REBALANCING

• Pirate ships, tech 2 and tech 3 ships will be rebalanced before capital ships.
• Boosting mechanics will be reworked further at some point.
• T3s wonGÇÖt be nerfed to the brink of uselessness but the subsystems will be rebalanced to ensure every one has a viable role in different situations.
• The webbing bonus Serpentis ships utilise may be removed.

With the recent marauder change, two ships capable of 90% webbing are gone (Kronos and Paladin), leaving only the Serpentis line-up capable of that. Are 90% webs planned to be eliminated from EvE alltogether?
What are your feelings on 90% webs?
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CCP Rise's response:
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I think Fozzie and Ytterbium might be okay getting rid of them, I kind of like them, guess we'll see where we end up after pirate rebalance.

90% webs are insanely OP and do need to be nerfed at the very least but maybe making serpentis a more shield focused very fast blaster line is more interesting ... since armour and blasters aren't a very good combo anyway.... speed and gank is a nice alternative...

Also the fact that blood raiders line also has the 90% web atm means they could still keep one line with it maybe reduced to 75% web or change it it too web range like the Bhaalgorn has..

I think this is hardly relevant for most players, and reads more about a complaint about something that hasn't even happened. In before lock due to ranting.

A little early to cry about a nerf, don't you think?

Different is not always worse... if 90% web is removed from the game, it's still entirely likely that the pirate ships will all have something worthwhile.

Its far better to adress OPs topic now, then when things are already worked on, and introduced

Well, that's the thing. "Waah, no, don't change anything" is not useful feedback. Given that a rebalance is in the pipeline, you should expect changes... the only question is, what they'll actually wind up being. It's not useful to just argue against whatever change happens to happen... but it might be useful to actually suggest possible changes.

Some CCP devs, again, want to get rid of 90% web. Okay... if it is concluded that 90% is too much, what else might they get to compensate? Maybe 5% effectiveness plus a web range boost? If you actually want to influence the discussion, you need to propose ideas, not merely argue against change itself.

never said anything about if change is good or bad... what i do think is good is, that players voice their opnions to why, and how, before something is implemented

Actually all we know is that a couple of Devs are ok with the idea of 90% webs going away. Not even that they want the webs to go away.
Anyway, will it affect a couple of things like incursions. Yes. Will players adapt just fine like players always do. Also yes. If the web bonus goes away, some other bonus will come in to replace it. Which will open up different game play options.

I think there's a couple of problems with you OP, but I can see that there's a bit of confusion stemming from how quickly the question got answered in a AMA format.

I'll start by confirming that some kind of change to the Serpentis and Blood Raider web bonus is something we have been thinking about for a while.

Web strength bonuses are some of the most powerful bonuses available to any ship, which makes them very interesting and valuable but also makes some of their results problematic. Interestingly, the way the strength of the bonus presents itself is very different in different contexts. At the frigate level with the Daredevil, the power of 90% webs primarily comes from range control. At the battleship level with the Vindicator it primarily comes from transversal control (especially when used as a force multiplier). At the cruiser level it falls in the middle and ends up being (relatively speaking) less powerful and less oppressive as a result.
I am not going to try to claim that we have our plan of action worked out, and there will be plenty of discussion before we implement our Pirate ship balance pass.

One thing I can say for sure though is that we consider the solo Daredevil and the force multiplier Vindicator to both be too strong in their current states, and that we recognize that the primary source of their disproportionate power is the web bonus (for different reasons as I said above).

Another thing I can say for sure is that we will never base our design decisions on what Nyancat has stockpiled or not stockpiled.

I think there's a couple of problems with you OP, but I can see that there's a bit of confusion stemming from how quickly the question got answered in a AMA format.

This was inevitable.

You ruined heavy, medium, and light drones in missions and anom's with the moronic changes to the AI, ignoring massive amounts of feedback, because you knew better than everyone else.
You ruined the Paladin and Kronos, ignoring a 380 page threadnaught, because you knew better than everyone else.

Now, you will ruin the Daredevil, Vigilant, and Vindi, ignoring massive pre-emptive feedback, because you know better than everyone else.

You are more of a plague on this game than the goons.

Was the drone assist exploit ever addressed? Where do we stand with off-grid boosting? Sovereignty? Do we mention how battleships are now more or less useless in a solo role outside of a fleet, or was that the intent?

The fact that you're arguing against the idea of a rebalance, based on essentially a rumour about that rebalance, without any real information as to the specifics of that rebalance, or even the proposed direction of that rebalance, is pretty much just ranting.

People are understandable trying to avoid that kind of situation when CCP actually publish a new "rebalance pass", concept of which is already set in stone and only open for a few minor tweaks by that time.

When the CCP Devs don't listen to us, vitriol like that is almost certainly the reason. I don't know what it is that makes you overreact so hysterically to things.

By the way, I just want to point out that I took a pulse-fitted Paladin on a tour of the entire New Eden cluster recently, shooting at whatever ridiculous anoms I could find. It worked pretty well without a web even fitted, let alone bonused. Nothing has been ruined except your precious shiny incursion fleet.



You may not find this as amusing as I do, but these questions were answered in the AMA.

The Daredevil seems to be a ship centered around solo PvP... When you remove the very thing that makes it so effective at solo PvP, Why would you even use it in the first place? The only thing that gives these ships their power IS the 90%, and its not like these ships are immune to everything... There are plenty of counters to the Daredevil / 90% web... Neuts, camps, jammers - basically any ewar besides TD the Daredevil is useless against.

Ah, nice to see you finally admit that the Paladin was indeed ruined for Incursions.
Before, it was the standard lie "oh no, the ship will be fine, you have to adapt".

I should get on my Jita alt and see how much Daredevil prices have dropped in the past hour.
The ship will be worthless within 24 hours.

I'm very bad at saying things the way I want them to be said the first time around. Take another look.

I generally try to make all my edits quickly before someone has an opportunity to respond to, like or quote me.