100% web ~range~.


Do you not even read the words you're typing?

I personally think that web bonuses on ships with more than 100k ehp should die in a fire.

Again, i haven't been sleeping for 30 hours. I even edited out the post as i saw my error before you posted that anyways.

90% web effect isn't any more overpowered than 100% longer web range

You've edited it out to pretend it was a double post. Not embarrassed by not knowing what you yourself said 10 minutes earlier I hope?


Anyway, that takes us neatly back to the question you still haven't answered; Please explain how a web range bonus allows blap dreads to track ab hacs (or even ab frigates) in the same way that a 90% web does?

EDIT: Just to add. Any professional and experienced Machariel pilots will ALWAYS win over other ships by keeping range / controlling distance. How is that not any more overpowered than being close and controlling the fight there in the same way as a Machariel pilot controls the fight at ranges?

90% web effect isn't any more overpowered than 100% longer web range

Please explain how a web range bonus allows blap dreads to track ab hacs (or even ab frigates) in the same way that a 90% web does?

Dreads are not pirate ships.

Just saying.

Dreads are not pirate ships.

Just saying.

If a XL guns can track then so can literally every other gun in game. You are aware that fleets exist right?

So again; Please explain how a web range bonus allows blap dreads to track ab hacs (or even ab frigates) in the same way that a 90% web does?

Again, what a pirate ship is and does should be independent on what other ships is capable of doing.

This is true. However I dont think anyone besides you has ever argued that the only metric for balance should be intra-class balance.

And multiple people have said in this thread "90% webs are super broken, but when you nerf them you have to give the serpentis line something else"

That something else will probably take the form of a falloff or tracking bonus (or even both), unless Fozzie decides to do something more exotic.

shield tanked fast and ganky would be nice like a hyped up shield thorax ... and leave the web strength with the blood raiders instead
or blood raiders could be web range instead across the board instead of only bhaal having it ... it would match with scorch and neut range bonus 15km sweet spot of neuts, webs and lasers..

Yes, and 90% webs are broken both in the context of a vindicator alone, and in the (much more common) context of vindicators in a fleet with dreads.

So just because dreads are able to hit some ships because their targets are webbed enough makes the webbing ships to powerfull?

So intead of using 3x Vindicators, we can use 6x Megathrons. Oh nooooooes, the Megathrons will be to powerfull to as they will web most ships down so much that any dreads can hit them to.

OMG, nerf the 60% webs down to 40% now.

Ok, im going to spell this out very clearly and slowly for you.

No number of 60% webs can match 2 or more 90% webs. Not 6 60% webs. Not 10 60% webs. Not a million 60% webs. 6 megathrons will web a ship down less than 1 vindicator. will. 600 megathrons will web a ship down less than 1 vindicator will. 60000000000 megathrons will web a ship down less than 1 vindicator will.

Ok, im going to spell this out very clearly and slowly for you.

No number of 60% webs can match 2 or more 90% webs. Not 6 60% webs. Not 10 60% webs. Not a million 60% webs. 6 megathrons will web a ship down less than 1 vindicator. will. 600 megathrons will web a ship down less than 1 vindicator will. 60000000000 megathrons will web a ship down less than 1 vindicator will.

That was not the point acording to you. The point was that a dread could hit the ships because they was being webbed down so much that X-L guns would hit then no matter what and not how much 3x Vindicators would be able to web a ship down compared to 6x Megathrons.

So what I'm getting from reading all of this is everyone wants risk free PVP.

You all think you should be able to whip around in your frigates and HAC's with impunity.

A ship shows up that actually threatens you and NOPE TOO STRONK NRF PLS!!!

You realise that due to stacking penalties it's only possible to web things to that level with 90% webs?

Read my edited post over.

I think you're missing the point, it's not that there are counters, it's that the largest ship in game can counter a vast, vast range of ships including the smallest, fastest ones in game.

Or are you really suggesting that the counter to a fleet should be to not fight it?

I 100% Agree with the statement that sometimes the counter is to NOT fight.

P sure that one has been in the Warfare manual since Early China, sometime around the era of Sun Tzu.....


What I don't agree with is any ship in the game feeling it is 100% safe from anything. If you undock into hostiles, you will be shot. And likely die. It's about as fundamental as anything gets.

Your post is still wrong. 2 ships webbing a target with 1 web each is the same as 1 ship webbing a target with 2 webs.

Edit: I really, really think you should join eve uni for a while.

Oh in that case lets give rifters doomsday devices and punishers x-l lasers.