They can remain unique and with a clear serpentis without 90% web.

The realm of Fozzie and Rise's creativity seems to be limited to 'add tracking /damage/tanking/optimal range bonuses and then add an ROF bonus and then give it a mwd sig reduction and we've now made that ship balanced and unique".

You see I know because they've had all t1 and t2 ships save recons now to 'be creative' with and all we've gotten in return is 200 flavors of what I just said.

These ships are unique now, and having these two snow flakes put a little magic in them along with that french guy who ignored 300 pages of user feed back does NOT inspire confidence when they just got done going through and making every ship a generic version of each other.

Pray tell fine poster what bonus could be given over to the Serpentis line that would keep their unique feel and performance while not being the same stupid bonuses that have been given to the other ships already?


Maybe something like a web bonus right?

Maybe something like a web bonus right?

Marauders are not destroyed. They are now extremely good. Learn to adapt to change.

I would quite happily trade that web bonus for a 90% Sensor Damp bonus.

The realm of Fozzie and Rise's creativity seems to be limited to 'add tracking /damage/tanking/optimal range bonuses and then add an ROF bonus and then give it a mwd sig reduction and we've now made that ship balanced and unique".

You see I know because they've had all t1 and t2 ships save recons now to 'be creative' with and all we've gotten in return is 200 flavors of what I just said.

These ships are unique now, and having these two snow flakes put a little magic in them along with that french guy who ignored 300 pages of user feed back does NOT inspire confidence when they just got done going through and making every ship a generic version of each other.

Pray tell fine poster what bonus could be given over to the Serpentis line that would keep their unique feel and performance while not being the same stupid bonuses that have been given to the other ships already?


Maybe something like a web bonus right?

meehhh I would prefer a 900% hull resistance...

I don't think it's so much a question of 90% webs being overpowered as it is of webs themselves being a bit too generally useful at the moment. As it stands, a regular 60% web is simultaneously a powerful tool for range/transversal control and around twice as powerful as a target painter for increasing the damage applied to a target due to the way the tracking formula and missile damage expression work. If you decoupled the range/transversal control from the direct effect on damage application, you'd probably make the game as a whole a lot more interesting as well as giving target painters more of a role and solving the "problem" of Vindicators acting as overtanked force multipliers (I'm not convinced that the DD having good range control is particularly problematic).

(I'm not convinced that the DD having good range control is particularly problematic).

I don't think it's so much a question of 90% webs being overpowered as it is of webs themselves being a bit too generally useful at the moment. As it stands, a regular 60% web is simultaneously a powerful tool for range/transversal control and around twice as powerful as a target painter for increasing the damage applied to a target due to the way the tracking formula and missile damage expression work. If you decoupled the range/transversal control from the direct effect on damage application, you'd probably make the game as a whole a lot more interesting as well as giving target painters more of a role and solving the "problem" of Vindicators acting as overtanked force multipliers (I'm not convinced that the DD having good range control is particularly problematic).

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One thing I can say for sure though is that we consider the solo Daredevil and the force multiplier Vindicator to both be too strong in their current states, and that we recognize that the primary source of their disproportionate power is the web bonus (for different reasons as I said above).

Another thing I can say for sure is that we will never base our design decisions on what Nyancat has stockpiled or not stockpiled.

Eve doesn't need 50 shades of Drakes, Fozzie.

There is nothing wrong with the web bonus.

Ewar Deflection modules would be an amazing game play that would certainly reward those players who prepare for a particular situation Deflection modules for jammers, target paints, webs, warp disruption, nos and neut, not only do you create a new game play, you allow people to still use the ship for their bonus in cases when the target isn't sufficiently prepared.

Rebalancing[/i] always come in the form of a NERF? WHY, WHY WHY....

Well they coudl simply nerf the bonus on the vindi and devil to 7.5% per level...

For daredevil I'd start by changing the hybrid bonus into a blaster bonus. A big part of the problem with the web is links, namely interdiction maneuvers, which still hasn't been fixed (i.e. nerfed down to a reasonable bonus like 5-10%, or changed into something more sensible). Swapping the web strength out for, say, web resistance or scram immunity would keep the range dictation without being an exploitable blob tool. Pretty much the only daredevils I see are rails, links and faction web (totally immune to getting caught by anything), or part of a gatecamp for efficient blobbing of honourable solo pvpers.

I'd look at just toning down webs in general loads, they're silly. I'd like to see something like standard webs being -50%, or even less. I'd also look at using a much steeper stacking penalty than normal, so things could not be webbed beyond, say, -70% max.

Oversized prop mods would need to be done away with at the same time though, because those are dumb and broken.

The point of this is more relevant small ships in gang fights, other than long range interceptors. Being able to avoid damage from larger ships flown by competent people just never seems to happen. CCP seems to try to work around this by dropping mwd sig bonuses everywhere, which are nice for kiting ships I guess, but not much good on a brawler other than for safely flying over to the things that will kill you, instead of dying on the way there. I think a rework of propulsion, webs, links and tracking/sig would do better. I'm also mad at dread blapping, and want it to go away. It's one of those things like mwd/cloak warping - ccp have made attempts to fix it, but seem to have just given up after they all failed.

You claim that this change will improve small gangs. I tell you, it will not - small gangs need to be able to hold targets in place, and needing one of the few ships able to do that properly is NOT the answer.

The Serpentis have been designed around these web bonuses, and the reason their ships are so expensive is because of their utility..

One thing I can say for sure though is that we consider the solo Daredevil and the force multiplier Vindicator to both be too strong in their current states, and that we recognize that the primary source of their disproportionate power is the web bonus (for different reasons as I said above).