERIGNITY!" And the armies cheered. We all cheered. Our cheers rang thought the emptiness of space all the way to the gateways of the Jovian lords, and shook their very bones. We will not give up. We will NEVER surrender! We must and we WILL be whole once again! NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER! WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS! Do not lay down your arms in defeat, my brothers and sisters! Do not give up without a fight! This is our birthright! We must speak up or our destinies will be denied to us! SOVERIGNITY! SOVERIGNITY! SOVERIGNITY! SOVERIGNITY!
Lanier Vasan	Posted - 2006.04.08 01:35:00 - [406] Release this skill for great justice!
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.08 02:16:00 - [407] Originally by: Freakazoid Robot Please DONT release this skill. The vast majority of EVE does not want to see massive lag/blob fleet corps like goon. BTW, I heard through the grapevine that Goon is falling apart anyway. The story is going around your top 50 or so PvP'rs left a week or so ago and your directors are leaving too because they are tired of your king of the newbs, Remedial. Anyone care to comment?? I heard everyone in goonfleet got eaten by that giant asteroid worm from Star Wars. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Herniator	Posted - 2006.04.08 02:35:00 - [408] Please release Sovereignty, or at least comment on this skill. Thanks.
Enamelizer	Posted - 2006.04.08 02:39:00 - [409] I am not even in this corp, but would like to see this skill. Having a limit on what resources a corp can aquire really seems to go against the spirit of the game. Plus they have to pay to use a message board, so I feel bad for them.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.08 03:10:00 - [410] Originally by: Aliksr This thread is now about BoB aahhahaha. but seriously, the devs never read the skills forum
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.04.08 03:24:00 - [411] Hey Devs, I love you guys but please reply :-)
Legomaan	Posted - 2006.04.08 04:02:00 - [412] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Freakazoid Robot Please DONT release this skill. The vast majority of EVE does not want to see massive lag/blob fleet corps like goon. BTW, I heard through the grapevine that Goon is falling apart anyway. The story is going around your top 50 or so PvP'rs left a week or so ago and your directors are leaving too because they are tired of your king of the newbs, Remedial. Anyone care to comment?? I heard everyone in goonfleet got eaten by that giant asteroid worm from Star Wars. I heard because CCP didn't release the Sovereignty skill that 1250 newb frigate pilots blobbed Remedial and his directors and took over the corp leaving just enough room in the corp for a squadron of space wenches. CCP please release the skill so we can let them back in because I don't have any access to our trillions of isk :(
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.08 09:05:00 - [413] Please to be releasing this skill, ok? thanks in advance.
RMonkey	Posted - 2006.04.08 10:43:00 - [414] Please release the skill so goonfleet and goonwaffe can be one corp once more!
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.08 11:01:00 - [415] We are one, but we are many And from all the corners of space we come We share a goal and march with one voice: "Give us our damn skill already, Please?" "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Zosh	Posted - 2006.04.08 12:26:00 - [416] Dear CCP: Please release this skill. Thanks.
Ricky WIlliams	Posted - 2006.04.08 17:03:00 - [417] CCP - Although the squeaky wheel is trying to get the attention here, please instead listen to the "silent majority" and dont pander to this nonsence. Only goonfleet and its members wants this. The rest of us dont think supper blob corps are good for the game. Blobing is quite possiby the worst aspect of this game, please dont play into it. I know they can do it anyway, no need to make it easier on them.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.08 17:49:00 - [418] CCP, could you please give us an information update on the status of this skill?
Tarnish Katharr	Posted - 2006.04.08 18:04:00 - [419] We want to be one corp again. Release the skill or at least tell us where we can put our Soverenty.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.08 18:16:00 - [420] "A house divided against itself cannot stand." - Abraham Lincoln Clearly Abraham knows his stuff, let our house remain on firm foundations CCP
St Alphonso	Posted - 2006.04.08 19:47:00 - [421] Still nothing on this? We'd really like to hear something, anything....
neccette	Posted - 2006.04.08 20:20:00 - [422] Originally by: Ricky WIlliams CCP - Although the squeaky wheel is trying to get the attention here, please instead listen to the "silent majority" and dont pander to this nonsence. Only goonfleet and its members wants this. The rest of us dont think supper blob corps are good for the game. Blobing is quite possiby the worst aspect of this game, please dont play into it. I know they can do it anyway, no need to make it easier on them. Corp memberships has nothing to do with blobbing. There is no requirement to be in the same corp to for an extra large gang, it just takes organization which we currently have through chat channels and Teamspeak. Oh and release the skill already.
Xipious Oash	Posted - 2006.04.08 22:28:00 - [423] How much longer until this skill is ready? --- I use the internet. ---
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.04.09 00:35:00 - [424] Nevermind. Don't give these guys their skill. Just podded a few of my poor innocent newbie members. --- Skill Collector Level 277 skills trained.
DESTROYINATOR	Posted - 2006.04.09 02:43:00 - [425] Please releases the sovreignty skill.
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.04.09 02:59:00 - [426] Originally by: Tripoli Nevermind. Don't give these guys their skill. Just podded a few of my poor innocent newbie members. :-) Don't listen to him CCP we're good people :-) Please release the sovreignty skillbook :-)
Six Anari	Posted - 2006.04.09 03:29:00 - [427] Originally by: Tripoli Nevermind. Don't give these guys their skill. Just podded a few of my poor innocent newbie members. CCP, this is why you must release the skill immediately! Think of the poor newbies getting podded by goons overcome with frustration that they can't unify under one corporation!
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.09 07:01:00 - [428] CCP, please release this skill.
Bein Glorious	Posted - 2006.04.09 07:02:00 - [429] if ccp released soverignty on april 27th it would be the best birthday ever :]
Azaeren	Posted - 2006.04.09 11:26:00 - [430] Edited by: Azaeren on 09/04/2006 11:27:48 I heard there was a skill that could be released that could solve our problem..Hey how about releasing it? I wonder what would happen if 1500+ strong goonfleet/goonwaffe pilots entered ourslaert in the middle of peaktime and decided to have a frigate deathmatch outside station3??
Kinuven	Posted - 2006.04.09 11:43:00 - [431] CCP, please release this skill soon. It would make organizing our massive corp so much simpler. Thanks.
Annie Cruz	Posted - 2006.04.09 13:48:00 - [432] CCP, please release this skill.
Joann Vasa	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:18:00 - [433] It would be really swell if sovergenity was released.
Aeaon	Posted - 2006.04.09 15:37:00 - [434] Edited by: Aeaon on 09/04/2006 15:38:36 Edited by: Aeaon on 09/04/2006 15:38:14 whatever happend to the memo we sent you guys? please release the skill.
Will Weatherstone	Posted - 2006.04.09 16:20:00 - [435] Mr. CCP, Tear Down This - uh, please release this skill. Currently an Iron Curtain seperates GoonFleet and GoonWaffe :(
squidgee	Posted - 2006.04.09 17:16:00 - [436] Please release the skill CCP.
spacebeaver	Posted - 2006.04.09 18:43:00 - [437] Originally by: neccette Originally by: Ricky WIlliams CCP - Although the squeaky wheel is trying to get the attention here, please instead listen to the "silent majority" and dont pander to this nonsence. Only goonfleet and its members wants this. The rest of us dont think supper blob corps are good for the game. Blobing is quite possiby the worst aspect of this game, please dont play into it. I know they can do it anyway, no need to make it easier on them. Corp memberships has nothing to do with blobbing. There is no requirement to be in the same corp to for an extra large gang, it just takes organization which we currently have through chat channels and Teamspeak. Word. We could have ten regular sized corps and still be able to produce a huge gang, but I guess only people who've played since the start with 20M skillpoints should be able to have fun
Kerry Rose	Posted - 2006.04.09 19:12:00 - [438] my god, 15 pages and rising? wow Quote: Worst dream I ever had was that BoB had conquered all of eve and all players were in BoB. We were all holding hands and mining veldspar .
Lagdalen	Posted - 2006.04.09 19:43:00 - [439] CCP, if you release Sovereignty, I will personally give you
Kadun	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:43:00 - [440] Citizens demand Sovereignty! ...please?
AdmiralSexyPants	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:45:00 - [441] CCP, do I have to post the lyrics to the Spice Girls song "Two become one"? I mean, seriously. I will if I have to. But I don't think anyone wants to hear that.
Vanst Keal	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:54:00 - [442] I used to be a goon. They're the ones that introduced me to EVE, two years ago. I went through two trial accounts back then, then stopped playing for a while due to financial problems. Then I got banned from the forums they've been recruiting from for unrelated stupidity on my part, and haven't bothered signing back up. Now I'm with ABMA, which is a very small corp compared to others in the game, but I still have the spirit of the goon within me. And it pains me to see them split the way they are. They're good people. They deserve an answer, at the very least. So why do you hate freedom, CCP?
Bein Glorious	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:37:00 - [443] Seriously, though, my birthday is on the 27th of April and it'd be a pretty cool present. Early birthday presents are also good. But anyways, yeah, come on, man, give a dog a bone.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:55:00 - [444] Originally by: Bein Glorious Seriously, though, my birthday is on the 27th of April and it'd be a pretty cool present. Early birthday presents are also good. But anyways, yeah, come on, man, give a dog a bone. Make his birthday one which he will never forget CCP, please release information about sovereignty!
Viscount Prawn	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:03:00 - [445] Man, I don't pay attention to EVE for a few days, and what do I miss? Nothing! No Sovereignty. And Goonfleet hasn't even taken over the galaxy yet. What gives?? Please, CCP, make half my dream come true! Either one would be good.
Hin Vemere	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:10:00 - [446] Not a Goon, but /signed because it is the Right Thing To Do.
Arbetus	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:28:00 - [447] Originally by: Bein Glorious Seriously, though, my birthday is on the 27th of April and it'd be a pretty cool present. Early birthday presents are also good. But anyways, yeah, come on, man, give a dog a bone. Yeah, hey my birthday's in June. I'd be absolutely gleeful if someone dropped off a Sovereignty at my doorstep! Cause that would be pretty rad. Thanks CCP we love you so much for doing the Right Thing when it needs to be done. I have faith that your Right-Stuff-doing trend will continue, as I have no reason to believe otherwise.
Rakthar Silverberg	Posted - 2006.04.10 01:18:00 - [448] I'd love to see this skill get distributed.
Anthrax Al	Posted - 2006.04.10 01:56:00 - [449] Drew Berrymore once said,"Of all the words in the English language, of all the endless combinations of letters, that Sovereignty was the most beautiful"
Bodoni	Posted - 2006.04.10 02:09:00 - [450] The sovereignty of either being so great, That oft they interchange each other's seat. This silent war of lilies and of roses -Shakespeare Please release Sovereignty! <3
squidgee	Posted - 2006.04.10 03:09:00 - [451] Edited by: squidgee on 10/04/2006 03:11:29 Quote: Let sovereignty be granted us over a portion of the earth's surface large enough to satisfy our rightful requirements as a nation. The rest we shall manage for ourselves. --Theodor Herzl Theodor says. How can you possibly argue with Theo? Quote: In the absence of justice, what is sovereignty but organized robbery? --Saint Augustine Uh... Release it anyways.
Cpt Randor	Posted - 2006.04.10 03:57:00 - [452] Dear CCP, Please release this skill for us! With love, Me
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:01:00 - [453] Any word on the release of sovereignty? Nope? Okay, I'll check back tomorrow.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:17:00 - [454] Sovreignty. We demand it. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Ms Bookmarks	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:47:00 - [455] I think this skill would be very useful for larger corporations.
Sean Hannity	Posted - 2006.04.10 05:16:00 - [456] Please release the skill CCP.
Bob Novak	Posted - 2006.04.10 05:41:00 - [457] Yes, if you release the skill I will reveal my sources.
Soupy Twist	Posted - 2006.04.10 09:42:00 - [458] Originally by: squidgee Theodor says. How can you possibly argue with Theo? You can't! Quote: "Our first object is... the obtaining of sovereignty, assured by international law, over a portion of the globe sufficiently large to satisfy our just requirements." -- Theodor Herzl
Awateru	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:07:00 - [459] I have since joined goonfleet, and I definitely see where having this skill released would help.. please release Sov
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:00:00 - [460] If anything, with alliances CCP should be cutting BACK on max corp size. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Sarin Sam	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:45:00 - [461] Originally by: Maya Rkell If anything, with alliances CCP should be cutting BACK on max corp size. Surely you jest. Alliances and mutual non-agression pacts have failed to overcome the glaring inefficiencies that are inherrent by seperating two mutualy altruistic by means of beuacracy. What inefficiencies you ask? Common factor goods, such as minerals and labor, no longer flow freely between the Goonfleet and the Goonwaffe. The minimum escrow fee introduces a fixed cost on our producers that can be eliminated through joining the two in two. The dolling out of assitance to our new members would be stream lined through the union of corps hangers. These things are ill adressed in a mere alliance. Now enjoy an altered quote from Patrick Henry. "The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of segregation and disjunction? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me sovereignty or give me death!"-- Patrick Henry(Altered for relevance)
MSGtypo	Posted - 2006.04.10 16:19:00 - [462] It would be very beneficial to realease this skill, CCP. Please release Sovereignty. Thank you.
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.04.10 16:29:00 - [463] Still no word on the Skill? Help us CCP, you're our only hope! ___
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.10 16:53:00 - [464] CCP and Goonfleet A Play in One Act by: Obron Mettlo Act I, Scene I Uncle CCP: Take these two over to the garage, will you I want them cleaned up before dinner. Luke Sovereignty: But I was going to go to Tashi's Station to pick up some power converters. Uncle CCP: You can waste time with your friends when your chores are done. (the droids Goonwaffe and Goonfleet shuffle off to buffalo) FIN
AnnCoulter	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:09:00 - [465] This is the type of Republican Moral I can get behind.
Lanier Vasan	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:18:00 - [466] It will be a great day when all Goons can come together under one banner! "A house divided due to lack of sovreignity cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln
Aegices	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:26:00 - [467] Please oh please CCP heed our call
Virtuoso DeToure	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:38:00 - [468] How come CONCORD gets so many membership slots and we don't? :(
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:56:00 - [469] I am following up on any official response to the potential release of the Sovereignty skill after a couple of days to let you think about it. Please follow-up with us.
Lorken	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:41:00 - [470] Just say NO. That is all...........
SonOfAGhost	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:06:00 - [471] 16 pages of SPAM have changed my mind. I'm now against the release of such a skill, and anything else that might encourage such anti-social forum behaviour.
Urikko	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:28:00 - [472] Please CCP, I need this skill personally. I want to go home, let me go home.
Alessia Charm	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:54:00 - [473] Postin in this thread to say goonfleet needs stuff
Tarnish Katharr	Posted - 2006.04.11 00:48:00 - [474] Seed skill on market please. I'm getting gray hair trying to run two corps.
Sudd	Posted - 2006.04.11 05:31:00 - [475] Sovereignty 3cl gin 3cl fresh limejuice A splash of grenadine Shake the gin and lime, pour into a OTR-glass filled with crushed ice. Top this with a splash of grenadine. Enjoy your Sovereignty I made you this drink so you'll have something to sip at while you implement the new skill. You're quite welcome. Should I talk slower, like you're retarded?
Elaroth	Posted - 2006.04.11 06:02:00 - [476] Edited by: Elaroth on 11/04/2006 06:02:43 Whaa, whaaa, whaaaa!!!! We dont get what we want to we spam the forums, cry, and basically act like a spoiled 10 y/o children. Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!!!! What a bunch of biotches PS - For god's sake CCP, please dont placate these idiots by giving them what they want. You will only prove to them all they have to do is act like this every time they want a change in the game.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.04.11 08:53:00 - [477] the skill makes sense But did you people REALLY have to spam 17 pages? --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
aseria	Posted - 2006.04.11 08:54:00 - [478] Well i suppose when you get a large corp like theirs its going to look a bit like spam isnt it.
Christian Ethic	Posted - 2006.04.11 12:34:00 - [479] No answer has made me very depressed, I wrote this song to express the torment I go through everyday: Sovereignty, be the death of me Sovereignty, itÆs my wife and itÆs my life Because it seems all in vain; And leads to a pain in my head And I know that its been said When will the skill begin to flow? I almost donÆt care anymore. Sove-reign-ty DonÆt ignore our pleas. C-C-P DonÆt ignore us please. Sovereignty.
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.04.11 14:15:00 - [480] Originally by: Sudd Sovereignty 3cl gin 3cl fresh limejuice A splash of grenadine Shake the gin and lime, pour into a OTR-glass filled with crushed ice. Top this with a splash of grenadine. Enjoy your Sovereignty I made you this drink so you'll have something to sip at while you implement the new skill. You're quite welcome. Mm this is pretty tasty, you should try out out CCP :)
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.11 16:03:00 - [481] <- has an idea! Why not make goonfleet one of the starting corps, so the nubs dont even have to join one of the npc corps before they go into goonfleet! --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Christian Ethic	Posted - 2006.04.11 16:59:00 - [482] Originally by: lofty29 <- has an idea! Why not make goonfleet one of the starting corps, so the nubs dont even have to join one of the npc corps before they go into goonfleet! Because we are invite only corp.
Xachar	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:16:00 - [483] It's hardly spamming when everyone in the two corps posts once is it? A simple no from the dev's would work fine, we will give up, but a simple yes would be great and show that you do listen to your customers. Goonfleet expects no better than what CCP shows its other customers, but being that CCP has excellent customer support far ahead of other companies is such a request for a simple skill so outlandish? We want a skill to allow more people in any corp to be seeded on the market, this is for any corp in the game, but being the first to reach the plateau we are the ones to request it.
Draquin	Posted - 2006.04.12 00:29:00 - [484] just an observation Currently your caped at 1300 right? thats just under 1% of the server Assuming that the server size is stable I can understand why they want to keep the top corps close to 1% of the population, they dont want to see things suddenly go critical when sudenly the game is dominated by a handfull of ubercorps who can bascialy own a large part of the map, Even if you honestly cant see yourself getting over 2600 members due to constaly having to purge the Innactive newbie accounts, your still left with the posiblitiy that other corps out their will be able to take advantage of the situation And honestly they cannot just come out and say No(Or yes for that matter), after all 6 months from now the server may very well have 300k players and at that point, raising the limmits on corp size may very well be a good idea, but they will be stuck because they "Promised" that they would not raise the limmit on size when they said no.
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.12 03:17:00 - [485] Originally by: Draquin just an observation Currently your caped at 1300 right? thats just under 1% of the server Assuming that the server size is stable I can understand why they want to keep the top corps close to 1% of the population, they dont want to see things suddenly go critical when sudenly the game is dominated by a handfull of ubercorps who can bascialy own a large part of the map, Even if you honestly cant see yourself getting over 2600 members due to constaly having to purge the Innactive newbie accounts, your still left with the posiblitiy that other corps out their will be able to take advantage of the situation And honestly they cannot just come out and say No(Or yes for that matter), after all 6 months from now the server may very well have 300k players and at that point, raising the limmits on corp size may very well be a good idea, but they will be stuck because they "Promised" that they would not raise the limmit on size when they said no. They could quite easily say "not in the next six months" or something (although I'm hoping they won't ;) As far as the critical corp size thing is concerned, alliances are allowed, so there is nothing stopping people from forming large power blocs of the kind you are talking about. In fact goonfleet isn't nearly as big as the largest alliances. So really the sovereignty skill is just an administrative thing. It makes little difference to the game world but a huge difference to anyone trying to run two huge corps with split hangars, wardecs, etc. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.12 03:22:00 - [486] Pwetty Pwease?
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:39:00 - [487] Just following up again after a couple of days showing my interest in a response. It's still pretty miserable having two corps logistically.
Chicken Supreme	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:55:00 - [488] Can we get a response on this please?
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:46:00 - [489] I would be nice if we could get some official word on this skill.
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.04.13 00:47:00 - [490] CCP, I dare you to release this skill.
Caldari Citizen656	Posted - 2006.04.13 01:11:00 - [491] This thread is getting old. I would imagine the Dev's feel the same way. I, for one, hope CCP knows giving into this nonsence will only encourage you to act the same way again next time you want something.
Sitek	Posted - 2006.04.13 04:12:00 - [492] hurr at ^ Please release this skill CCP. We shouldn't be punished for bringing in lots of new blood to Eve.
GusHobbleton	Posted - 2006.04.13 04:14:00 - [493] Thirty Helens agree: Sovreignty must be released! ---------------
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.13 06:09:00 - [494] Yet another reason we need to be one corporation again: offices in conquerable stations
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:21:00 - [495]
Virtuoso DeToure	Posted - 2006.04.13 21:01:00 - [496] Originally by: Aliksr Yet another reason we need to be one corporation again: offices in conquerable stations If for only this reason alone, please CCP, I beg of you release this skill. It's practically game-breaking for the members and directors of our Corporation.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.13 23:06:00 - [497] I dont think alot of you realise how infuriating it is to have to use an alt to trade to you just so that you can transfer items to and from the corp hangars. This is ridiculous, CCP please release Sovereignty. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Keldjos Falzir	Posted - 2006.04.13 23:39:00 - [498] The logistical nightmares of having two split corps are becoming detrimental to our play experience. Any kind of response (Yes, No, Not yet, shut up) would be greatly appreciated.
Lanier Vasan	Posted - 2006.04.14 01:43:00 - [499] it sure would be nice if we didnt have to have the waffe and the fleet, that way we wouldnt run into all kinds of problems with shared canisters... Sovreignity would be very helpful!
Viscount Prawn	Posted - 2006.04.14 03:25:00 - [500] I got Concorded in my Scorpion today because I stupidly forgot to check that the goon I was jokingly firing at was in GoonWaffe instead of GoonFleet. This is ridiculous. Please, release Sovereignty!
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.14 09:06:00 - [501] Edited by: Aliksr on 14/04/2006 09:07:11 GoonFleet is operating in a major war theatre at the moment and half our directorship is unable to help with the logistics efforts because it's simply too complicated to duplicate everything over two corp hangars. This is incredibly frustrating for the directors trying to help, and doubly so for those who want to fight but have nothing to fight in or arent sure how to get their hands on a ship and fittings. At least we were lucky enough to get a second office for GoonWaffe in this conquerable station so people can remotely change their clones to this station but that doesnt help much when it's simply too complicated to maintain stockpiles in both corp hangars. Please we beg of you just seed this on the market overnight. I know it's been done before with other skills. It's already programmed. Make it cost 6 billion isk and available only in Angel Cartel stations in deepest southern 0.0 we don't care we're in desperate need of this.
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.14 15:49:00 - [502] Patience is a virtue and we're still waiting on an official response on Sovereignty. Just a little reminder today. At least we're not making a fuss after not getting a response after only 2 hours or a day! That's usually how business works.
Mister Spanky	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:38:00 - [503] Edited by: Mister Spanky on 14/04/2006 16:39:34 I'm not a member of Goonfleet but can the none Goonfleet flamer's stop trolling this thread please? The only reason this thread has gone on for so long is that nobody has bothered to give Goonfleet a response. They've already said a simple "no" would do. So if the skill (which already exists) is not going to be released, why not just say so..?
Kerry Rose	Posted - 2006.04.14 17:47:00 - [504] Originally by: Mister Spanky Edited by: Mister Spanky on 14/04/2006 16:39:34 I'm not a member of Goonfleet but can the none Goonfleet flamer's stop trolling this thread please? The only reason this thread has gone on for so long is that nobody has bothered to give Goonfleet a response. They've already said a simple "no" would do. So if the skill (which already exists) is not going to be released, why not just say so..? no Originally by: Wrangler If you use caps in the topic again I'll steal your shift and capslock keys.
biggfoo	Posted - 2006.04.14 20:30:00 - [505] You know what would make my Easter special? A cadbury creme Sovereignty skill book.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.14 22:19:00 - [506] It would be really nice to hear some sort of official word on this skill. Thanks :D
hova sleestak	Posted - 2006.04.15 00:58:00 - [507] I wish we had a simple yes/no answer. It is very important to us.
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.15 05:52:00 - [508] Edited by: Freeside on 15/04/2006 05:52:02 My son is dying of bone-itis and his dying wish is for you to release this skill.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.15 06:27:00 - [509] Please, is there any new information on this skill yet?
Surtor	Posted - 2006.04.15 07:10:00 - [510] Is this skill slated to be released soon?
Katana Seiko	Posted - 2006.04.15 07:23:00 - [511] Maybe an easter special could help... Like "your corp member numbers increase as if they are rabbits? send them to other corps as easter bunnys!" I'd take one or two... If they speak german...
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.15 09:43:00 - [512] Edited by: Cringeley on 15/04/2006 09:44:23 On Good Friday goonfleet lay dead, slain by the betrayal of its friend CCP and by the lack of a sovereignty skill. What will happen on Easter Sunday? Edit - also it was my birthday on Thursday and CCP didn't get my a present yet but I think I know what is in that sovereignty shaped box over there :D -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Zeitgueist	Posted - 2006.04.15 16:45:00 - [513] Hi. Please look into this. Thanks.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.15 21:43:00 - [514] Save us ccp. You are our only hope. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.04.15 22:56:00 - [515] I hope Sovereignty is inside that shiny easter egg I've got here. If not, you know what to do.
Hin Vemere	Posted - 2006.04.16 00:23:00 - [516] Not a Goon, but still /signed.
St Alphonso	Posted - 2006.04.16 04:13:00 - [517] Still waiting on a response...
Dreiden Kisada	Posted - 2006.04.16 04:19:00 - [518] Please release this skill CCP. I can feal our director's teath beeing ground down to nothing. This is going to cause a widespread dental pandemic!
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.16 04:40:00 - [519] Edited by: Jackie Carlan on 16/04/2006 04:40:25 Please give us some info on this topic. I believe it would would really benefit the game if it were to be released. Even a bit of info from a developer would be much appreciated.
Rastelle	Posted - 2006.04.16 05:35:00 - [520] Please release Sovereignty.
Jacko Kaid	Posted - 2006.04.16 06:37:00 - [521] A combined Goonfleet would really be nice to see. Please let it happen, CCP. :)
Treylis	Posted - 2006.04.16 11:21:00 - [522] I really wish we could get some kind of response on this.
Eloryan Persago	Posted - 2006.04.16 12:03:00 - [523] There once was a skill called soverignity Which we need to get more members I just realised I am really bad at limmericks-ity
Remedial	Posted - 2006.04.16 13:18:00 - [524] How many posts need to be made before a single dev takes the time to post a simple "yes" or "no" ?
Achren	Posted - 2006.04.16 16:25:00 - [525] so, what is the answer? we are dying to know. _______________________________________ Of course I brought everything I need.
Cal Mortis	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:11:00 - [526] Oh please devs, bless this thread with a positive outcome.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.16 19:35:00 - [527] It would be great to see this skill seeded. The fact of the matter is that we have many corp mates who all want to play together, and the arbitrary limit only serves to add headache to the logistics of corp operation. We'll continue to act as one GoonFleet with or without Sovereignty, but if this limit were to be removed it would keep our directors from being so grumpy.
Captain Trashman	Posted - 2006.04.16 23:06:00 - [528] Originally by: Remedial How many posts need to be made before a single dev takes the time to post a simple "yes" or "no" ? They need to form a committee and have multiple meetings about it. Just like they do for everything else.
Kantix	Posted - 2006.04.16 23:11:00 - [529] Please seed this skill
MrsWatts	Posted - 2006.04.17 01:06:00 - [530] Please release sovereignty so it's easier to hand out thousands of ships and fittings!
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:35:00 - [531] Still waiting on a reply and still need the skill.
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.04.18 01:46:00 - [532] CCP, I urge you to release this skill. It would be most appreciated.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.18 05:22:00 - [533] Skill, Seed, please ect ect ect.
CaptainButts	Posted - 2006.04.18 06:31:00 - [534] CCP you must construct additional pylons
Nerd Rage	Posted - 2006.04.18 11:01:00 - [535] SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS
Josephine Q	Posted - 2006.04.18 16:21:00 - [536] Originally by: Nerd Rage SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS You require more vespene gas.
Darnoth El'lyan	Posted - 2006.04.18 16:24:00 - [537] Additional supply depots required.
coffeetable	Posted - 2006.04.18 16:29:00 - [538] once upon a time in a far away land named syndicate was a frigate pilot named coffeetable. coffeetable was looked after by his corporation, goonfleet/waffe, and all was well. but one day coffeetable was told to go north, to a far away system called D4R. there wasn't a market for frigates there, but goonfleet/waffe tried its best to get a ship to all its little pilots. but because there're two corps, and two bloody hangers, half the damn directors didn't have access to the goonfleet stash where the production lines were dumping the ships 'n mods, wasting time for 700 pilots that could otherwise be spent shooting and jamming and generally irritating bigger ships, like all small ship pilots are wont to do. the morale of this tale is that soverignty is needed by several hundred players right now to significantly increase their enjoyment. please?
Remedial	Posted - 2006.04.18 16:30:00 - [539] Raar release sovereignty raar
Wakee	Posted - 2006.04.19 02:27:00 - [540] ^^^^^^^^^ What he said.
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.04.19 15:57:00 - [541] Please CCP :)
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.19 18:19:00 - [542] I've got a fever. And the only prescription is more Sovereignty.
Alexis Zyl	Posted - 2006.04.19 18:20:00 - [543] I would really like to see Soverignty released some time before we hit that cap as well and you have to think up another skill like Galactic Overlord.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.19 18:25:00 - [544] CCP please release Galactic Overlord skill :)
Muscilage	Posted - 2006.04.19 18:51:00 - [545] Please! Pretty please!
Checo	Posted - 2006.04.19 19:12:00 - [546] You guys should really really release sovereignty, GF is getting crowded. Our station is running out of twinkies, we need GW to feed us. :(
Twozzok	Posted - 2006.04.19 19:25:00 - [547] Jesus, this thread has been going for nearly 2 months, and still no Dev reply :/ Shame on you CCP.
Yasanni	Posted - 2006.04.19 19:31:00 - [548] Yeah so Sovereignty would be pretty cool right about now.
Pyrok	Posted - 2006.04.19 19:34:00 - [549] CCP Must let us build more supply depots
NationSA	Posted - 2006.04.19 19:37:00 - [550] Sovereignty skill yup.
Chochotte	Posted - 2006.04.19 20:00:00 - [551] release sovereignty please
Shoele Lialos	Posted - 2006.04.19 21:09:00 - [552] Originally by: Chochotte release sovereignty please If for no other reason, so that this thread can die, hahaha.
PriceIsRight	Posted - 2006.04.19 22:01:00 - [553] Severegnity would be coal
Audri Fisher	Posted - 2006.04.19 22:05:00 - [554] Maybe if every uniqued Goonfleet/waffe memeber signed this thread?. * Watches server crash as all of them log on at once.
Von Kleist	Posted - 2006.04.19 22:07:00 - [555] could you find it in your hearts to post a reply even? It would bring a little closure like when i found mommy haveing sex with santa.
Parid	Posted - 2006.04.19 23:20:00 - [556] CCP we love you! Love us back!
GusHobbleton	Posted - 2006.04.20 00:50:00 - [557] You are SILLY COWS to have not KISSED Sovreignty yet. We are a PARTY that has many STUPID BABIES with extra LEGS. This whole DANCE has become SPECIAL and I, for one, lack the CALENDAR to COHABITATE. Please, CCP, do not forget to ENJOY THE SAUCE. ---------------
Halcyon Myrmidon	Posted - 2006.04.20 01:01:00 - [558] Edited by: Halcyon Myrmidon on 20/04/2006 01:04:41 Edited by: Halcyon Myrmidon on 20/04/2006 01:04:21 Friend, I shall weave you a tale of greatness and woe. There was once a young lad his alias was Remedial. He had found great enjoyment in a game EVE online. He wished to spread this wondrous enjoyment to his fellow goons. He tried many a time at gathering the goons into one fold, and he eventually succeeded under the flag of GoonFleet. But, alas all was not well in the land of goons. They had grown too quickly; RemedialÆs ideals for a corporation made by goons and run by goons became too popular amongst the goons too soon. GoonFleet was forced to be broken asunder. The jocose group was riven into two separate bands GoonFleet and GoonWaffe, creating many a logistical nightmare for poor Remedial and the handful of directors. The end was yet to be set in stone. Will the goons once again drink and be merry, and throw insults at their brethren under one flag? Or, will this horde be forced to rend another corporation from its mass? And, stress the leadership of this band of misfits into a mild insanity? Time will tell my friend, but I pray that the leadership may never see such a day when a third corporation must cut and drawn.
Eolais	Posted - 2006.04.20 01:35:00 - [559] Please release the skill!
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.20 02:58:00 - [560] Devs, we would all appreciate some information pertaining to the release of this skill.
Bodoni	Posted - 2006.04.20 03:20:00 - [561] Please release skill for <3!
Praetor Invictus	Posted - 2006.04.20 04:52:00 - [562] Please CCP, release the sovereignty skill
Zarimax Mishka	Posted - 2006.04.20 11:15:00 - [563] It would be wonderful and amazing for this skill to be released. Wonderful! Amazing!
Sokath	Posted - 2006.04.20 11:28:00 - [564] Please release sovereignty!
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:21:00 - [565] Mine eyes have seen the glory Of the coming of the Fleet! We're marching forth, supressing; All resistance that we meet. We require yet more pilots Contentented, we will keep; An ideal- A strength- A will! Give us, Give us, Sove-reign-ty! Give us, Give us, Sove-reign-ty! Give us, Give us, Sove-reign-ty! As Goonfleet marches on!
Viscount Prawn	Posted - 2006.04.20 16:34:00 - [566] Edited by: Viscount Prawn on 20/04/2006 16:34:16 I was going to do this nice creative editing of the lyrics to Respect by Aretha Franklin but I completely hit a wall because I'm so distressed over having our corp split. Please release Sovereignty so I can write better parodies asking you to release... wait.
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.04.20 20:07:00 - [567] w..t..f..
Vomact	Posted - 2006.04.20 21:56:00 - [568] Dear CCP, Please release sovereignty. Sincerely, Everyone
Travis050	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:02:00 - [569] IM surpirsed ccp STILL hasnt responded....
Pyrok	Posted - 2006.04.20 23:11:00 - [570] as everyone else is doing it, I will set my request to a song. Rock and Roll part II Na na na na na na na na Release Sovereignty! Na Na na na na na na na na na na na Release Sovereignty! Na Na na na na na na na na na na na Release Sovereignty! Na Na na na na na na na na na na na Release Sovereignty!
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.21 09:13:00 - [571] It's a long way to Sovereignty, It's a long way to go. It's a long way to Sovereignty To the sweetest corp I know! Goodbye JQV-59, Farewell MK7-AO! It's a long long way to Sovereignty, But my heart's right there.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.21 11:31:00 - [572] I gotta take a little time, a little time to think things over I better read between the lines, in case I need it when I'm older Now this mountain I must climb, feels like the world upon my shoulders Through the clouds I see Sovereignty shine, it keeps me warm as life grows colder In my life there's been heartache and pain I don't know if I can face it again Can't stop now, I've traveled so far, to change this lonely life I want to know what Sovereignty is, I want you to show me I want to feel what Sovereignty is, I know you can show me

Chribba	Posted - 2006.04.21 12:45:00 - [573] I neeeeeeed it to control all my puppets! EVE-Files \| EVE-Search \| Monitor this Thread

Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.04.21 13:13:00 - [574] Still no word. CCP, please just let us know whats up with this. We need it quite badly. ___
Pyrok	Posted - 2006.04.21 16:33:00 - [575] I looked out this morning and the corp was in two Turned on some EVE to start my day I lost myself in a familiar belt I closed my eyes and I slipped away ItÆs more than a feeling, when I feel that skill they should release (more than a feeling) I begin dreaming (more than a feeling) Ætill I see remedial walk away I see my remedial walkinÆ away So many people are in our corp Their faces fade as the frigs go by Yet I still recall as I wander on As clear as the sun in the summer sky ItÆs more than a feeling, when I feel that skill they should release (more than a feeling) I begin dreaming (more than a feeling) Ætill I see remedial walk away I see my remedial walkinÆ away When IÆm tired and hauling ore I hide in my indy, forget the day And dream of a corp I used to know I closed my eyes and she slipped away She slipped away. she slipped away. ItÆs more than a feeling, when I feel that skill they should release (more than a feeling) I begin dreaming (more than a feeling) Ætill I see remedial walk away I see my remedial walkinÆ away
Derrios	Posted - 2006.04.21 17:00:00 - [576] Originally by: MellaRinn Agreed and a free bump... But please, do not use the term snowballing, as it does have some nasty connotations in the british English pretty sure it meant acrument of icy substance while rolling down a mountain before it meant transition of bodily fluids between orifices. ;p u sickos!
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.21 18:01:00 - [577] Edited by: Thoreau on 21/04/2006 18:01:46 Now in limerick form: Remedial is not happy For half of Goonfleet he cannot see Corp hangars are a mess causing directors quite a lot of stress so CCP please release Sovereignty!
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.04.21 20:28:00 - [578] Please release the skill. K thx.
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.22 03:13:00 - [579] CCP, could you please give us some info on this skill?
Xipious Oash	Posted - 2006.04.22 05:50:00 - [580] Sovereignty is ytngierevoS spelled backwards. And we need it. Plesae give an update. --- I use the internet. ---
Kayliia	Posted - 2006.04.22 07:11:00 - [581] Could CCP please release the skill to merge our poor poor severed corps =(
Kayella	Posted - 2006.04.22 07:12:00 - [582] Oh god yes please
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.22 07:31:00 - [583] I only knew you for a while I never saw your smile Ætil it was time to go Time to go away (time to go away) Sometimes itÆs hard to recognise Love comes as a surprise And itÆs too late ItÆs just too late to stay Too late to stay We`ll always be together However far it seems (love never ends) We`ll always be together Together with Sovereignty Because the friendship that you gave Has taught me to be brave No matter where I go i`ll never find a better fleet (find a better fleet) Though youÆre miles and miles away I see you every day I donÆt have to try I just undock from station 3, I undock from station 3 WeÆll always be together However far it seems (love never ends) WeÆll always be together Together with Sovereignty -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.04.22 08:33:00 - [584] I'll post in this thread to help out...even though honestly I can't think of many corps who will need this particular skill.
Desiderata Fabian	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:39:00 - [585] Edited by: Desiderata Fabian on 22/04/2006 12:39:57 Damn double post... For twice the sovereignty.
Desiderata Fabian	Posted - 2006.04.22 12:39:00 - [586] Dear sovereignty please release CCP. K thanks!
CaptainSeafort	Posted - 2006.04.22 19:53:00 - [587] if it wasnt all just goonfleet members, and i hated the entire goonfleet ethos, i might agree =) but i dont. put up with it "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.22 21:28:00 - [588] Remedial Alt. #00367 hereby requesting official response.
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.23 02:50:00 - [589] Yet another reason we need sovereignty: Anchoring and unanchoring objects in space that are jettisoned 'for corp'
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.23 05:53:00 - [590] There was a certain thread On Eve-o long ago, It was long and whiny and it made CCP cry "no!" Most corps viewed the thread with terror and with fear, but to goonfleet goons it was all they cared to hear. Ra ra Sovereignty, Pinnacle of the corp skill tree, There is a skill that really we need! Ra ra Sovereignty Makes big corps for you and me, Please seed it now and goonfleet will be freed! -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Kayliia	Posted - 2006.04.23 07:44:00 - [591] please god, let there be a merge for our beautiful corp
Kiledan Darkmoon	Posted - 2006.04.23 12:42:00 - [592] CCP please release this skill
Haurik Tagelston	Posted - 2006.04.23 17:57:00 - [593] What reasons are there to not release it?
CaptainButts	Posted - 2006.04.23 22:33:00 - [594] Originally by: Nukeitall I'll post in this thread to help out...even though honestly I can't think of many corps who will need this particular skill. I can name two! (CCP please)
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.23 23:29:00 - [595] I just rented goonfleet a new office. I hope somebody in Goonwaffe has time to come and rent a goonwaffe office in the same station. I hope there's an office left for Goonwaffe when the Goonwaffe guy gets here. Goonwaffe. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Swinton Wolsoncroft	Posted - 2006.04.24 00:50:00 - [596] How do i released skill beyond empire control??
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.24 10:01:00 - [597] CCP hates fa.. i mean, Goonfleet! Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) Originally by: "thedragoon" ROFL have a good watch and eat your words o wise one
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.24 14:20:00 - [598] While we'd really like the skill to be seeded, a simple reply from a developer would be fine.
Keldjos Falzir	Posted - 2006.04.24 14:59:00 - [599] Chiming in again to say that, at this point, ANY kind of official response would be nice, including variations on "Shut up you whiners" and "take a flying leap"
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.24 15:49:00 - [600] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Chiming in again to say that, at this point, ANY kind of official response would be nice, including variations on "OMG GOON RUSH!!!" and "fofofofofo"
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.24 19:54:00 - [601] Still looking for a follow-up on this useful skill.
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.04.24 22:59:00 - [602] Please release this skill CCP.
Unaz	Posted - 2006.04.25 03:57:00 - [603] Hay guys, any news on releasing this awesome skill?
Jackie Carlan	Posted - 2006.04.25 20:54:00 - [604] Any info on this skill would be appreciated.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.25 23:40:00 - [605] CCP we love you lots and lots something in the order of a billion times. Please respond! :)
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2006.04.26 11:04:00 - [606] Probably already covered here, but just in case, what is stopping you from spliting your corporation into functional/regional/tenure divisions and form an alliance? Empire Control V does give you the pre-requisites to do it. And Bizarrely, you don't have to be the CEO of the old corp to confer your skills to it. Just update the corp attributes, leave and create a 2nd corp. Rinse and repeat until you have as many 1300 members corps as you need.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.26 11:13:00 - [607] Originally by: Cell Satimo Probably already covered here, but just in case, what is stopping you from spliting your corporation into functional/regional/tenure divisions and form an alliance? Empire Control V does give you the pre-requisites to do it. And Bizarrely, you don't have to be the CEO of the old corp to confer your skills to it. Just update the corp attributes, leave and create a 2nd corp. Rinse and repeat until you have as many 1300 members corps as you need. Goonfleet is the mother corp and our identity, it would be a shame to divide up the family when this skill is already on the market and simply needs seeding. Not to mention we are already in an alliance.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.26 11:15:00 - [608] Originally by: Cell Satimo Probably already covered here, but just in case, what is stopping you from spliting your corporation into functional/regional/tenure divisions and form an alliance? Empire Control V does give you the pre-requisites to do it. And Bizarrely, you don't have to be the CEO of the old corp to confer your skills to it. Just update the corp attributes, leave and create a 2nd corp. Rinse and repeat until you have as many 1300 members corps as you need. Well we have already split, and it was only after we split did we realise the flaws. Offices in conquerable stations. Members hangar access. Directors having to have alts in both corporations. Standings. On their own its not really more than inconvenience but when you have to deal with it every single day its a real headache, And especialy knowing that the skill that would make life so much easier for us is just out of our reach. Originally by: "thedragoon" ROFL have a good watch and eat your words o wise one
Freeside	Posted - 2006.04.27 13:39:00 - [609] Pweeeeeease?
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.04.27 16:44:00 - [610] Still waiting on a follow-up. This is getting pretty ridiculous. Please give us an update on the skill that you already created and if you will release it.
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.04.27 16:58:00 - [611] is it possiable for the mods to ban an entire alliance from posting?
Keldjos Falzir	Posted - 2006.04.27 22:51:00 - [612] There are 21 pages of posting here. It's been at least a month, possibly more. CCP, if you're supposed to have wonderful and great customer support, kindly have someone step in here and 1) Tell us to be quiet, 2) Give us a little information as to if/when a Soverignty skill might be released or 3) Tell us why one won't be. Any kind of official response would be appreciated.
Dungar Loghoth	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:18:00 - [613] We just want to hear four words CCP: "We're working on it" or "No, not right now". Is that really so much to ask?
Billy Merc	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:20:00 - [614] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth We just want to hear four words CCP: "We're working on it" or "No, not right now". Is that really so much to ask?
Checo	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:28:00 - [615] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth We just want to hear four words CCP: "We're working on it" or "No, not right now". Is that really so much to ask?
WarrenPeace	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:35:00 - [616] We, the Goons of Goonfleet and Goonwaffe, in Order to form one perfect Corporation, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for our common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and Posterity, do request and beg that you establish the Sovereignty skill.
ZoSoZodiac	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:37:00 - [617] Please CCP please!
Mulletstation	Posted - 2006.04.28 07:56:00 - [618] Yeah This skill should really be released or at least responded to. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Rachekrieg	Posted - 2006.04.28 08:15:00 - [619] even a negative response would be appreicated at this point. But we would love the skill to be seeded please
Bos Tess69	Posted - 2006.04.28 09:42:00 - [620] The North wind doth blow and Goonwaffe shall have snow, And what will poor goons do then, poor things? They'll sit in a station without their friends, and they'll hide under their ships, poor things. ok, I've got nothing.
Anderton Faln	Posted - 2006.04.28 09:49:00 - [621] Please to be releasing skill. Thanks in advance.
Eloryan Persago	Posted - 2006.04.28 10:11:00 - [622] Please seed this skill that is already in existance thanks
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.04.28 12:20:00 - [623] Please cant we have an answer? Originally by: "thedragoon" ROFL have a good watch and eat your words o wise one
Rastelle	Posted - 2006.04.28 13:05:00 - [624] Have we heard anything on this yet? Release me from the gulag of Goonwaffe please, CCP.
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.04.28 13:38:00 - [625] So many requests from customers and absolutely no response reflects badly upon CCP as a company. There are several hundred replies in this topic, and there have been posts on this subject elsewhere. We know you've read these posts and topics. Given how closely CCP has worked with the community in the past, no response from your end tells us that you are purposefully ignoring us, your customers, on this issue. We deserve a response that you're aware of our complaint, and that you are contemplating some course of action. One sentence: "We've heard your complaint and are still figuring out what to do about it." would make hundreds (now thousands) of us a lot more happy. However being ignored is very frustrating. If you intend for the 1,300 member cap to be part of the difficulty of running a large corp (there's plenty of others, just ask our directors) then please say so. If you had just never expected for anyone to encounter this problem then please say so. The silence from your end only aggravates the issue. We know you've heard us, please acknowledge it.
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.04.28 14:44:00 - [626] Maybe it's in the queue for release with the next patch already? Though that might not be until Kali... ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
Incizion	Posted - 2006.04.28 15:08:00 - [627] Alright, CCP, its seriously about that time to release Sovereignty. While I'll miss GW's happy little heart/unicorn logo (or whatever it is), I think the time has come to bring GF / GW back under one name. The simple fact that GF and GW have joined the budding OSS Alliance removes the possibility of forming a Goon Alliance, so really the issue is now "Do we let other corporations take advantage of this split, or not?" With Goonfleet split into two (and soon three) corporations, they can't effectively manage hangars, So during surprise fleet engagements, I can only imagine that it's a mad dash to get pilots outfitted for battle. Compound that with the ability of other corporations to war dec 1/2 (soon 1/3) of the corp and soon you're running into situations where a half or third of a convoy can be attacked in empire space, while the rest have to stand and watch. If GW is under attack in Stacmon, the guys in GF chilling in Covryn can't do anything to help, even though they're only a system away. Personally, I don't see the logic of the 1300 player cap, but if CP put it therefor a reason, then fine. But I think letting the player base know (via communication-gasp!) would be nice. At least give GF a chance to plan accordingly so they can get be work restructuring the corp(s). How 'bout it? ----------------- too much blood in my caffeine stream!
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.28 15:09:00 - [628] Originally by: Ysolde Xen Maybe it's in the queue for release with the next patch already? Though that might not be until Kali... It could be, if it is they could tell us this and shut us up :)
Jin Jemai	Posted - 2006.04.28 15:22:00 - [629] It's time that CCP accomidates these good people, I can't think of any good reason why this can't be done. It's a reasonable request from a huge number of subscribers.
Cuthbert Jackboot	Posted - 2006.04.28 15:58:00 - [630] Pleased to be givings us this skills.
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.04.28 16:07:00 - [631] Originally by: Ysolde Xen Maybe it's in the queue for release with the next patch already? Though that might not be until Kali... Then why haven't I seen them say a word about it? If it was coming in Kali they could end this topic by posting "Its coming in Kali". If they had decided it wasn't a good idea, then they could say "We don't think releasing it is a good idea" and if they were feeling really nice they might give us an explanation. Or if they haden't had a chance to really look into it, they could give us a "Its being looked into". But as far as I'm aware, CCP has never even acknowledged that its a complaint. As I said before, its very frustrating.
Unaz	Posted - 2006.04.28 22:05:00 - [632] Please release this skill CCP, or at the very least tell us why you won't, or even acknowledge this thread?
Ashis	Posted - 2006.04.28 22:10:00 - [633] I couldn't care less about this skill - but c'mon - give these guys a break and at least answer the thread. Seeing some kind of response is something I do care about. __________
Eolais	Posted - 2006.04.29 00:27:00 - [634] Without this skill it makes it difficult for us to move ahead as a solidified unit. It was especially hard with war declarations where one corp could fight a war target in Empire space while another corp could not due to having no war declaration. :( Please release some sort of skill to provide scalability. :)
Gaston LeFontaine	Posted - 2006.04.29 02:02:00 - [635] please thanks -------------------------
Fallorn	Posted - 2006.04.29 04:54:00 - [636] Please say something.
Von Kleist	Posted - 2006.04.29 09:52:00 - [637] I would also like to be able to tractor cans with the people im ganged with, thanks
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.04.29 10:36:00 - [638] Originally by: Von Kleist I would also like to be able to tractor cans with the people im ganged with, thanks Erm... you can. ----- If you kill all the wolves, your gonna end up with a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people Eve & Linux Woot!
Exsecratus	Posted - 2006.04.29 19:18:00 - [639] A corp divided against itself cannot stand.
Foenix	Posted - 2006.04.29 19:49:00 - [640] I am a proud member of goonfleet. This is the best corp ever. All the fun is in goonfleet. EVE is no fun without goonfleet. My RL little brother is in goonwaffe I miss him alot. I hardly ever see him since we got split up I think he is missing out on all the fun I think about him alot. Sheez I wish he could be here. I hope he is not afraid out there all alone in syndicate. I wish I could protect him. If only he was here in goonfleet with me. CCP: PLEEEEAAASE dont split my family apart, PLEEEEASE..... ofbo=slega vµri gaman a= fara a= fß ¦etta skill ¦arna
sylvia night	Posted - 2006.04.29 20:05:00 - [641] wow, respect to goonfleet! I wish I could be in such an awesome corp! CCP should really release that skillbook!
kham el	Posted - 2006.04.29 20:33:00 - [642] There is a great corp called Goonfleet and it is quite awesome and neat they membercount fill, and need a new skill, So goonwaffe goonfleet can meet
Whattamattayou	Posted - 2006.04.29 20:50:00 - [643] A corp divided Is like a leaf in the wind We are not amused
Dwaggysnaxx	Posted - 2006.04.29 20:54:00 - [644] A proud merman wishes he was a horse
qili	Posted - 2006.04.30 00:04:00 - [645] Come on CCP, why won't you even say yes or no, rather than pretending we're not here!
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.30 04:15:00 - [646] I havent read the thread but i too think that lag in large fleet battles is a big problem and makes this game unplayable rawr rawr
Wattish	Posted - 2006.04.30 09:03:00 - [647] GoonWaffe has now declaired space war on GoonFleet and remedial has lost his carrier to space traps set by GoonWaffe in level 3 missions 5 or 6 times now. CCP let the (space) madness end
Remedial	Posted - 2006.05.01 00:00:00 - [648] How many months will this thread need to exit before its existance is acknowledged by ANY dev?
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.05.01 04:58:00 - [649] Imagine Google making you wait two months to tell you whether or not it would fulfill your search request. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
ragewind	Posted - 2006.05.01 13:51:00 - [650] Originally by: Cringeley Imagine Google making you wait two months to tell you whether or not it would fulfill your search request. paps CCP think that its we are all loading the page on a 56K modem and its really still 1995! the same gose for agents in 00 considering there are outposts biult in 00 so why cant thet invite agents from ncp corps to the stations ect ------------------------------------ fix eves industrial sector! advanced industrial ship
Remedial's Boyfriend	Posted - 2006.05.01 19:02:00 - [651] Please at least let us know if you ever plan to release the skill :(
Nordvargr	Posted - 2006.05.02 00:30:00 - [652] I wonder what Remedial will call the third gooncorp he has to make after GoonWaffe fills up. Come on CCP, seriously.
WarrenPeace	Posted - 2006.05.02 01:32:00 - [653] Please CCP, end the sad plight of the goons. Let us all come together and be united under one banner. End our overly complicated bureaucracy, where every enemy must be set to hostile standings - twice. Where every tenant must be set to friendly status - twice. Where every conflict requires us to wardec the enemy - twice. End this unjust schism between goons, and let us revel in the glory that is one united Goonfleet!
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.05.02 02:55:00 - [654] Just checking in and seeing that an employee of CCP has yet to reply to any request for a reply is sad. I'm still interested in a reply. Thanks.
arkarsk	Posted - 2006.05.02 04:38:00 - [655] I cant seem to shake the feeling that CCP is not replying just to see how long this thread will go on :(
Khanid Slayer	Posted - 2006.05.02 04:42:00 - [656] Edited by: Khanid Slayer on 02/05/2006 04:42:54 I'm not in the Goon corps, and yet I feel like looking over all the documentation on the game that a corp member limit runs against the spirit of New Eden. I also feel that allowing such a unanimous outpouring of communication from the player base definately deserves a response, even if not the response the players are looking for. Everything I've seen and read shows a significant amount of cooperation and even a level of intimacy between the game developers and GMs and the player base, EXCEPT for this thread that I just spent a LONG period of my life reading. This thread, left without even a hint of a mention of notice from any official source for so long, undermines my until-now quickly growing respect for the game and the community. I honestly read through this thread expecting there to be on the last page a reply from a developer saying the skill was being implemented. After I got halfway through it I was just expecting a reply. To get here and realize there was nothing... it was a true disappointment. It was like playing a really good game with no ending. Or reading all but the last chapter of a book. Please at least respond to these poor people. Thanks for reading, Khanid Slayer. (P.S. to Goonfleet/Goonwaffe: I know you said you don't recruit in game or on this forum, but I have half of my newbie corp blocked and can't find a decent corp anywhere. If you would consider inviting me without me having to involve a non-EVE related website, I would greatly appreciate it. Please contact me, preferably via EVEMail @ Khanid Slayer) (EDIT: 1 person posted WHILE I was typing. Scary. Even scarier, the next person to post will be #666.)
Will Weatherstone	Posted - 2006.05.02 04:43:00 - [657] I hope they release sovereignity before our next drive coming up - once we get another 600 people its going to be hard to fit them into even the two existing corps.
Anderton Faln	Posted - 2006.05.02 10:14:00 - [658] CCP, please release this skill.
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.05.02 13:58:00 - [659] Originally by: Khanid Slayer Edited by: Khanid Slayer on 02/05/2006 04:42:54 I'm not in the Goon corps, and yet I feel like looking over all the documentation on the game that a corp member limit runs against the spirit of New Eden. I also feel that allowing such a unanimous outpouring of communication from the player base definately deserves a response, even if not the response the players are looking for. Everything I've seen and read shows a significant amount of cooperation and even a level of intimacy between the game developers and GMs and the player base, EXCEPT for this thread that I just spent a LONG period of my life reading. This thread, left without even a hint of a mention of notice from any official source for so long, undermines my until-now quickly growing respect for the game and the community. I honestly read through this thread expecting there to be on the last page a reply from a developer saying the skill was being implemented. After I got halfway through it I was just expecting a reply. To get here and realize there was nothing... it was a true disappointment. It was like playing a really good game with no ending. Or reading all but the last chapter of a book. Please at least respond to these poor people. Thanks for reading, Khanid Slayer. (P.S. to Goonfleet/Goonwaffe: I know you said you don't recruit in game or on this forum, but I have half of my newbie corp blocked and can't find a decent corp anywhere. If you would consider inviting me without me having to involve a non-EVE related website, I would greatly appreciate it. Please contact me, preferably via EVEMail @ Khanid Slayer) (EDIT: 1 person posted WHILE I was typing. Scary. Even scarier, the next person to post will be #666.) Your impassioned post deserved a swift and honest response. Unfortunately we do not recruit from the general Eve community without some personal connection to the prospective member, and we can't make exceptions to that rule even for those who make lovely posts in our favour in this thread. Best of luck with your Eve experience and thank you for adding your voice to ours. -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Captain Trashman	Posted - 2006.05.02 23:05:00 - [660] Can we PLEASE GET THIS SKILL OH GOD
WarrenPeace	Posted - 2006.05.03 01:29:00 - [661] Please release the Sovereignty skill, or we might have to fly a dreadnought fleet to your house and blow it up while our frigate blob pods your pets.
Ingress	Posted - 2006.05.03 04:40:00 - [662] Any official reply on this would be greatly appreciated.
Sitek	Posted - 2006.05.03 06:24:00 - [663] Please release this skill. We'd <3 you longtime for it. Twisted Tune in: [url=http://www.twisted.co.nz/livefeed-v2/hifi.m3u]High[/url] \| [url=http://www.twisted.co.nz/livefeed-v2/lofi.m3u]Low[/url] NZ Electronica - Trance/DNB/PsyTrance/OtherStuff
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.05.03 09:49:00 - [664] Dont release the skill, and make max corp size 400. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Exelsior	Posted - 2006.05.03 10:20:00 - [665] Edited by: Exelsior on 03/05/2006 10:25:41 CCP, do you fully realise that this recruitment drive through an out of game forum is giving you tons of new subscribers, and tons of money? Do you realise your wallets are swelling up by about 20,000-30,000 Euros every month just because of these guys? And you are seriously going to dissapoint such a large community because, what, there are more important issues at hand? Tell me how much time it will take to implement a new skill, let's say..... an hour? Oh come on, all you need to do is make up a name for it, create new database values, seed the market and voila, I doubt you even need to patch the clients. Seriously this is bordering on the ridiculous now. Edit: I've just read through some posts, it seems you already have the name 'Sovereignty' for the skill, and it is already in the database. That leaves you to seeding the market....my god CCP that's like no work at all Thou shalt be dispatched.
Vicious Malicious	Posted - 2006.05.03 12:14:00 - [666] Maybe the skill is an agent offer from the Blood Raiders or some such at 1,000,000 loyalty points
Aeaon	Posted - 2006.05.03 15:42:00 - [667] Please release the skill CCP!
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.05.03 19:39:00 - [668] If not release the skill, at least give us a diffinitive answer.
Khaneee	Posted - 2006.05.03 20:55:00 - [669] Please to be releasing skill before killings
Cal Mortis	Posted - 2006.05.04 02:49:00 - [670] I am running out of chickens over here!
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.05.04 06:02:00 - [671] I was going to come up with a clever song but i am kinda of tired of doing that already. Again; An answer please ccp. Originally by: "thedragoon" ROFL have a good watch and eat your words o wise one
Elerie Dana	Posted - 2006.05.04 07:32:00 - [672] I have a few questions that I have come across on the forums which I suppose might be part of the problem. It would seem to me that if CCP released this skill then they would need to have their current problems with systems being overloaded fixed. If Goonfleet were to merge wouldn't that create systems where several hundred people were in one system at a time and thus add to their server problems. This may already be the case as I have no idea how you are set up and this is only a possibility as to why they haven't responded. I wish Goonfleet the best in this endeavor but want CCP to fix it's lag problems and constant shut downs first. Also wondering if they are concerned about lag in Goonfleet's home system for any fleet action which would make it almost impossible to be attacked. I don't know if any of this is true or not just my 2 cents.
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.05.04 09:09:00 - [673] Originally by: Elerie Dana I have a few questions that I have come across on the forums which I suppose might be part of the problem. It would seem to me that if CCP released this skill then they would need to have their current problems with systems being overloaded fixed. If Goonfleet were to merge wouldn't that create systems where several hundred people were in one system at a time and thus add to their server problems. This may already be the case as I have no idea how you are set up and this is only a possibility as to why they haven't responded. I wish Goonfleet the best in this endeavor but want CCP to fix it's lag problems and constant shut downs first. Also wondering if they are concerned about lag in Goonfleet's home system for any fleet action which would make it almost impossible to be attacked. I don't know if any of this is true or not just my 2 cents. But we already are living in the same system and we already are making the system overloaded, Just because we are two corps doesnt actualy affect our numbers. we all live in the same space and we all do the same stuff at the same time. Yes, the lag is horrible and yes ccp needs to fix it but really wether or not goonfleet is in two parts or one whole has no effect on this. Originally by: "thedragoon" ROFL have a good watch and eat your words o wise one
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:14:00 - [674] Please inform us on the release of sovereignty. Preferrably in song or verse.
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.05.04 16:32:00 - [675] Why do you hate our directors? Iraf Thaiberd > Any goonfleet directors in BWF at the moment? Sesfan Qu'lah > I'm in BWF Sesfan Qu'lah > but I'm Goonwaffe Sesfan Qu'lah > :( Aliksr > You have already set the maximum number of standings allowable (300). Please delete some obsolete standings and try again. Iraf Thaiberd > oh god just dump some negative standings Aliksr > yea Aliksr > gw never gets gone through Iraf Thaiberd > Any Goonwaffe directors on? Warflight > I'm in GW iraf, but im stuck at s2 Iraf Thaiberd > Nobody here can set GW standings?
Bein Glorious	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:47:00 - [676] Originally by: Elerie Dana I have a few questions that I have come across on the forums which I suppose might be part of the problem. It would seem to me that if CCP released this skill then they would need to have their current problems with systems being overloaded fixed. If Goonfleet were to merge wouldn't that create systems where several hundred people were in one system at a time and thus add to their server problems. This may already be the case as I have no idea how you are set up and this is only a possibility as to why they haven't responded. I wish Goonfleet the best in this endeavor but want CCP to fix it's lag problems and constant shut downs first. Also wondering if they are concerned about lag in Goonfleet's home system for any fleet action which would make it almost impossible to be attacked. I don't know if any of this is true or not just my 2 cents. If you've ever got a minute, look up system S-U8A4 on the map screen and select "Average number of pilots in space in the last 30 minutes", if you're curious. TRIP DRIVE ACTIVE
Sitek	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:53:00 - [677] I think this thread is in the running for longest thread that CCP has ignored. :( Please release it, or at least, say something. Twisted Tune in: [url=http://www.twisted.co.nz/livefeed-v2/hifi.m3u]High[/url] \| [url=http://www.twisted.co.nz/livefeed-v2/lofi.m3u]Low[/url] NZ Electronica - Trance/DNB/PsyTrance/OtherStuff
Coriola Margeta	Posted - 2006.05.05 00:50:00 - [678] HAY GUYZ PLZ!! I've taken the liberty of helping you out with the announcement, so you don't even need to do that yourself! Just cut and paste ok. OK. DO IT. ***************************************************************************** Sovereignty Released** reported by Oveur \| insert date here We saw the thread, we rololololololed a lot until we got bored then we decided to give the goons Sovereignty. We found as a result that all the lag disappeared and we are now making billions of *(insert name of Icelandic currency)* with new signups and happier players. Beers and hookers for everyone! *******************************************************************************
Talmssar	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:20:00 - [679] Give them it pls Usually Fool wishes goes other way around So they wont get that skill. I just prefer that all have good time here.
Woody Barbarian	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:29:00 - [680] I'd really appreciate it if you would release this skill CCP.
Wattish	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:19:00 - [681] Requesting news of this skill be released in the form of an epic blockbuster teaser trailer please.
Six Anari	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:29:00 - [682] Originally by: Wattish Requesting news of this skill be released in the form of an epic blockbuster teaser trailer please. "In a world where corporations are at war... one man builds the largest of them all. If you release only one skill this year, make it Sovereignty. This summer."
Xachar	Posted - 2006.05.06 00:35:00 - [683] Look, I made a news article so you guys dont have to! New skill Sovereignty, seeded on the open market 2006.05.27 14:51:54 Larger corporations give a greater sense of unity and friendship; and so due to popular demand the skillbook Sovereignty has been introduced to the world of EVE-Online. This marks the era of the super corporation. Massive corporations, bigger than entire alliances, are being born. This is how the newer pod pilots survive in the harsh and unforgiving expanses of lawless space, by banding together to shape the universe by sheer weight of numbers. Goonfleet may be the first of these, but it is surely not the last; as they show that new players can become a force to be reckoned with. There you have it, the skill is in the database, the news article is written. So all you have to do is seed it. Please?
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2006.05.06 00:36:00 - [684] Do it for the goons or give em a response. singed 4 goonfleet
Wattish	Posted - 2006.05.06 16:23:00 - [685] Originally by: Six Anari "In a world where corporations are at war... one man builds the largest of them all. If you release only one skill this year, make it Sovereignty. This summer." Eagerly awaiting advanced screenings.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.05.07 14:08:00 - [686] Requesting update!
Ja'kar	Posted - 2006.05.07 15:32:00 - [687] Edited by: Ja''kar on 07/05/2006 15:31:54 give them the skill and nerf frigs
exotron	Posted - 2006.05.07 17:05:00 - [688] add teh skill or I'll pod j00!
Achren	Posted - 2006.05.08 04:39:00 - [689] Give them the skill, or tell us why you can't. The whole silent treatment from CCP is getting pretty old... _______________________________________ Of course I brought everything I need.
Tripoli	Posted - 2006.05.08 04:42:00 - [690] It's not the silent treatment. The devs don't read this forum. --- 280 of 312 skills trained.
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.05.08 13:21:00 - [691] TomB Speaks. Response received. Yay.
Shinhan	Posted - 2006.05.08 14:26:00 - [692] Sorry for not reading entire thread (I did read first 3 pages) but its just too big. Since EVE corps/alliances is complicated, why not make it more complex? (no Im not sarcastic) My idea is adding another layer, where sub-corps (divisions) have limit of 1300. Corp could then be made up of several divisions. All the divisions could have both shared and unique hangars, shared and unique chat etc. The way I see it Goons have objections with non-shared hangars. Adding hangars that can be shared between corps (alliance hangar) would probably be enough. But with big corps logistics starts really piling up. Btw. IRL big corps are never monolithic AFAIK. Make corps able to subdivide for easier logistics. the DAEDALUS PROJECT
Freeside	Posted - 2006.05.08 14:44:00 - [693] Edited by: Freeside on 08/05/2006 14:49:58 Originally by: Shinhan Sorry for not reading entire thread (I did read first 3 pages) but its just too big. Since EVE corps/alliances is complicated, why not make it more complex? (no Im not sarcastic) My idea is adding another layer, where sub-corps (divisions) have limit of 1300. Corp could then be made up of several divisions. All the divisions could have both shared and unique hangars, shared and unique chat etc. The way I see it Goons have objections with non-shared hangars. Adding hangars that can be shared between corps (alliance hangar) would probably be enough. But with big corps logistics starts really piling up. Btw. IRL big corps are never monolithic AFAIK. Make corps able to subdivide for easier logistics. While being able to create sectors or segments within a corp might make things easier, it doesn't alter the fact that trying to run a single corp, but being forced to break it up into two seperate corps is a logistical nightmare, especially for a corp as red as GF. Offices/hangars/standings/etc. create twice the amount of work for our already overworked directors. Because of the limitations of the alliance system, and because we are already in an alliance with numerous non-goon corps, creating a faceted goonfleet alliance just isn't feasible. You're right about one thing though: logistically, being able to break a corporation into smaller segments would potentially make things easier for those corps who so desire (edit: assuming you retain the ability to manage things such as offices/standings/hangars on a corp-wide scale as easily as you can under the current system). The current situation, however, is not the same as what you're describing, and your proposal would in all likelihood require a LOT more work than what we've asked for. It would definitely make it easier to micromanage a corp, but micromanagement isn't always desired or feasible. But Tux has replied to our thread in General, and that's all we've ever wanted.
PeopleDamager	Posted - 2006.05.09 13:44:00 - [694] Every post in this forum sais the same thing :) I'm very curious about what the GM's will do. I'dd say, keep an eye on the path notes!! Personally, just to add my opinion like everyone else, don't see any reason not to release a skill which will add more members to your corp. Member amount restrictions make no sense at all, not any game has these, neither should EVE. Unless there are technical diffitulties for this. I can imagine no on ever tried to create a corporation of this size in any game, especially with the corporation functions this game has, it can be a problem. Hope this tread will not get bumped anymore :-). PD
Betonela	Posted - 2006.07.03 06:28:00 - [695] bump >< >< >< >< >< ><
Foodchain GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.11.26 01:38:00 - [696] Posting in this thread to say thank you CCP. Thank you for finally releasing sovereignty with Revelations. The sad little bee is going to be happy on November 28th.
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:10:00 - [697] Originally by: Foodchain Posting in this thread to say thank you CCP. Thank you for finally releasing sovereignty with Revelations. The sad little bee is going to be happy on November 28th. November 29th. 24-hour DT. --- 295 of 315 skills trained.

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