No, that's definitely not true. The earlier we lose our minds, the earlier YOU lose your minds on this topic and actually think harder about what you are about to do. And I sure hope for your sake that you do think harder now.

(...) stop stripping stuff and nerfing, and rather ADD mods/features which a player can train to COUNTER the bonus of a specific ship. This not only adds more flavor and variety to the game, but again will echo lore and RL, where a counter is developed to a big technical advantage over time. This lets you balance PVP, without killing PVE roles.

Man, if I knew that posting a long winded version of "we are thinking about what we might change someday in this area" would generate a thread this amusing I would have done it earlier.

Uniqueness is good, doubly so for pirate ships. The flavour of the Serpentis line is very strong (in fact it is the line we tend to use as the example of what we want to replicate with the other pirate factions). We are not going to take that away.

Ask me about my Naglfar Alpha, my 6% Hardwired Talos, or Fighterbombers.

Man, if I knew that posting a long winded version of "we are thinking about what we might change someday in this area" would generate a thread this amusing I would have done it earlier.

Uniqueness is good, doubly so for pirate ships. The flavour of the Serpentis line is very strong (in fact it is the line we tend to use as the example of what we want to replicate with the other pirate factions). We are not going to take that away.

You guys really don't need to lose your minds so far ahead of time.

We haven't said anything specific about any of this and that's because we aren't actually making any changes yet. Webs might change some, they might not. We have to put in time actually looking at the problem and go through a process before we have something concrete to ask for feedback on.

And how are these in SAME CLASS as stated in my text?

The talos with 6% hardwiring.. why not compare to a vindicator with same hardwiring?

You try to be obnoxious or you are just incapable of reading? I am not a native enlgihs speaker, but I am amazed how low are comprehension and logical skills on these forums. Geez

Very interesting idea. Not only does it mirror technological development in RL, it also matches what is available in terms of ECM/ECCM or point/warpcore-stabilizer in EVE. Design modules which can counter webs, and perhaps even new skills which govern these modules. Better than nerfing ship traits, and it would leave the decision about using the new modules or not to the players.

This thread is so bad that Dinsdale's presence in it actually doesn't make it worse. That's really saying something.

Look CCP, I love this game, we all do, but this is by far the worst idea you have put out in a very long time. Nerfing the Serpentis web bonus is a serious mistake. For the amount of ISK we put into these ships, the roles they take up on, we deserve to keep these ships as is.

Now, the T3 ships why even touch them? I would understand rebalancing the Legion, in other words buff it, but other than that why touch the other T3's? The other T3's are fine as is...

I hope CCP doesnt decide to go through with such changes. You will destroy EvE, I wont stop playing it but i will be that much closer to it.

"CCP, please keep us informed about and involved in the dev process as early as possible!"

"CCP, if you dare to share your rough ideas and thoughts with us well in advance we will flame you to the ground."


Also, I just came up with a nice motto: More brainstorming, less shitstorming!

Uniqueness is good, doubly so for pirate ships.... We are not going to take that away.

Let's not **** this up like the RLML rebalance and instead

change the web bonus to 5%/level instead of 10% and then PUBLICLY TEST IT

Infact I can't even fathom a single gimmick to give serpentis ships that would adequately replace their web bonus in any form, that would not render the line defunct and undesirable.

Hopefully that uniqueness doesn't refer to anything with extended reload? Being paranoid I can already see webs with scripts coming - 20 seconds burst mode, 40 seconds reload.

CCP Rise and Fozzzie, you see this^

PUBLIC TEST and FEEDBACK

Cause, honestly, I no longer trust you or the CSM to do what is best for the player base as a whole. Though I do trust the CSM slightly more than you two, at least presently. That can always change however!

Man, if I knew that posting a long winded version of "we are thinking about what we might change someday in this area" would generate a thread this amusing I would have done it earlier.

Uniqueness is good, doubly so for pirate ships. The flavour of the Serpentis line is very strong (in fact it is the line we tend to use as the example of what we want to replicate with the other pirate factions). We are not going to take that away.

The realm of Fozzie and Rise's creativity seems to be limited to 'add tracking /damage/tanking/optimal range bonuses and then add an ROF bonus and then give it a mwd sig reduction and we've now made that ship balanced and unique".

You see I know because they've had all t1 and t2 ships save recons now to 'be creative' with and all we've gotten in return is 200 flavors of what I just said.

90% webs are a ridiculously overpowered bonus.

Especially on a ship capable of fielding 300k+ ehp.

Massive smack with the nerfbat would serve well. I think 90% web cruisers are alright, because while they act like massive force multipliers they are relatively easy to kill compared to the battleships.

I don't actually think that the Daredevil is that overpowered unless its run with links.. With links its absolutely stupid but without them its just very good.

So bash the Vindi, adjust the cruisers gently, and slap the frigs a bit.

We are not going to take that away.

Is it that hard to understand that everyone who actually flies these ships doesn't want them to simply be a faster Navy Mega with a bit more DPS? Maybe you do for your blob gangs, but guess what - the vast majority of people who actually fly these things for any significant length of time understand the importance of the web in balancing engagements.

exactly 90% webs is the **** that makes it so effective,

It makes the ship slower than using a scrambler and thats the unique thing about it

Even if you make 80% out of it then its just a expensive thorax and wont be used at all due to price and lack of the (dont need a scram i got 24km webs



just imagine the ship as a arazu with proper dps bonus, makes the thing less scary isnt it?

Eg: Geddon?