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kieron

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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:19:00 -
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After a minor database issue, the Bloodlines patch has been deployed. If you missed them the first time around, Patch Notes are still available for viewing and the patch may be found here if you want to manually patch your client.
Please note: the new Patch Wizard includes a file, exefile.exe, which will attempt to connect back to the EVE server. This file updates the EVE splash screen, and is not malicious.
As with any patch, there are bound to be some issues that made it through the QA process. Please post issues in this thread, but keep comments constructive and please file bug reports where appropriate. Flames, rants and other unconstructive posts will be deleted.
The Dev Team will be monitoring this thread and reply with updates as they become available.
Enjoy the new content, enjoy Bloodlines!
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies! YAY Cookies!! -Kaemonn |
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Arcadia1701
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:21:00 -
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none of the markets work?? iv been to 3 regions and i get this *The Placid market region has been closed until further notice by the SCC while officials investiage allegations of insider trading. Please try again tomorrow, or refer to another market region for your trading needs.* anyone else got this?
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Bex Beere
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bex Beere on 02/03/2006 18:21:37 hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
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Kythoma
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Arcadia1701 none of the markets work?? iv been to 3 regions and i get this *The Placid market region has been closed until further notice by the SCC while officials investiage allegations of insider trading. Please try again tomorrow, or refer to another market region for your trading needs.* anyone else got this?
get the same message in lonetrek
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BuRnCyCLE95
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:23:00 -
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Roid belt icons are gone again, alt key does not display them.
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:23:00 -
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Massive traffic report problems, as I'm sure you're aware. A *lot* of stargates are closed; my hauler tried one jump and can't back.
Got a torrent of stargate closure messages when I logged in...
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Arcadia1701
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Arcadia1701 on 02/03/2006 18:24:43
Originally by: inSpirAcy Massive traffic report problems, as I'm sure you're aware. A *lot* of stargates are closed; my hauler tried one jump and can't back.
Got a torrent of stargate closure messages when I logged in...
yeh like 20 stargates ahve been closed in 5 minutes there lol, and local seems to be broke for me also. anyone else? lol
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kieron

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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:25:00 -
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The large number of traffic advisories and market issues are due to the start up of the servers, and CPU load. As the servers and database settle in, the number of traffic advisories will decrease and markets will open. This is a known issue and will be addressed.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies! YAY Cookies!! -Kaemonn |
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solidshot
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bex Beere Edited by: Bex Beere on 02/03/2006 18:21:37 hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
someone said in local they had refined a load of ice an only got heavy water in return as well
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Riggwelter
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:26:00 -
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Got people and places opening itself after every jump i make.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:27:00 -
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I used alts to find out that most every market is still closed.
I was one of the first 1500 to login and traffic reports started comming in from everywhere around the universe. Seems the threshold for these advisories may be a bit low?
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Psiliona
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:27:00 -
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Uh Oh... someone broked it!!
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Nazhuret
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:27:00 -
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Created a new character. You have 0 skills and 0 skill points. Can't even fly my starter ship ;) Everytime I relog I get a new Impairor though, just too bad I can't use it.
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Bozse
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Bozse on 02/03/2006 18:28:41 Created a new char for fun and it's got 0 skills and 0 sp with 0 isk when loged on =/
Edit: And a new ibis every time i log on =/
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Arcadia1701
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:28:00 -
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can anyone else type in local, i cant see anyhting i or anyone else types, very strange.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 02/03/2006 18:29:18 I¦ll wardec the Devs until I get a reply about the sacrilege nerf
EDIT: Just noticed that all devs are hiding in noob corps. COME OUT!! ------ Ö Ship lover
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:29:00 -
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Also, when you create a new character with a new bloodline (I did Khanid), the final step seems borked and you get a mix of character creation screen and character selection screen superimposed upon each other, a restart of the client seems to fix it.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:30:00 -
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hey look! post-patch jitters!
cool off guys, all of this is not new. ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:30:00 -
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why has there been a 2nd exe(exefile.exe) file been added after the main eve.exe?
used to rename the eve.exe to my main char per account for task maneger overview&priority change and renaming exefile.exe just breaks the client as it obviously can`t find it  ________________ I don't DO graphics, here's a sig anyway, wubwoo - Cortes lol thanks :-) |

Bozse
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: ****take Also, when you create a new character with a new bloodline (I did Khanid), the final step seems borked and you get a mix of character creation screen and character selection screen superimposed upon each other, a restart of the client seems to fix it.
Got that aswell
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Irrilian
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:31:00 -
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Racing to get on after the server got up. My fellow addicts and I were greeted with a flurry of travel advisories.
This appears to have caused a little confusion as people arent that aware of the new feature (plus I understand that the node start up is queued? Thus the nodes underload as they finish starting generate a large nubmer of messages), that or there really is a node issue.
It might be worth adjusting the threshhold for advisory warnings during the period after initial start up? - - - The Big Blue, ôExodus realised.ö |

Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:32:00 -
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Why remove my thread ??
Linkage 1 Linkage 2 Linkage 3
Please sort this out !
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak hey look! post-patch jitters!
cool off guys, all of this is not new.
Reporting problems with the patch is not post-patch jitters.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:32:00 -
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Appears i'm a little more lucky than most, my new char has "You currently have 3 skills and 3,330 skill points" and 0.00isk. Fix?

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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:33:00 -
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hmm, can't load EMP M ammo into my 220 Vulcan AC's... got this message:
2006.03.02 18:30:15 notify There is not enough space to add those charges. There is only 4.000000 units of space, but the charges require 8.000000 units.
Anyone else?
--- 49. Fares Hrym from the east / holding his shield the Mithgard-Worm / in mighty rage scatters the waves / screams the eagle his nib tears the dead / Naglfar loosens.
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Santiago Cortes

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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:33:00 -
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Quote: The large number of traffic advisories and market issues are due to the start up of the servers, and CPU load. As the servers and database settle in, the number of traffic advisories will decrease and markets will open. This is a known issue and will be addressed.
Ditto the character issue also.
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:34:00 -
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Installing a T2 manufacturing job stucks at "installing job"
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dabster
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:35:00 -
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Every time I jump, the market opens. Very annoying. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click. |

Irrilian
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:36:00 -
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Would it be posible to have an map Autopilot option to plot routes about systems with a travel advisory? Similar to the "avoid systems where pod killing has recently occured" check box. - - - The Big Blue, ôExodus realised.ö |

Sparls
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:37:00 -
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Maybe you guys should know that usually after every patch their are problems... Ya I'm addicted too but the point is is that we all know eve has problems.. just deal with it. Nothing we can do, they will fix it shortly im guessing.
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Hung Sing
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:38:00 -
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just made this new char to cheak it out and i find out i cant even fly a velator (n00b ship)
also had difficulties actually creating the char as once i finish it goes back to step 1 or 4 of char creation
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: dabster Every time I jump, the market opens. Very annoying.
Happens after Jump, dock and undock or generaly every session change. ------ Ö Ship lover
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:38:00 -
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Cannot warp to Mission deadspace... Funtanainen System in Lonetrek.
-G
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Zeus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:38:00 -
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Archon's carriers Bonus's still wrong. Still got Shield transfer range instead of Remote armour rep range..
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Pherail
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:39:00 -
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Having problems making new character, when at the end of the sequence it doesn't finish properly. You are basicaly left with tep 10/10 at the character selection window (as you log in)
If you finish step 10/10 and restart client all is ok
and the market doesn't work ;)
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Rulkez
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Rulkez on 02/03/2006 18:39:48 character sheet, EvE mail and market open everytime i dock/undock or jump 
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j'inha poon
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:39:00 -
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35 minutes after server is up and my 2nd new character has 1 skill and 250 skill points
GG
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kieron

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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:40:00 -
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The issue with new character creation is known and being worked on. It appears that there are some issues with the Newbie Skills table that need to be resolved. The Devs are working on a fix.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies! YAY Cookies!! -Kaemonn |
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Kuiper
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kuiper on 02/03/2006 18:48:40 Edited by: Kuiper on 02/03/2006 18:45:47 What! No new skills with the new bloodlines.. I mean come on sheesh at least they could have come with a take out menu.
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Lousianna
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:42:00 -
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Possibly item duplication scheme found and reported as an exploit petition on this char.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:44:00 -
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Heh,
Login.. got "emergency reboot".. But with enought time to change skills =) Nice timing on me part  --- Regional Sell orders |

MachZERO
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lousianna Possibly item duplication scheme found and reported as an exploit petition on this char.
That would explain the "OMFG!! Shut it DOWN!! Shut it DOWN!!" server restart we just got.. lol
40 seconds to find some place safe.. lol
love'n it :)
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Khonsu on 02/03/2006 18:52:48 Very polished patch and deployment \o/
Sorry, just had to.. We know you're working hard, but this was funny 
Couple of things:
- I didn't need to set affinity to only 1 core on my dual core system to make the game run fluidly. Nice!
- The eve process in task manager has been renamed from eve.exe to the very informative exefile.exe.
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TheSickness
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:51:00 -
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i made a new character , one of the new bloodlines, and before i finished it, the character log screen appeared and over lapped with the character creation screen, then it wouldnt let me make my final choice of specialty. I finnaly rebooted and logged my new character but he has only 3 skills and 268k sp in them.
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:56:00 -
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killed a guy and his ship was still showing over 5 mind later.
please reimburse him his ship hes likely to petition as he was lagged out. i felt bad after i spoke to him.
Victim Thursday, March 2nd Involved 2006-03-02 18:04:00 Name: Gulli B Corporation: Drones of Annihilation Alliance: Imperial Republic Of the North Ship: Dominix (battleship) System: H-W9TY (0.0)
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Liisa
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe
hmm, can't load EMP M ammo into my 220 Vulcan AC's... got this message:
2006.03.02 18:30:15 notify There is not enough space to add those charges. There is only 4.000000 units of space, but the charges require 8.000000 units.
I can load the ammo if i first unload the current ammo into my cargo.
I have a simular problem with my 1400mm guns on my tempest. I cannot switch from depleted uranium directly to nuclear ammunition. I get the same notify message as you do, but with different units of space of course.
Other cominations seem to work, like depleted to emp, emp to nuclear. Only depleted to nuclear seems to have this problem (but I have not tested all combinations as I did not have all ammunition types available). www.farstrider.de/hirr/EVE/signatures/liisasig.png[/img]
I am free \o/ Sadly your sig is also slightly above the required limits of 400 x 120, total size not exceeding 24000 kbs - Cortes |

slothe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:56:00 -
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killed a guy and his ship was still showing over 5 mind later.
please reimburse him his ship hes likely to petition as he was lagged out. i felt bad after i spoke to him.
Victim Thursday, March 2nd Involved 2006-03-02 18:04:00 Name: Gulli B Corporation: Drones of Annihilation Alliance: Imperial Republic Of the North Ship: Dominix (battleship) System: H-W9TY (0.0)
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Fantome
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:57:00 -
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It's me or Carriers's Drones have got a severe nerf stick ( like 33% less on damX for amar ones...)????
 Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |

Muiterij
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:57:00 -
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When I looked at my asset window I was missing the systems where I bought yesterday some minerals.
Only had the systems in there, before the buy.
Hope after the reboot this problem will be solved.
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Grandma Mooncricket
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:01:00 -
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I am unable to log on. It says unable to connect to the server?
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Tom McCash
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:02:00 -
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the corp-hangar seems a littel bit buged. i have put some items into the carrier corphangar but i cant find the items (0 items in every division). they only update is the cargospace 100m3/5.000m3.
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Tom McCash
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:02:00 -
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the corp-hangar seems a littel bit buged. i have put some items into the carrier corphangar but i cant find the items (0 items in every division). they only update is the cargospace 100m3/5.000m3.
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Godagast Goudiyah
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: kieron The issue with new character creation is known and being worked on. It appears that there are some issues with the Newbie Skills table that need to be resolved. The Devs are working on a fix.
Good, because I have the same problem. I hope I don't have to delete the character and create a new one. I want this name exactly - which means that I'd have to wait half a day. But here's hoping, maybe I still get my proper starting skills on this try...
No offense, but you wonder why this particular problem occurs. I can understand lag and reboots after a patch. But the whole character creation being messed up? Isn't that what the test server is for, to weed out problems with the "newbie skills table" and such? God knows how many "test characters" from among the new bloodlines I created over there...
Anyway, I know you'll get it working eventually. Thanks for the new content.
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Mastoras
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:07:00 -
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I was about to log in and switch skill, but looks like ill lost a few hours now :(
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:07:00 -
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Feels like someone went and played with the rounding and decimals in game.
Travel advisory needs to have the thresold pushed way up ie have a limiter on it so that it only kicks in if theres an excess of 70 people in a system.
And keep logins blocked until the cluster is fully up.
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Gladius Bear
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:07:00 -
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I have the same unable to connect issue, even before the unscheduled reboot.
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Funia
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:11:00 -
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every time i jump threw a gate my Eve-mail opens.
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 -
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Anyone else notice that the forums are kinda screwy too? 'specially this topic, for some reason. ---------------------------------------
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Umbriele
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sparls Maybe you guys should know that usually after every patch their are problems... Ya I'm addicted too but the point is is that we all know eve has problems.. just deal with it. Nothing we can do, they will fix it shortly im guessing.
Very true. But then, what the QA does? It seems it does not work very well.
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Necronomicon Anyone who pvps/npcs/loads T2 BPOs into factories/DOESN'T SET A LONG SKILL LIKE THEY SAID TO right after a major patch needs some "Patch Day 101" lessons.
lol - so true 
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BuRnCyCLE95
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: BuRnCyCLE95 Roid belt icons are gone again, alt key does not display them.
Can someone from CCP give me a response to this, I belive the patch notes said the icons would be removed but the alt key would cause them to display. When the server was up the icons were in fact gone but the alt key did nothing. Are the roid icons gone for good again or was the alt key not working just a bug?
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2George
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 -
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May the power of programming/fixin be in your hands dev team.
p.s.: please fix it fast i need the game (sorry i'm addicted) LOL 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:14:00 -
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yay for QA department..
"We brake for nobody"
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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:14:00 -
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Guys cool down
Remember the new server deplyement? They were 8 hours early.
So now they got a problem **** happens.Just chill down. ******** "...And thereÆs even some evil mothers Well theyÆre gonna tell you that everything is just dirt ...And that, yÆknow, children are the only ones who blush!And that,life is just to die..." |

Naesse
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Naesse on 02/03/2006 19:15:06 mt
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:16:00 -
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If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
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solidshot
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Survivor X Anyone else notice that the forums are kinda screwy too? 'specially this topic, for some reason.
yeah seems to be lagging like hell here takes ages for a page to load/open
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Inspiration on 02/03/2006 19:20:09 Darn...I actualy was impressed by the patch notes...nearly all bugfixes. And with the new hardware in place, deploying a bugfix realease looked like it would be easy going.
How different is reality, nothing but avoidable issues and breaking of working stuff. The patch notes are top notch, the patch itself however seems to have gotten out of the door to early. Seems lessons of the past have already faded away.
Hope you guys get it working partialy again, so we can continue our EVE online existance. To bad you did not impress us...it was the right moment to have done it!
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:17:00 -
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market looks to be starting to work a little bit guess its levellling out a bit now.
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Captain Organs
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Organs on 02/03/2006 19:17:13 Deleted.
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
This has NEVER EVER been said before, has it? Kthxbai. ---------------------------------------
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Skyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:19:00 -
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hurry please
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Survivor X <3 Eve and CCP, but it seems the ball was fumbled, then stabalized, and then finally thrown as far from themselves as they could. An extra 3(?) hours of extended DT, which screwed up my training, then auto-patcher not working(Not big issue by itself), then when I get on, FINALLY, jumpgates not working all over the place, markets down, local not working, char creation not working as it should...Then bam, out of seemingly no where, server goes down, probably resulting in much loss of ISK :PP
uh oh, someone didn't read the "PUT LONG SKILL TRAINING ON, n00b!!" messages that have been on the news for the last 3-4 days... ------------------------------------------
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though[sic] it.
OOOW!! I just walked into a wall!! I'm gonna SUE! ------------------------------------------
Now run along and play with your dolls... |

Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:21:00 -
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I think fair and adequate compensation for all the lost time, lost training change-overs, lost ISK and lost assets/opportunities would be some "instant training" vouchers to instantly train a set amount of skills (player's discretion).
I can honestly say that I haven't had any negative experiences with Eve and CCP thus far. This experience though is giving me flashbacks of SWG and the never-ending bungling of SOE...
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sensor Error
Originally by: Survivor X <3 Eve and CCP, but it seems the ball was fumbled, then stabalized, and then finally thrown as far from themselves as they could. An extra 3(?) hours of extended DT, which screwed up my training, then auto-patcher not working(Not big issue by itself), then when I get on, FINALLY, jumpgates not working all over the place, markets down, local not working, char creation not working as it should...Then bam, out of seemingly no where, server goes down, probably resulting in much loss of ISK :PP
uh oh, someone didn't read the "PUT LONG SKILL TRAINING ON, n00b!!" messages that have been on the news for the last 3-4 days...
I did. It was 2 hours longer. Which SHOULD be OK, because if I was going to give my player market an estimate, I'd make it longer then I currenltly BELIEVED it would take. Why? Because if you finish early, everyone's really happy, if you finish after you BELIEVED it would take, you still have time, because, why?, you were smart about it. :P I'm not ranting, BTW, I just think that it'd be common sense. But, what do I know? ---------------------------------------
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Lyra VX
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Survivor X Anyone else notice that the forums are kinda screwy too? 'specially this topic, for some reason.
Mmm, this is a bad time for downtime. Everyone around the GMT/CET timezones has come home from work expecting the server to have been up for 4 hours and is then running to the forums when they find it isn't.
Assuming by screwy you mean slow, of course :D
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Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
In Baghdad, and other locations throughout the world, this advice could get you killed... 
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:25:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Survivor X I did. It was 2 hours longer. Which SHOULD be OK
For future reference; No, It really isn't.
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Active1313
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:28:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Telorvech I think fair and adequate compensation for all the lost time, lost training change-overs, lost ISK and lost assets/opportunities would be some "instant training" vouchers to instantly train a set amount of skills (player's discretion).
I can honestly say that I haven't had any negative experiences with Eve and CCP thus far. This experience though is giving me flashbacks of SWG and the never-ending bungling of SOE...
*Sigh* The complaints about lost training time are bogus. They told you to set a LONG skill, one that finishes a few hours after the DT is suppsoed to end is not a LONG skill that's a short skill. A LONG skill will finish days after the scheduled DT...and don't tryo convience me that you don't have a skill that will take days to level up.... Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width - Jacques |
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:29:00 -
[81]
LMAO to the guy who is complaining about lost training time :D ditto to the guy above..
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:29:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Telorvech In Baghdad, and other locations throughout the world, this advice could get you killed... 
Or Sweden.. if the snowstorm and -10C temp doesnt take you out first, the flying flu-carrying kamikaze birds will. 
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Dark Whisper
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:31:00 -
[83]
Hurry up, i wanna play
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:33:00 -
[84]
Originally by: JrLUK LMAO to the guy who is complaining about lost training time :D ditto to the guy above..
Wow. Just..Wow. Was I EVER complaing? No. I just stated that my training time got screwed up, and moved on. I didn't blame CCP. I don't. It was my fault, even though I personally(PERSONALLY), believe that 2 hours after DT SHOULD be OK, because you should be making estimates that are most likely going to be over the time of what it's going to actually take. That's my OPINION, so don't say I'm wrong, please. ---------------------------------------
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Morpheus McKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:33:00 -
[85]
My last skill finished at 6.55pm, was online just before. Forgot to do it, my own stupid fault, lets just hope the servers are back up soon
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Futher Bezluden
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:34:00 -
[86]
Welcome to Post Patch Petition Prep Time. Warm up those petition-bots.
Love all the changes that will be coming in, even if I don't like the gimpy matari one designed to forever sit in a station slaved to a manufacturing slot. Nor the Caldari "Scientist" (I assume high intel?) that will be the elite ewar monkey (glad the caldari aren't masters of ewar already -HAHA). Will stick with my Seb's :)
Good job, get the issues fixed so we can once again forsake fresh air the warmth of the sun for hum of an air purifier and the soft glow of our monitors. Maybe I'll post a thread somewhere about BC class only weapons. I can dream of 800mm Artillery and some Assault Heavy Missile Launchers for my cyclone :) Give people something to flame instead of this thread  Thukker |

Duradam
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:34:00 -
[87]
Quote: ...and don't tryo convience me that you don't have a skill that will take days to level up....
Heh, I only have 1, but I went ahead and set it as my training skill when I logged off. I was unaware of the impending patch, but it was the only skill longer than 6 hours I had, the only one that wouldn't be finished before I had a chance to log back in.
I'm feeling a bit fortunate about that, now.
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Alondriel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:34:00 -
[88]
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
Yep, followed Dave's advice. Turned away from the monitor, walked outside, saw a typical NY State blizzard, too cold to breathe, no people around, now I'm back at the monitor with lunch. (brrrrr)
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crazod
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:35:00 -
[89]
No rush .... i'm gonna have some dinner 
Quote: i will think of a sig eventually...
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Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:36:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Telorvech on 02/03/2006 19:37:51
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech I think fair and adequate compensation for all the lost time, lost training change-overs, lost ISK and lost assets/opportunities would be some "instant training" vouchers to instantly train a set amount of skills (player's discretion).
I can honestly say that I haven't had any negative experiences with Eve and CCP thus far. This experience though is giving me flashbacks of SWG and the never-ending bungling of SOE...
*Sigh* The complaints about lost training time are bogus. They told you to set a LONG skill, one that finishes a few hours after the DT is suppsoed to end is not a LONG skill that's a short skill. A LONG skill will finish days after the scheduled DT...and don't tryo convience me that you don't have a skill that will take days to level up....
Even if you set a skill to train that was longer than the scheduled downtime by an hour, to account for the unforeseen (as I did), you'd still be SOL... By your reasoning everytime they indicate we should train a long skill we should interpret that as an admission of guilt for not having completed any QA on the product the are delivering. Advocating the customers (us) to train a long skill is not a sufficient "CYA" disclaimer to mitigate a functional QA/T&E process. When we as consumers become complacent with "works-in-progress" and incomplete or untested material, we only set ourselves up for further disappointment. (Look what happened to SWG and SOE even in the face of voiced player discontent.) As consumers it is our right to provide feedback and demand a better product.
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:36:00 -
[91]
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
You are in a hallway, there is an open door behind you, you can go North or South.
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Morpheus McKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:37:00 -
[92]
Would be nice thought to have the ability to change skills while the servers are down, even if you just limit it to once per person.
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Merdoch
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:38:00 -
[93]
Quote: I personally(PERSONALLY), believe that 2 hours after DT SHOULD be OK, because you should be making estimates that are most likely going to be over the time of what it's going to actually take.
You're new around here, aren't you?
"Set a long training time" means, "We're hoping all goes well, but we know it sometimes doesn't. If you don't want to lose training time, set training to something that will last for a day or two longer than when we're supposed to come back up."
Hey, that's my personal (PERSONAL) opinion too, so don't complain about my opinions of your opinions. HTH, etc..
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:38:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Grayplate
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
You are in a hallway, there is an open door behind you, you can go North or South.
You try to go west, by trying to punch through wall. After 2 hours of this, your hands are no more, and you cannot move for extreme pain.
3 days later, you are dead.
Please go back to page 1. ---------------------------------------
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:38:00 -
[95]
Please give us an update on the situation. I would like to be able to log to set a long training skill. As I logged in when the server appeared to be up. If the sereve is going to be down for a while at least let us set a training skill as this was unscheduled.
Thanks
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Survivor X
Originally by: Grayplate
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
You are in a hallway, there is an open door behind you, you can go North or South.
You try to go west, by trying to punch through wall. After 2 hours of this, your hands are no more, and you cannot move for extreme pain.
3 days later, you are dead.
Please go back to page 1.
Touche, I didnt think of the choose your own adventure series.
*was going with the The zork/Text based games from the early 80's.
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2George
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:41:00 -
[97]
TO DEV TEAM: how's it looking? will you make it till 20:00 or is it leaning more to 21:00 or even 22:00 GMT ??
Take as much time as you need, but do start the "working" version 
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:42:00 -
[98]
I am unable to download the Bloodlines patch as of this time 
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Active1313
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:43:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Telorvech Edited by: Telorvech on 02/03/2006 19:37:51
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech I think fair and adequate compensation for all the lost time, lost training change-overs, lost ISK and lost assets/opportunities would be some "instant training" vouchers to instantly train a set amount of skills (player's discretion).
I can honestly say that I haven't had any negative experiences with Eve and CCP thus far. This experience though is giving me flashbacks of SWG and the never-ending bungling of SOE...
*Sigh* The complaints about lost training time are bogus. They told you to set a LONG skill, one that finishes a few hours after the DT is suppsoed to end is not a LONG skill that's a short skill. A LONG skill will finish days after the scheduled DT...and don't tryo convience me that you don't have a skill that will take days to level up....
Even if you set a skill to train that was longer than the scheduled downtime by an hour, to account for the unforeseen (as I did), you'd still be SOL... By your reasoning everytime they indicate we should train a long skill we should interpret that as an admission of guilt for not having completed any QA on the product the are delivering. Advocating the customers (us) to train a long skill is not a sufficient "CYA" disclaimer to mitigate a functional QA/T&E process. When we as consumers become complacent with "works-in-progress" and incomplete or untested material, we only set ourselves up for further disappointment. (Look what happened to SWG and SOE even in the face of voiced player discontent.) As consumers it is our right to provide feedback and demand a better product.
No...I understand where you are coming from....However if you are explictly told to train a long skill "We don't forsee any issues, but they do arise" then it is out of scope to expect the rest of the community who did heed this warning in a better way (IE days long skill) to percevice you as waving a big stick around about nothing. I won't start to discuss the fact that people are complaining about getting a free product.... Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width - Jacques |

Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:43:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kyguard I am unable to download the Bloodlines patch as of this time 
Tried manual? ---------------------------------------
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:43:00 -
[101]
Only twenty minutes left!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure.
  
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Merdoch
Quote: I personally(PERSONALLY), believe that 2 hours after DT SHOULD be OK, because you should be making estimates that are most likely going to be over the time of what it's going to actually take.
You're new around here, aren't you?
"Set a long training time" means, "We're hoping all goes well, but we know it sometimes doesn't. If you don't want to lose training time, set training to something that will last for a day or two longer than when we're supposed to come back up."
Hey, that's my personal (PERSONAL) opinion too, so don't complain about my opinions of your opinions. HTH, etc..
Seems like it'd be better if you THOUGHT it'd take say...5 hours to do patch, but since there might be problems, make it 8 hour downtime. All goes well, gets up 3 hours early, everyone's ecstatic. Something goes wrong, takes 3 hours more, everything's on time, everyone's happy. :) ---------------------------------------
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Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:45:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech Edited by: Telorvech on 02/03/2006 19:37:51
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech I think fair and adequate compensation for all the lost time, lost training change-overs, lost ISK and lost assets/opportunities would be some "instant training" vouchers to instantly train a set amount of skills (player's discretion).
I can honestly say that I haven't had any negative experiences with Eve and CCP thus far. This experience though is giving me flashbacks of SWG and the never-ending bungling of SOE...
*Sigh* The complaints about lost training time are bogus. They told you to set a LONG skill, one that finishes a few hours after the DT is suppsoed to end is not a LONG skill that's a short skill. A LONG skill will finish days after the scheduled DT...and don't tryo convience me that you don't have a skill that will take days to level up....
Even if you set a skill to train that was longer than the scheduled downtime by an hour, to account for the unforeseen (as I did), you'd still be SOL... By your reasoning everytime they indicate we should train a long skill we should interpret that as an admission of guilt for not having completed any QA on the product the are delivering. Advocating the customers (us) to train a long skill is not a sufficient "CYA" disclaimer to mitigate a functional QA/T&E process. When we as consumers become complacent with "works-in-progress" and incomplete or untested material, we only set ourselves up for further disappointment. (Look what happened to SWG and SOE even in the face of voiced player discontent.) As consumers it is our right to provide feedback and demand a better product.
No...I understand where you are coming from....However if you are explictly told to train a long skill "We don't forsee any issues, but they do arise" then it is out of scope to expect the rest of the community who did heed this warning in a better way (IE days long skill) to percevice you as waving a big stick around about nothing. I won't start to discuss the fact that people are complaining about getting a free product....
Free? I still pay a monthly charge, don't you? Nothing is free.
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Colonel O'Neill
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:47:00 -
[104]
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
It's snowing, so no :)
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Rachag
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:47:00 -
[105]
i`m not sure if my skills on both accounts have finished or not (shrugs shoulders). 
it`s not as if worrying or complaining is going to make things any better. 
happy Patch Day everyone! 
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:47:00 -
[106]
Well now that we know it could be days let us log and set our skills to training times that take days.....
:)
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:50:00 -
[107]
uhh assuming that they overestimate everytime by 3-4 hours to avoid people complaining about overruns in the downtime. Wouldnt those same people complain that
A. you said it would take 8 and it only took 5 but I planned for 8 or B. why are you still saying 8 when it hasnt taken 8 in the past 9 months!?!?!
No matter what they do a small minority will always complain.
To make everyone that plays this game happy would be impossible, every ship and station would be impossible yet easy to kill. No ship/every ship would be webbed, scrambled, Nos, or nuetralized.
ISK and skill points would be handed out in buckets/never.
etc..
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:50:00 -
[108]
It's our right to demand a better product.
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MainframeCN
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:50:00 -
[109]
Ever thought about testing before implementing changes? |

Plib
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:51:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Survivor X An extra 3(?) hours of extended DT, which screwed up my training,
Meaning what? If you mean that your training stopped during the extended dt then it's your own fault for not doing what you were told and failing to set a longer skill training.
Quote: then auto-patcher not working(Not big issue by itself), then when I get on, FINALLY, jumpgates not working all over the place, markets down, local not working, char creation not working as it should...Then bam, out of seemingly no where, server goes down, probably resulting in much loss of ISK :PP
Blah, blah, blah.
IT'S FRIGGIN' PATCH DAY!
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Reatu Krentor
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:52:00 -
[111]
it's weird but somehow I think this is funny, what has happened/is happening . A patch that was delayed because of QA issues and then this happens .
oh well i'll enjoy the new bloodlines once it all gets fixed and hope to see a devblog about what happened (pls pretty pls, love ya long time ) ------------------------------------------ phew! dodged the mods on this sig! |

Asukari Sumai
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:56:00 -
[112]
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
They did but you can't predict every eventuality.
Oh and the time just changed to 21:00 to come back up 
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:56:00 -
[113]
What a shock now maybe 21:00!!!!!!
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:14:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Survivor X on 02/03/2006 20:19:14 OK, I'm going to post this one thing, then stop posting on this topic, because it's turning into a flame-war.
I realize I should have put a longer time on. I have never said that it was CCP's fault for lost training time. But I also believe that the ball WAS fumbled on this one. And we have a right to, not complain, but TALK about it, which many have been doing, to the flames of many fanboys. I understand that things go wrong, and will go wrong, but that is NO reason to not wonder how the ball could have been dropped like this, IMO, when the test server should have cought issues like the character creation bug, and the other bugs that look like they could have easily been ironed out with proper testing. I, personally, think that the 8 hour early server upgrade kind of got some CCP devs..Not*****y, but you understand. That's what I believe, and it's understandable. (Oh, BTW, I wanted to say I could wrong, too. It's just what I figure from what knowledge I've gotten.)
But, still....Things happen, bugs appear, and all, and it sucks, but people saying "It's patch day, suck it up, you whiner" does NOT help anything. Either does "CCP SUX OMG". What I believe DOES help is people staying calm, which goes to BOTH people complaining about whiners, and the actual whiners themselves. That's my intake, anyway.  ---------------------------------------
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Cain Casteel now set for 20:45 but i'll be setting a skill for days because it may only be up 5 minutes.
see, you are learning already 
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:15:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Alastor Farwander OK, I have to ask...WTF? This is not a case of some people having minor issues. The game is totally crippled after patch, to the point that they had to take the whole friggin' thing offline and keep pushing back the restart time. How the hell can they claim to have tested this update?
I'm on a trial acct right now...this fiasco is making it MUCH less likely that I'll turn it into a paid subscription. I'm gathering that this is pretty usual, too. I'm NOT impressed.
Is this your first MMO?
If it is, may I suggest WoW,
Blizzard has a wonderful MMO currently out that may suit your needs and wants just fine. This is of course assuming you dont want to be informed what is wrong, enjoy waiting in Queues just to log into the game, enjoy lag bad enough to kill you with no refund in lost equipment, rude/incompetent Game masters, an overall IQ loss of approx 60 points due to the amount of E-thugs and last but not least a tremendously boring end game.
If this isnt your first MMO, may I suggest that you still check out WoW and then compare it to EvE?
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:15:00 -
[117]
Edited by: MachZERO on 02/03/2006 20:15:48
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
Yes, we actually did, even ran some tests on the patch before deploying it. However, think about this. All the testing on Singularity by the QA team *and* players for the new Bloodlines went fine. The code was imported over to Tranquility, and a skill table was not properly populated.
Why, you might ask? Simply because there is no way to completely mirror the TQ code over to Sisi, nor is there a way to duplicate the server load TQ has on a daily basis over to Sisi. Test clients and builds interact differently between the two servers, and there is little that we can do to prevent this.
Next time, please take into consideration all the facts before posting out of ignorance.
hehehehe
you just got WTFBBQCOPTERPWNAGED by one of the eve gods...
how small do you feel? -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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thesleeper
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:15:00 -
[118]
Edited by: thesleeper on 02/03/2006 20:15:09 Soft Dev is like this. no matter how much you think you've tested and sweated blood trying to get something perfect, when it really counts, it bombs.
I feel your pain Btw, my new hot asian avatar wants me (she told me so)
- the sleeper service - |

Heather Skarsgard
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:16:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Alastor Farwander OK, I have to ask...WTF? This is not a case of some people having minor issues. The game is totally crippled after patch, to the point that they had to take the whole friggin' thing offline and keep pushing back the restart time. How the hell can they claim to have tested this update?
I'm on a trial acct right now...this fiasco is making it MUCH less likely that I'll turn it into a paid subscription. I'm gathering that this is pretty usual, too. I'm NOT impressed.
well, close and uninstall EVE from your computer please, just launch World of Warcraft and stop crying here: EVE is not a game for impatient kids : p |

Lord Zod
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:16:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Lord Zod on 02/03/2006 20:18:16 Edited by: Lord Zod on 02/03/2006 20:17:04
Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer
Originally by: Alastor Farwander OK, I have to ask...WTF? This is not a case of some people having minor issues. The game is totally crippled after patch, to the point that they had to take the whole friggin' thing offline and keep pushing back the restart time. How the hell can they claim to have tested this update?
I'm on a trial acct right now...this fiasco is making it MUCH less likely that I'll turn it into a paid subscription. I'm gathering that this is pretty usual, too. I'm NOT impressed.
with an attitude like that, we're probably better off without you.. go play WoW
Im gonna stab at this.
The person is new to the game and you say go away because he has a legitimate concern about what he is seeing (this is understandable), why not try to be helpful instead of being an ass.
Same goes to all the other plonkers moaning at him, you make the eve community look bad.
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Tim Asamar
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:17:00 -
[121]
For those of you that have run servers before, think about when they start the cluster up. It is like a DDOS attack on their system. Thousands of people making dozens of database requests each. Just the fact that their server code can handle this should be enough to impress people. It sure impresses me. A delay in bring the server up after a patch is a very minor issue and 4 hours isnt very long in terms of code development. Calm down.
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Heather Skarsgard
Originally by: Alastor Farwander OK, I have to ask...WTF? This is not a case of some people having minor issues. The game is totally crippled after patch, to the point that they had to take the whole friggin' thing offline and keep pushing back the restart time. How the hell can they claim to have tested this update?
I'm on a trial acct right now...this fiasco is making it MUCH less likely that I'll turn it into a paid subscription. I'm gathering that this is pretty usual, too. I'm NOT impressed.
well, close and uninstall EVE from your computer please, just launch World of Warcraft and stop crying here: EVE is not a game for impatient kids : p
OK, I lied. But that is a weird/cool/odd/long corp name. Had to post that.  ---------------------------------------
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rig0r
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 -
[123]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
Why, you might ask? Simply because there is no way to completely mirror the TQ code over to Sisi, nor is there a way to duplicate the server load TQ has on a daily basis over to Sisi.
The load I can imagine, but howcome you can't mirror the TQ code ?
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Active1313
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Punk Weasel
Originally by: TheSickness could someone tell me the GMT time dif for USA Central time plz?

Go here:
www.timeanddate.com
Or you can go here :) GMT 4TW! Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 400 pixels in width - Jacques |

Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech Edited by: Telorvech on 02/03/2006 19:37:51
Originally by: Active1313
Originally by: Telorvech I think fair and adequate compensation for all the lost time, lost training change-overs, lost ISK and lost assets/opportunities would be some "instant training" vouchers to instantly train a set amount of skills (player's discretion).
I can honestly say that I haven't had any negative experiences with Eve and CCP thus far. This experience though is giving me flashbacks of SWG and the never-ending bungling of SOE...
*Sigh* The complaints about lost training time are bogus. They told you to set a LONG skill, one that finishes a few hours after the DT is suppsoed to end is not a LONG skill that's a short skill. A LONG skill will finish days after the scheduled DT...and don't tryo convience me that you don't have a skill that will take days to level up....
Even if you set a skill to train that was longer than the scheduled downtime by an hour, to account for the unforeseen (as I did), you'd still be SOL... By your reasoning everytime they indicate we should train a long skill we should interpret that as an admission of guilt for not having completed any QA on the product the are delivering. Advocating the customers (us) to train a long skill is not a sufficient "CYA" disclaimer to mitigate a functional QA/T&E process. When we as consumers become complacent with "works-in-progress" and incomplete or untested material, we only set ourselves up for further disappointment. (Look what happened to SWG and SOE even in the face of voiced player discontent.) As consumers it is our right to provide feedback and demand a better product.
No...I understand where you are coming from....However if you are explictly told to train a long skill "We don't forsee any issues, but they do arise" then it is out of scope to expect the rest of the community who did heed this warning in a better way (IE days long skill) to percevice you as waving a big stick around about nothing. I won't start to discuss the fact that people are complaining about getting a free product....
Free? I still pay a monthly charge, don't you? Nothing is free.
LOL! Despite this being waaay OT at this point I will still make the point...Yes I pay a monthly fee. A nominal fee at that, now did I pay for the game nope, downloaded it for free, did I pay for blood? Am I going to Pay for Kali? Nope, now lets look at another MMO lets call it "MMO2" In order to play you have to 1. Go buy the game, 2. Pay to start your sub, 3.Play Game.....some time goes by and the dev team wants to put out an exapansion...so of course you want it..now comes 4. BUY the expansion....Now what's not free again?
So i guess what you're saying then is that since I do no pay a specific "expansion" fee then I should just put up and deal with it? WEll, need I point out that with games like SWG, EQ and WOW it is still possible to play the game even if you don't buy the latest expansion. Here, we have no choice, we MUST accept the expansion and we therefore MUST be denied service and still be charged a monthly fee regardless if we wanted the "expansion" or not.
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T'Kahr
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer
Originally by: Alastor Farwander OK, I have to ask...WTF? This is not a case of some people having minor issues. The game is totally crippled after patch, to the point that they had to take the whole friggin' thing offline and keep pushing back the restart time. How the hell can they claim to have tested this update?
I'm on a trial acct right now...this fiasco is making it MUCH less likely that I'll turn it into a paid subscription. I'm gathering that this is pretty usual, too. I'm NOT impressed.
with an attitude like that, we're probably better off without you.. go play WoW
His attitude seems pretty normal to me, him being a trial user and having to deal with a patch day. Yours however needs some serious work ...
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Thecle Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:21:00 -
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2 days for RMR patch 2 month of unplaying game because the lag 1 day for the new server Half a day for a poor bloodline patch.
Not that i complain (only a bit hu ?) but i'm still waiting for a commercial hand from ccp because i really feel like a sheep you'r gathering the whoole on... ______________________________________________________
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Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:21:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: TheSickness could someone tell me the GMT time dif for USA Central time plz?

Use the forum time as a guide? 
Eastern Standard Time (US East Coast) is GMT-5
2100 GMT = 1600 EST
Central Time = GMT-6 Mountain Time = GMT-7 Pacific Time = GMT-8
Hawaii/Alaska? Beats me...
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Crystal Kali
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:21:00 -
[129]
Seems I was lucky. Logged on as soon as it came back, created this Jin Mei, got into the game and started going about my business without any issues at all (other than no market)...
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Minnow maught
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:24:00 -
[130]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
Yes, we actually did, even ran some tests on the patch before deploying it. However, think about this. All the testing on Singularity by the QA team *and* players for the new Bloodlines went fine. The code was imported over to Tranquility, and a skill table was not properly populated.
Why, you might ask? Simply because there is no way to completely mirror the TQ code over to Sisi, nor is there a way to duplicate the server load TQ has on a daily basis over to Sisi. Test clients and builds interact differently between the two servers, and there is little that we can do to prevent this.
Next time, please take into consideration all the facts before posting out of ignorance.
In slightly less technical terms is that like testing on MAC OS and then expecting it to work on Windows XP?
Very surprised to learn that the 2 servers are so different (Except for the loads placed on them).
Do you actual test the conversion process of code from one version to another (migration testing) ?
^^ Post not meant to be a dig or flame ^^ just really surprised.
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Zyxlo
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zyxlo on 02/03/2006 20:28:03 Just seen this in Patch Notes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drone bays are no longer accessible in space via a keyboard shortcut. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why? So we have to fight with ..err... use the 'already present' and 'lovely' option of the overview?
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Alastor Farwander
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:26:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer
with an attitude like that, we're probably better off without you.. go play WoW
I take it that was supposed to be a flame...
You know, in over a year playing WoW, I have never once seen Blizzard deploy a patch, then have to kick everybody out for an indeterminate length of time because problems not found during testing crippled the production environment. Like WoW or dislike it as you see fit, but it seems to me that there's a pretty big difference in patch management here.
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Dark Pearl
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:28:00 -
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i dont now if this has bin mentiond (not gonne read all the jibberis in this treath) setting up escrows dident work i tryed escrow a inplant to a corpy and it just stayd in my hangar greets dp
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Darklandz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:29:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Darklandz on 02/03/2006 20:31:40 BTW did you notice how well we are updated (tnx kieron) by ccp on the forum, that's a great improvement ! Linkage
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:30:00 -
[135]
only 20 minutes left... Please let us loggin for a few minutes even if its still broken. I'll be happy for the rest of the night and so will others so they can get to safety. Please just a few minutes....
Thanks
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kieron

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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Minnow maught In slightly less technical terms is that like testing on MAC OS and then expecting it to work on Windows XP?
Very surprised to learn that the 2 servers are so different (Except for the loads placed on them).
Do you actual test the conversion process of code from one version to another (migration testing) ?
I would say probably closer to Office SP2 -> SP3 than Mac -> XP and yes, we do perform migration testing.
There is a huge difference between the 2 servers, just consider the differences in the database. The markets are slightly different, for example, you can buy pretty much anything in Sisi for 100 ISK to aid in testing, including battleships, dreads and TL2 modules, but god forbid if that code were to accidently port over to TQ in a patch. This is just one reason among many why an identical mirror cannot be made across the servers.
Unfortunately, patching is not as easy a process as most people think.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies! YAY Cookies!! -Kaemonn |
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:32:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Alastor Farwander
Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer
with an attitude like that, we're probably better off without you.. go play WoW
I take it that was supposed to be a flame...
You know, in over a year playing WoW, I have never once seen Blizzard deploy a patch, then have to kick everybody out for an indeterminate length of time because problems not found during testing crippled the production environment. Like WoW or dislike it as you see fit, but it seems to me that there's a pretty big difference in patch management here.
what year did you play WoW in??
Multiple Patches took the entire realms down for 24hrs+, Unexplained sever instability, Overhyped underperforming intial offering, CM/GM's that didnt know their job, didnt do their job or werent even competent enough to NOT PASTE the generic reply in the petition that you opened...
I played wow from Beta to about a month ago, either on my own account or a friends (during beta) and only once did I see an announcement about what was causing issues/an apology from anyone at blizzard.
Please feel free to tell me when Blizzard ever managed to release a patch that was Bug free, fixed existing bugs and upgraded the game performance.
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:33:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Cain Casteel only 20 minutes left... Please let us loggin for a few minutes even if its still broken. I'll be happy for the rest of the night and so will others so they can get to safety. Please just a few minutes....
Thanks
Amen to that... just want to login and change skill... already lost my mission time bonus and will have to finish it some other time...but to be able to login, make sure I'm docked, and change my skill... would be just fine.
-G
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:35:00 -
[139]
Originally by: kieron Unfortunately, patching is not as easy a process as most people think.
Nah...you guys just haven't learnt about writing proper database scripts...
*runs and hides away*
-G
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Brad Stone
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:35:00 -
[140]
Except here in the UK, we've had lunch, hell, we've even had dinner... and this "outside" of which u speak is very very dark and very very cold. We got some of that white stuff.. sn.. sno... thats it... SNOW.
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
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Chakindra
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:39:00 -
[141]
Patience, ladies. We'll all get there in the end. It's big patch day, and this is nothing new. It'll be bumpy today and probably for the next couple of days, but then we'll be back to business as usual again. I for one haven't experienced anything that could possibly make me want to quite Eve Online.
Signed,
Chakindra Co-CEO of Dark Fusion Technologies Fearless Leader of Ebil Minions
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Tim Asamar
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:39:00 -
[142]
Writing good DB scripts is one thing... but running 2 separate databases (one of them being for testing) is completely different. If you've ever been involved in a database test situation, you'll realize that there are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration when migrating code. Also, this is not some 10k line program here. It is a distributed program that runs on MANY processors and with MANY database servers. Definately not an easy thing to make seamless.
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:39:00 -
[143]
Btw Kieron and all the other Gold posters, Bravo on keeping things explained, that was/is one of my biggest gripes about MMO's. You have the info and while you dont have to give it to us, it makes alot of the more vocal people have to hunt harder for something to whine about.
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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:40:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Melkor Bloodaxe on 02/03/2006 20:44:20
Originally by: DaveW If you turn around and face away from your monitor you'll most likely see a door. Walk though it, and then take the next door that opens to the outside. Go thought that and see what you find.
With any luck you'll see sunshine, breath some fresh air and maybe talk to a real live person. (you don't need to type to do this)
Then, have some lunch and take a nap....
Come back in a couple of hours and everything will be fine...
I take a walk outside. Look at the ground and see that it's white and feel that it's cold. I remember something. You can make balls of it 
Time to dig-up the snowball launcher in my hanger once I can login again.
--- 49. Fares Hrym from the east / holding his shield the Mithgard-Worm / in mighty rage scatters the waves / screams the eagle his nib tears the dead / Naglfar loosens.
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Alondriel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:41:00 -
[145]
Originally by: TheSickness could someone tell me the GMT time dif for USA Central time plz?

GMT -6
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Gerintex Mollari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:41:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Alastor Farwander
You know, in over a year playing WoW, I have never once seen Blizzard deploy a patch, then have to kick everybody out for an indeterminate length of time because problems not found during testing crippled the production environment. Like WoW or dislike it as you see fit, but it seems to me that there's a pretty big difference in patch management here.
Then you haven't been playing WoW for over a year. It's happened more than once.
I'm on a 14-day trial at the moment as well. I haven't decided if I'm going to buy yet or not, but if I don't, it certainly won't be because of the service or customer support. I've already seen more communication and dev <-> player interaction in three days here than in the last year of playing WoW.
I'll take an infrequent, slightly extended downtime due to a patch deployment over a guaranteed 6 hours of downtime every week, which usually gets extended. Not to mention the loot and mail database lag that starts creeping in around Friday so that the server is barely operational when they finally take it down again on Tuesday, rinse and repeat. Or the hundreds of bugs that are discovered and reported while the next patch is on the test realm, and are still present when the patch is released *two or three weeks later*.
WoW is far from the epitome of quality software management and change control. Most of the time, they are downright incompetent, as is their server team.
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Alastor Farwander
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:41:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Heather Skarsgard well, close and uninstall EVE from your computer please, just launch World of Warcraft and stop crying here: EVE is not a game for impatient kids : p[/quote
No, it certainly is not. How about a game for adults with kids of our own, demanding jobs, and limited time to play?
It seems to have escaped a lot of people that I'm not talking gameplay issues here...I'm talking patch management. After 3 1/2 years in the software industry and nearly 10 in IT, I've learned a few things about the importance of validating an update before you roll it out.
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:42:00 -
[148]
I have one other question... what happened to the old servers? Why weren't they setup as a new test environment? Or even better, a staging platform between SiSi and TQ?
Something to test the migration off SiSi on before going live...
Just a thought...use it...don't use it...
-G
PS. Of course, that relies on the fact that you still have the machines...
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Samor Madur
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:42:00 -
[149]
Ok, we all know that we have free expansions and patches. We all know that you guys do the best you can. We all know this the best game in the universe. You guys know, or should know, that most of us are ingnorant in whatever you guys have to do to put things running. We are here to play, and not to understand cpu issues and data base issues and so on. But there is no need to call any player ignorant. Just stick to your stuff and we stick to ours. You have to understand also that we are always eager to play. That's why we pay. And you also have to understand that since RMR we had some major problems with the game. But we all hanged in here. And with new servers... well, everything was awsome. And now a major set back. So, if someone asks if you guys test stuff, it's pure frustration, that's all. I was wondering the same thing myself. Maybe you rush the pacth, maybe something else. All i know is that for a few days EVE was almost perfect, and now i can't play. So, please be patiente with us, as most of us are patiente with you guys. We all want the same thing... a better EVE for all. My point is... don't rush the nest expantion. After you have fix these problems, let us enjoy EVE for a few months without having to go through these issues again.
Best of luck to all 
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RF Hunter
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:44:00 -
[150]
Edited by: RF Hunter on 02/03/2006 20:44:39 Can't wait to see the new faces and ships. Basically I just can't wait to log on, to see if I've installed the patches correctly. : )
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:44:00 -
[151]
It amazes me that people still whine when things donÆt go according to plan. 
Is this big a portion of the player base so detached from real life that they live in a fairytale universe where nothing can possibly go wrong? If so I either want to live where you do or smoke whatever your smokingà
**Sits and waits patiently**
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Garrack
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:45:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Garrack on 02/03/2006 20:59:41
XYZZY!!!
Oh wait, wrong game. :)
Guys, saying "bugs should never slip by QA" is just silly. That's what bugs ARE... the stuff that gets by you-- either when you are coding, when you are unit testing, when you are integration testing, and even when you release to production.
Software development is an intensely complex process. If you have no experience doing it, you have relatively little grounds for making claims about the quality of the product that others produce.
What's more is that CCP has actually improved in their predictability and the amount of problems after patches since the time I played a year ago or so. I'm sure some of that is due to maturity of code, but usually that also smacks of improvements in process.
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:45:00 -
[153]
Originally by: kieron Why, you might ask? Simply because there is no way to completely mirror the TQ code over to Sisi, nor is there a way to duplicate the server load TQ has on a daily basis over to Sisi. Test clients and builds interact differently between the two servers, and there is little that we can do to prevent this.
Next time, please take into consideration all the facts before posting out of ignorance.
Surely refining and ammo loading bugs should should not be affected by running on different hardware and under different load. Its all a matter of defining the transaction boundaries (eg, client sends package, server processes, server commits changes, client get informed of new situation after changes). Having constant negotiation between client and server within a single transaction (say a refining action) is not only needless, its inefficient and prone to bugs.
Either way, simple bugs as mentioned should never slip past QA and I persoanly don't believe they were somehow cloaked due to a different cluster and differnt load. Simple functions need simple communication (eg, one communication cycle), and those are not subject to the hardware and load differences, only to software differences. If imple functions are not structured this way, it means they have not been made with cluster operation in mind, which is kind of a horrible prospect and would force CCP to look deeply into how the client/server interaction is structured.
I don't (nor can) have ALL the details, but this is a pretty strong gut feeling! I don't like untestable software, as in my belief that means the software itself is no good. One needs to stay in control of the work, not the other way around!
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Helison
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:47:00 -
[154]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
Yes, we actually did, even ran some tests on the patch before deploying it. However, think about this. All the testing on Singularity by the QA team *and* players for the new Bloodlines went fine. The code was imported over to Tranquility, and a skill table was not properly populated. *snip*
There was a big problem with testing this patch by the players on Singularity: Singularity was in the last 2-3 weeks only very seldom online. And at the times, when it was online, there were massive problems with login because of RAM-issues of the server. Because of this I would say, that the patch was NOT tested properly.
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Sentille
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:48:00 -
[155]
I read a great sig quote somewhere once that simply said:
"Perfection has no deadline"
Sorry for all the players who are having the skill training agnst but if history has taught us anything, patch day = plug in a 4/5 day skill the day before just in case.
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MainframeCN
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:49:00 -
[156]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
Yes, we actually did, even ran some tests on the patch before deploying it. However, think about this. All the testing on Singularity by the QA team *and* players for the new Bloodlines went fine. The code was imported over to Tranquility, and a skill table was not properly populated.
Originally by: kieron
Why, you might ask? Simply because there is no way to completely mirror the TQ code over to Sisi, nor is there a way to duplicate the server load TQ has on a daily basis over to Sisi. Test clients and builds interact differently between the two servers, and there is little that we can do to prevent this.
Originally by: kieron
Test clients and builds interact differently between the two servers, and there is little that we can do to prevent this.
If i understand this correctly, you have no good test environment and you are telling us that there's is little you can do to prevent these incidents? Seems to me my early respond wasn't that far off.
Originally by: kieron
Next time, please take into consideration all the facts before posting out of ignorance.
Clearly a reply based on emotions not arguments.
I think most of everyones frustration comes from the fact the downtime was extended about 4 or 5 times. I did intend to actack anyone with my reply. Though a professial would rise above such comments.
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Glaren
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:53:00 -
[157]
Didn't WoW have a major bug from a small expansion that created a pandemic in the game. People transmiting a disease and exploding. Can you imagin Jita is CCP did something like this. But anyway, WoW is centainly not the realm of perfection. How often do game bugs make into national news. 
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CiNi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:56:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Darklandz Edited by: Darklandz on 02/03/2006 20:31:40 BTW did you notice how well we are updated (tnx kieron) by ccp on the forum, that's a great improvement ! Linkage
Thats something i thought about too. Whenever i went to start the client to see if it was working there was a new message each time i checked. Well done on giving us estimated times and generally just keeping us updated with whats happening guys - it DOES make a difference.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:57:00 -
[159]
CCP should just post "it'll be up when it's up" from now on.. Obviously a lot of people don't understand things such "complications may arise", what "set a long skill training" means and "it's patch day ffs". 
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Liare
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:00:00 -
[160]
480ish seconds to go until bootup
rawr! _____________________________ Ex-Coretech, We still shoot people. |
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:01:00 -
[161]
I may or may not be rude or complain to much, also I'm not the most understanding consumer. But come on folks, give the Devs a little time to work out the bugs. Server patching/maintenance can turn into the biggest nightmare from doing the most simple update.
Originally by: kieron Unfortunately, patching is not as easy a process as most people think.
Amen brother!!
Ok thats enough *shivers* will be back to slamming Devs tomorrow. Being nice makes me ill. 
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my calls.
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:02:00 -
[162]
Yup. Server coming back up. Relatively good fix time, all we can ask for.  ---------------------------------------
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killersw
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:02:00 -
[163]
Edited by: killersw on 02/03/2006 21:02:48
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killersw
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:02:00 -
[164]
yey!!! on mine says servers are starting in bout 450 secs cant wait!
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Gerintex Mollari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:02:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Glaren Didn't WoW have a major bug from a small expansion that created a pandemic in the game. People transmiting a disease and exploding. Can you imagin Jita is CCP did something like this. But anyway, WoW is centainly not the realm of perfection. How often do game bugs make into national news. 
It wasn't techincally a bug, it was a prime example of the dev team's shortsightedness. The disease was a debuff from a boss in ZG, a new raid dungeon. It would spread to anyone you where standing near, and did an insane amount of damage per tick. All it took was someone with the debuff porting from the dugeon to a capital city like IF, and hundreds of people would get infected (and killed) in seconds.
Personally, I feel it's part of the "raid or die" fixation that is going on with the dev team over there (if you don't/won't/can't participate in 20 and 40-man, scripted zergfests at the level cap, there's nothing else viable to do). They are so wrapped up in the next bigger, cooler, more uber dungeon with bigger, cooler, and more uber phat lewt, it comes off like anything else in a patch is an afterthought.
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killersw
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:02:00 -
[166]
yey!!! on mine says servers are starting in bout 450 secs cant wait!
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:03:00 -
[167]
btw, it seems the new code that updates the splash screen is treated a an attack on my PC...so it gets blocked by my firewall software...
-G
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Pilotik
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:03:00 -
[168]
  - Ah, patch was not tested. - ah, skill tree update was not going right. - ah, I sit on the chamber-pot too loong tonight, even looonger, than expected That are - just words.
I am loosing time, money, mood - that is Fact! Oh, server is starting up? 3:00 Am local time - am I supposed to wait or to go asleep and loose 5 more hours of Skill Traning, cause I have to wake up at 8:00 AM? Damn! I set long skill traning Before patch, and I reset it to short one after launch...
I know - world is unjust, unfair and so on. Pity is - that you're part of this unfair side of the world today!
WBR, Oleg. From Russia with love.
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:05:00 -
[169]
WOW has a great trailer tho 
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my calls.
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Budz Fergie
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:06:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Glaren Didn't WoW have a major bug from a small expansion that created a pandemic in the game. People transmiting a disease and exploding. Can you imagin Jita is CCP did something like this. But anyway, WoW is centainly not the realm of perfection. How often do game bugs make into national news. 
Well that would cure the lag in Jita!
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MrFatazz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:06:00 -
[171]
woohoo servers starting up 
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Elrich Zann
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:10:00 -
[172]
In comparison to some other patches that I've seen come out of other companies, today is rather tame. Sure I lost some training time and a day to play that I took off weeks ago, but oh well. The communication from the team has really helped and I'm sure the team at CCP wasn't expecting this long of a day. Good luck guys, keep us posted.
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Cain Casteel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:12:00 -
[173]
Thanks for letting me log. You may now crash for up to 1d 4h. :) ha
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:13:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Brannor McThife on 02/03/2006 21:25:22
Dulce bellum inexpertis... |

Sypher313
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:13:00 -
[175]
 i personally love patch day   i get to read all these posts   the toons not used to "patch day BASICs" complain (is their perogative) , The wondekin camputurz exzpsuerts attemp to "understand"  , The PvP'rs take out their frustrations on the forums with "STFU n00b go play WoW" , lots of peeps remain calm and tell others to be calm as well  .
Basically we play EvE on the Forums for a while kool huh  see you still get to play the game 

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Rod Pliskin
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:15:00 -
[176]
I can't connect... keeps saying lost connection to server. 
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Cantari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:15:00 -
[177]
Is any one else getting insta kicked form server when trying a log in, I get just past the "Authenticating" stage the BLAMO! Connection lost and client resets....
Cantari
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Maculus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:16:00 -
[178]
It's not much better on the inside. Getting constant traffic advisories.
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Telorvech
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:16:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Rod Pliskin I can't connect... keeps saying lost connection to server. 
Rgr, same here.
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:16:00 -
[180]
ive missed all the fun down here in oz its been an overnight dialup download (all 6 hours of it) hehe. Come on around 7am our time and only 45 minutes to go and all the bugs have been caught well most of em - looks like CCP have done a pretty good job for a smallish but still very tricky expansion esp adding the new bloodlines and a few other things.
Good time to discuss ideas for a mini patch before kali or the kali patch on the ideas forum to pass the waiting time.
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Vessar Koshir
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:16:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Vessar Koshir on 02/03/2006 21:16:45 It's dead again.
Also: Ahhhhh, it's good to be home. It's been so long since I read a DT carebear vs 'rat thread, I teared up a little.
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Kodos
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:16:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Cantari Is any one else getting insta kicked form server when trying a log in, I get just past the "Authenticating" stage the BLAMO! Connection lost and client resets....
Cantari
This is what I am getting.
Battle Angels Killboard |

Synex
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:17:00 -
[183]
THEY BROKED IT!!! MUAHAHAHA!
Ah.. this isn't as bad as patch day of '03. Anyone remember that?!?!
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spookz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:17:00 -
[184]
I love what you've done with the place, don't let anyone undock or jump 
Latest Video - Leaving PA |

Spathi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:17:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Spathi on 02/03/2006 21:19:58 Ugh, after this startup I keep getting the "Your character is in a system which is loading" message. I'd prefer the 10 minute startup to avoid this. I half expect to have to wait the 10minutes for this to clear anyway so its no different than before, except now I get to hammer the system trying to get onto my char and not just login.
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Cantari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:18:00 -
[186]
Gota love patch day, every one is on the forums so the answer to questions happens almost immediately 
YAY for patch day *Waves a flag and eats a coockie*
Now I know its borked ill go back to doing something else
Cantari
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O'suruk
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:19:00 -
[187]
I really hate that "connections lost" window and patch days 
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Sam Spacey
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:20:00 -
[188]
I keep getting disconnected trying to log in as well grrr
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Kladi Eggar
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:23:00 -
[189]
First, "connection lost" window and now this one :
"The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly."
They really did broke it 
RAKI Power |

Budz Fergie
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:23:00 -
[190]
I get the lost connection bug on 1 account and the other gets "The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly." with 2500+ on.
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Siriyana
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:25:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Kladi Eggar First, "connection lost" window and now this one :
"The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly."
They really did broke it 
I get the same :(
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Sam Spacey
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:25:00 -
[192]
Is it starting up, or isn't it?
Do we have to sit in front of our pc's for another hour trying........ or will CCP tell us what is going on?
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Brannor McThife
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:25:00 -
[193]
Ok... so let's get this straight... How long does it take to clear a "locked" system? It was stated that all the locking is due to the server start up...well, that's nice... so I'm now locked in a station in a normally quiet system (Funtanainen, Lonetrek) until when?
When will I actually be let out to do the mission I couldn't do due to the warp-to-deadspace bug earlier?
Could it be that the mission doesn't say "Deadspace" like it used to...but now says "Encounter"? (see Journal, Type)
-G
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:26:00 -
[194]
You're lucky Cain. I must have got in just before the servers went down. Didn't realise patch day was today so I tried to start a long skill off that I would have done earlier if I'd known. Just went to click to start it and it chucked me back to desktop with a "Connection lost" message. 
-- My idea of an OS is one that Operates the System, not a complete package of every piece of software ever written. Computers created "The Paperless Office". But some stupid fool invented a printer |

Zeromancer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:26:00 -
[195]
aaargh. my skill is finished in 17 days :((( No wait thats a good thing
*sits back and watch the tread
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Tancredi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:27:00 -
[196]
and shows over 2300 ppl already logged in........
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5 Alive
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:29:00 -
[197]
:O The server is letting its favourite people on!! 
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Edgars Sults
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:30:00 -
[198]
That's face control for ya! 
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Hue Jorgon
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:31:00 -
[199]
Well, it;s all crap in my opinion. Before this patch I had no issues, since it, i run eve and that completely screws my net connection
CHeers, anyone wanna buy a 30million sp character? as |

Brooksy2005
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:31:00 -
[200]
This is lame man, why is there 2600 people online but i cant get on?
eve have been running sweeet since the hardware update, CCP just cant leave anything alone! if its not broke, dont fix it!
they could have left this patch for a while, we have had so much downtime latly they should have just let us play for a few weeks instead of*****ing around with it & making the game unplayable.
it wouldnt be too bad if the game was free but we pay for this!
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TheSickness
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:32:00 -
[201]
Edited by: TheSickness on 02/03/2006 21:32:59 well i got in as soon as the timer hit 0, then made a new race character only to watch it do the same dam thing as before, it locks up at the end and you cant complete the character make. now i cant relog to the server
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Medicine
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:33:00 -
[202]
This Traffic-Advisory-thing is not fun! Is it possible to switch off?
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:34:00 -
[203]
Edited by: JrLUK on 02/03/2006 21:34:49 Hey, i was just on then i decided to relogin after people were saying how the trafic advisors kept closing gates. So you pretty much cudnt get anywhere. This was stated by keiron but was supposed to subside and everything should be ok after that... i cant login now as it says the cluster is starting up again :s
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Rod Pliskin
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:35:00 -
[204]
heh... now I get EVE Cluster is currently starting up...
What's that mean I wonder?
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:35:00 -
[205]
Your QA department rockS!!!!
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Rulkez
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:35:00 -
[206]
this is beyond a joke, yes its a patch day, yes i usually am happy to give CCP some room for screw ups. bit i still get teh dam market/evemail and character shhet popping up every time i undock/dock or jump
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HarleyQuinn
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:35:00 -
[207]
I would have given up for the night if my ship wasn't in mid jump when the server went down 
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Aklua
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:36:00 -
[208]
omg 6000 people on i wanna play
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Tancredi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:36:00 -
[209]
this is discrimination, just 'cause I'm a Texan, everyone's gittin on ahesd of me......
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Counterfeit
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:36:00 -
[210]
this patch is seriously testing my patience now...the server has been "up" now for about 15mins apparantly and i still cant log in......
FFS CCP you have been updating the info on the client log in until now, why stop?
      
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Anur Eynar
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:37:00 -
[211]
Just sold some pyerites on the market, got charged the broker fee... but didn't receive anything  
Lost 288k doing that 
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:39:00 -
[212]
lol theres some serious issues hanging round... lets all try to keep calm I managed to change my skill to a shorter skill.. im regreting that move now lol!!

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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:39:00 -
[213]
Anyone seen the General Freight Containers? I see them on market, but no availability in essence.
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Aklua
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:39:00 -
[214]
7000 let me bloody play ffs this isnt funny my ship is proably getting raped
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Aklua
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:40:00 -
[215]
ok solved my issue restart client
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Vessar Koshir
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:40:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Vessar Koshir on 02/03/2006 21:40:52 Yeah this is getting a bit annoying now, the server claims to be up and running, yet those who can get in are being fuxxor'd and the rest of us keep getting these bloody "currently starting up, kindly go have a w**k for half an hour" messages 
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Siriyana
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:40:00 -
[217]
As an IT professional, all I can say is that they seem to have issues with their migration processes, and their testing process before implementation. If things were designed correctly, they would never need to take down the entire cluster every night for "maintenance", even if it was to do a backup.
Also, if there were issues this bad, they should revert to the previous version, fix the problem, and then roll it out again this way they don't lose people's business from downtime like this.
Just my 0.02 ISK. 
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:41:00 -
[218]
2006.03.02 21:36:47 notify You can only rename ships that you are currently piloting.
Which purpose does this serve??? ------ Ö Ship lover
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Antiope
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:42:00 -
[219]
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I, Capital Energy Transfer Array I and Capital Shield Transporter I Blueprints are now available on the Market.
and skills
New General Freight Containers have been seeded on the market throughout the galaxy. These containers fit in Freighters and allow pilots to organize their shipments.
somebody please tell me they seeded this and the advanced drone interfacing skill, or do i need to wait another 3 months ?
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Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:42:00 -
[220]
I like the new feature where the market and my wallet pop up after every jump, well no actually i don't...
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Check us out
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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:43:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Antiope
New General Freight Containers have been seeded on the market throughout the galaxy. These containers fit in Freighters and allow pilots to organize their shipments.
somebody please tell me they seeded this and the advanced drone interfacing skill, or do i need to wait another 3 months ?
Not seeded in essence at least...
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:43:00 -
[222]
It seems to be letting you login now .. fingures crossed
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Rulkez
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:44:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Helplessandlost I like the new feature where the market and my wallet pop up after every jump, well no actually i don't...
i get market eve mail and character sheet, this bug was live on teh test server, there is NO EXCUSE for it becoming live, gamebreaker imho
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Mystro Famacon
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:45:00 -
[224]
Hey people, CCP is doing their best to fix this problem, go do SOMETHING else for a change, come back like in about 1 hour or so, check to see if the server is back on then login, if not, give it another hour. If we let CCP fix this problem by not bothering them, they MIGHT get it fixed. I tried to get on even though there is like 7000 people TRYING to get on, doesn't mean that they did get on.
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In4r4
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:51:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Mystro Famacon Hey people, CCP is doing their best to fix this problem, go do SOMETHING else for a change, come back like in about 1 hour or so, check to see if the server is back on then login, if not, give it another hour. If we let CCP fix this problem by not bothering them, they MIGHT get it fixed. I tried to get on even though there is like 7000 people TRYING to get on, doesn't mean that they did get on.
well take teh server down , tell us its not coming back till its fixed and ******* fix it, you say go do something else for a change, may i point out teh server is already hours overdue and teh game is playing like a bag of ****, time for CCp to get a grip, fix there Q&A and not deply patches till they are actually ready, just how long will this community accept whatever teh devs do with a " we get patches for free blah blah blah"
well i dont get this game for free , so , if its being patched i want a god dam working patch
/RANT over
cookies anyone ?
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Trilliam Blackthorn
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:55:00 -
[226]
OK...I'm in. Everytime I dock/undock, the people & places pops open.
Just an annoying little bug...
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Leah Wei
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:56:00 -
[227]
Yyyyay Finally in. Thanks CCP, it is worth the wait. But how many patches is it going to be before the 'show systems I've visited' bug in the map is fixed...? Prolly not so important, but it is my favourite map option... :( PLEEASE fix it sometime. Anyway thanks for all the hard work improving EVE guys. :)
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Zgon Nwa
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:56:00 -
[228]
Created new achura bloodline when server 1st up -- skills all looked fine -- when server came back up I started the tutorial -- when I got to the section to view my items, there weren't any. So I didn't have anything to reprocess and therefore nothing to sell.
Whats up -- looks like tutorial is somewhat hosed.
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Geb Anubis
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:00:00 -
[229]
One of the best tweaks in the Blood patch is the ability to add items to a station contianer without those items automaticly locking. While this is indeed the case when you drag one item at a time into the container, if you try moving multiple items they will ignore the configuration setting and default to the locked state. Oops. 
Also, please add the ability to repackage items inside a station container.
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:02:00 -
[230]
You should post them in the ideas part of the forum
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:04:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Bex Beere
hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
Sorry, took me a while. 
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:06:00 -
[232]
I love patch days. It just brings out the best in everyone.  Patch day always brings out the same two types of people. 1: "I'm an IT expert in RL, and they have done this all wrong" type. 2: "I'm a paying customer, fix it immediately or I quit" type. |

JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:09:00 -
[233]
Edited by: JrLUK on 02/03/2006 22:11:19
Originally by: Sigge dont know if this has to do with bloodlines but my chat window has become totaly transparent.. hard to see sometimes. i have changed the colours in the grafix menu both of them but nothing changes? .. the cargohold window does on the otherhand follow the transparency bars?? .. i run in window mode and i do not use widescreen. what to do?
Edited by: JrLUK on 02/03/2006 22:09:33 Have you pinned it by accident ? Theres a small icon next to the maximise and minimise buttons on the top right of the box looks like a circle with a dot in the middle. Click that should be back 2 normal
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Bex Beere
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:12:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Bex Beere
hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
Sorry, took me a while. 
hehe - this has to be a first. Dark Shikari not posting in a topic before page 9 
Anyone know if refining is working now - losing 240K of pyerite is one thing but I have to process the fuel for a number of POS soon and I would like to get more than just the Heavy Water. Guess I'll just have to try refining a single cube of ice and see what I get.
Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
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Colonel O'Neill
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:12:00 -
[235]
What's with all the complaining Why aren't you people working
  
// Colonel O'Neill |

SinBin
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:12:00 -
[236]
Why do ccp run the test srver just for me to have fun ?.
The windows opening was first bug I see on sisi so ya assume everyone kows it.
I just cant belive iv just undocked to find corp info & my player info blocking the screen.
On sisi the market was always opening & i bet this is gunno cause some lovly extra lag if peeps on tq get it.
Seems to be the things you open before your first undock, they then open every jump & dock & even switching character he has the same windows opening. _______________________________________
Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks |

Inconceivable
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:12:00 -
[237]
I have two accounts -
The first logged into station fine, undocked, and then only black. Four retries to login and nothign but black.
The second was in space, and has never seen anything but black on login.
So no go here.
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Daivasth
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:28:00 -
[238]
not sure if the problem is clientside, but i can't warp to mission locations now. not that big of a deal, standing loss isn't too important to me right now. otherwise, things work fine for me.
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:31:00 -
[239]
no lag yay --- 400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. -Capsicum would you like some cheese with that whine? - Shinnen
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Thalera Saldana
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:36:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Daivasth not sure if the problem is clientside, but i can't warp to mission locations now. not that big of a deal, standing loss isn't too important to me right now. otherwise, things work fine for me.
Just having the exact same problem. Mission locations are unreachable, either through the right click menu or the mission details from the journal. My ship just sits there and won't warp to the location I'm guessing no time bonus for me then.
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Judge Chuck
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:43:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Daivasth not sure if the problem is clientside, but i can't warp to mission locations now. not that big of a deal, standing loss isn't too important to me right now. otherwise, things work fine for me.
Yup, same issue here... Dunno if it's a specific mission... I'm trying to do The Black Market Hub, level 3 mission.
Cheers,
Judge Chuck
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:44:00 -
[242]
Both my clients dropped, and when i try to log in, it says "your character is located in pimebeka, which is currently loading"
lol
Ccp just pwned me Sig removed, don't do it again. -Abdalion |

Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:44:00 -
[243]
Edited by: Kerushi on 02/03/2006 22:44:25 u must be ****ting me...
warp to gate -> to much traffic txt -> ctd -> login -> Your character is located within (Josameto), which is currently loading. Please try again in a moment.
wth?
edit: great, 20sec later and a reboot msg shows up, figures  ________________ I don't DO graphics, here's a sig anyway, wubwoo - Cortes lol thanks :-) |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:45:00 -
[244]
unscheleded DT in 8 minutes message i just got guess we are goin a reboot
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:46:00 -
[245]
Traffic control sstem is balls.It sucked on sisi, and it sucks on here too. Inties gank squads will love it. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |

Judge Chuck
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:47:00 -
[246]
Yria is now loading as well... Cheers,
Judge Chuck
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:47:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Bex Beere
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Bex Beere
hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
Sorry, took me a while. 
hehe - this has to be a first. Dark Shikari not posting in a topic before page 9 
I was, like, doing actual work? 
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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cap'n porkchop
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:48:00 -
[248]
ok, who had a fleet battle on patch day? 
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Judge Chuck
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:49:00 -
[249]
Originally by: cap'n porkchop ok, who had a fleet battle on patch day? 
ROFL! 
Cheers,
Judge Chuck
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Kyoko Draken
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:49:00 -
[250]
I'm going through the same darn problem, I login, it tells me the system is loading, CTD, rinse then repeat.
I seriously hope this isn't how the traffic system works because if it does, the game will become seriously unplayable.
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FluffySquirrel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:50:00 -
[251]
Anyone else still getting offers of charges in missions still by the way?.. didn't end up accepting it tho, heard the missions were broke...
Was a little sad to see my drones still lining up 1700m from my ship when returning to bay as well.. was hoping the fix to their AB usage would sort that one.. ah well
Also spotted that the storyline agent had moved from Oursulaert to Aunia.. but I quite like that one, I'm based in Aunia ^^
Fluffy cause sometimes everyone needs a fluffy squirrel to cuddle...
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Heather Skarsgard
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:52:00 -
[252]
Originally by: cap'n porkchop ok, who had a fleet battle on patch day? 
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Micklaine's Alt
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:52:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Sorry, took me a while. 
Sadly, as I sifted through the pages of drivel, I was wondering if I'd see your ugly mug. I sure see it everywhere else, ya forum *****. 
-Mick
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Gnobe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:54:00 -
[254]
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3536/200603022248236xe.png
Traffic control is most certainly weird.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:59:00 -
[255]
hehe I didnt even realise that was a faueture on test server, i asumed it ws just on test server now cos so few systems are in use, on sisi even wile working you had to jump every unused systems twice even auto pilot mest up.
The yellow cans are just plain narsty looking. _______________________________________
Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks |

gxejxnnukf
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:01:00 -
[256]
Waa waa waa! Waa! Waa wwaaaaaaa! WAAAAA wwaaaaa wwaa! WAWAWAWAWA!!!! WAH!
Just thought I'd get that out of my system. Hopefully my ship is still in existence when I'm able to log in...
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Red5 Two
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:02:00 -
[257]
CCP - Dump the IBM blades and buy some decent kit!
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Princess Ying
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:03:00 -
[258]
Is it my imagination or my startup SP is tard low?
I only created this char and its SP is 7,244. I mean this is the lowest I ever seen after creating numerous type of char.
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:03:00 -
[259]
lol ditto to the post above.. another hotfix with a ship of mine containing 30 bpos.... great! its been a day day me thinks! 
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schurem
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:03:00 -
[260]
rough rollout.. was expected, no big deal
OMG I LOVE THE NEW DRONES!!!!!!!!!!!!
can't wait for the waters to calm :D
<<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>>
Typhoon for the win. Nastier than whats faster, faster than whats nastier! |
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VinLieger
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:03:00 -
[261]
Havent been able to play yet but not too bothered about it thanks for the patch CCP 
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Red5 Two
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:03:00 -
[262]
And employ some decent coders!
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Thetys
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:06:00 -
[263]
yeah, thumbs up for the new "clever" and "fast" drones :)
thumbs down for the traffic controll (if this is allready working as intended)
tah tah thetys
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:06:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Sevarus James on 02/03/2006 23:07:04
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Bex Beere
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Bex Beere
hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
Sorry, took me a while. 
hehe - this has to be a first. Dark Shikari not posting in a topic before page 9 
I was, like, doing actual work? 
EXCUSES EXCUSES....sheesh.
I still find it funny after three years of patches, that people come to the forums on patch day, and act like they had no warning about this. heh heh.
Oh well. In my job I'm on the dev's side of the fence when it comes to managing/maintaining servers, so I'm about as sympathetic as it gets. It'll get better. Just post the issues you see, so the devs KNOW about em'. Whining and moaning doesn't make it better.
--now, back to Theodicy whilst I wait for the newest patch to be applied. 
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Gah'khaz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:07:00 -
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prolly being fixed as we speak but i thought i'd mention it just in case: tried switching skills before we went down for the agent update but it couldn't connect to the proxy node so i weren't able to swap skills before we went down.. couldn't even access the character sheet might have been a problem with nodes shutting down unsyncronised aka before the cluster were supposed to go down? i dunno
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lunnatic
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:07:00 -
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I think we should get a free day because we were cheated out of a day of playing when they could have brought this patch in before witht he hardware upgrades and saved us all a day
sign here if you want a free day!!
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Red5 Two
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:07:00 -
[267]
BTW! A HOTFIX is something you can apply while a server is running!
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Thetys
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: lunnatic I think we should get a free day because we were cheated out of a day of playing when they could have brought this patch in before witht he hardware upgrades and saved us all a day
sign here if you want a free day!!
ah i think it's ok, since ccp is not charging for expansions and stuff like other o-games
tah tah thetys
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Lord Zod
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:08:00 -
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I am not usally one to complain on patches, but i have to agree with people here, this traffic advisory thing is CRAP!!!, and the new startup setup is silly, server up, log in, "your character is is ú"%!% which isnt loaded yet" WTF!!!, this idea has to be one of the most silly things i have seen, i hate it.
CCP, it wasn't that bad before, now with this addison it's loads worse, surely you see this, take this crappy feature out.
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Brielle
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: JrLUK lol ditto to the post above.. another hotfix with a ship of mine containing 30 bpos.... great! its been a day day me thinks! 
On patch day you load all your BPOs in a ship and start milling about? You have some kind of deathwish? |
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lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:10:00 -
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wonder if this reboot will fix the market pop up bug?
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Thetys
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Brielle
Originally by: JrLUK lol ditto to the post above.. another hotfix with a ship of mine containing 30 bpos.... great! its been a day day me thinks! 
On patch day you load all your BPOs in a ship and start milling about? You have some kind of deathwish?
maybe he has 300 bpo's and decided just to risk 10% of em since we have patch day? 
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RF Hunter
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:11:00 -
[273]
I wish they made it so we can manage our skills on this website. That way we can update skills while on vacation, work, etc.
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Celists Ni
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:12:00 -
[274]
I may be being blind but can't sit here and read all the notes, I just need to check if it's just me.
I am trying to log in and have applied the patch, however once it loads up I just get 'Checking Status' that's it nothing else??? Any help would be great. please don't be sarchy I know there is a patch and I know there are problems but looks like most people have logged in at some point? Im wondering if I have buggered my game, even the shortcut icons have gone????
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Red5 Two
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:12:00 -
[275]
Delete your cache folder to fix the window probelm mate.
Are there any EX SOE employee's working for CCP? Is this EverQuest ahem EverPatch III??
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Thetys
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:12:00 -
[276]
Originally by: RF Hunter I wish they made it so we can manage our skills on this website. That way we can update skills while on vacation, work, etc.
/signed
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konkord
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:14:00 -
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heh i read another topic that said "make a petition if your stuck and post in this thred" now, i havent read thoe whole thread cos im knackered after footy and im gunna hit the sack.
But file a petition?! are you smokin' skag?! i've had a bloody petition fled for a month for no reply. and i chased it up, only to find my chase up put in a queue and not replied. Part of the petition is a full set of +3 implants. i've lost a month of incresaed skilling, a month of use of my Arazu, a gistii 'a' type small... a month of some gameplay because of the crappy response time to my petition.
Now this isnt going to make me quit the game, cos, i lub it long time, and i've just bought another character one of the new bloodlines.... but this IS making me not love CCP so much. a week? fine. a month? CCP.... come on.... buck your idea's up, this service is ****e. |

SpaceJockey
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:16:00 -
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well not too sure whether somebody has already mention this but;
when i try to rename a cargo can in my cargo hold which incidently belongs to me after paying for it i get the following message;
2006.03.02 22:10:56 notify You can't rename objects that you do not have access to.
i know its only a minor issue and i will be prob be flamed for it and called names and told my gramma is bad ect , but i thought i would post it anyway :)
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Dark Surtr
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:16:00 -
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Your character is located within (system), which is currently loading. Please try again in a moment.
wtf?
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Cartierx
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:17:00 -
[280]
I was coming home from work while the hotfix was being applied, and my car is riding REALLY bumpy! everything was fine this morning!!
I demand we get a free day of service since the patch is causing my car to be running funny now!!!
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John Digweed
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:17:00 -
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lol @ all the "it professionals" telling developers how to do their jobs.
/me passes out cookies
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Lord Zod
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:19:00 -
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WTF!!! is it with this traffic advisory thing, hell if u are keeping it in, can you make an option to stop the dam popup, i just got hit with like 50 in 5 seconds.
This is mad.
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lunnatic
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cartierx I was coming home from work while the hotfix was being applied, and my car is riding REALLY bumpy! everything was fine this morning!!
I demand we get a free day of service since the patch is causing my car to be running funny now!!!
I second that and call for more support, and congrats to the ccp team we royally screwed this one up :)
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Edgars Sults
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:23:00 -
[284]
bah. I can't even log in. have they put some kind of queued logging in? and the message about server booting and connection lost is just annoying. |

TheDevilsLawyer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:28:00 -
[285]
well... I hit the Connect button and it authenticates my login, then immediately closes the login-in program (which restarts) and gives the connection to server lost message. Does this every time I hit connect.
Not complaining though, just can't wait till it gets fixed.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:28:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Edgars Sults bah. I can't even log in. have they put some kind of queued logging in? and the message about server booting and connection lost is just annoying.
just hammer the login button and u`ll get in
did it with 3 accounts and worked with some persistance heh ________________ I don't DO graphics, here's a sig anyway, wubwoo - Cortes lol thanks :-) |

Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:30:00 -
[287]
got back ingame, warp to station and... all space station icons are awol ________________ I don't DO graphics, here's a sig anyway, wubwoo - Cortes lol thanks :-) |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:30:00 -
[288]
Still no days since last login feature for CEOs to manage inactives. CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Major Skillz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:31:00 -
[289]
When I login I get;
The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly.
However there the server shows 3200 other players lodged in. Not sure what that is. I'll just chill though. I'm not one to panic over these things. |

lunnatic
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:31:00 -
[290]
is anyone else getting your info screen whenever you jump through a gate, dock or undock? and if so how do you fix it?? btw we want a free day, bombard the message boards i say
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Thetys thumbs down for the traffic controll (if this is allready working as intended)
Not sure about that one tbh >_>
A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02 |

Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:33:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Major Skillz When I login I get;
The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly.
However there the server shows 3200 other players lodged in. Not sure what that is. I'll just chill though. I'm not one to panic over these things.
hammer it and u`ll get in soonÖ after ________________ I don't DO graphics, here's a sig anyway, wubwoo - Cortes lol thanks :-) |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:34:00 -
[293]
im in CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Raivotar
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:36:00 -
[294]
Edited by: Raivotar on 02/03/2006 23:36:41 First let me quote this masterpiece so you can read it again:
Originally by: Ranger 1
Patch day always brings out the same two types of people. 1: "I'm an IT expert in RL, and they have done this all wrong" type. 2: "I'm a paying customer, fix it immediately or I quit" type.
Well said there Mr Ranger 1.
Then personal note to many out there. Cry me a river, cupcakes. After that i direct you to thread that you should all have read. Its beyond me how did you miss this.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=299673
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2468
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:36:00 -
[295]
Quote: If you are facing a high number of windows (people & places, market, journal, etc.) opening up between session changes (undocking, jumping, etc.), please clear a portion of your cache. Log out of EVE, delete the 'machonet' folder in your EVE install location (EVE> Cache> Machonet), then log back in. This should resolve the problem.
Ive done this but im still getting the problem anything else i can do?
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Eyam
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:37:00 -
[296]
Back in ... but still presented with the same problems as before the unscheduled 20 min server down.
Windows pop up when docking/undocking, & system after system is reporting that it's gates are closing due to traffic.
Also, my mission is now borked as the mission targets are gone, the mission displays as completed, yet I never had a chance to collect the mission item. Plus, I lost 3 drones due to the unscheduled down.
Petition time tomorrow I suppose.
I've docked, logged, & just hope they take the game down again & fix it overnight.
Eyam.
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lunnatic
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:37:00 -
[297]
how do you delete the cache??
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Kool Milds
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:38:00 -
[298]
Same here. Exact problems prior to hotfix. Unable to use local. Unable to go anywhere. I guess the fix is to set a long skill and go do something else.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:38:00 -
[299]
well thats another day gone without possibility to play :(
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:38:00 -
[300]
"The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly."
Erm....this message has been popping up for the last 25 mins....and there is now 6K+ online.
Volt
Chuck Norris is far too over-hyped......Dan Akroyd FTW. |
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Jubilex
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:44:00 -
[301]
Boo Hoo - Eve's not working......for a day.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:47:00 -
[302]
Devs found the issue... Aperently one of the old hampster was stuck in the code --- Tipical n00b error No Sig For Now |

AceOfSpace
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:47:00 -
[303]
Deleting MachoNet hasn't solved the window opening bug for me either -_-
-where there's an ace, there's a way- |

lunnatic
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:53:00 -
[304]
Edited by: lunnatic on 02/03/2006 23:53:25 yea deleting that folder in the eve main folder didnt stop the screen pop ups and how do you clear the cache, is it your browser cache cause i dont know of any other
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Flax Volcanus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:53:00 -
[305]
Originally by: AceOfSpace Deleting MachoNet hasn't solved the window opening bug for me either -_-
Ditto. What is the deal with that? Skills and market at every dock, jump, etc.  |

Merdoch
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:58:00 -
[306]
Kill the traffic advisories, or allow some way for the autopilot to ignore them. As it is, autopilot is useless for any jump in my area, since home next to Azer which magically seems to be on the "Traffic Advisory!" list even though it shows no signs of heavy traffic or lag.
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Anstice Frost
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:00:00 -
[307]
vherokior chick is a cutie, i'm considering re-rolling one.
Quote: Originally by: Galaxion
The Uneducated fly Amarr. Those in the know fly Minmatar. Nooblars fly Gallente. Cheaters fly Caldari. Rich people fly Faction.
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Ralus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:01:00 -
[308]
Originally by: lunnatic how do you delete the cache??
c:\program files\ccp\eve\cashe
technically a cashe clean is deleting everything in there but most problems can be fixed by deleating everything exept the prefs.ini and settings folder, and this will allow you to keep your bm folders and any other game settings you might be attached to
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Sensei Milia
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:02:00 -
[309]
does this new patch come with a new start screen?
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:03:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Ralus
Originally by: lunnatic how do you delete the cache??
c:\program files\ccp\eve\cashe
technically a cashe clean is deleting everything in there but most problems can be fixed by deleating everything exept the prefs.ini and settings folder, and this will allow you to keep your bm folders and any other game settings you might be attached to
in this case i think you have to delete something in your settings folder to fix it, i¦ve tried deleting everything except settings folder and prefs.ini but i still have that bug.
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2468
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:11:00 -
[311]
I delete the hole file (cache) solved the problem but i losed all my setting and things :/ but i put the cache file back now :D just need to find out what to delete in the cache file :)
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Trilliam Blackthorn
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:19:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Flax Volcanus
Originally by: AceOfSpace Deleting MachoNet hasn't solved the window opening bug for me either -_-
Ditto. What is the deal with that? Skills and market at every dock, jump, etc. 
Ditto as well. Popups still happening. A minor bug...just a bit annoying.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:19:00 -
[313]
Just to note, I don't actually get any traffic messages. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
Player of the character "Andre Ricard". |

Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:23:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Trilliam Blackthorn
Originally by: Flax Volcanus
Originally by: AceOfSpace Deleting MachoNet hasn't solved the window opening bug for me either -_-
Ditto. What is the deal with that? Skills and market at every dock, jump, etc. 
Ditto as well. Popups still happening. A minor bug...just a bit annoying.
A minor bug? Try travel a long distance. Its a friggin annoying "put me off" the game bug... C'mon devs, clearing the cache doesnt help.
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:24:00 -
[315]
Originally by: 2468 I delete the hole file (cache) solved the problem but i losed all my setting and things :/ but i put the cache file back now :D just need to find out what to delete in the cache file :)
i¦ve done some trial and error now, and the specific file that needs to be deleted in the settings folder is user_123456.dat
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Tousaka Langley
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:27:00 -
[316]
I can't change my current characters portrait with one of the new blood lines.
grrrrr.
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Megri
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:28:00 -
[317]
Edited by: Megri on 03/03/2006 00:30:36 Edited by: Megri on 03/03/2006 00:29:54 I understand everything gets tested, as best it can... (as a dev pointed out on page 2 - 4 (not sure which page it was)..
HOWEVER-
DONT POST that "All is Fixed.. get manual patch.." when your not sure if it is all fixed!!!!!!!!!
After seeing "All is Fixed.. " I took YOUR WORDS and went out ratting only to LOOSE my darn Drones...
Cant get replacement drones unless I fly to empire... which is bloody far, and dangerous...
Next time please post "Don't do anything serious, or expect to go ratting, pvping, or travelling for 2-3 days" instead of saying its fixed, only to have it crash in your face 10 minutes later.
(PS - replacement drones would be nice - just stick 'em in my active ship)
/end rant
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:28:00 -
[318]
Any of you got in? I couldn't believe that... Anytime i'm trying have the same message: "unable to conect"!
How came some of you already played and some of us couldn't manage to get in??????????????????????
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Dave Tehsulei
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:31:00 -
[319]
Quote: "Move to Drone Bay" option for drones in your cargo hold will work only when you are within range of a ship hangar array.
doesnt seem to work... according to alliance chat no one can get the option to appear
Quote: Drone bays are no longer accessible in space via a keyboard shortcut.
which means theres no way to get new drones in to your drone bay at a pos
anyone able to get this to work ?
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2468
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:31:00 -
[320]
Quote: i¦ve done some trial and error now, and the specific file that needs to be deleted in the settings folder is user_123456.dat
yes that works
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:35:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Altaireus
Originally by: 2468 I delete the hole file (cache) solved the problem but i losed all my setting and things :/ but i put the cache file back now :D just need to find out what to delete in the cache file :)
i¦ve done some trial and error now, and the specific file that needs to be deleted in the settings folder is user_123456.dat
i can also add that i think its really bad that we have to delete settings we have spent a lot of time tweaking (overview anyone?), just because CCP mess up.
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AceOfSpace
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:41:00 -
[322]
Originally by: 2468
Quote: i¦ve done some trial and error now, and the specific file that needs to be deleted in the settings folder is user_123456.dat
yes that works
I didn't have any such file, but deleting all the various user*.dat files was a good enough solution (make a note of window colour settings first if they're customised)
-where there's an ace, there's a way- |

Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:42:00 -
[323]
Deleting the settings folder in cache does fix the windows poping up. However have fun set up your settings again how you like them. Sigh... thousands of bm's out of their folders... neat... tnx ccp 
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Exogene
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:43:00 -
[324]
No one said software development is easy (believe me it's not easy); especially for a game that supports over 20k users at the same time Good luck fixing the bugs CCP.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:44:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Exogene No one said software development is easy (believe me it's not easy); especially for a game that supports over 20k users at the same time Good luck fixing the bugs CCP.
No but a little testing sometimes work... and we all know by now CCP suck watermelons at QA.... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |

Miara Saionji
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:46:00 -
[326]
Edited by: Miara Saionji on 03/03/2006 00:46:02
Originally by: Tas Devil FFS I READ MY MAIL !
I don't need the bloody mail window popping up at every jump ?
\o/ all clap at CCP for introducing a yet unheard of bug in this new patch ! Impressed as always guys never thought you'd come up with a new bug in this patch ...but you exceeded my expactations AGAIN !!!
That's not a new bug, I've seen it before, ages ago. 
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Ju'Ju
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:57:00 -
[327]
Cannot load drones into drone bay at Ship Maintenance Array any more.
wtf? 
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:00:00 -
[328]
The cloaking sound effects were fixed, but the afterburners and MWD animations are still down.
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:01:00 -
[329]
ANYBODY CAN TELL ME HOW U PASSED ****1NG BLOОDY LOGON: unable to connect 87.237.38.200 on port 26000
all i need just to switching my skill to other, cause previos was training 7 hours ago!!!!
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FluffySquirrel
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:05:00 -
[330]
Newest problems I've had are generally the way rats in a mission will now come hurtling towards me at 1500m/s.. every so often dropping back down to the normal 300m/s for no apparent reason... and yet.. they seemed closing at around 12km away from me... except for the odd one.. which would stop at 31km.. and I literally mean stop.. just suddenly slowed down to 0m/s for unknown reasons..
Fluffy cause sometimes everyone needs a fluffy squirrel to cuddle...
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:06:00 -
[331]
No mining foreman link bpos in Outer Ring region. 
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:17:00 -
[332]
Every time I jump to a new system my scanner pops up.
VOlt
Chuck Norris is far too over-hyped......Dan Akroyd FTW. |

Diatom
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:19:00 -
[333]
My missile launchers won't reload when empty or when I press "Reload All". The lag is once again quite noticeable. 
"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there" |

Merrick Solipsus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:21:00 -
[334]
Well I tried deleting the Machonet from cache to keep my Evemail and Market windows from popping up. Not only did it not work but now after an hour of playing my wallet keeps popping up. :/
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:23:00 -
[335]
GOD dаmn it? r u peoples death??????????????????????????????????
Very nice off all of you. u keep discussing your problem INGAME, and won't to help me with problem how to come in.......
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Arctos
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:35:00 -
[336]
Hour 3 40% downloaded.
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Xroxor
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:58:00 -
[337]
Blah... I didnt want to read thru 9+ pages to see if someone is haveing the same porblem as I.... But Here goes.... Every time I jump to a new system, my "Charactor Sheet" and "EvE-mail" pops open. Its a minor problem but can get very annoying when your in a battle or have to go along distance.
Thanks ____________________________
Siggy fall down and go boom |

Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:08:00 -
[338]
REINSTALLED AND INSTALLING BACK DIDN'T HELP ME WITH PROBLEM: UNABLE TO CONNECT ....... TO PORT 26000
I'LL FLOOD THIS THREAD TILL GM'S 'LL ANSWER HERE OR IN OTHER THREAD...
~Known Issues & Workarounds ~Am I the only person who can't log in?
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Genshika Kouseki
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:12:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Voin REINSTALLED AND INSTALLING BACK DIDN'T HELP ME WITH PROBLEM: UNABLE TO CONNECT ....... TO PORT 26000
Same here. Reinstalled the full 3896 build and alternately cannot connect or wants me to patch to 3807(??) boot.ini has build=3896... Really would appreciate some official help here... |

Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:13:00 -
[340]
Quote: If you are facing a high number of windows (people & places, market, journal, etc.) opening up between session changes (undocking, jumping, etc.), please clear a portion of your cache. Log out of EVE, delete the 'machonet' folder in your EVE install location (EVE> Cache> Machonet), then log back in. This should resolve the problem.
No, that doesn't work, how about a fix that doesn't require us to wipe out all our settings?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:13:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Xroxor Blah... I didnt want to read thru 9+ pages to see if someone is haveing the same porblem as I.... But Here goes.... Every time I jump to a new system, my "Charactor Sheet" and "EvE-mail" pops open. Its a minor problem but can get very annoying when your in a battle or have to go along distance.
Thanks
I wrote over how to fix it. If you cant be bothered to read through the thread for answears, it cant be that annoying :p
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Odan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:19:00 -
[342]
other issues, didnt see it listed so thought i'd put it up. there seems to be an issue with loosing connection after warping. i warped into a dead space run and lost connection. (and consequently a ship) am hearing from m8's that the loss of connection issue seems to occur post warp and or when activating modules (not sure if its just ew)
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FKN Cire
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:25:00 -
[343]
Yes, EVE hates me. I have problem after problem after problem. Maybe some one else in the world of eve is having these problems.
1.) Items Missings, Assets window says they are their you dock and you find nothing. Then undock and their is it.
2.) B.S.O.D. "Black Screens Of Death" EVE wanting to fullscreen and window mode on it own? cuaseing EVE to crash out or become unstable.
3.) BPO's getting lost after research delivery..
4.) Cans In your hanger EMPTY, but logs say it all their? (About 600mil in Items GONE!)
5.) Undocking with loot in you cargo hold and it gone after undock. or docking.
6.) Jumping into a new system with items in cargo hold and they are gone after jump.
7.) Market opening after EVERY jump, dock, undock..
8.) Unable to move items, cuase thier is no room and you know their is..?
9.) Fitting items on you ship (when i am lucky to find some) and not beable to online them.. no CPU/Powergrid..
10.) Onlined Items on your ship, when you undock they are offline...
11.) Unable to load Ammo into your guns, No room..
12.) Paying for serivce, and not beable to play.  ---------------------------------------------- Can I Lick your Windows? |

SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:26:00 -
[344]
Originally by: kieron The large number of traffic advisories and market issues are due to the start up of the servers, and CPU load. As the servers and database settle in, the number of traffic advisories will decrease and markets will open. This is a known issue and will be addressed.
Sure... in other words, the empire's are preparing for war and closing the borders and plasing restrictions on travel and the economy...
Or have I played too much EvE already? |

Arctos
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:26:00 -
[345]
Anyone have a link to the patch? Auto failed after 4 1/2 hours. Manual says 20 hours to d'load.
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:31:00 -
[346]
Can any dev comment on the asteroid icon issues? For many people, once you jump out of the system you log in at, you cannot see the asteroid icons in space, meaning you have almost no chance of engaging NPCing enemies.
For others, it works fine.
I think this is actually a pretty important issue, as it affects gameplay a great deal.
Can we get a comment?
Will this be fixed in a hotfix if possible, or will I have to wait several months for the next full patch before I can resume normal gameplay? -------------------
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itorius
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:32:00 -
[347]
Edited by: itorius on 03/03/2006 02:34:56 Edited by: itorius on 03/03/2006 02:34:33 sorry if this been reported i've not read other pages. i just undocked i carn't see my ship or any station or warpgate, i can see other players and concord. no idea..
Edit: swapping system fixed it
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Orion Tempest
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:34:00 -
[348]
Don't know if this has been mentionned. The option to disable items locking in containers doesn't seem to work. I changed all my containers to unlocked by default, but any new items I transfer into the containers are still locked by default it seems.
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Genshika Kouseki
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:42:00 -
[349]
Still can't connect... no firewall, no help...
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:44:00 -
[350]
I cleared all my cache (except settings and pref.ini) and still the stupid market opens everytime I zone (dock, jump). What do I have to do to make it stop? _________________________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:55:00 -
[351]
Help to us
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Dakath
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:24:00 -
[352]
Re: Windows popping up.
I cleared my cache on all three accounts. I keep them in separate folders. I did this before starting EVE after the patch.
That worked for a couple of hours. But now one account pops open the people and places window whenever I log in and whenever I undock. I have cleaned that cache 3 times.
It is a server-side bug.
BTW. Don't even bother to tell me to submit a bug report until the bug reporting process is made point-click and easy. I don't work for CCP, I am not going to go through all that ---- for no pay.
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Colonel O'Neill
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:29:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Dakath Re: Windows popping up.
I cleared my cache on all three accounts. I keep them in separate folders. I did this before starting EVE after the patch.
That worked for a couple of hours. But now one account pops open the people and places window whenever I log in and whenever I undock. I have cleaned that cache 3 times.
It is a server-side bug.
BTW. Don't even bother to tell me to submit a bug report until the bug reporting process is made point-click and easy. I don't work for CCP, I am not going to go through all that ---- for no pay.
Same issue. Clearing the cache DOES NOT FIX THIS BUG
// Colonel O'Neill |

Spyres
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:33:00 -
[354]
I was able to play fine, aside from the window bug, but now, if I try to log in, I get 'FAILED' as the result.
I can connect, get to character selection, but when I click my character portrait to enter the game, that is when it fails.
I can, oddly, log in with other chars on the same account. I just have one char that keeps failing... 
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Darkon Gatland
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:37:00 -
[355]
Edited by: Darkon Gatland on 03/03/2006 03:41:04 Now im unable to delete the machonet folder or my cache folder.
This needs fixing pronto.
Ah and now it is lagging out my undocking cos it wants to load up market. 
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:46:00 -
[356]
yeah the multi windows is the main one CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Dark Pearl
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:52:00 -
[357]
anyone with the reload bugg ??? i use projectile ammo first i start with nuclear when npc's get closer i switch to emp ammo but after that i cant switch back to nuclear anymore i get this message :2006.03.03 03:01:39 notify There is not enough space to add those charges. There is only 0.500000 units of space, but the charges require 0.700000 units. any ideas how to fix this ? greets dp
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Caine 607
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:02:00 -
[358]
Hi there,
I hope someone can help me with my query as it's causing some concern. I was one of the first few hundred to log on at 18:00 hrs.
After being confronted by a host of jump gate closure messages I managed to accept a number of missions from my usual agents at which point I proceeded to undock.. that is, I clicked on the 'undock' button however, that is the furthest I have managed to get thus far.
I don't want to appear to be unempathetic with the dev team however, given the number of unanswered queries concerning this very issue of character log on failures and black screens, it would be of some modest consolation if I knew that my 9 hours of patient resignation might warrant a brief contribution from one of the forum allocated dev team correspondents.
In short, please could a member of the CCP development team please explain to me what is required of me to get past this infuriating character selection 'entering game as...' screen so that I can duly complete my missions and collect my not so bountiful reward.
Thankyou in advance !
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Mark Antony
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:36:00 -
[359]
I am very happy with this new bloodline deployment. Thanks CCP. You just made the best MMORPG on the planet even better! :)
- Mark Antony
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:59:00 -
[360]
Drones are still retarded. They usually use MWD's between targets, but they still don't sometimes. -------------------------------------------------------- Lieutenant BSC Military
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DelBosco
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:26:00 -
[361]
I'm having problems with being able to see asteroid field icons. The new alt functionality is ok, but it stops functioning as soon as you open the map panel. The only way to get the icons back is to restart EVE. _________________________________________________ When madness of the fever grips and greed is taking hold Nothing can ever cure your thirst except for rum and gold |

Tousaka Langley
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:33:00 -
[362]
Edited by: Tousaka Langley on 03/03/2006 06:34:27 Seriously, let me use this goddamn avatar as my main by portrait swapping.
Don't release such sweet looking avatars, have a portrait swap ability, but then limit it to within bloodlines only. This isn't a serious complaint, just that I really love the new characters but don't like the idea of alts or re rolling.
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Muiterij
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:47:00 -
[363]
Anyone else has problem with buying minerals from Market (from Josemeta) with Corp wallet.
I bought some pyerite for 2 days now (01-03-2006) and (02-03-2006) now at 03-03-2006 my asset window does not show any new systems.
But my corp wallet has the isks lowered. I have already filled a bug report.
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Abbatrader
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Posted - 2006.03.03 06:54:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Muiterij Anyone else has problem with buying minerals from Market (from Josemeta) with Corp wallet.
I bought some pyerite for 2 days now (01-03-2006) and (02-03-2006) now at 03-03-2006 my asset window does not show any new systems.
But my corp wallet has the isks lowered. I have already filled a bug report.
Is it possible they are to be found in corp deliveries rather than personal assets?
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Ju'Ju
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:41:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Kusotarre Can any dev comment on the asteroid icon issues? For many people, once you jump out of the system you log in at, you cannot see the asteroid icons in space, meaning you have almost no chance of engaging NPCing enemies.
For others, it works fine.
I think this is actually a pretty important issue, as it affects gameplay a great deal.
Can we get a comment?
Will this be fixed in a hotfix if possible, or will I have to wait several months for the next full patch before I can resume normal gameplay?
Right Click is your friend.
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SolarKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.03 07:56:00 -
[366]
Not sure if this is the right place, but after clearing cache to try and unstick one character, i ended up with both being stuck at login The Light in the Darkness
Origin Systems is Recruiting http://Origin.zapto.org |

Hazavwa
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:03:00 -
[367]
Still can't connect to eve - unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 2600
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:52:00 -
[368]
Drones-
While ratting, my corpmates Valkyrie II's kept attacking ME next instead of the next NPC.
Valkyries were also getting stuck to eachother and stopping when returning to the ship.
And there is no longer a right click option to 'move drone to drone bay' while sitting right next to a ship maintanance array at a POS.
Ethereal Imperium [E-IMP] is recruiting! Please visit our webpage for more information. |

Brad Stone
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:00:00 -
[369]
Edited by: Brad Stone on 03/03/2006 09:01:46 Kusotarre dude, I always right click that traingle next to system name in top left corner.... then click on "asteriod belts" Chose ur belt aand off you go. WAY easier than trying to find the triangles in space. Or... <GASP> add asteroid belts to your overview settings
Originally by: Ju'Ju
Originally by: Kusotarre Can any dev comment on the asteroid icon issues? For many people, once you jump out of the system you log in at, you cannot see the asteroid icons in space, meaning you have almost no chance of engaging NPCing enemies.
For others, it works fine.
I think this is actually a pretty important issue, as it affects gameplay a great deal.
Can we get a comment?
Will this be fixed in a hotfix if possible, or will I have to wait several months for the next full patch before I can resume normal gameplay?
Right Click is your friend.
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Bermag
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:13:00 -
[370]
Problem:
You can not load drones into dron cargo in a POS using ship maintenance array.
This is a huge problem for us drone users in 0.0 far from any station
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Agot Narat
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:13:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Dakath Re: Windows popping up.
I cleared my cache on all three accounts. I keep them in separate folders. I did this before starting EVE after the patch.
That worked for a couple of hours. But now one account pops open the people and places window whenever I log in and whenever I undock. I have cleaned that cache 3 times.
It is a server-side bug.
BTW. Don't even bother to tell me to submit a bug report until the bug reporting process is made point-click and easy. I don't work for CCP, I am not going to go through all that ---- for no pay.
Resetting the window positions to default solved the problem of windows popping up after jumping/docking/undocking for me.
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:24:00 -
[372]
Rat spawns are 2500KM away in every belt up where I am....  _______________________________ Waa it still too big not by much tho |

Hazavwa
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:37:00 -
[373]
Originally by: Hazavwa Edited by: Hazavwa on 03/03/2006 09:00:56 Still can't connect to eve - unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 2600- Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again.- can sum1 help me plz ?
Can any1 help if they experienced the same problem and then got eve to work ?
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Khendrak Tzitson
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:51:00 -
[374]
Originally by: SolarKnight Not sure if this is the right place, but after clearing cache to try and unstick one character, i ended up with both being stuck at login
Hmmm. Same thing is happening to me.
Any ideas anyone? Anyone? ______________________________________________
If space is a vacuum, who empties the bag? |

Kusotarre
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:59:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Brad Stone Kusotarre dude, I always right click that traingle next to system name in top left corner.... then click on "asteriod belts" Chose ur belt aand off you go. WAY easier than trying to find the triangles in space. Or... <GASP> add asteroid belts to your overview settings
Originally by: Ju'Ju
Originally by: Kusotarre Can any dev comment on the asteroid icon issues? For many people, once you jump out of the system you log in at, you cannot see the asteroid icons in space, meaning you have almost no chance of engaging NPCing enemies.
For others, it works fine.
I think this is actually a pretty important issue, as it affects gameplay a great deal.
Can we get a comment?
Will this be fixed in a hotfix if possible, or will I have to wait several months for the next full patch before I can resume normal gameplay?
Right Click is your friend.
You two clearly have no idea what I am talking about.
Say I know there is an enemy killing hunting NPCs in the next system. He is my enemy, so I want to kill him.
I jump into the system, and I warp to the planet with the most belts around it. Then, I pull up my scanner, set it to 15¦ 1 AU, and I start looking at the belts, and scanning. This allows me to find what belt he is in in a few seconds, not the several minutes it would take me to warp to each one until I find him.
Maybe I wasn't 100% clear before, but I think it's pretty obvious I am not just trying to warp to a random belt...
The part that really irks me is that there was no point in changing the icon system at all. It worked fine. You could enter a system, and the belts were there, plain sight. No extra buttons to push, and no problems with getting them to display for a lot of people.
But, they changed it anyways, and now it's broken. Congrats to CCP.
As I said, I'd like a comment from the Devs as to when this will be fixed.
I need to know if I should bother hanging around in enemy space waiting for this to be fixed, or if I should just pack it up for a couple months and participate only in fleetbattles and gate camps which dont require me to do anything with asteroid belts.
I'd rather go run missions than set up a bubble camp all by myself. -------------------
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Shumanus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:06:00 -
[376]
I'm stuck inside Jita and unable to log on due to the this new "traffic lights" system.
Which is kinda sad considering that there are only 100-ish people in the system and the new hardware could flawlessly serve 4 times that many before the blood patch.
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charred jawa
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:14:00 -
[377]
I was working fine earlier tonight (had logged in since the various reboots). Currently I'm unable to login in my main char, I select him, click it says entering game and then tells me "failed" and drops me right back out to the character selection screen. I've been trying to find others with this same problem and no luck. I tried the cache thing, that didn't help (I think that was for another problem but I tried it anyway). I can login with other characters but I'd prefer to use the one that has ummm... skills? and more than 5k :)
-jawa
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:17:00 -
[378]
Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 03/03/2006 10:17:03 Yup, main in VFK-IV is fine, though not tried undocking.
Alt in Jita, cant even get into game.
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Fantome
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:26:00 -
[379]
All Jita constellation locked this morning.. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |

Thetys
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:41:00 -
[380]
before i start writing a petition which will take a long time to get answered im trying here to post it in the hope "some" gm reads it?! dunno if you guys allready postet some or all of this stuff, this thread is HUGE :)
drones - is it just me or is the last drone (5 of 5, or 7 of 7) always too stupid to find her way back to my drone bay? all other drones crawl in - but the last drone needs some extra invitation to get on board, no biggie - but annoying, sometimes even more then just the last drone stops at like 600-1000m and does nothing but waiting for the personal invitation to enter my drone bay - "nudge nudge lil drone would you PLEASE, with sugar on top, come back to my ship?" :)
station containers - HUGE step forward with the default unlock feature, but still buggy, if you move more then 1 item into the can - locked again :(
sentry gun icons - they appear in the overview, they do NOT appear in the normal playview - please give it back ccp :P
mission reward charges - did i get you wrong in the patch notes? didn't you say we don't get spammed with 10.000 units of small iron charges anymore or 100.000 light missiles? well, we still get that stuff, at least, i do
jamming display - uhm, well, at least it displays "something" now, but not sure what, i don't think its lagged or something, but for me it appears the jamming display needs some luv, displays im jammed i can target, displays nothing i can't etc. while you at it, can you add display for war scrambling too? *nudge nudge*
traffic controll - no comment, guess you devs have ****loads of posts bout it :)
thats it for now tah tah thetys
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Nordmann
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:42:00 -
[381]
Archon¦s still fall sloping in warp.Fighters are dump as before the patch in behave and modules and skills dont have visible effects on them
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AceOfSpace
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Posted - 2006.03.03 10:49:00 -
[382]
Mm, the station containers thing would be awesome if it worked, but the fact that things lock if you move more than thing renders it pretty useless for now 
-where there's an ace, there's a way- |

Kusotarre
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:04:00 -
[383]
**** it.
Except for the bloodlines, roll this trash back.
The people have spoken! -------------------
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EternalDark
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:09:00 -
[384]
Serious issue: I have downloaded the new client after my old client failed to patch. Now when I try to run EVE it loads the standard screen and then does not go to the log in screen. I am assuming it is crashing and have no idea how to fix it.
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Tibi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:11:00 -
[385]
OK i'll talk about it here,where it's supposedly noticed: failed attempt at character selection screen
the popup bug
Here's the deal: lots n lots of people are getting stuck in jita/ours/rens,new caldari, cistavuert, kisogo etc. And they can do nada about it but sit n wait. When they try to relog they get "char selection failed" message at login. and most often than not u can not switch char ( u have to restart client to switch to antoher char). Also if u do manage to load yourself into such a system, you cant undock, change skill, nothing at all. That's a "big" problem down my bug definition manual. Want more info? what kind?
"I can only show you the door. You're the one who has to fix it!"
T.
PS: and about the pop up thread - dunno, didnt get this bug meself.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:15:00 -
[386]
font: unfixed
lag: fixed
node deaths: fixed
drone ai: updated
window focus: unfixed (open p&p, change the filter and type ... into a random field in a random open window)
petition system link in game: unfixed
petition system link out of game: unfixed
player guide: still half a year behind the current game realities
icons in space: screwed up badly
science&manufacturing: still most useless interface, but with a cancel option now. Only usefull if you have to get your BPO out of a job NOW, regardless of cost (welcome to clogged research queues.)
drone bay access hotkey: removed
drone bay access at pos: unfixed
patcher: replaced with new one: didn't delete /map nor /machonet though causing many pilots to get strange window popups.
tutorial: Status is still not stored on the server. Deleting /cache sends pilots into tutorial mode, screwing their chat settings royally.
... I could go on, but ... Great work. To bad the account page didn't like me trying to cancel my accounts. --*=*=*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:20:00 -
[387]
Corparation - CEO tools untouched for the most part
Divisonal wallets (rights and roles granting still there but the actual departmentalisation is still missing)
Days since last login on all members in youre corp - missing - or ignored.
Pop up add - still there hopefully hotfix after dt.
Lag = due to the new hardware still reasonable non existant.
New rats - slightly smarter somewhat tougher but still pretty bland. CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Bbllaarrgg
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:23:00 -
[388]
Edited by: Bbllaarrgg on 03/03/2006 11:25:01 Just out of interest, is it me or has almost everybody rushed out and created a new sexy asian chick alt? were all sad sad bastards 
Anyway, so i wanted to do this as well Had all 3 slots used up so i deleted one round 9pm last night...
At 10am today, the char select screen gives me the impression that it should let me terminate the old one right now (Its deffo been over 10hrs) but nothing happens when i press the terminate button, it just seems to stay there 
EDIT - Just thought i'd mention that the guy above me really does have a great suggestion in his sig  _________________________________________________
Insert fnord here. |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:27:00 -
[389]
Yes it seems i cant terminate one of my alts either to create a asian chick as u put it - i can see all the ISK farmer alts running around empire in 2 months mining away all looking the same. That said the asian male ones dont from a visual point look to bad.. on that front good work CCP CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Arbet Klallam
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:30:00 -
[390]
Is anyone eles not able to connect to the server?
Arb
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:31:00 -
[391]
its downtime atm restarting in 530 seconds. All is fine CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Arbet Klallam
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:36:00 -
[392]
Oops oh yea, forgot all about that
Arb
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:40:00 -
[393]
good news its ready to go now - bad news is we will probably have 4 or so crashes and unscheldued reboots in the next 12 hours or so. CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Hazavwa
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:47:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Hazavwa Edited by: Hazavwa on 03/03/2006 09:00:56 Still can't connect to eve - unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 2600- Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again.- can sum1 help me plz ?
Has any1 experienced the same difficulties, and if they've got eve to work,,, how ?
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:58:00 -
[395]
wiat for the servers to come back up CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:58:00 -
[396]
I haven't had any problems so far, but I haven't looked at things in depth either.
One thing I noticed though is that the text alignment bug in the chat is still not fixed. 
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Sonnema is recruiting! |

Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:59:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Hazavwa
Originally by: Hazavwa Edited by: Hazavwa on 03/03/2006 09:00:56 Still can't connect to eve - unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 2600- Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again.- can sum1 help me plz ?
Has any1 experienced the same difficulties, and if they've got eve to work,,, how ?
Maybe your firewall is blocking outbound access because of the new .exe?
--
Sonnema is recruiting! |

Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:01:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Corp Scammer wiat for the servers to come back up
Why wait? It's up now...
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Sonnema is recruiting! |

Hazavwa
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:03:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Sharcy
Originally by: Hazavwa
Originally by: Hazavwa Edited by: Hazavwa on 03/03/2006 09:00:56 Still can't connect to eve - unable to connect to 87.237.38.200 on port 2600- Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again.- can sum1 help me plz ?
Has any1 experienced the same difficulties, and if they've got eve to work,,, how ?
Maybe your firewall is blocking outbound access because of the new .exe?
i've turned my firewall off and i still get the same thing happening
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Verranda
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:12:00 -
[400]
Edited by: Verranda on 03/03/2006 12:13:07
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Argyll MacLeod
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:18:00 -
[401]
Check the sticky on top. It's still down ATM
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Jal Sireyl
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:30:00 -
[402]
The fix suggested for the popup bug (deleting the /cache/machonet folder) does not work. Earlier in this thread, Tachy mentioned the /cache/map folder as another possible culprit, so I deleted both folders, and that didn't work either.
This is extremely annoying, and I'd imagine it's fatally lag-inducing for people involved in wars or travelling through 0.0 space.
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jal Sireyl The fix suggested for the popup bug (deleting the /cache/machonet folder) does not work. Earlier in this thread, Tachy mentioned the /cache/map folder as another possible culprit, so I deleted both folders, and that didn't work either.
This is extremely annoying, and I'd imagine it's fatally lag-inducing for people involved in wars or travelling through 0.0 space.
try this fix, no need to delete settings or anything:
Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Found a simple fix for this. Undock with no windows open, see which ones open up. Group them all together and close them all. Dock and then ungroup and close them. Undock and see that no windows open up! *\o/*
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Lebowske
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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:36:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Jal Sireyl The fix suggested for the popup bug (deleting the /cache/machonet folder) does not work. Earlier in this thread, Tachy mentioned the /cache/map folder as another possible culprit, so I deleted both folders, and that didn't work either.
This is extremely annoying, and I'd imagine it's fatally lag-inducing for people involved in wars or travelling through 0.0 space.
Someone else mentioned how to fix this: 1. Put all the windows into same windows/group 2. Undock 3. Close group window 4. Redock 5. Open groupwindow / windows again 6. Disperse the windows into separate windows 7. Close them 8. Undock - it should be fixed
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Oveur

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Posted - 2006.03.03 12:54:00 -
[405]
Good info, we're parsing the thread, trying to reproduce the more uncommon ones and such. Please be as descriptive as possible when listing your issues. Example:
"My character doesn't work"
This doesn't help us an awful lot:
"My account with character Princess Beefcurtains doesn't work. When I try to log in, I get 'connection to server lost'. I tried this now and before downtime. However, my other account, with a new Khanid Beefcurtain works fine."
This helps tons. Tells us which character is in problems, which can not be deducted from forum posting trial-account alts, it says the exact error message and gives an example of what does work, allowing us to exclude a number of things, such as network problems.
Thankye!
Senior Producer EVE Online
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:05:00 -
[406]
I'm unable to log in, getting no return from the server at all :(.
STK-S Website |

Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:18:00 -
[407]
Originally by: AceOfSpace Mm, the station containers thing would be awesome if it worked, but the fact that things lock if you move more than thing renders it pretty useless for now 
Yep, that's a bit of a shame. I have all my containers set to default unlock now, and when I drag 1 item to it, it appears unlocked. Drag 3 though, and all 3 are locked.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:20:00 -
[408]
One quick note for those still having problems loggin in ...
This patch created a new .exe. file for eve located here ...
C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\bin\exefile.exe
This new file is the true exe for eve and is the file attempting to communicate with the EVE servers.
If you have more then just the windows firewall (such as a Norton specific one as part of a anti virus and internet security package like me ) you need to allow this file through the firewall or eve will always fail to communicate with the servers...
Just my 2 cents... probably sure this is not the only issue preventing some of the connections... but it sure was for me ...so I thought I'd share it here ...  The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |

Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:09:00 -
[409]
Edited by: Kerushi on 03/03/2006 14:10:30 now i`m pritty had it for today...
kisogo: sell item from hanger - fails try to undock - fails show info on items/ppl - fails alt: warp to gate - fails alt: relog, try to login at char selection - fails edit: i relog in station - fails
chars: Kerushi & John Tasker
everything else works so no connection issue kieron, when u see oveur, give him a kick and tell him he can return the favor when it`s fixed  ________________ I don't DO graphics, here's a sig anyway, wubwoo - Cortes lol thanks :-) |

Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:13:00 -
[410]
All chatlogs are gone. ------ Ö Ship lover
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:17:00 -
[411]
chat from various corp members is not showing up. funny when your on ts and some corp members can see it and others can't. Its selective too.
Also I'm stuck with like 15 people at a gate in gensela atm. the gate to shera doesn't work and logging in and out doesn't help.. time for a reboot of those hamsters CCP.
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ponieus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:23:00 -
[412]
the "wanna-be" fix for the windows during jumps and stuff does not work.
FYI
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Colonel O'Neill
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:34:00 -
[413]
Edited by: Colonel O''Neill on 03/03/2006 14:34:33
Originally by: ponieus the "wanna-be" fix for the windows during jumps and stuff does not work.
FYI
The solution that works was found in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=302392&page=1
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Professor Smartypants
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:44:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Celestus Edited by: Celestus on 03/03/2006 14:07:26 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the time i enter a station, jump a gate! a pop up with market appears and also my char window!!! Please help...and the petition doesn t work! thank you
ps.the solution given up the page doesn t work!!
Close all your windows then go to the Esc menu: Go to reset settings tab. Click on the reset windows position button (sorry not in game at the moment so can't tell you exactly what it is called). RELOG.
Everything works fine and dandy again. No need to delete your settings or anything.
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Schroni
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:00:00 -
[415]
dunno if this has been posted, couldn't be bothered to read thru the whole thread.
Belts and Stations are not Showing up on the HUD. The old fix with opening the map doesn't fix it.  ---
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Olsen'Kra
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:03:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Schroni dunno if this has been posted, couldn't be bothered to read thru the whole thread.
Belts and Stations are not Showing up on the HUD. The old fix with opening the map doesn't fix it. 
Yea :( for now tho, they show up if you press the ALT key. As do stations, sentry guns, and other celestial bodies.
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:07:00 -
[417]
Since patching, eve has consistently closed all the channels I'm in (bar corp/alliance) and not remembered to reopen them after I log back in.
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CopyCatz
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:14:00 -
[418]
Can't rename a freight container after I put them in my Charon.
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Issalzul
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:36:00 -
[419]
Getting the bug with station containers here. More than one stack of items, poof. Auto-lock.
Still, AWESOME feature. ^^
Apart from that, no real problem here yet.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:37:00 -
[420]
Deleted full cache folder, sorted settings again, undocked and had assets, evemails, market AND NOW JOURNAL open  ------ Ö Ship lover
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Sku1ly
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:54:00 -
[421]
Still can't connect.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:00:00 -
[422]
Custom channels are not remembered anymore, I have to manually "join" them every time I log in.
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Gronslick
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:04:00 -
[423]
1. Low-grades slave iplants have still not been fixed... my gamma is still fubar... 2. Moving drones from cargo bay to drone bay, while accesing a carrier does not work anymore...
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Tul 'Kas
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:05:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Custom channels are not remembered anymore, I have to manually "join" them every time I log in.
Same thing here. Though it did remember about half of them the very first time I logged in after patching. Hasn't remembered any of them on any login since.
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ponieus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:07:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Colonel O'Neill Edited by: Colonel O''Neill on 03/03/2006 14:34:33
Originally by: ponieus the "wanna-be" fix for the windows during jumps and stuff does not work.
FYI
The solution that works was found in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=302392&page=1
yep tried them both and still the market window wants to **** me offf..  
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Tenuchi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:11:00 -
[426]
Edited by: Tenuchi on 03/03/2006 16:12:18 I can't get in game with this character. The char begins to load but then instead of getting my station info as she loads, I get a "failed" message and returned to char selection. The other char's on the account work fine.
Edit: wrong character. The character having problems is Negari Techamushi
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Ashunto Derenga
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:26:00 -
[427]
Originally by: kieron
Originally by: MainframeCN Ever thought about testing before implementing changes?
Yes, we actually did, even ran some tests on the patch before deploying it. However, think about this. All the testing on Singularity by the QA team *and* players for the new Bloodlines went fine. The code was imported over to Tranquility, and a skill table was not properly populated.
Why, you might ask? Simply because there is no way to completely mirror the TQ code over to Sisi, nor is there a way to duplicate the server load TQ has on a daily basis over to Sisi. Test clients and builds interact differently between the two servers, and there is little that we can do to prevent this.
Next time, please take into consideration all the facts before posting out of ignorance.
So,how comes Drones navigation computers are now broken despite the fact it has been bug-reported weeks ago, or why are drones in general still bugged (*cough* return to dronebay at a crawl, loading drones from maintenance array ) ? Sure hasn¦t anything to do with server load 
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Ch'tok
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:35:00 -
[428]
Quote: 1. Low-grades slave iplants have still not been fixed...
How are LG Slave implants not working?
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Aeon Valerii
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Posted - 2006.03.03 17:01:00 -
[429]
Please do something about Forge. People are getting booted out of it every 10 mins (including myself).
It's unplayable. After 10 mins of trying I managed to undock and fly to another region (with a ctd in the middle).  ----- I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar. |

Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.03 17:53:00 -
[430]
The display for rats jamming you is borked... it gets stuck and just keeps running even after you blow the rat up... this again has not been QAed properly has it would just take one trial to see once jammed the display for jamming gets stuck above the UI and just shows you as jammed all the time...
No comment... bored to report new bugs introduced by suppose bug fixing patches
The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:04:00 -
[431]
You know its days like this, and threads like this, and general unplayability of the game; that makes me wonder why I pay for this service.....
Then I remembered I stoped auto pay a couple of months ago, and only pay per month...which ends tommorrow (thank god).
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
We are not ebil forum police, for one thing I don't have a hat :( - Cortes |

Gronslick
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:12:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Ch'tok
Quote: 1. Low-grades slave iplants have still not been fixed...
How are LG Slave implants not working?
My gamma does simply not work, I have petitioned it but was told it was a known bug...
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Slipknut
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:15:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Roshan longshot You know its days like this, and threads like this, and general unplayability of the game; that makes me wonder why I pay for this service.....
Then I remembered I stoped auto pay a couple of months ago, and only pay per month...which ends tommorrow (thank god).
So your leaving? Can I have your stuff? 
Oh, and on topic, it's taking me between 30 seconds and 1 minute to open a cargo container, then another 30 seconds too a minute to move the contents to my cargo. Is this a bug or is it me?
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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:20:00 -
[434]
Originally by: Tul 'Kas
Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Custom channels are not remembered anymore, I have to manually "join" them every time I log in.
Same thing here. Though it did remember about half of them the very first time I logged in after patching. Hasn't remembered any of them on any login since.
Ditto, this is HIGHLY annoying. Fix ASAP please.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:26:00 -
[435]
This patch feels like rollback to pre-hardware-update lag.
Loading system...waiting. Dewarping at gate...hanging in space waiting for gate surroundings to load. Docking at station...hanging in space waiting for ship to commence approach. Speaking to agent...waiting for dialogue box to load. Checking wallet...waiting for wallet contents to load.
Etc.
The thing is, my framerate does not drop. EVE still plays smooth, it's just that every time I try to do something, the game carries on in pretty screensaver mode while a Dev licks a stamp and snail-mails the results of my request to my postal address.
I am really hoping this is just a chunk of my cache getting wiped with the patch.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:31:00 -
[436]
And now I am in Yona, watching my ship dewarp, approach gate, dewarp, approach gate, etc Groundhog Day style. The monotony is borken up somewhat by the fact that some of the dewarps are performed backwards from an overshot point beyond the gate. But it's nice to see the cans are yellow when they finally load. 
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Aliza Snow
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:32:00 -
[437]
I've been trying to login for something like 20 minutes now, I've gotten as far as "setup station: kisogo vii - state war academy school" and it's just sitting there. 
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:44:00 -
[438]
I'm experiencing server/network lag issues with a new bloodline alt in Hulm. Overview is completely blank in space (for minutes after I've undocked). Warping to gates gives the once-familiar yo-you effect. "Approaching stargate. Approaching stargate. Approaching stargate." All windows are lagged as laggy things.
Weirdly the client itself is very smooth. It's just any interaction with the servers that is haphazard.
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Cassius Wagabond
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Posted - 2006.03.03 18:59:00 -
[439]
/signed Laggy as h*** everywhere, im living in north 0.0
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xPreatorianx
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:01:00 -
[440]
Yea .0 is also fubared I cant npc or do anything so logged off awaiting a reboot or hotfix! There is terrible lag through out all of eve CCP can u please fix this?!
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:04:00 -
[441]
yeyyyy you fixed the map, thanks! ------------- My Video: Start wearing purple while being very nasty |

Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:08:00 -
[442]
Originally by: Colonel O'Neill
Originally by: ponieus the "wanna-be" fix for the windows during jumps and stuff does not work.
The solution that works was found in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=302392&page=1
That's not a complete fix for the problem.
If I return to my previous merged cargo hold and container setup they will still pop open automatically no matter what I do.
This issue requires a proper code fix by CCP.
Originally by: Professor Smartypants Close all your windows then go to the Esc menu: Go to reset settings tab. Click on the reset windows position button (sorry not in game at the moment so can't tell you exactly what it is called). RELOG.
Everything works fine and dandy again. No need to delete your settings or anything.
No, that doesn't fix the problem either for me.
Originally by: Issalzul Getting the bug with station containers here. More than one stack of items, poof. Auto-lock.
Confirmed.
Originally by: CopyCatz Can't rename a ... container after I put them in my [active ship].
Confirmed.
Here's some more for you:-
- Accidentally pressed "Reset to default windows colors" in the Options. Now, although I have changed the Window's Color "Presets" back to "Cool Grey", all windows' title bars remain reddish in color.
- "Enter items into escrow" interface is borked. Text input fields do not have field backgrounds and the tab focus hierarchy has been totally lost.
- Highlighting that's identifies selected commands in right-click context menus no longer works.
- Highlighting that identifies when merge of windows is possible no longer works.
I'll post more as I find them.
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c0rn1
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:15:00 -
[443]
bugs I experience at the moment: - character sheet opens after jump/undock (workaround worked for me) - when reloading my projectile guns, and I had ammo in it with smaller volume, it won't reload ammo by rightclick-menu with larger ammo but leaves the gun empty and I have to drag and drop the new ammo. if the size was larger before, it only reloads the number of larger ammo I had before and doesnt fill max volume, so I have to reload the guns again after it. - Immense Desynchronization between server/client I warp somewhere and when the client shows me I am within jump/docking range and out of warp I get an error when I try to jump/dock that I am either out of range, or still in warp. So the server has me still in warp but the visuals on client side are ahead of the server. Just affects certain systems (no, it's not my ISP 100%, because alot of my corp members experience it also) - random CTDs which never happened before. I gonna try to figure out if this just has random causes or if there is a logical reason for it - a random note: almost everything which worked really spiffy, like wallet, market is very slow again.
Thank you for your time reading this.
Vote: rollback x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
Life's a waste of time ...
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:38:00 -
[444]
My whole screenshot and chatlog folders got emptied with the patch. Great work for destroying work of weeks. ------ Ö Ship lover
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1st of5
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:44:00 -
[445]
Edited by: 1st of5 on 03/03/2006 19:45:21
DRONES!!
how am i supposed to load drones in my drone bay when at the POS??? CCP killed the short cut to open drone bay but forgot to put the new button in woopsie so now i cant load drones up at the pos what am i supposed to do go to empire everytime i want to replace destryed drones or stop flying gallente pls fix that asap its a major mess up

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KaiH
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:46:00 -
[446]
Can not enter game at all now.
"Entering game as..."
Stuck.
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Juwi Kotch
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:47:00 -
[447]
It's messed up. Was just thrown out of game, can't reenter now, because the system I'm in (Villore) is reported to be loading - at prime time and for 15 minutes now.
Had the gump appearing bug as well, and shortly before I was thrown out the game simply didn't react anymore to my commands.
I'd say, deactivate the Bloodline patch, work on it, and try it again. Right now it simply doesn't work.
Juwi
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:50:00 -
[448]
Yup looks like a fine mess again ... oh no wait we're not meant to complain its ONLY been 24 hrs since the patch... we still have to wait for 2 hotfixes and a patch for the patch... Devs can you start sensing our exasperation ???
I mean hardware upgrade was spiffey ... can't say a thing about that ... it was all good within one-two days of balancing ... and now you patch this and it looks like all the good work put into the hardware upgrade is being killed by the poor QA once again demonstrated on this patch...
How hard is it to ensure that the cde you release is at least free of major bugs ???
has it come to that point where your programmers don't even know their code anymore and the implications of one change here on other aspects of the code in other areas ?
Its frustrating for the player base... and for the record I thought your wisdom had made you agree on Tuesday patch days ONLY so as to be able to patch the patch and sort it out before the week end ? so why deploy on a thursday again ? As it looks the week end is going to be messy again in the eve universe...
Why is it that you forget every sensible thing you learn about patch deployement after 2 patches... its beyond me and it equals to only one thing ... frustration with the whole lot of you...  The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |

Xune
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Posted - 2006.03.03 19:51:00 -
[449]
Your character is located within (New Caldari), which is currently loading. Please try again in a moment.
Since 1 hour... cool.................
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Archangel Deck
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:08:00 -
[450]
Ya why was the patch released on a thurdays, in all ur patch release big or small i can only count on 1 hand how many havent had any major bugs
Now its the weekend and we are all screwd _____________________________
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:11:00 -
[451]
For the first time I am really hoping for a rollback. The patch fixes aren't working anyway so nothing is lost. With weekend upon us this looks like a disaster in the making.
And yes, I can't log back in the game atm.

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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:11:00 -
[452]
Laggy to the point of dropping out, both in molden and in the noob cald hub dont know what it was called thou. ----------------------------------------------
This signature is 400x120 pixels and 23.257 bytes. Happy now? Actually it's 21793 bytes, but anyway, we're ecstatic - dah mods |

hashishi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:18:00 -
[453]
Edited by: hashishi on 03/03/2006 20:18:35 This is all known by CCP now based upon all the petitions, and posts here but only get poor GM response like Clear your cache or Server Load is balancing. I cleared my cache constantly for 2 days now.
Balancing? (for hours?) now FINALLY travel advisories, 2-3 hours later then they probably should have been.
Just rollback or reboot or hotfix, but pls no more rediculous GM responses.
Be nice to know WHAT exactly the dev's are doing via an offical post.
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ZegTheBrick
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:21:00 -
[454]
Yes its laggy.
For an actual problem: for some reason custom channels are failing to open automatically when entering the game. Only logged in twice so far, so can't say if its every time, but I suspect its something to do with all the other window bugs around.
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Futher Bezluden
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:29:00 -
[455]
2006.03.03 20:26:08 notify Traffic Advisory: Officials have closed the stargates and undocking ramps in every system because the lag generated by calculating for every system as to whether or not a traffic advisory is necessary screwed everything up. Travellers are advised to kick the guy who thought traffic advisory system was a good idea.
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:29:00 -
[456]
Is it to late to rethink the gate queue, system lockout thingy? Cause it might be bugged.
So basically from what I understand: If the system is full (its not btw) you will not let anyone in or out or undock/dock? Do we get a nifty gate spell to get out then? If we do can I get a summon spell for cookies and cake?
Why do I care if a 0.0 system 38 jumps from me is closing the gates? And if B.O.B. has to reroute thru the before mentioned system will you then reopen the before mentioned system? They do PVP after all.
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my calls.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:32:00 -
[457]
please, just think of the kittens
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:33:00 -
[458]
Originally by: HippoKing please, just think of the kittens
I like cookies better...
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my calls.
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:45:00 -
[459]
Anyone else annoyed when you jump windows that you have closed just pop open?
It was nice to see when i logged in that i was in none of my regular chat channels.
Oh yeah, its lagged to ****.
Fix it soon please, id like to play
Those who can, do; Those who cant, teach |

Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:47:00 -
[460]
every time I log on all my "non-compulsory" chats close :/ help --- 400x120@24000 bytes Maximum please. -Capsicum would you like some cheese with that whine? - Shinnen
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pardux
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:55:00 -
[461]
Originally by: Shinnen every time I log on all my "non-compulsory" chats close :/ help
=/ same for me
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.03 20:57:00 -
[462]
Originally by: kieron A server hotfix has been applied during the server reboot that occured at approximately 1645 EVE time. This hotfix addresses the issue of windows opening (Market, People & Places, Journal, etc.) after a session change (undocking, jumping).
Uh, no thats not fixed even with deleting my EVE cache.
Also, aren't we all owed at least an offical post by now as to what the hell is going on?
Screw the new bloodlines, revert the patch, whatever needs to be done, and let some of us have a playable game this weekend.
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Anti AntiPirate
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:00:00 -
[463]
Game is so lagged now I can't even log in. I have less than 24 hours left on my trial. I would like to be able to use them.
To me it seems to be a load balancing problem. Systems with very few people in them are getting almost zero CPU allocation.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:18:00 -
[464]
Originally by: KaiH Can not enter game at all now.
"Entering game as..."
Stuck.
same here. been in that window for 10 minutes now.
And i'm docked at VNGJ ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Duan Quay
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:19:00 -
[465]
Empire Earth 2 ftw till they fix this laggy crap
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Michael Snark
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:19:00 -
[466]
Yep... I'm stuck between Beltole and Aufay gates almost half an hour ago... and can't log back again :(
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:21:00 -
[467]
Hey, what's up with the lag anyway? --------------- VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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Minnow maught
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:28:00 -
[468]
Stuck at gate .... tried to relog, now im getting entering game as .....
:(
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Tio Key
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:33:00 -
[469]
LAAAAGS LAAAGS LAAAAAGS
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:34:00 -
[470]
it seem people in my corp and myself are getting odd bugs.
for me my people and places opens up when ever i dock undock and stargate to a new system.
others has the same problem its just a different thing like scanner keeps opening, corp window closes, or worst market window keeps opening.
i dot care about the lag as much as these very odd problems.
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De Geck
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:35:00 -
[471]
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that these problems have something to do with the photos of Lindsay Lohan's bood popping out of her dress at an event two nights ago.
That timing can't just be coincidence...
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:36:00 -
[472]
Originally by: Oventoasted it seem people in my corp and myself are getting odd bugs.
for me my people and places opens up when ever i dock undock and stargate to a new system.
others has the same problem its just a different thing like scanner keeps opening, corp window closes, or worst market window keeps opening.
i dot care about the lag as much as these very odd problems.
Well Kieron stated in the Blodlines Issue Sticky that the hotfix at 1645 (or wbenever) fixed these issues you name, too bad it DID NOT, and clearing cache doesn't help for many people either.
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:38:00 -
[473]
Originally by: De Geck Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that these problems have something to do with the photos of Lindsay Lohan's bood popping out of her dress at an event two nights ago.
That timing can't just be coincidence...
I think it actually threw off the entire time-space continuum. 
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Judas Jones
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:39:00 -
[474]
Fecking GRAVEYARD
My new character is 'stuck' in lag hell also known as Kisogo, took some considerable time to get in, after multiple failers, am sitting at Jita gate, I see a half dozen people here with me, were all hanging in mid air!
This would be funny, if I could just get the lag going less enough to change the skill 
This would be an ebil pirates wet dream, all these ships stuck, suspended in mid air like this, podders dream
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Ms Freak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:39:00 -
[475]
Considering we have just had a completely new room full of super hamsters (kindly provided courtisy of the over-plugged IBM BLADE SERVER) isn't it about time we got to play EVE without having to open a Can 15 times from 300m away and maybe just maybe be able to go to Jita without getting botted cos 400 people got there already??
New hamsters FTW !!
(I haven't got any kitten linkage i'm affraid )
EDIT: Moved from own thread :\
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eleuthereus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:39:00 -
[476]
Eve is now unplayable for me and has been that way since blood patch. My initial char eleuthereus seems fine. But my two new blood accounts are completely unplayable.
1. cannot log in 2. if I can log in, gets stuck at "Select or Create Character" screen, seems to load, but after screen goes black, it pops up again as if I have not chosen a char. 3. if I can log, and I actually do somehow manage to choose char and get in station, then these problems screw game-play.
- cannot train skill - wallet reads 0 - cannot make ship active (one of my new blood chars has been sitting in his poor pod since this morning) - cannot use stargates in deadspace training complexes - ship (on th other blood char that actually got into a ship) is unresponsive. - Lag so extreme that I timed 5 minutes between command and execution - multiple disconnects (too many to now count)
ahhhh well, here I sit $80 poorer and no game to play.
Ohh, also, I gave 45,000ISK to a locator agent to tell me that a certain "event" agent was in a station. So I go to the station, and what do ya know, no such agent is listed in agent window wither under "Available to You" or "Not Available to You." CCPs answer: Sorry, we can't refund your 45,000 ISK. We don't know why you can't see the agent, which according to our database should be in the station.
hmmmm - ooookay.
eleuthereus
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Judas Jones
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:43:00 -
[477]
I just warped INTO Jita to escape the lag hell!!! Frying pan...fire anyone.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:45:00 -
[478]
So, im stuck yea? And i petition to get moved. And i get the bog standard bugger off GM reply to clear my cache, which id already done, along with all of the other tricks in the book.
But since im stuck, i cannot open my current petition, only start a new one. But hey, guess what - You can only have one petition in each category open at once!
Some good fcking service there.
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Michael Snark
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:49:00 -
[479]
Yea, logged back too. But client/server de-syncro still active :(
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tootsiewoowoo
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:50:00 -
[480]
oh well, to those of you who are stuck somewhere - at least you can get in the game. I have 2 new asian pilots I can't even start training cause I cannot connect to my new chars. Oh, I did just connect to my initial long-time char today, finally, but when I did, I found that all my chat channels were gone 0 including corp ones. hmmm. Houston we have a problem.
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:52:00 -
[481]
Well i was patient yesterday but this is a joke.. The joys of being stuck at a gate having jumped 5 mins ago.. we could at least have some official reason why this is happening ?  Get it sorted please !!!
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:55:00 -
[482]
After so much time, so many problems with so many characters in game today and lack of playability just about anywhere, countless posts and threads...
No I finally realize that CCP customer service is complete crap.
If the game isnt playing fine, SAY SO, tell us what you are doing about it. Don't run hide in the corner from the EVE community.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 21:56:00 -
[483]
..good thing I putted heavy drones 5 to training
10 days to go weeee! ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:01:00 -
[484]
Get your backside in gear CCP, this is just getting insane. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |

Kalbak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:02:00 -
[485]
New Caldari is the pit of hell. Login takes ages (if you even get in) and once in you can't do anything, then server kicks you off.
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Naruto Hunter
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:03:00 -
[486]
Should have specified it was a 4 day patch deployment.
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:06:00 -
[487]
"The Dev Team and Programmers are continuing to investigate the lag and ongoing server issues that are troubling Tranquility. They will continue their efforts throughout the weekend."
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Weekend ?? So this could be a downer for another couple days ?!
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1st of5
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:10:00 -
[488]
i just was thinking who was the genius that cam up with the idea of changing the drone loading. If it aint broke dont fix it.
can u say rollback ? This just blows Who Really cares? bloddlines its just a picture you customise it anyway it did fix minor tings but messed big time so now we have server that crshes and is unplayable cause of new pictures for character creation ?

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Kitty Sparks
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:10:00 -
[489]
No worries, I am sure that they could reduce the lag a lot by dividing the number of drones by 5! oh wait a minute...
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b1gs341
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:12:00 -
[490]
Whats the problem that causing so much lag. The only real content in the new patch was the bloodlines so its not like RMR =/
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Ordais
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:12:00 -
[491]
damn...what to say, i'm angry. Before RMR EvE was good to me, 3 stable clients running fine at the same time, nearly no lag (only large fleetbattles), i could live with it.
But since RMR everything goes down the drain...its enough, if you cant handle 20k+ ppl...DONT try to....i dont pay to play Betatester for this crap anymore, already started to use gametimecodes (isk) to pay eve...its not worth the RL-Money in this status...
There was a time when i was excited about new content...now i fear every patch you do...it only gets things worse and worse.
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1st of5
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:13:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Kitty Sparks No worries, I am sure that they could reduce the lag a lot by dividing the number of drones by 5! oh wait a minute...
hhahaha that was good yeah like lag from drones was the biggest problem btw can u get vexor and domi the old bonus back  gallente are supposed to be drone specialst now we are drone ..... smame as other guys
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death2nite
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:19:00 -
[493]
this blows.... i think you guys need to test your patches before you deploy them. looks like my weekend is shot to hell
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:25:00 -
[494]
Whatever algorithm is used by the new system to determine when to "shut" a gate needs serious work. It's closing gates when the destination system is hardly busy at all. Given that you don't know the gate is closed until you try to jump, this can be a kiss of death if you are running to a gate to escape from pursuers. Also an issue when your autopilot just shuts off at a closed gate leaving you hanging there.
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:25:00 -
[495]
Originally by: b1gs341 Whats the problem that causing so much lag. The only real content in the new patch was the bloodlines so its not like RMR =/
Problem is the code that breaks when unrelated stuff is coded. Also lack of thorough QA and just throwing things on the server. On Thursday no less
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Jinnarin
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:28:00 -
[496]
not being able to load drones into drone bay at a mantanance arrary the option is not there has this problem been posted yet many people i have talk to are having this problem as well 
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Esab
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:28:00 -
[497]
Im experiencing issues that I have not seen in over a year or more.... I really thought the new server upgrade was going to be the answer and for a few days I thought it had worked.
Why the hell do we need new blood?
Its hard enough to keep up with all the features being added as it is and I consider myself pretty hardcore
Please please please sort out all the problems before you introduce more features .I hate complaining but this is just getting daft now.
I have tried everything I can to make it easier for myself and hopefully others .... one thing I have done is abandoned my agent and moved elsewhere where it is a little quieter.
Ffs listen to the people paying good money and get things stable before adding more stuff. We know how good the game is and the majority will wait for the add ons to come once the bugs have been sorted.
Ive seen this game change so much and tbpfh id still play just as much if it was unchanged from when I started two years ago. And I bet im not the only one.
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Flax Volcanus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:34:00 -
[498]
Edited by: Flax Volcanus on 03/03/2006 22:43:41 The real ****er was having things going relatively well last night: Assuming that it would stay that way, I stupidly switched from my a long-term "patch deployment" skill to a short-term, new one, which is now done. Lost training time is absolutely the worst thing about these escapades... erm, patches. |

BlackKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:35:00 -
[499]
1) Serious Lag Issues 2) "Reload All" function still not working 3) Massive traffic alerts 4) Can't jump through gates 5) Attempts to reload weapons cycle over and over and never reload. 6) On the rare occasion that they do reload, you can fire, but your weapons do no damage to the NPC. Ammo volume does not decrease. 7) Today, the game locked for a split second, and then everything on the screen began running backwards (that's right! all the ship's near the gate were going backwards). It was like watching a movie in reverse. 8) Wallets flashing sporadically with no transactions being made. 9) Windows popping up (like market) when jumping through a gate or docking/undocking. 10) Ehhorbitant amount of time to log in. 11) Random disconnects and the player selection screen.
Best Regards.
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:37:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Flax Volcanus The real ****er was having things going relatively well last nigh: Assuming that it would stay that way, I switched from my long-term "patch deployment" skill to a short-term, new one, which is now done. Lost training time is absolutely the worst thing about these escapades... erm, patches.
Yesterday evening/night wasn't even 1/4 as bad as today all day has been. I was doing lvl 4 missions last night wth slight lag.
Thats a good question in itself... What made the servers/patch worse today?
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Gun Tso
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:38:00 -
[501]
ok, I think they know about the lag now, and they've said they're working on it. Can we move on?
Is there anything else that is annoying about this patch besides the stability issue? Yes.
The planet icons. They're everywhere and they're always on now. It's annoying. Please change it back to alt-key only. Thank you.
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:48:00 -
[502]
The server will be down at 23:11. They havent stated for how long.
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Kastar
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Posted - 2006.03.03 22:49:00 -
[503]
did someone mention that the "other" petition system is not working ?
Smart move to switch it of, only not that polite to players, as if it's not yet sucky enough
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:05:00 -
[504]
From K's post (top sticky) sounds like the server has a memory leak as well.. if thats the case then CCP PLEASE hire some good programmers.. lets face it the ones you have atm break more then they fix. we have already lost 6-7 members of out corp 6-7 more and me the ceo will be a tag team :( PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN Eris <3 Meh!
Me Need Sig.. |

Piesia
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:12:00 -
[505]
They should have bought the Intel blades ;) Anyway, its not a end of the world, give them a break. |

Vaernimus
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:32:00 -
[506]
Imagine an EVE online 'without' patches.
urgh.
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Tethis
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:47:00 -
[507]
i got a 63,629,817.03isk broker fee for no apparent reason. certainly never bought anything that would warrant that sort of fee. i took a screenie for future petition use
obviously cannot petition atm, so guess i'll wait. seems an odd amount to me though. http://img203.echo.cx/img203/8532/tethis7ut.jpg |

Carson Kain
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:52:00 -
[508]
Question for kieron
does this memory leak hapen on the users computer or within CCPs server??
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starsky cake
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:58:00 -
[509]
what a joke!! if my phone company did this i would change to another! get a grip chaps ! sod the bloody new bloodlines it was sweet after the last patch you seemed to nail it there, roll it all back and sort it out, if theres any more of this i will be moving on to nuther game you need to shake a leg to keep up with the big boys ffs
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David Hope
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:00:00 -
[510]
I transferred some minerals and bpos to a corpmate. They accidentally cancelled the trade while items were in the trade window.
Every single cancelled item disappeared. They are not in my hangar, not my corpmate's hangar. This was about six hours ago now. They have not reappeared after logging, clearing cache, changing computer etc.
I have petitioned it. Has anyone else hit this? If so, be extremely cautious when you trade.
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Dezzereth
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:04:00 -
[511]
Travel advisory notifications are driving me mad, aside from the fact that the system itself it is completely dangerous when travelling in lowsec or 0.0. Remove ASAP!
Give us back the Asteroid Field Symbols
The Font still is bad.... The Font still is bad... The Font still is bad... The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...The Font still is bad...
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Dezzereth
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:06:00 -
[512]
Edited by: Dezzereth on 04/03/2006 00:06:21 Doublepost after a server error 4tl
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starsky cake
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:09:00 -
[513]
bout time you listened to your wage suppliers! give us some time back or something {free isk for teh win)this cant go on surely, at least explain in full
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Christian Xelas
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:13:00 -
[514]
Well the server situation is a complete joke, shut it down and fix and dont bother bringing it back up untill your sure you have fixed it, people are losing ISK,ships and patience.
And to have a serverside memory leak crop up on live code is not good...sure you guys tested this out properly.. it looks rushed to me?
As a customer I'm very disappointed.
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Veriane
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:18:00 -
[515]
Somebody forgot to say the proper incantations to keep Mr Murphy at bay.

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The Hat
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Posted - 2006.03.04 00:19:00 -
[516]
longing to play, but sleepy, very sleepy, even more sleepy, going to bed, dream of eve, night night.
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Dajjal
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Posted - 2006.03.04 01:19:00 -
[517]
each time i login i lose all the channels i was in excpet the obvious corp and alliance ones
flicked through post previous but 18 pages is a lot :/
is there a fix or is it a bug?
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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.03.04 01:49:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Dajjal each time i login i lose all the channels i was in excpet the obvious corp and alliance ones
flicked through post previous but 18 pages is a lot :/
is there a fix or is it a bug?
Their fault, maybe we'll see a fix this century.
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Sophia Germain
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Posted - 2006.03.04 02:13:00 -
[519]
Trying to log into the game, I get as far as character selection. When I choose my character there, I get a message "FAILED". Have tried logging in dozens of times, always the same result :/
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Hime Kaizoku
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Posted - 2006.03.04 02:15:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Sophia Germain Trying to log into the game, I get as far as character selection. When I choose my character there, I get a message "FAILED". Have tried logging in dozens of times, always the same result :/
Same here, now my entire acount can't get past the character select screen. I'm also due for a skill change. 
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Topology
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Posted - 2006.03.04 02:58:00 -
[521]
The jump gate bug, where you couldn't jump until after a few seconds after warp, is now fixed it seems. Thanks for that.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.03.04 06:39:00 -
[522]
One issue as far as I am concerned, apart from the lag which will be fixed:
POS & Drones
You used to be able to open your drone bay and add drones to your drone bay from cargo while in a ship maintenance array. Now you can't.
Also, shortcut for drone bay has been removed. This is daft, and has made POS's useless for Dominix pilots.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.03.04 06:47:00 -
[523]
Well, the drone bay reload thing is a MAJOR problem for those of us who live primarily from POSes and are Gallente ship pilots or miners.
If you cannot fix the "Move to Drone Bay" option for drones in your cargohold then for the love of God, at least let us open our drones bays again temporarily via a hot-key until you get this fixed please.
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masie may
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Posted - 2006.03.04 07:25:00 -
[524]
This patch has introduced more "issues" than any other that i can remember.
I am setting a 30 day skill, and playing something else. This game has become unplayable.
I am sure CCP will fix it, but for the time being I am looking for another game to play.
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 08:38:00 -
[525]
One more issue: Agression coutdown timer resets to full on various things, for example undocking from station. Example, doing Mission I, have to kill Sanshas, get Agression Countdown cs. True Power. Collect loot, dock. Before undock Counter was down to below 1m. After undock it is back to 15m. After mission II (unauthorized military pressence) where i have to kill Minmatar fleet, The counter vs. republic fleet is 12m, True Power 13m ?!
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 09:25:00 -
[526]
forum also broken? When i edit my post, i get the message "Thread does not exist" - but the post is changed?
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Concorde Rules
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Posted - 2006.03.04 09:51:00 -
[527]
Originally by: A Brr forum also broken? When i edit my post, i get the message "Thread does not exist" - but the post is changed?
Its broken, lets leave it at that :(
2nd week playing and TBH, this ISNT making me pay up for more. How about CCP should give 2 days free for what they have messed up, its called PR and it would secure my next payment. As it stands, Im not.
Conc
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Vaernimus
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Posted - 2006.03.04 10:25:00 -
[528]
Can no longer enter the game with any characters. Each attempt fails. Can connect to the server itself ok - but can't get past the 'select character' screen.
Any ideas? I've dumped my cache to try to resolve it but no joy.
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space fox
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:21:00 -
[529]
This new traffic warden thing looks explotiable, whats stopping a whole allince decendign on jita and killing the sytem? 
Just my ú0.02
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:27:00 -
[530]
Originally by: Concorde Rules
Originally by: A Brr forum also broken? When i edit my post, i get the message "Thread does not exist" - but the post is changed?
Its broken, lets leave it at that :(
2nd week playing and TBH, this ISNT making me pay up for more. How about CCP should give 2 days free for what they have messed up, its called PR and it would secure my next payment. As it stands, Im not.
Conc
don't get like that. these post-patch issues usually happen allot.
..heck Blood patch deployment is starting to look allot like Castor patch deployment lol ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:47:00 -
[531]
Not direct related to this patch, but still anoying: When docking at a station and opening the corp hangar, always hangar 1 opens first, after the hangar has loaded, the last opened hangars loads. Skip that loading of hangar 1, opening corp hangars is low enough, no need for doing it with 2 different hangars.
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Fantome
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:49:00 -
[532]
Short cut key to open drones's bay work in station BUT not in space. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |

Fantome
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:52:00 -
[533]
Originally by: Carson Kain Question for kieron
does this memory leak hapen on the users computer or within CCPs server??
Both, users computer's memory leack is not new.. server one is new and bring this lag fest. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:55:00 -
[534]
mmm the memory leak will be tweaked for a week or so until its reduced - did they fix the client side one and transfer it to the server ? That said things run reasonably well if yourei n a quite system might encourage more even dispersal and thats not a bad thing CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

SinBin
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:55:00 -
[535]
Originally by: David Hope I transferred some minerals and bpos to a corpmate. They accidentally cancelled the trade while items were in the trade window.
Every single cancelled item disappeared. They are not in my hangar, not my corpmate's hangar. This was about six hours ago now. They have not reappeared after logging, clearing cache, changing computer etc.
I have petitioned it. Has anyone else hit this? If so, be extremely cautious when you trade.
Yes & from the other petion the items got returned, ill mail ingame also as its a scary 1. _______________________________________
Ill Shutup when CCP remove bookmarks |

Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:56:00 -
[536]
Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: David Hope I transferred some minerals and bpos to a corpmate. They accidentally cancelled the trade while items were in the trade window.
Every single cancelled item disappeared. They are not in my hangar, not my corpmate's hangar. This was about six hours ago now. They have not reappeared after logging, clearing cache, changing computer etc.
I have petitioned it. Has anyone else hit this? If so, be extremely cautious when you trade.
Yes & from the other petion the items got returned, ill mail ingame also as its a scary 1.
known issue - should be fixed by this hotfix tonight along with a lot of other things. CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Cloudcobra
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:56:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Fantome Short cut key to open drones's bay work in station BUT not in space.
From the Patch Notes:
- Drone bays are no longer accessible in space via a keyboard shortcut.
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Fantome
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Posted - 2006.03.04 11:59:00 -
[538]
Originally by: Cloudcobra
Originally by: Fantome Short cut key to open drones's bay work in station BUT not in space.
From the Patch Notes:
- Drone bays are no longer accessible in space via a keyboard shortcut.
Damn my bad, Thx Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum. |

A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:15:00 -
[539]
Server still starting up, so one more: When rightclicking a BP in a corp-hangar for the first time after a session change the popup menue takes about 15..30s to show up. Steps to reproduce: 1 Get a session change (eg. dock at the station, log in) 2 Open the corp hangar and wait a long time (see above)until it has loaded 3 Right klick on a BP in the corp hangar, count the seconds until the pop-up window shows up
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Akhual
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:28:00 -
[540]
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the new traffic reports appear to be interfering with autopilot.
I set autopilot to a system a simple 8 jumps away, and again and again it refused to let me go bacause one system on report was reported to be having problems.
So, I simply jumped manually, and arrived at my destination with no problems (every system on the route was empty).
To test, I went back to my start system and reset the autopilot - and agian it said one system on the route was blcoked and thus autopilot could not be used.
I set the autopilot for one system shorter than the destination (ie, set the destination for the system before my goal) and it worked fine. It was simply the last system it did not like.
Just to repeat - manually jumping into that system was fine - and it was completley empty when i got there.
I won't name the system here for security reasons (I don't like people knowing where I am without paying lol!). If system name is needed let me know and I'll post it under 'my questions'.
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 12:35:00 -
[541]
Edited by: A Brr on 04/03/2006 12:36:44 CCP Valar explained here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=302502&page=3 how the travel warning system works, and why there are issues with it atm.
Originally by: Akhual Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the new traffic reports appear to be interfering with autopilot.
I set autopilot to a system a simple 8 jumps away, and again and again it refused to let me go bacause one system on report was reported to be having problems.
So, I simply jumped manually, and arrived at my destination with no problems (every system on the route was empty).
To test, I went back to my start system and reset the autopilot - and agian it said one system on the route was blcoked and thus autopilot could not be used.
I set the autopilot for one system shorter than the destination (ie, set the destination for the system before my goal) and it worked fine. It was simply the last system it did not like.
Just to repeat - manually jumping into that system was fine - and it was completley empty when i got there.
I won't name the system here for security reasons (I don't like people knowing where I am without paying lol!). If system name is needed let me know and I'll post it under 'my questions'.
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R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2006.03.04 13:35:00 -
[542]
Drones since bloodlines = 10 THUMBS UP!!
Thanks for listening and modifying the code
Luv ya for it ___________________________________________ R3dSh1ft, I want the same thing as every other player in EVE; fame and fortune |

A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 14:08:00 -
[543]
Return to drohnebay still doesn't work for Vespa II and a Raven. From 5 drohne most of the time only 4 make it to the drohnebay, sometimes only 3 of 5 manage to get in.
Originally by: R3dSh1ft Drones since bloodlines = 10 THUMBS UP!!
Thanks for listening and modifying the code
Luv ya for it
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R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2006.03.04 14:46:00 -
[544]
Originally by: A Brr Return to drohnebay still doesn't work for Vespa II and a Raven. From 5 drohne most of the time only 4 make it to the drohnebay, sometimes only 3 of 5 manage to get in.
Originally by: R3dSh1ft Drones since bloodlines = 10 THUMBS UP!!
Thanks for listening and modifying the code
Luv ya for it
Absolutely, yes that is true
but that is only a niggling problem
the fact that now drones only attack when you tell them to is just so much better than the previous "5 of us target 5 random enemy ships just for fun" approach, dont you think? ___________________________________________ R3dSh1ft, I want the same thing as every other player in EVE; fame and fortune |

lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.04 16:14:00 -
[545]
concord blasting you for killing rats ?!!
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Voltron
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Posted - 2006.03.04 16:29:00 -
[546]
New caldari and Niyabainen are pooched......don't even want to think about whats going on in Jita or Oursulaert.
volt
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.03.04 16:36:00 -
[547]
oops forgot bout this thread 
Well thought it was just a mistake on my part warping to a pos whe i thought i had clciked to warp to a gate from the icons in space. (i survived; but rift torps HURT a battleship :S)
The i learned that one of my corpmates had done it just after the patch in an int (and also escaped)
Then, another guy tells me he did this this morning, same situation. As we were discussiong this another corpmate in a vaga ends up at a pos (the same one? Maybe..) Luckily, he again gets away. Now.. this seems just too much of a coincidence. before Blood i never EVER heard of anybody doing that witout actually wanting to warp to a moon. What changed?
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran |

babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.04 17:03:00 -
[548]
Another minor irritation: you took out the alternative program icons. I used one for each account. Now they all look the same on my desktop .
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JrLUK
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Posted - 2006.03.04 17:59:00 -
[549]
Edited by: JrLUK on 04/03/2006 18:03:45 What the frig is going on arround jita ??? gates are closed and open after 10 mins of waiting to jump... along with 30 others ... Constantly getting chucked from the server.. This is really getting out of hand but we still arent getting regular updates from the guys at the top... Take it offline and fix it if its going to keep doing this! Its better to continue with it fixed than play and risk losing assets/ships.
SORT IT OUT FCOL...   
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:16:00 -
[550]
Originally by: Voltron New caldari and Niyabainen are pooched......don't even want to think about whats going on in Jita or Oursulaert.
oursulaert is extremely lagged, I sat 5 minutes waiting to dock and it didn't even load the other people outside the station so I tried to relog and it got stuck on entering game. logged in my alt in jita which loaded at the normal speed, but local is full of people complaining about gates being stuck. I still can't log into my main in oursulaert.
------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel macro miner killboard: www.anti-macro.com |
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Snowpig
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:23:00 -
[551]
The systems around Hakonen too. Looks like the cluster is running out of memory :(
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DeadRow
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:30:00 -
[552]
cant log on into niyab :(
Originally by: Eris Discordia TAKE COVER, HIDE YOUR SIGNATURE
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:39:00 -
[553]
Has nayone looked at the graph of server activity on http://www.evenews.com/ ???
The look of that curve shows the severity of the lag and node drops... its so unstable that smooth curve looks more like the back of a crocodile...
Something needs to be done CCp...like now !!! The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |

Brael Wenn
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:41:00 -
[554]
Ours is pretty muchly locked up right now. People can't log in, and people can't do anything in the system. Been this week since abotu 17:50-18:00 GMT. People outside the system are also reporting chat bugs, crash bugs, interface bugs, the same sort of stuff we saw yesterday.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:42:00 -
[555]
I think the devs are probably working on fixing the problem. It's a bit like beta 6 .
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:52:00 -
[556]
My 2nd char is getting logged out ever 30 mins, with out fail, and the ap keeps turning off at every stargate. ----------------------------------------------
This signature is 400x120 pixels and 23.257 bytes. Happy now? Actually it's 21793 bytes, but anyway, we're ecstatic - dah mods |

Jay Phor
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:55:00 -
[557]
new GTC for 2nd account? hell no, the current state of gameplay deserve no more €. Gratz CCP
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
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Posted - 2006.03.04 18:56:00 -
[558]
Since a mod suggested to post isssues here, here is the summary of my post-patch issues.
That, and two days of failed logins of all sorts. Which seems to have been fixed for the moment, or is gone only because I was lucky enough to be able to log in and leave the system. Who knows.
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Exioce
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:00:00 -
[559]
reboot please, stuck in Oursulaert.
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Darth Karl
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:04:00 -
[560]
I got disconnected several times today and now I can't get back on... it's been over an hour now. It hangs at entering game as <name>.
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Farscape Hw
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:04:00 -
[561]
i was stuck in sobasaki for about 20 mins. finally got to jita, was stuck in jita for about 20 more mins, finally jumped into new caldari. now ive been in new caldari for about 1 hour. cannot log back in...
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Salyd Kanisu
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:11:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Darth Karl I got disconnected several times today and now I can't get back on... it's been over an hour now. It hangs at entering game as <name>.
No disconnects for me, but so much lag I thought to reconnect, and now I'm stuck at the same point.. I wouldn't care, but I need to change my skill in training or lose one night's worth of time :(
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Morvana
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:20:00 -
[563]
My new bloodline character cant logon but my slightly older alt non bloodline character can. Anyone else finding this?
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Levi Calthian
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:22:00 -
[564]
The people & places will not load any bookmarks for me. I have rebooted, relogged, and cleared cache, but it sill won't load my people and places bookmarks. Therefore I can't do any missions.
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:32:00 -
[565]
Can't log in noob toon in Kisogo.. /me cries buckets.
If this persists with there be a P^2 refund promotion?
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my calls.
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Gess
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:32:00 -
[566]
I've been stuck in New Caldari for over an hour now. Can we please get a reboot yet today?
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:38:00 -
[567]
Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 04/03/2006 19:39:27 Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 04/03/2006 19:38:48 Gotta love patchweek 
CCP, do us all a favor...
1st better quality control, 2nd better quality contro... no wait that was number 1 as well... Anyways, u get the picture, oh and, delivering 'free' content patches is not a good excuse for botching them up.
Oh well u got a free radio with ur brandspanking new car but u will have to come back to the shop 10 times to fix the damn radio... or evn worse, that radio messes with ur engine so ur car won't start 
Anyways, now let me log in into my alt in perimiter and lemme switch my GD skill allready!!!
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Dakath
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:41:00 -
[568]
Thanks for NOTHING CCP.
I can't figure out which one of us is the more stupid.
You for putting in "updates" that screw up gameplay or me for paying for the "privilege" of experiencing this bad programming.
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Sophia Germain
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:57:00 -
[569]
Dakath, nobody's got a gun on your head telling you to pay. If you don't like it, leave, it really is as simple as that.
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spectre one
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:57:00 -
[570]
New servers , new patch , but nothing changes still same old problems , well i suppose we expected too much too soon.
Flames, rants and other unconstructive posts will be deleted. bit harsh , its good to have a rant sometimes hehe
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Pabs Sco
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:57:00 -
[571]
Edited by: Pabs Sco on 04/03/2006 20:04:38 OMG!!!!
Your all whingers, now, software deployment is tricky at best. So the patch was out on sis..how many actually tested it?
A memory leak is the problem, but finding where the leak is is very tricky (I work in development and I know this) so the leak may only have appeared on the live server due to the amount of people loging on so it may not have surfaced on sisi. So give the devs some time it will be fixed, we know it will.
So we have all lost a small amount of time playing the game, time to spend quality time with the wife :P
Edit: Now I am off to make pancakes  ------------ place sig here |

Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.03.04 19:59:00 -
[572]
Originally by: R3dSh1ft
Originally by: A Brr Return to drohnebay still doesn't work[...]
[...]the fact that now drones only attack when you tell them to is just so much better than the previous "5 of us target 5 random enemy ships just for fun" approach, dont you think?
Return to dronebay doesn't work all the time for any drone-capable ship.
As for the "fix" to the random drone attacks - I just lost my ship last night because of this, so no, I was not fixed entirely. ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide how to use them) |

Dimitri Tanan
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:02:00 -
[573]
Pabs is entirely correct. Software programming is a massively complex task and there is usually no way to test something completely before you introduce it. It's not like they keep a second cluster around with 10000 players to log on all at once and test it. Get over it, problems happen and for every 10 things that go right, something is bound to go wrong. Just go outside or something and accept that you're not going to play Eve 24/7 this weekend.
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TeCapio
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:18:00 -
[574]
Not sure if this has happened to anyone else, but the skill I was training during the patch "completed" and I received the eve mail as confirmation but it has not updated on the skills table.
Sent a petition in and waiting for the results.
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lunnatic
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:19:00 -
[575]
Edited by: lunnatic on 04/03/2006 20:19:43
Originally by: Pabs Sco Edited by: Pabs Sco on 04/03/2006 20:04:38
So we have all lost a small amount of time playing the game, time to spend quality time with the wife :P
A small amount of time my ass weve lost about 16hours of decent play that we payed for and yes they dont charge for the updates but if they dont update then new ppl wont join and then it wont grow and so on and so forth into a vicious sircle, free updates arent a good enought excuse for screwing them up, we want a free day its as simple as that.null
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Gah'khaz
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:22:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Dimitri Tanan Pabs is entirely correct. Software programming is a massively complex task and there is usually no way to test something completely before you introduce it. It's not like they keep a second cluster around with 10000 players to log on all at once and test it. Get over it, problems happen and for every 10 things that go right, something is bound to go wrong. Just go outside or something and accept that you're not going to play Eve 24/7 this weekend.
considering the one hour daily downtime, nobody will play Eve Offline 24/7, ever.
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Alex Tantra
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:24:00 -
[577]
Give 'em a break. This'll all soon be forgotten and the problems fixed, making EVE an even better experience...
...aight couldn't resist! *whinewhinewhinewhinewhinewhinewhine* 
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Dark Surtr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:31:00 -
[578]
was written before the reboot:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303290
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Tresienne
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:31:00 -
[579]
Is there an ETA of when it might be back?
Good luck with fixing it, thanks for coming in on the weekend.
Who was it who said to change patch day to Monday, now that is a good idea. 
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:33:00 -
[580]
Well, i dunno about a free day though, but i do think ccp should really now start on an 'optimization period' instead of adding new content and stuff.
And next time u release a patch and u think it will take 5h... just take a day, imo i wouldn't mind if the patching would take longer if that would make sure we would have less botch ups afterwards.
Oh and yes, i will be honest, i don't spend a lot of time on the testserver.. why? cause i have and pay for this game to play and have fun not to be ccp's gametester, if they want us to test their game for them, they should give us an insentive perhaps... say every hour spent on the testserver ads some extra time to ur normal playtime? (with limits offcourse so it can't be horribly abused) 
Anyways i am and will be a loyal customer for a long time, hell, i even gonna get me a 2nd account, even though i prolly won't be able to profit from the power of 2 option (long story about my bank and i argueing over my cc )
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:42:00 -
[581]
the actual patch and hardware were ok itst he memory leak boosting lag (now they know how we felt pre blood with the client side memory leak) why not just add 100GB of virtual memory or somethng CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

maria stallion
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:54:00 -
[582]
I need to join all the ingame chat channels again when I relog/log on.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2006.03.04 20:55:00 -
[583]
I guess that you have proved that I am more stupid than CCP. But just a little bit more stupid. 
Originally by: Sophia Germain Dakath, nobody's got a gun on your head telling you to pay. If you don't like it, leave, it really is as simple as that.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:00:00 -
[584]
Well whatever they did, my new Khanid alt still cannot log in. Always get stuck with 'Entering Station - Setup Station: Chaven VIII Moon 1 Imperial Academy School'. (I did get in with her once right after the restart luckily and changed to a loooong skill. But after that, no chance to get back in) All other characters can enter the game just fine. Wild guess is that either the n00b systems or the new chars are somehow borked...
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Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? |

Michael Snark
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:09:00 -
[585]
Bugz-bugz-bugz up inbound.
atm: can't get chat right-click menu, all agents are gone and can't open cargohold - "all items are busy"... Don't wanna take a risk of undocking...
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Topology
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:13:00 -
[586]
What Michael Snark said here above.
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amberwarrier
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:21:00 -
[587]
I cant log in after reboost for some reason Fix the Damn server that i help pay for
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Mai Shiranui
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:28:00 -
[588]
Ok, weird graphics bugs in the character portrait generator. I wish I had made a character portrait when it did this, but I had one of the new caldari bloodlines portraits with the characters eyeballs outside her head like a claymation character, and I don't think it's supposed to do that. I went back a step and forward, and it didn't do it again, but just want to give you a heads up...
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Akoudoulos
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:35:00 -
[589]
Overview bugs ftl
1) war targets do not show as red flashing 2) overview is fricked up, no overview whatsoever 3) Drone bay is not there, you can't launch drones 4) docking problems 5) war targets after agressing you shows as flagged 6) drone bay apears once you spam the overview tab along with the selected items 7) nice to have all of the above in pvp REALLY HELP 
ccp whatever changes you did the past 1 hour undo it it even worse now
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Boshart
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:39:00 -
[590]
I cant log in anymore 
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Brungar
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:42:00 -
[591]
Edited by: Brungar on 04/03/2006 21:42:21 Can't log in either, get stuck at "Entering game as Brungar".
Great.
(Whoo! On the bright side, my character picture is FINALLY showing....)
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:43:00 -
[592]
Originally by: Boshart I cant log in anymore 
Same here, same here. Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
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Chi Prime
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:44:00 -
[593]
I cannot log in either.. on either account. I know serveral others have the same problem.
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Crisis
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:47:00 -
[594]
me either i can't log in my main account anymore, Just gets stuck entering game :(
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Alejandro Zapata
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:47:00 -
[595]
Originally by: Akoudoulos Overview bugs ftl 1) war targets do not show as red flashing ... 5) war targets after agressing you shows as flagged
afaik, war targets don't go flashing until agression begins. unless you change your overview settings.
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RF Gonzo
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:50:00 -
[596]
Me 2 ...can't login...got stuck@Entering game as...
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Iskai
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:51:00 -
[597]
Edited by: Iskai on 04/03/2006 21:52:09 Edited by: Iskai on 04/03/2006 21:51:29
Originally by: Pabs Sco
A memory leak is the problem, but finding where the leak is is very tricky (I work in development and I know this) so the leak may only have appeared on the live server due to the amount of people loging on so it may not have surfaced on sisi. So give the devs some time it will be fixed, we know it will.
So we have all lost a small amount of time playing the game, time to spend quality time with the wife :P
Nonsense. I work in development too and you don't rollout code thats buggy, let alone do it over and over again as CCP appear to do. Sure a memory leak is tricky to track down, but it should be done on the staging servers and the live server rolled back.
CCP get way too much downtime as it is (1 hr daily?!) and repeatedly breaking the live server application is just a poor show.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:52:00 -
[598]
Originally by: Iskai
Originally by: Pabs Sco
A memory leak is the problem, but finding where the leak is is very tricky (I work in development and I know this) so the leak may only have appeared on the live server due to the amount of people loging on so it may not have surfaced on sisi. So give the devs some time it will be fixed, we know it will.
So we have all lost a small amount of time playing the game, time to spend quality time with the wife :P
Nonsense. I work in development too and you don't rollout code thats buggy, let alone do it over and over again as CCP appear to do.
CCP get way to much downtime as it is (1 hr daily?!) and repeatedly breaking the live server application is just a poor show.
I've worked in Development too. I am afraid that no matter how many times people/machines check and debug your code, unfortunately there are bugs.
If software was perfect first time, we'd all be using Windows 3.1.
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kaufmann
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:52:00 -
[599]
my main char isnt able to login, the others can.
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lavinia
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:53:00 -
[600]
noticed 2 funny thing(s) tonight: - right mouse click works not all of the time - logging in is impossible for some of my corpies, but not if try a char with the new blood-line, then logging in is okay
other then that, still having fun ;)
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iggzy
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:53:00 -
[601]
same here, i cant log with main char, i can log alts, but they are just alts :(
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:56:00 -
[602]
Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 04/03/2006 21:58:20 Ok ok so u can't log in, thats clear now.
Perhaps a small statement from ccp like 'were working on itÖ'? 
Hell, just shut the whole damn thing down again for a couple hours and check (and hopefully fix) whats wrong, imo that would be a far better solution then horrible playability for a large portion of the community and constant reboots.
EDIT: Nm, i just read the news 
Good luck ccp, hopefully things will be better tomorrows, and everybody that is stuck... or can't log in with skills running out, u have my sympathies, i just managed to change my skill fortunatly, so only lost like an hour or so.
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Snowpig
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:59:00 -
[603]
I could connect in the 10th attempt - only to be thrown back to desktop seconds later. 
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Salicious Ashburner
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:02:00 -
[604]
Edited by: Salicious Ashburner on 04/03/2006 22:06:43 *sigh* Can't get in.. have to agree with the **** poor deployment procedures.. If this was a free game you could get away with this crap.. maybe we need to form a player union and put forward an SLA for CCP? Might sound overkill but someone has to make these guys test properly.
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Sparkis Beutch
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:03:00 -
[605]
CCP, we'll still love eve if you take the server down. Just throw in the towel mates. Take the time you need and fix it.
<3
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Brungar
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:03:00 -
[606]
It just keeps getting better...
I click the 'news' button on the login screen. Window pops up, click 'read more', and get a message not found error: 'Message: DragDropGrab Arge:None'.
Guys, this is just embarassing...
Oh, I just made a new character to test. CAN log in that character, cannot log in my main. Bleh.
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Sophia Germain
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:07:00 -
[607]
Stuck at "entering station", nothing happening..
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Okgan
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:08:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Bex Beere Edited by: Bex Beere on 02/03/2006 18:21:37 hmm - just refined 175K of massive scordite for a corp member and recieved 480K of Trit and no Pyerite. Just glad it was only a small batch I refined. oh and first and IBDS 
I'm getting some seriously lame returns on refining myself. Tried to verify this with other people in game but only got "If u want more pyrit u got 2 mine differnt ore :)" feedback , so I can't tell if it's an anomaly or part of the new patch.
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Ossprey Dragonheart
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:09:00 -
[609]
Hey my Can of Gremlin spraythat I recived from Level(3) is still open if you guys want it And as for Mr Murphy can't you just put him on Payed Sick Leave?? 
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Kayne Tarsis
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:11:00 -
[610]
yeah, what about just switching the damn servers off for a day. fix it PROPERLY without too much stress and hectic, i.e. make a seriously GOOD job. then switch them on again. better then another day of failed login tries and kicks while mining.
CCP, please take your time and do it properly.
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Mysterlee
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:11:00 -
[611]
Edited by: Mysterlee on 04/03/2006 22:12:39 Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but I dont have time to read this whole topic. There is no option to move a drone from my cargo to my drone bay when near a ship maintenance array and since the drone bay shortcut has been disabled I cant do it that way either.
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Shogun Assassin
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:14:00 -
[612]
There is also something wrong with my drones as they killed today my corp mate in complex. Lol, they attacked her but I took them back, however later before I noticed that anything is wrong with them she was dead 
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IHaveTenFingers
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:15:00 -
[613]
I know that some say we should deal with the lag and server errors and have no problem with it, as it is expected. i would have no problem with waiting a day or two if eve were free. We, as users, pay to play this game, with the assumption that when we sign on, we will be able to play. At a total of $180 a year per user, and 100000 total users signed up, that adds up to 18 Million USD per yer for CCP. Perhaps some of that money thats lining ccp's pockets can be diverted to hiring a few extra hands.
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Duan Quay
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:15:00 -
[614]
How about roll back to before the patch and fix it before you install. 3 days now I have not been able to play because of all the nodes crashes and reboots and now I keep getting disconnected and cannot get back in. I feel a serious look at some repayment of monthly fees should be looked at.
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TheTraderWoman
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:22:00 -
[615]
Eve crashed and now i can't log in for the last 20 minutes....

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Brael Wenn
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:23:00 -
[616]
It's only been an hour and a half since the reboot, but Ours is back to being almost impossible to do anything in. It's taking 5-10 minutes to accomplish anything there, and other people are reporting heavy lag and problems again in other systems. This recent reboot appears to work for half an hour, but things are basically back to where they were two hours ago.
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BlackKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:23:00 -
[617]
Just had a server restart and STILL having problems.
1) Targets arbitraily unlock for no reason 2) Weapons won't activate 3) Loot cans cannot be emptied 3) Random "you must be within 1500m...." (loot can messages when I'm at a station and no where near a loot can?) 4) Stuck in jumps 5) Weapons won't load 6) You hit an NPC and no damage is registered 7) Got disconnected several times while in a mission. Logged back on to find my ship hold was empty (torpedoes disappeared).
What's next?
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Captain Boone
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:24:00 -
[618]
Well maybe...
But i just tried to log into this game from the Cluster Frack* that is Blizzards Ahn Quiraj Gate opening event in World of Warcraft.
I love CCP's honesty and how it jumps on these things straight away. Unlike Blizzard which lets its entire player base carry on repeating an event which crashes every server in the world, multiple times when it plays out over the month or so the event is being completed. All without even the hint of an apology or any attempt at a fix.
These guys are about as good as it gets for a mmorpg company.
ps. FIX THE BLOODY SERVERS!! 
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Steve McHorn
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:25:00 -
[619]
Originally by: Elixibren this is kinda a inappropriate question for me to ask but...
Will CCP be extending our Subscription times due to the inability to login to the game from this? just wondering...
I don't think so. But it would be awesome if they would do something like take a day or three off of some of a training time of a long skill or something.
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games bust
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:33:00 -
[620]
still cant get any of my chars on one account in but can get my chars on another account in straight away.
Bring it down and fix it CCP or atleast make some sort of new comment on people been stuck from getting in
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Lequid
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:34:00 -
[621]
what the.... who will reimburse that time what i lost ? i need to change skill training but cant even login 
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BlackKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:34:00 -
[622]
Crashed on both my accounts...and neither can log in......
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Grindelwald
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:38:00 -
[623]
Actually what would be nice would be able to manage current skills through the My Character Screen, so that training time is not lost during unscheduled extended downtimes.
I'm not saying we should be allowed to buy new ones cause that would be a pain in the rear end to have to set up a limited market interface as well...but It'd be nice to manage current skills while at work, since being work, can't obviously log on to eve there due to fire wall restrictions.
.....unfortunately i work twelve hour night shifts...and bamn i come home nothing goin on...i set to train a skill and goto sleep for a couple of hours and wake up..can't even log in to the server....i knew i should have stayed with learning that level five skill....bah
no worries though..excellent game, loving it only been playing for a couple of weeks, and i'm more addicted to this game than i was with everquest, starwars galaxies, or world of warcraft and its jacked up patching system.
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BALAURICI
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:38:00 -
[624]
Edited by: BALAURICI on 04/03/2006 22:39:17 I cannot log in. What's happening?
I've reinstalled the game. but it's not workin' anymore. It stucks on entering the stion for 15 mins.
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Perpello
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:39:00 -
[625]
Crashed out a few minutes ago and since then, logon stops in a black screen. 
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Nyack
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:41:00 -
[626]
i dont know which eve addict is the worst.. the ones whining over that they cant play due to lag and patch issues.. or the rest thats feel liberated by patch so they can get "holiday" to be social with their family.... --- We are the people who's come here to play I don¦t like it easy I don¦t like the straight way We¦re in the middle of something We are here to stay And we raise our heads for the colour red |

games bust
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:43:00 -
[627]
Originally by: Nyack i dont know which eve addict is the worst.. the ones whining over that they cant play due to lag and patch issues.. or the rest thats feel liberated by patch so they can get "holiday" to be social with their family....
the ones who say "i dont know which eve addict is worse".
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Katabrok First
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:43:00 -
[628]
Originally by: Perpello Crashed out a few minutes ago and since then, logon stops in a black screen. 
Same here.
Katabrok, the space barbarian.
I want the The Correct DreadÖ!!!! |

Havelcek
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:44:00 -
[629]
"Your server node has gone offline"
Seems to have brought down the Solitude region. FYI and all that.
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Blade Kinnerson
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:44:00 -
[630]
mining happily, kicked out, atempting to login, select a character, character selection box 'entering game' and that's as far as we go
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necronarcosis
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:45:00 -
[631]
well what can i say, personaly i think it was a bad idea to let the blood pacth loose one the servers, with little or no q&a on the new server structure.
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Megri
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:46:00 -
[632]
Edited by: Megri on 04/03/2006 22:48:10
Originally by: Elixibren this is kinda a inappropriate question for me to ask but...
Will CCP be extending our Subscription times due to the inability to login to the game from this? just wondering...
If this continues, I would hope they do. If this were my cable and it kept cutting out, I would be looking to get some kind of compensation.
I can handle a 24 hour downtime like once a month, on top of the daily downtime that adds up to 30 hours... anymore then 48 hours is NOT SOMETHING I like to experience.
So if you think about it, in the last month we had 30 hours downtime (1 hour x 30 days) + 24 for the server being installed, plus this latest patch would I would say has had about 48 hours unplayable time... thats like 164 hours (very rough estimate)
Anyhow- its like an 78% uptime in the last 30 days-- of which the last 3 have been unplayable. If it gets any worse- I would expect something...
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Niraco79
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:46:00 -
[633]
3 times connection to server lost..now i cannot log on for about 10 minutes and so on..this day was a disaster..ship lost due that no help was avaible cause they almost all got out of eve by application crush, menu dissapereance bug for 3 hours and so on ________________ THE MEGA NOOB |

Grave Diggen
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:49:00 -
[634]
I think the bottom line is the game is unplayable at this point. Cannot log in, and when I do get in with an alt its so full of lag, nothing works and eventually I get kicked. No use in sweating it after 3 days of the same thing. Time to move on to bigger and better games. Bye!! 
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Angelis 2004
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:50:00 -
[635]
WTF is wrong with this bloddy game now. Oh wait, I seem to recall another untested patch deployment. And gues what, This fracking game has become unplayable YET AGAIN.
When will the monkey, ooops I means admins learn that if something isn't broken, you dont fix it. How much of an ******** can they be.
They take our money and make it impossible for us to enjoy the game and do not offer us any money as part of a refund. Instead its empty promises and hollow appologies.
I thought they learnt there lesson (ok you can all stop laughing now) the last time they f^úked up. But no, just like the usual money grabbing bastards. And I thought Micro$hite were bad. |

BALAURICI
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:50:00 -
[636]
I've just saw that exefile.exe cannot open two connections for 87.237.39.100 on http
I think the problem is generated by this exefile.exe
After a period of time, when the game stucks in the entering station progress box, the connection 2 the server is lost.
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BALAURICI
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:50:00 -
[637]
I've just saw that exefile.exe cannot open two connections for 87.237.39.100 on http
I think the problem is generated by this exefile.exe
After a period of time, when the game stucks in the entering station progress box, the connection 2 the server is lost.
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Ima Nutta
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:50:00 -
[638]
I'm having problems logging on. Taking a longgggggg time. Once I'm logged on, I don't get any right mouse click context menus (eg right-click then select location to warp to, etc). Tried logging off/on, but now I cant do anything. Some items on overview respond to right click, but only planets, moons, etc. Don't get context menu when clicking on objects in space, eg cant click on station then select "Dock".
This game is awesome...WHEN IT WORKS!!! Come on CCP, get your act together. You've broken this system so don't try fixing it today, roll-back to the previous configuation, and take the time NEEDED to fix the bugs on your test system before rolling out crap like this again. PLEASE!!!!!

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Alan Bell
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:51:00 -
[639]
i cant log in now, and i have a full can of crok waiting to be hauled... http://coldfusion.online-guild.com |

BlackKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:56:00 -
[640]
8k people dropped in one disconnect.....nice job
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Angelis 2004
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:57:00 -
[641]
We wont even get a sorry. You kow what they are like, they'll probably tell us to "clear our caches" and that it was our fault all along. If you're not on the edge, then you're taking up too much space |

Geosis Vanderer
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:57:00 -
[642]
lol, i think the server hit one of those minor memory leak problems on multiple nodes. I.E. the beer got in the 56k modems at tranquilty 2.0HQ Therefore, you cant login, and if you are able to, its extremeeeeely laggy (3 minute click lag anyone?), chat is messed, and some of the screens are never able to load. and you get disconnected to.
Would be pretty cool to be compensated, but i would definatly like a free 3 days of skills pass over compensation
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AJRimmer
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:04:00 -
[643]
they claim that they test every single patch. Ok I would like to know who checks the the patches. The Telly Tubbies?
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Ashido
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:05:00 -
[644]
R we rebooting again soon ?
Don't think i've done this mission enuff times yet :p
Cannot log in now, so plz make it quick the boxings on tonight :D
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:07:00 -
[645]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/03/2006 23:08:39
"Free what you create!"
One of the cardinal rules of programming. Fellow programmers will know what i mean.
--- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait" |

septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:07:00 -
[646]
[i]eve's rapid growth reported by GM Zworm | 2006.02.24 18:59:28 | Comments Hi there, GM Zworm here reporting from support HQ. EVE is growing rapidly at the moment and it really amazed me as I went through the billing queue today, to find out how many players are asking for trial cd-keys and how many old customers are returning to EVE. I just wanted to bring this issue up for future reference as I believe that this is very important. What I'm talking about is of course your billing information, the information stored on your account management website.
What I would like to ask you all to do is as follows:
Always have a active e-mail address registered to your account. Try to make sure that your account management webpages are always accessible to you. This will enable you to update your account details at any time. Always keep your username and password safe and secure. Never share this information with anyone, ever. This will enable you to access the account management website after a long break if you ever decide to take one. If you are trying to send out buddy trial cd-keys or you have a friend who would like to try EVE, -and the website is having troubles etc, then ask your friend to send us an e-mail with the topic "Trial account cd-key" or something similar. We will then send the trial cd-key to the person as soon as possible. The billing queue continues to be our top priority and we hope that the problems we have faced recently will soon be over.
GM Z
Instead of worrying about raking more money off the poor fools who are stupid enough to put up with this swiss cheese game of yours...why not just concentrate on introducing patches which don't bring eve to its knees ? |

MachZERO
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:07:00 -
[647]
I too would not have any complaints with taking the server completely down to fix this. Hell, do a 48 hour DT if needed, just suspend all training and issue a 2 day extension to all accounts.
Should also adopt a monday DT patch roll-out from now on so that the weekends are not effected by post patch issues as badly. And the dev's can actually have a weekend off for a change.. :)
You guys are still awesome tho.
Nothing but lub still.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:10:00 -
[648]
Quote:
Instead of worrying about raking more money off the poor fools who are stupid enough to put up with this swiss cheese game of yours...why not just concentrate on introducing patches which don't bring eve to its knees ?
That was before patch. I dont get the impression that they dont care about us. Not at all.... in fact, the gamemasters are the most friendly i have met in any MMO.
Give them time, they will fix it.
--- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait" |

Great Guardian
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:10:00 -
[649]
Edited by: Great Guardian on 04/03/2006 23:10:11
Originally by: kieron The large number of traffic advisories and market issues are due to the start up of the servers, and CPU load. As the servers and database settle in, the number of traffic advisories will decrease and markets will open. This is a known issue and will be addressed.
Are we clueless or what??? I got kicked out from game in EMPTY 0.0 system and I CANNOT log back!
Are you guys going to offer refund or not? I was not paying for game like this and rest assured that I will not do it in the future.
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah! Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments.... will |

Li'l Ze
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:12:00 -
[650]
Ok. 26 months of patches and upgrades I have never made a comment. But this one here deserves at least a note. Content patch, then hardware change, followed shortly thereafter by another major game update, all within a few weeks does not work. And the devs should have realized that. What can they do now I have no idea as trying to roll it back presents other problems. I write this as my node happens to be off line apparently and am unable to log in. Again. <img src="http://www.imperial-guardians.com/ig-sigs/lilze.gif"> |
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test1024
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:15:00 -
[651]
Originally by: kieron As with any patch, there are bound to be some issues that made it through the QA process. Please post issues in this thread, but keep comments constructive and please file bug reports where appropriate. Flames, rants and other unconstructive posts will be deleted.
Just a word of support: No matter how bad it seems during these times - and it may appear that every subscriber is screaming with GMs being overloaded - I'm confident CCP will make it through these bugs and issues - just as the WoW team successfully did in the early days when realms were dying all over the place across many data centers due to the immense load of new players.
This is exactly how new frontiers in technology and software are negotiated - with bugs, unforeseen hardware and software failure, patience, perseverance and a strong will to focus on the vision that is the inspiration for going where no one has gone before; the road to success is never easy - especially for those standing on the frontier.
/salute
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:16:00 -
[652]
Bah!
If you people think EVE is that horrible then just quit!
Let us fanboys enjoy our game in peace.
Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD |

BigZeus
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:17:00 -
[653]
Edited by: BigZeus on 04/03/2006 23:20:01 Edited by: BigZeus on 04/03/2006 23:18:18
Originally by: AJRimmer they claim that they test every single patch. Ok I would like to know who checks the the patches. The Telly Tubbies?
Originally by: MachZERO I too would not have any complaints with taking the server completely down to fix this. Hell, do a 48 hour DT if needed, just suspend all training and issue a 2 day extension to all accounts.
you can't just drop the server for 48 hours and fix it.....the it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling, people wounder why these thigns happend when they test it. testing patches on a test server that 1000 people are on if your lucky is a lot differn't then the REAL test a server takes when it takes the full head on load of 20,000+ players, this is the only way to iron out new equiptment and patches. you people really need to stop with the ignorant comments and post the issues you see, this is a community effort, nobody cares about reading your *****y posts about how you feel the patching process is going, you know nothign about what your complain about, grow the hell up.
Zeus
ps. and a 2 day extention????? wtf are you talking about? you mean credit your account 50 cents per day the server is down? gimmie a break.
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Angelis 2004
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:19:00 -
[654]
Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier. |

Tessen
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:19:00 -
[655]
You know the frog that wanabee as big as...
*correction : You know Eve-Online that wana...
No comment. Reduce number of players one same server and lag won't be an issue anymore.
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skullkeeper
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:21:00 -
[656]
I think its about time we were all compensated for the lack of UP TIME, 
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:22:00 -
[657]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Quote:
Instead of worrying about raking more money off the poor fools who are stupid enough to put up with this swiss cheese game of yours...why not just concentrate on introducing patches which don't bring eve to its knees ?
That was before patch. I dont get the impression that they dont care about us. Not at all.... in fact, the gamemasters are the most friendly i have met in any MMO.
Give them time, they will fix it.
Not a case of caring about us. I do not have a problem with the guys trying to fix this mess, its their job they are paid to do that. We pay their wages with out monthly subscriptions, we pay for a service we are not getting at this moment in time. It matters not that the game was ok before the patch, it only matters we are not getting what we pay for at this moment in time, or should i say since the patch was implemented.
If ccp do care then why aren't we being offered blanket compensation for the disruption to gameplay, loss of bonus on missions cos damn eve will not stay up long enough to complete a mission in time, loss of ship mid battle when the server vanishes down some memory black hole etc etc. By the way the gamesmasters are being paid to be friendly...paid by us.
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BigZeus
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:26:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
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Geosis Vanderer
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:30:00 -
[659]
Time till EVE addicts start rioting in the streets without pants
3....2....1...
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:30:00 -
[660]
Edited by: Slaveabuser on 04/03/2006 23:30:35
Originally by: septicwomble
Not a case of caring about us
Don't you have parents or something?
Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD |
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BigZeus
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:31:00 -
[661]
you mean completely naked :P
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:31:00 -
[662]
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:32:00 -
[663]
Originally by: Geosis Vanderer Time till EVE addicts start rioting in the streets without pants
3....2....1...
hehehehe
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Angelis 2004
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:34:00 -
[664]
Actually, this is major business here. There are according to CCP 106,000 subscribers, paying 14.95 euros each month, thats 1,584,700 euros a MONTH.
You obviously have never worked a day in your life when you say trial and error is how things get done. When you are supplying a service (as CCP claim to be doing), you are expected nae required to run the business is a professional mannor. Your goods (in this case the program) has to be of a standard suitable for the job in hand. In this case, the product (Eve) doesn't work. Testing should have been done before hand to ensure at the very minimum, a basic working state.
Companies have folded over less problems than this. Their goods not being up to scratch and the authorities investigating them and pulling the products from service. |

septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:36:00 -
[665]
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Actually, this is major business here. There are according to CCP 106,000 subscribers, paying 14.95 euros each month, thats 1,584,700 euros a MONTH.
You obviously have never worked a day in your life when you say trial and error is how things get done. When you are supplying a service (as CCP claim to be doing), you are expected nae required to run the business is a professional mannor. Your goods (in this case the program) has to be of a standard suitable for the job in hand. In this case, the product (Eve) doesn't work. Testing should have been done before hand to ensure at the very minimum, a basic working state.
Companies have folded over less problems than this. Their goods not being up to scratch and the authorities investigating them and pulling the products from service.
Ditto.
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Algrad Linebacker
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:37:00 -
[666]
Got this message at attempt to log in: "Your character is located within (Oursulaert), which is currently loading. Please try again in a moment."
This moment is now a 20 min moment. Pretty long for a moment. And my ship in the middle of pirates. Arrrrrghhh.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:38:00 -
[667]
Edited by: Drizit on 04/03/2006 23:38:07
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
Someone's been reading the ISO 9000 statements. Pity it wasn't the devs. I doubt CCP is ISO 9000 Rated.
This memory leak looks like we're going to get two or three reboots a day until it's cleared up. By 11pm every night, it slows to unacceptable levels and grinds to a halt even in the less populated areas. I'm stuck in low sec, got booted with a message saying "The Node you are connected to has gone offline", managed to get back in and dock, (well I hope I did cos all I got for 25 minutes was a black screen after docking was accepted), I had to shut down the client and I can't log in at all now.
-- My idea of an OS is one that Operates the System, not a complete package of every piece of software ever written. Computers created "The Paperless Office". But some stupid fool invented a printer |

BigZeus
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:40:00 -
[668]
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
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robacz
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:41:00 -
[669]
I think Devs already know it, but since I need to vent anyway.... Essence region is completly unplayable. Every action (both station or space) has huge delays, I am being disconnected every 10 mins, sometimes client freezes for 15 or more seconds completly...
It was OK til evening, I was playing during afternoon without problems, but last 5 hours its complete disaster. I just dont get why do CCP have to apply new patch at Thursday, when they know that EVERY patch brings at least day of major problems. This means wasted friday and saturday and possibly sunday evening too - time when most of ppl want to relax and play their favorite game.
Anyway good luck with fixing TQ, I am giving up for today.
___________ LG Slave Set for Sale :: 549M :: 33.83% armor hp bonus |

Dark Surtr
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:48:00 -
[670]
Read the bottom post by Oveur
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:49:00 -
[671]
Edited by: septicwomble on 04/03/2006 23:50:51
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
You miss my point. WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS WE PAY FOR A SERVICE WE ARE NOT RECIEVING. If ccp did care and were concerned with our playing the game and also wished to have a game that actually works well then why do they not blanket offer free eve until they fix the problem. They would have a happy user base who do not feel like they are being taken advantage of. They also get all the game testers they could ever wish for so they can actually test the game under normal load conditions.
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Phanlax
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:58:00 -
[672]
Originally by: septicwomble Edited by: septicwomble on 04/03/2006 23:50:51
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
You miss my point. WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS WE PAY FOR A SERVICE WE ARE NOT RECIEVING. If ccp did care and were concerned with our playing the game and also wished to have a game that actually works well then why do they not blanket offer free eve until they fix the problem. They would have a happy user base who do not feel like they are being taken advantage of. They also get all the game testers they could ever wish for so they can actually test the game under normal load conditions.
If you don't like it go play WoW and stop whining. Give them time to do their job. You think they wanna be there on a Sunday morning? EVE FTW. Besides, the FREE content will have bugs no matter what. Oh and how much did you pay when CCP added 50 some odd new Blade servers? Oh... right. CCP FTW
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:02:00 -
[673]
Originally by: Phanlax
Originally by: septicwomble Edited by: septicwomble on 04/03/2006 23:50:51
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
You miss my point. WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS WE PAY FOR A SERVICE WE ARE NOT RECIEVING. If ccp did care and were concerned with our playing the game and also wished to have a game that actually works well then why do they not blanket offer free eve until they fix the problem. They would have a happy user base who do not feel like they are being taken advantage of. They also get all the game testers they could ever wish for so they can actually test the game under normal load conditions.
If you don't like it go play WoW and stop whining. Give them time to do their job. You think they wanna be there on a Sunday morning? EVE FTW. Besides, the FREE content will have bugs no matter what. Oh and how much did you pay when CCP added 50 some odd new Blade servers? Oh... right. CCP FTW
Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
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Lord Zod
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:02:00 -
[674]
Edited by: Lord Zod on 05/03/2006 00:02:11
Originally by: Phanlax
Oh and how much did you pay when CCP added 50 some odd new Blade servers? Oh... right. CCP FTW
ú10 a month.
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Sha'Uri Dark
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:06:00 -
[675]
I'm of the mind that I don't care how many reboots we have to go thur as long as it's being fixed. Which it seams that CCP is on top of.
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Konsor Hinnso
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:07:00 -
[676]
Do they have a trading Standards department in Iceland? Or any form of consumer protection?
I sympathise with the employees of CCP who are actually doing their best to rectify a disastrous situation. However, CCP are NOT putting all their resources into fixing the current crisis. Anyone who has had their posts locked or deleted over the last couple of days will have realised that at least half of the available staff are here on PR duties. Mainly damage limitation it seems.
To those who flamed my 'SUSPEND BILLING NOW' post, I don't give a flying F*** what the server state is. Nor do I want to know how difficult it is to maintain such a service.
All I know is I'm paying my money for something I am not getting.
if you want to flame any critics, go ahead. CCP don't give a flyer either. They have your share of the 1.5 mil in real cash every month. And they rely on you self abusing myopics to support them cos they know you think it's fun
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Retsil Evad
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:09:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Tessen
Reduce number of players one same server and lag won't be an issue anymore.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:12:00 -
[678]
Originally by: Konsor Hinnso Do they have a trading Standards department in Iceland? Or any form of consumer protection?
I sympathise with the employees of CCP who are actually doing their best to rectify a disastrous situation. However, CCP are NOT putting all their resources into fixing the current crisis. Anyone who has had their posts locked or deleted over the last couple of days will have realised that at least half of the available staff are here on PR duties. Mainly damage limitation it seems.
To those who flamed my 'SUSPEND BILLING NOW' post, I don't give a flying F*** what the server state is. Nor do I want to know how difficult it is to maintain such a service.
All I know is I'm paying my money for something I am not getting.
YAY!!!!!!!!!  wooo wooo wooo but seriously.....  DITTO!
if you want to flame any critics, go ahead. CCP don't give a flyer either. They have your share of the 1.5 mil in real cash every month. And they rely on you self abusing myopics to support them cos they know you think it's fun
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Jacob Etienne
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:13:00 -
[679]
Quote: Please post issues in this thread, but keep comments constructive and please file bug reports where appropriate. Flames, rants and other unconstructive posts will be deleted.
Can a Mod please make good on this, and delete the rants of these uneducated morons? Its irritating to say the least to have complete muppets spamming a bug report thread with pathetic complaints.
Bugs i have noticed myself:
When logging in, the screen appears totally black, but buddylist icons still come up when people log in/out.. i had to alt+tab half a dozen times before i got in. Some modules wont reload their charges.. mostly railguns. Also massive chat lag, but that was to be expected anyway.
Best wishes with regard to the repairs, im sure you guys are doing the best job you can.
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BlackKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:14:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Actually, this is major business here. There are according to CCP 106,000 subscribers, paying 14.95 euros each month, thats 1,584,700 euros a MONTH.
You obviously have never worked a day in your life when you say trial and error is how things get done. When you are supplying a service (as CCP claim to be doing), you are expected nae required to run the business is a professional mannor. Your goods (in this case the program) has to be of a standard suitable for the job in hand. In this case, the product (Eve) doesn't work. Testing should have been done before hand to ensure at the very minimum, a basic working state.
Companies have folded over less problems than this. Their goods not being up to scratch and the authorities investigating them and pulling the products from service.
Very well said....
/Signed
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:14:00 -
[681]
Originally by: septicwomble Edited by: septicwomble on 04/03/2006 23:50:51
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
You miss my point. WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS WE PAY FOR A SERVICE WE ARE NOT RECIEVING. If ccp did care and were concerned with our playing the game and also wished to have a game that actually works well then why do they not blanket offer free eve until they fix the problem. They would have a happy user base who do not feel like they are being taken advantage of. They also get all the game testers they could ever wish for so they can actually test the game under normal load conditions.
I'm sorry but if you knew ANYTHING about software testing then you would know that no matter how hard and long you test a program, there will always be bugs. We know ad expect this practice as normal and we continue, thowing a hissy fit and quoting something that almost impossable in real life does not help the matter. As Frank Herbert wrote: Real boat rock.
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Saranda Jostala
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:15:00 -
[682]
I'm a new player to EvE. Been here 2 weeks only so far. Love the game, I find it a breath of fresh air after playing WoW, EQ2, EQ1 and SWG for many years.
The recent content patch which has caused so many problems is indeed annoying. I have been disconnected many times in the last few days and had to endue 20 minute reboots now and again.
However, compared to a year of disconnects and reboots daily in WoW, 7 months of lag and PC crashes due to memory problems in EQ2, and a year of Dev's who are only concerned with cash over content in SWG, the problems of 2 days of EvE, with a Dev team who keep us updated constantly is nothing.
Yes something went wrong with this patch, very wrong, but I still feel I am being listened to by the people we pay, and I feel assured they are intently working to fix it.
As others have said, if you can not cope with 2 days of reboots and bugs, then you should really quit now and play an other MMO. I assure you within a month you will be back here after realising this is as good as it gets.
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Godar Marak
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:16:00 -
[683]
Originally by: Konsor Hinnso
I sympathise with the employees of CCP who are actually doing their best to rectify a disastrous situation. However, CCP are NOT putting all their resources into fixing the current crisis. Anyone who has had their posts locked or deleted over the last couple of days will have realised that at least half of the available staff are here on PR duties. Mainly damage limitation it seems.
You do know that the forum mods are all volunteers?
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Konsor Hinnso
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:16:00 -
[684]
Erm, I apologise.
This uneducated moron has noticed a bug.
The game I'm paying for is not actually working!!!
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Xyrith Zevyr
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:18:00 -
[685]
So far, CCP is doing excellent work in attempting to fix and resolve this issue. Any other MMO company would have left it til Monday, and given no updates as to what's wrong.
Being new to EVE, I find it foreign to see: 1) Free content that adds to the game, 2) Timely news posts about server issues, 3) Obvious attempts to correct bugs and issues with the game. Coming from a slew of other MMOs, EVE feels like a breath of fresh air, even at what looks to be one of it's low points. I may forever cancel my SOE Pass subscription, as well as my WoW subscription in favor of this game.
I applaud their ability to put this much effort into keeping the forums clean for those of us that dislike childish trollings, as well as what seems to be a full-on effort to restore server stability.
I also thank CCP for posting meaningful updates, that is trusting that the majority of their customers are educated enough to know what, or ask for, the meaning of a memory allocation error. As a developer, I know just how difficult such errors are to trace and fix, and therefore you have my patience.
I was on my trial when making this post, but due to what I've seen so far, I will be switching over to a paid billing subscription as soon as I'm done. Knowing just how much a game can degrade, I can't say I will be a long-time customer. I can say that if things continue as they are now, I will be a paying customer for many months to come.
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:18:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Jacob Etienne
Quote: Please post issues in this thread, but keep comments constructive and please file bug reports where appropriate. Flames, rants and other unconstructive posts will be deleted.
Can a Mod please make good on this, and delete the rants of these uneducated morons? Its irritating to say the least to have complete muppets spamming a bug report thread with pathetic complaints.
Bugs i have noticed myself:
When logging in, the screen appears totally black, but buddylist icons still come up when people log in/out.. i had to alt+tab half a dozen times before i got in. Some modules wont reload their charges.. mostly railguns. Also massive chat lag, but that was to be expected anyway.
Best wishes with regard to the repairs, im sure you guys are doing the best job you can.
Sheesh if everyone were to submit BUGS then the forum would break. Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:21:00 -
[687]
Originally by: GouldFish
Originally by: septicwomble Edited by: septicwomble on 04/03/2006 23:50:51
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
You miss my point. WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS WE PAY FOR A SERVICE WE ARE NOT RECIEVING. If ccp did care and were concerned with our playing the game and also wished to have a game that actually works well then why do they not blanket offer free eve until they fix the problem. They would have a happy user base who do not feel like they are being taken advantage of. They also get all the game testers they could ever wish for so they can actually test the game under normal load conditions.
I'm sorry but if you knew ANYTHING about software testing then you would know that no matter how hard and long you test a program, there will always be bugs. We know ad expect this practice as normal and we continue, thowing a hissy fit and quoting something that almost impossable in real life does not help the matter. As Frank Herbert wrote: Real boat rock.
rofl hehehe giggle chortle Hissy fit ? this is merely relieving the hardship of being torn from my beloved eve for such a long period. But again you miss my point. We are paying for a service.
Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
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Jacob Etienne
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:22:00 -
[688]
Edited by: Jacob Etienne on 05/03/2006 00:24:02
Originally by: septicwomble
Sheesh if everyone were to submit BUGS then the forum would break. Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
See, in what way is that constructive? Its sad, pathetic and entirely useless to anyone and everyone. You got a problem with something i say in here, PM me, or gank me in the game. Dont whine even more in a topic you have already fouled with childish rants.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:22:00 -
[689]
Edited by: Tas Devil on 05/03/2006 00:22:04
Originally by: Phanlax
If you don't like it go play WoW and stop whining. Give them time to do their job. You think they wanna be there on a Sunday morning? EVE FTW. Besides, the FREE content will have bugs no matter what. Oh and how much did you pay when CCP added 50 some odd new Blade servers? Oh... right. CCP FTW
Please remove your face from CCP's ass right now... your licking is becoming very very innappropriate fan boy... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :) |

Usku Ukusku
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:23:00 -
[690]
Originally by: septicwomble Edited by: septicwomble on 04/03/2006 23:50:51
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: BigZeus
Originally by: Angelis 2004 Which planet are you currently orbiting?
Its a simple matter of Quality Assurance which this company obviiously does not adhere to. The QA motto and it shoudl be everybody, every person's motto is "Do it right the first time, every time".
Oh my god, what are you 3? Honestly do u think that CCP wanted this to happen? Like it was planned? It was a hiccup of sorts, and they are working there ass off to fix it.
Sounds like your the kind of person who leaves the tv on 24/7 cause you pay 60 dollars and dont want to waste your money.
Comon take a break and stop whining
More of this attitude and less pathetic excuses and we would all be happier.
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
**** you need to chill.................. All by the by really in relation to test this test that..... We did not pay to be guinea pigs..... They wanna test their latest and greatest patch they got a test server, a simple "hey guys come and test our new **** out" and i am sure there would be plenty of eager beavers happy to oblige. Patching the whole cluster and the whole cluster yo yoing for the next who knows how long is not really what we pay for.
you need to read everything prior to making a statement, first off, eve did put it on the test server and ask people to come check it out, and people did....about 2,000 of them, were you one of them? probably not which brings me to what i said in the begining..... and i quote "it needs to be tested contantly with the load that it's goign to be handling" come on septic how are they suppose to iron out everything when only 2,000 join the test server?
You miss my point. WE ARE NOT GUINEA PIGS WE PAY FOR A SERVICE WE ARE NOT RECIEVING. If ccp did care and were concerned with our playing the game and also wished to have a game that actually works well then why do they not blanket offer free eve until they fix the problem. They would have a happy user base who do not feel like they are being taken advantage of. They also get all the game testers they could ever wish for so they can actually test the game under normal load conditions.
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:24:00 -
[691]
Originally by: Jacob Etienne
Originally by: septicwomble
Sheesh if everyone were to submit BUGS then the forum would break. Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
See, in what way is that constructive? Its sad, pathetic and entirely useless to anyone and everyone. You got a problem with something i say in here, PM me, or gank me in the game. Dont ***** even more in a topic you have already fouled with childish rants.
Yay !!!!! childish rants......merely stress relief..... Glad your ****ed.... Kisses.
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IHaveTenFingers
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:24:00 -
[692]
The True EVE-Online experience Starting up (733 sec). I've seen this before, and i know what will happen
733 sec later - Full Cluster(0) Wow, our severs can connect 0 people simultanously. that beats WoW's -738,081,920.5
10 Minutes later - status: ok (39 players) i bet theyre all GM's and ISD
5 minutes later, still waiting for character to load.
3 minutes later, waiting yo undock.
4 minutes later, after steering my raven thru all the derelict noob ships, im jump stuck at a gate.
15 minutes later i finally make it out. and get a message:
"we are currently experienceing problems in the oursulaert, jita, systems blah blah blah. Sincerely, the eve fzckheads." thanks.
5 minutes later the lag is "gone" (a few thousand people dropped) and im starting a mission YAY!
10 seconds before warping to deadspace new message: "server shutdown in 30 seconds. We could have given you some warning, but we wanted you to lose as much skill time as possible" (let's say im about 20 minutes away from finishing caldari frigate lv 5.)
CCP, i really appreciate all your hard work in making this one of the most frustrating experiences in my gaming career. you really deserve an award, nameley a darwin award, because due to your poor service you have lost hundreds if not thousands of customers, effectively killing your own company in a very creative way.
- IHaveTenFingers Admiral, TGBN corporation :TBGI
P.S. I do not, in any way, relay the opinions or beliefs of the rest of The Biggest Gnome Inc.
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Imhothar Xarodit
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:24:00 -
[693]
Edited by: Imhothar Xarodit on 05/03/2006 00:26:59
Originally by: GouldFish I'm sorry but if you knew ANYTHING about software testing then you would know that no matter how hard and long you test a program, there will always be bugs. We know ad expect this practice as normal and we continue, thowing a hissy fit and quoting something that almost impossable in real life does not help the matter. As Frank Herbert wrote: Real boat rock.
I completely have to agree on this. Every programmer knows that one single spelling error in one single line of your code can randomly crash the whole program. Now try to find one under millions of code lines[u] running on [u]70 machines simultanously that produces the memory leak. Even if you have found the function that generates the bug, you can read over and over it again without finding it. And there we are: finding the bug is the point here, not fixing it.
Anyone of you all ever tried to maintain and debug a server cluster consisting of 70 blades? I don't think so. Yes, we pay CCP for a smooth game but nobody's perfect and we all do mistakes. Now let the experts do their job. I can't imagine the Devs like to work on a saturday's midnight so everybody calm down and relax. They know their product best so give them time to fix what they messed up and stop whining, it won't help anything!
edit: And I really have to appreciate that the Devs keep us informed. This can't be compared to other MMOs and doesn't go without saying.
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redd kreed
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:25:00 -
[694]
as a software developer who has lead several large projects, one or two of which have been critical LOB systems, i can tell you from experience...these things happen. that's it. that's development. that's how it goes.
i'm sure CCP will have a postmortem when all this dust has settled (and, yes, it *will* settle) and they will look back and figure what they could/should have done better. * perhaps a little more QA, but even that won't catch everything. * definately timing! 2am tuesday's normally works well. or whenever you have the longest lull time. * communication!! i think this is the only area where i would hold CCP to fault. you *have* to keep your clients (us) informed. tell everything. even if the client doesnt fully understand, give them the benefit of the doubt and fill them in with *all* the details.
finally, as a paying customer you have the right to be upset, but know that ****ing and moaning won't make the bugs vanish any quicker. and if this downtime has ruined your weekend, then i would hazard (most respectfully, of course) that you probably lack a life. 
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riprjak
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:25:00 -
[695]
First, Cheers to CCP and the team for their hard work and EXCELLENT communication.
There has been a marked increase in the quality and timeliness of information regarding game issues over the past 3 months and I am bloody well impressed.
It is a little dissapointing to me, as an engineer, that their testing seems ineffective; but that is not to say that effective testing is easy. It would be nice to see them devote some man hours to developing some software testing agents that use our REAL access data (from the live database, they KNOW what we do to a server) and some GA's to optimise for maximum load so that the test server gets hammered more solidly than the real thing. That is how we test vehicle ABS systems, using the telemetry we download from the ABS system in cars during service to build test models of stressful behaviour. Course, that only works if the test hardware and OS environment is identical to the production environment.
Sure, its not likely to happen considering the limited resources CCP have. There is always a chance they might read this and think that, perhaps, Im not an idiot and a rigorous load simulation system might not be a bad idea :)
Anyway, cheers again to the obviously hard work and the excellent communication! Here's hoping they solve the issues before I run out of weekend :)
err! Jak.
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John Hoe
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:26:00 -
[696]
Dear Konso
Why dont you just shut up allready ! We get your point !
Why dont you just cancel your subscription, and leave the rest off us alone.
Then its over and done with.. the pain is over... right ..
Thank you very much !
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Trokiel
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:33:00 -
[697]
Originally by: redd kreed as a software developer who has lead several large projects, one or two of which have been critical LOB systems, i can tell you from experience...these things happen. that's it. that's development. that's how it goes.
i'm sure CCP will have a postmortem when all this dust has settled (and, yes, it *will* settle) and they will look back and figure what they could/should have done better. * perhaps a little more QA, but even that won't catch everything. * definately timing! 2am tuesday's normally works well. or whenever you have the longest lull time. * communication!! i think this is the only area where i would hold CCP to fault. you *have* to keep your clients (us) informed. tell everything. even if the client doesnt fully understand, give them the benefit of the doubt and fill them in with *all* the details.
finally, as a paying customer you have the right to be upset, but know that ****ing and moaning won't make the bugs vanish any quicker. and if this downtime has ruined your weekend, then i would hazard (most respectfully, of course) that you probably lack a life. 
I agree about the lack of life. Go outside and do something, read a book, glue your face to the boobtube, or just do something else in general.
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Comander Bobby
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:33:00 -
[698]
BUGS are certainly aparent. I have been trying too use the sensor booster ECCM for gangs too boost an allied ships sensors like the spot and pircing eccm. THey used too work lol now they do not work. and IF u lock the ship and turn them on they shut right back off in like 2 seconds and that even if they do sucessfully turn on. NO GUYS its not lag. THey are acting like a ECM too mess up tracking /or unlock a target ship. I have used these since the RMR patch came out since gurstice now ECM U. They used too work fine too overcome Jamming. I have an ALT that I do gurstice missions with and worked everytime. NOW they dont do nothing and like i said thats even if they do turn on ebcause sometimes they wont... U can click on them 10-15 times and they wont turn on - I know this because I have done it. I tried too submitt a BUG report but for some reason it wont submit. SO aparently I didnt. The Gurstice missions never jammed be b4 but now is a pain cause getting jammed more than ever. I used 3 total 2 types. the spot eccm which i believe is 115% boost and pircing ECCM x2 which is 110% i believe and 335% b4 the stacking penelity was enough for about everything incl the Gurstice Extravaganza. NOW...... its a waste of time till they are fixed. THX COmander Bobby
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SibSpi
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:33:00 -
[699]
Everyone stop for a second. Breath, relax, chill.
As much as some of you may want to moan that CCP are charging you for a service that is now unavailable to you, consider the fact that the exact same happens when something in YOUR 'real life' prevents you from playing.
I somehow doubt you're asking the person/company/event responsible for keeping you from playing EVE for compensation.
I live in South Africa. We currently have power cuts almost as frequently as the EVE servers have a hiccup, due to Eskom, our power provider, not managing their Nuclear Reactor properly. I'm not about to ask them to compensate me for any training time/game time lost from not having any power ;)
Bugs in this game are a fact of life after a patch. They'll be here the next time the game gets a major content update and/or system overhaul, and will always be here. For now, the best you can do as the player, is just sit back and hope that everything gets sorted out.
And for all those of you who might moan that you're losing ships in combat due to the problems - CCP didn't tell you to go out and fight, did they? CCP didn't tell you to enter that system with the traffic issues, did they? CCP ALSO didn't tell you to engage in hostile activities, when you KNOW there are problems with the server, did they?
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Caeles Dominium
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:35:00 -
[700]
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: Jacob Etienne
Originally by: septicwomble
Sheesh if everyone were to submit BUGS then the forum would break. Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
See, in what way is that constructive? Its sad, pathetic and entirely useless to anyone and everyone. You got a problem with something i say in here, PM me, or gank me in the game. Dont ***** even more in a topic you have already fouled with childish rants.
Yay !!!!! childish rants......merely stress relief..... Glad your ****ed.... Kisses.
If it is such a bother to you, septic and the rest of you whining little Schei¯e, then cancel your accounts and get the Hell out of our faces. CCP is doing a fine job, and if you had any understanding on how running a game like this works, then you would change your tune. "But I'm paying for a service that I'm not getting!" Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel justified in trying to make your whiny-ass selves heard.
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Amateratsu
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:35:00 -
[701]
I've noted the following bugs since patch.
1) undocking to find my ship and station invisible (not rendered) 2) overview not updating, displaying out of date / incorrect / duplicate information 3) my drones when launched no longer have the green star indicating they belong to me/my corp 4) spontaneous connection to server losses / CTD's (crash to desktop) 5) heavy intermitant lag spikes
I apologise if these issues have already been posted. there are far too many posts to read though.
the most annoying issue is recovering drones after a disconnect... having to manually fly to within 1500m of each drone and scoop it up, especially if its burried amonst several asteroids, getting in range can ve very painstaking. a command to recall my stray drones after a disconnect would be much apreciated.
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Lenus Daragio
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:39:00 -
[702]
Yes it's annoying with all the downtimes, but sitting here and ****ing about it isn't going to help.
And besides, what company would be stupid enough NOT to put some money into PR, those guys don't know how to code anyways, what's putting them in front of a computer going to help...? Oh ya... nothing.
Let the people who program at CCP fix their mistakes and get on with it.
Yes, you pay for the service, but if CCP suspended billing.. . well, then, you may not be able to play at all. They may be raking in Millions a month, but what you don't really understand is how much it really takes to run a datacenter such like the one EVE is hosted in. You're talking networking equipment that runs in the tens of thousands of dollars... and sometimes this stuff breaks, not to mention their bill for what they use on the internet...
So please, calm down, CCP IS pooring more resources into getting this sorted out, which means they're hiring new people to help sort out the problems and get them fixed, complaining doesn't help... or really hurt them getting the problem fixed. I'm sure that the coders have been getting chewed out for quite a while now by their superiors... let them do their job, and try not to add insult to injury.
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Fillmeup
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:44:00 -
[703]
Originally by: Xyrith Zevyr That's just nice - someone coined the same phrase I did, regarding the "breath of fresh air". I will agree with that person though, if you can't cope with this level of customer service, then indeed nothing can satisfy you. I am a developer, a programmer. I have a good idea of what they're doing behind the scenes, since I've done it too. I can't tell you how many times I've had to pull a MUD down just to boot it up with a little tool known as "Valgrind", just to see where the heck a memory leak is coming from. Code up a fix, try it out on my own isolated testing machine, apply it to the test port hoping for testers, and finally try to push it live to minimize the damage of the leak. Sometimes it doesn't always go as planned. A leak may show itself in one place, which may indeed contain an error, but that's not always the root of it. Take a car for example: Lets say your car isn't starting. You find that all the gas leaked out of your tank - so you fix the tank, and fill it back up. Still doesn't start... Well the debris from the punctured tank just clogged your gas filter or fuel pump inlet. Two problems, one obvious side effect.
To wrap this up, I ask those flaming CCP and trolling the forums to please do me one favor: Go out, have a beer if you're able, and relax. Drink one for the GMs that are giving up their ability to do just that. Have some tolerance for human error, and perhaps even review your own actions. In the past week, have you been perfect? In your life, how many mistakes have you made that has cost someone, something, money? Did you know that the monthly fee, in US dollars, works out to be almost 50 cents a day? How much money has CCP really cost you, personally? Also, when you mention that the GMs come here and delete posts, consider this: If you folks wouldn't make such offensive posts, they wouldn't have to divert time to come here and moderate as much. Instead of telling us what you're going to do, why not just do it?
Keep up the good work CCP. I'm impressed, and it's hard to impress me. If you ever open up an office in Northeastern Pennsylvania (USA), let me know and I'll drop off a resume. :)
-- Jonathan "Xyrith" Walker
A pleasant surprise .... one of the few on these forums who actually know what they are talking about 
Forever whining does not solve anything, it just furthers the proof that some of us have no concept of reality. QA testing something that ordinarily has up to 20,000 users on it is a difficult thing to do, even with automated tools and stress tests. It is almost impossible to do this, so when it goes wrong, I am hardly surprised.
I am not a fanboy, however I am also realistic. This stuff happens from time to time.
Imagine if those venting to the degree that they have on this bug-report post actually went and did something useful for that time, the world would definitely be a better place For me, it's not worth my time to complain - I have lots of other things more constructive I can do with my time.
CCP has, to date, the best customer service and the least problems out of any MMO that I have experienced. Yes it annoys me from time to time, but hey, I take a chill pill and move on. They can have the $1.50 or so these last few days have cost me as long as it helps them sort it out for everyone's advantage.
Oh, and to make this valid - just before the last reboot, I launched all of my drones and they all dissapeared into thin air on their way to a NPC 
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Imhothar Xarodit
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:45:00 -
[704]
Quite a good description Xyrith.
A memory alocation problem is probably the worst thing that can happen. There are lots of situations that can cause memory leaks and such. Some are obvious, for others you need hours and hours to find where and why they are generated. Memory leaks could be the reason why the servers are rebooted so often. A memory leak is just a portion of memory that isn't used by the program anymore but also isnt't released. So the memory consumption of the program grows and grows until there is no more memory available. And at this point the server decides to kick people to free up memory. Now the Devs say "if we reboot we have a fresh period where players can login so we can continue testing and debugging to find this darn bug".
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Xyrith Zevyr
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:49:00 -
[705]
I really shouldn't do this - but if you want a prime example of how a memory leak works, get EQ2 and play it for a few hours. :)
Currently, my roommate and I have both noticed that client memory consumption swells until the program crashes with an out of memory error.
Cheers ;)
-- Jonathan "Xyrith" Walker
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septicwomble
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:49:00 -
[706]
Originally by: Caeles Dominium
Originally by: septicwomble
Originally by: Jacob Etienne
Originally by: septicwomble
Sheesh if everyone were to submit BUGS then the forum would break. Hehehehe your a silly man/woman/vegetable please tick appropiate.
See, in what way is that constructive? Its sad, pathetic and entirely useless to anyone and everyone. You got a problem with something i say in here, PM me, or gank me in the game. Dont ***** even more in a topic you have already fouled with childish rants.
Yay !!!!! childish rants......merely stress relief..... Glad your ****ed.... Kisses.
If it is such a bother to you, septic and the rest of you whining little Schei¯e, then cancel your accounts and get the Hell out of our faces. CCP is doing a fine job, and if you had any understanding on how running a game like this works, then you would change your tune. "But I'm paying for a service that I'm not getting!" Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel justified in trying to make your whiny-ass selves heard.
Time for bed..... Night night. I'm glad you got that of your chest..... I can sleep well knowing your as small as me in letting such a trivial thing make you so p*ssed... Lighten up afterall its just a game 
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Soulita
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:51:00 -
[707]
Its the same everytime. CCP puts out a patch with new content which needs a while to get running smoothly. And people complain about the unscheduled downtimes which might happen and want their money back.
I am normaly critical of a lot of stuff, but I just dont get it. CCP IS WORKING ON GETTING STUFF FIXED, what more can you ask??
Also thx CCP for continuing to put in new content, and gl on finding the rotten memory leak.
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schoischs
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:55:00 -
[708]
oh please let the devs do they work. i can feel with the devs i know how hard it will be lost a production enviroment. an hear lots of "blabla" from users they don¦t understand the problem of networking or developing or "ghosts-in-the-machines" :)
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Darkward
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:58:00 -
[709]
Well, one thing has to be mentioned.
Almost everytime an update/upgrade happens there are problems. Not quiet shure if this has to be, from my professional life, I know quiet a bit about computer systems and things around it. I also know that there are many uncertainty in such systems. But with experience you learn to overcome those.
Right now, I think there is some lack in quality and experience. Quality in meaning that there should be some established procedures for testing. To me it looks very much like that one is definitely missing.
Experience, I give the folks at CCP credit for that, the current hardware is probably very new for them. However such systems are being used all over the world, so such experience could have been hired.
(Don't ask me for it I'm busy already )
- DW Win XP/SP2 2GB RAM, P4 3.2, Radeon 9600XT |

tbow10
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Posted - 2006.03.05 01:05:00 -
[710]
random droping when comming through a gate or undocking. And the system shut down in fleet movments. If you jumped in a camped gate to fight and it closed in the middle or somthing or while you were in so you couldnt' get out it could cause problems. Expessuly if it wouldn't unlock becouse of the numbers in 1 system.
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Lenus Daragio
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Posted - 2006.03.05 01:56:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Darkward Well, one thing has to be mentioned.
Almost everytime an update/upgrade happens there are problems. Not quiet shure if this has to be, from my professional life, I know quiet a bit about computer systems and things around it. I also know that there are many uncertainty in such systems. But with experience you learn to overcome those.
Right now, I think there is some lack in quality and experience. Quality in meaning that there should be some established procedures for testing. To me it looks very much like that one is definitely missing.
Experience, I give the folks at CCP credit for that, the current hardware is probably very new for them. However such systems are being used all over the world, so such experience could have been hired.
(Don't ask me for it I'm busy already )
- DW
This is very true, with experience, comes more and more certainty, which just goes to show how smooth some of the latest patches went, however, with new servers, this introduces a new level of uncertainty, as the way the servers handle the load will change, and things of the nature of network balancing...
However, I think this time the problem was within the software developement of the game, we're not really getting too much poor service, as much as we're getting bugs and the sort.
As for the lack of quality and experience, this is quite possible, but can be expected in a normal corporations employee turnover, especially when these figures are high. I'm sure CCP will be looking into better ways to prepare their new employees for the job at hand in the future if this is the problem.
Guys, you KNOW CCP is losing money whenever they have downtime... Why? Because people get mad, but you need to try and understand the complexity of what is at hand before you judge. Sometimes things that are completely unforseen happen, such as the memory hole.
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slabby
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Posted - 2006.03.05 02:23:00 -
[712]
mining foreman link - laser optimization module doesn't seem to affect the yield of strip miners? oversight or bug? can't make an ingame petition since it isn't working
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Iskai
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Posted - 2006.03.05 02:42:00 -
[713]
Originally by: BigZeus
another genius response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
I sincerely hope that you don't work in software development with that sort of attitude towards QA.
"I think it'll work, lets make it live. We can always patch."
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Imhothar Xarodit
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Posted - 2006.03.05 02:48:00 -
[714]
Originally by: Iskai
Originally by: BigZeus
another genius response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
I sincerely hope that you don't work in software development with that sort of attitude towards QA.
"I think it'll work, lets make it live. We can always patch."
There are errors that can be detected before deploying a software, but some can't. They occur after a program is running for some hours with huge loads of data to be processed. And these errors are the ones that make the life of Devs and QA so difficult.
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.03.05 03:13:00 -
[715]
Originally by: Amateratsu
3) my drones when launched no longer have the green star indicating they belong to me/my corp
Overview Settings -> Appearance -> Apply to Ships Only (Uncheck)
I had the same problem.
However, once and a while, the stations will temporarily become part of my corp. 
I'm getting a lot of Overview corruption in general: invalid tagging, distances don't refresh, etc.
Andargor
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IHaveTenFingers
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Posted - 2006.03.05 03:38:00 -
[716]
The Hardware Upgrade has been completed, Tranquility has returned. A small patch is necessary to connect to the new hardware. The Autopatcher will update your client, or the patch may be downloaded for manual patching here. Welcome to a new EVE
Thats right. A newer, less reliable, and more frustrating EVE.
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Brungar
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Posted - 2006.03.05 05:49:00 -
[717]
Originally by: septicwomble
another genious response from sombody who has no idea about anything thats going on here, these type of things can only be tested and fixed on a trial and error basis, there is simply no possible way to predict how a server and it's software is goign to react unless it's going live and under the normal server load it will be required to handle, did you even read my above post you idiot?
Well, trial and error on a systme that should rake in 50k per day, is a rather painful thing.
I'm sure if our contract was an availability based one (i.e. we pay for uptime, with uptime defined as 'also works properly'), they WOULD find a new test regime.
Right now, the incentive to do it right is indirect, through customer satisfaction. In my experience incentives that translate directly to cash beat this hands down.
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Brungar
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Posted - 2006.03.05 05:54:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit
There are errors that can be detected before deploying a software, but some can't. They occur after a program is running for some hours with huge loads of data to be processed. And these errors are the ones that make the life of Devs and QA so difficult.
That's only in part an excuse. There's always ways to test more extensively, e.g. building an infrastructure to generate a data load. Question is, how much budget do you have available to do this? Does it seem to make economic sense, or does it seem over the top? Etc.
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Will22
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Posted - 2006.03.05 06:04:00 -
[719]
Edited by: Will22 on 05/03/2006 06:10:17 Now i dont know wether or not my problem has to do with this whole downtime mojo, but as soon as i click on the eve.exe or the shortcut it shows the absolutly terrific picture of those couple of ships souring towards the sun and past that planet to the right.. and then it just stops,crahes, F**ks up
ive reinstalled the game 3 times now and i have manually installed the patch so im pretty sure its not that... another reason as to why im sure its not that is because it worked perfectly b4 this whole downtime crap.
so yeh... ive been reading about other people's bug problems and im just not sure if my problm is to do with that or if its just cos God dosnt like me :S :P...
anyways if any1 has the same perdiciment or knows about it, please shed some light onto it :D
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Tyberous Scott
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Posted - 2006.03.05 07:39:00 -
[720]
I have noticed an error that may or may nto have been listed, but after reading page after page of whines I got tired of trying to track it down. I apologize if this has been listed but figure its not going to take any more space than the whines.
When setting a can to default to unlocked it works with 1 item at a time but if you select multiple and place it in the can it still sets as locked.
(can being station cans)
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.03.05 08:14:00 -
[721]
Keep up the good work CCP, Its gotta be hard.
I am still undeterred, as What I have is the most involving online game ever created . Well done CCP and others. I know it'll be good when its ready !
If everybody slowly Reintegrated into the game after patch day these problems wouldn't have half as many upset people as there is.
My rule for Surviving patch day is simple.
Don't bother for a couple days, get some excercise and ask out that girl at work you've been after for so long and if it all goes to pot, come back to Eve and Then start trying out the new patch.
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Countess Oracle
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Posted - 2006.03.05 08:23:00 -
[722]
At some point shouldnt you say there are too damn many bugs, the clients are being affected beyond a reasonable amount, and revert to the working version?
I mean for 8 hours now I have been sitting waiting with many other players to go through Urlen gate. That is kind of rediculous. I have played other games and so have many of these players. Every game I played there was some patch that went wrong in every way. In almost everyone of those cases they simply reverted the patch and went back to work on it.
I am sure there is a certain point that you get to before you decide this, maybe they havent reached that point. But as a programmer, I know once you start making too many changes trying to find out where the problem is you end up breaking more things than you fix and eventually have to start at scratch.
I hope they just have some kind of plan to either fix it, or give up on it and go back to the drawing board because I am seeing one hell of a lot of bugs listed here, along with quite a number of service stoppages.
Good Luck CCP!
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.05 08:56:00 -
[723]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/03/2006 08:58:09
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Keep up the good work CCP, Its gotta be hard.
I am still undeterred, as What I have is the most involving online game ever created . Well done CCP and others. I know it'll be good when its ready !
If everybody slowly Reintegrated into the game after patch day these problems wouldn't have half as many upset people as there is.
My rule for Surviving patch day is simple.
Don't bother for a couple days, get some excercise and ask out that girl at work you've been after for so long and if it all goes to pot, come back to Eve and Then start trying out the new patch.
Probably will get you rejected both from EVE and the girl at the same day...how is that helping? 
Still cant login to the game. This is sad.
--- "Automatic override. Manual control overridden by autopilot. Please wait for operation to complete. You can override the automatic autopilot override in 28 seconds. Then you can make it wait" |

babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:00:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit
There are errors that can be detected before deploying a software, but some can't. They occur after a program is running for some hours with huge loads of data to be processed. And these errors are the ones that make the life of Devs and QA so difficult.
This is too true. It's also easy to generate a list of functionality you want to test, in whatever scenarios, that grows exponentially - leaving you with several decades worth of test cases. The only real way to test software like this is to give it to users and then fix the errors that crop up as soon as you can. It is possible to make near-perfect software (NASA Space Shuttle control systems for instance), but it is not even remotely economically viable for a video game company. I bet the bugs are fixed within a week or so, maybe some will wait a little longer. That's pretty good going imho.
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darkelator
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:08:00 -
[725]
when should we expect some sort of reply about ongoing problem with caldari asian charachter creation problems or is there some linkage to a statement made by ccp regarding this or is ccp not answering?
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JupiterPSA
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:19:00 -
[726]
to CCP: I HAVE AN IDEA TO FIX EVERYTHING
Take an entire week to fix the bugs, your brand new servers, to add memory, and such things. So EVE will be closed for 1 week.
Players will train long lvl5 skills. Noobs will be refounded with isks. Older players will be refounded with a +20% of their wallet amount. Or with a rare item to sell...or a bpc...or whatever compared to 1 week of eve. or not?
in this way it's not working. i'm sick of paying for a game that doesnt work, stuck in space or in station, continuos server crashes, LAG, BUGS, damn it!
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:26:00 -
[727]
When your travelling and browsing your wallet/market and one of the transactions in wallet / market hasn't completed (eg. market window still loading) and the autopilot jumps out, you have to relog to finish the jump.
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Darkmist Starpain
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:38:00 -
[728]
Originally by: JupiterPSA to CCP: I HAVE AN IDEA TO FIX EVERYTHING
Take an entire week to fix the bugs, your brand new servers, to add memory, and such things. So EVE will be closed for 1 week.
Players will train long lvl5 skills. Noobs will be refounded with isks. Older players will be refounded with a +20% of their wallet amount. Or with a rare item to sell...or a bpc...or whatever compared to 1 week of eve. or not?
in this way it's not working. i'm sick of paying for a game that doesnt work, stuck in space or in station, continuos server crashes, LAG, BUGS, damn it!
Doubt that will happen. I would be very happy if CCP would just make all the ores respawn again as a compensation for all these reboots, unscheduled maintenance and general unplayability of EVE for the past few days. That would make me a happy puppy.  No refunded days or anything silly like BPCs or ISKies, just some nice juicy fat 'roids to ravage. 
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Dominato
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:57:00 -
[729]
My char never logs on it getts stuck in loding... 
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Marquain Calleur
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Posted - 2006.03.05 10:57:00 -
[730]
Disappointing.
I have to say that the Blood patch has revealed once again that CCP is not properly prepared to handle the QA process.
A few errors are always to be expected, but I think anyone will agree that the above reflects more than that. This patch was not properly tested before it was released.
While I think most people appreciate the hard word CCP does to remedy the situation, it has to be said also that they brought this upon themselves. We did not.
This certainly has to be a learning experience for the dev team and especially the QA team. Something is fundamentally wrong with the idea of having the Singularity test cluster, if it cannot be used to identify major, major issues like the above prior to a production release.
A sloppy, unprofessional release like this has to cause some kind of reaction internally at CCP. Something must change somehow, if we are to avoid a similar situation in the future. I'm sure players and developers alike agree with that.
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nimda live
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:26:00 -
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I have same logging in problem.
I select my character and then get as far as "Entering game as Nimda Live"
This stays on the screen for a long while then I end up back at the character selection screen.
This has been happening now for 2 days
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A Brr
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Marquain Calleur Disappointing.
I have to say that the Blood patch has revealed once again that CCP is not properly prepared to handle the QA process.
A few errors are always to be expected, but I think anyone will agree that the above reflects more than that. This patch was not properly tested before it was released.
While I think most people appreciate the hard word CCP does to remedy the situation, it has to be said also that they brought this upon themselves. We did not.
This certainly has to be a learning experience for the dev team and especially the QA team. Something is fundamentally wrong with the idea of having the Singularity test cluster, if it cannot be used to identify major, major issues like the above prior to a production release.
A sloppy, unprofessional release like this has to cause some kind of reaction internally at CCP. Something must change somehow, if we are to avoid a similar situation in the future. I'm sure players and developers alike agree with that.
Usually, testing on singularity sorts the worst things out. But before this patch, whenever i tried to login to Sissi it was either offline, or both of my accounts were stuck at login.
Singularity offline -> no bug reports makes a big diffrence from Singularity online -> no bug reports
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:45:00 -
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yeah hte few days before the patch SISI was down quite a bit they shuld allow testing right up until the last minute. Might help QA to. That said something this complex usually fixed within a week. So u loose some ships just another reason to keep playing to get em back. CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Sivard el'Girgal
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: nimda live I have same logging in problem.
I select my character and then get as far as "Entering game as Nimda Live"
This stays on the screen for a long while then I end up back at the character selection screen.
This has been happening now for 2 days
You are not alone it happens for me too.... 
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Johnny Wiseacre
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:48:00 -
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Please can the mods clear out EVERY post not relating to advising new bugs / responses / fixes ? This thread kicked off saying ranting would be deleted yet there are 27 pages 90+% is non constructive whining and counter-rant.
I was hoping to find some useful info, but after looking at 3-4 pages I think the thread has been killed by the flamers.
Please pretty please Mods can you put out the trash ?
And I won't be offended if my post is a casualty too - so long as the dross is dumped.   
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.03.05 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Fillmeup Forever whining does not solve anything, it just furthers the proof that some of us have no concept of reality. QA testing something that ordinarily has up to 20,000 users on it is a difficult thing to do, even with automated tools and stress tests. It is almost impossible to do this, so when it goes wrong, I am hardly surprised.
I am not a fanboy, however I am also realistic. This stuff happens from time to time.
Imagine if those venting to the degree that they have on this bug-report post actually went and did something useful for that time, the world would definitely be a better place For me, it's not worth my time to complain - I have lots of other things more constructive I can do with my time.
QA is just a neccecary evil, bugs should be stopped dead in their tracks at the development stage in the first place. Software can be made testable, architecures can be made testable, but it has to be done at design and development level (where they cost the least amound of grief and loss of time).
QA for the most part has the job of making sure that what once worked, still works. When new stuff is broken, no one will realy complain much, it will get fixed and thats it. But when working stuff gets messed up you got a mob after you, thats a the real fact of life. Just saying QA can't catch all is like saying we got no control whatsoever over what we deploy.
* Make software testable * Compartimentalise, eg. make a good segragation of stable generic and task specific code. Code for task 1, should not be able to mess up task 2. * Use as much attomic operations as possible, as these are far less phrone to bugs and are also perfectly testable.
With these and some more you can use regression testing alone to see if things still work. The the QA department can just play the game and report if it worls as expected form a user point of view or not.
Don't make life more complicated then absolutely neccecary!
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.05 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration QA is just a neccecary evil, bugs should be stopped dead in their tracks at the development stage in the first place. Software can be made testable, architecures can be made testable, but it has to be done at design and development level (where they cost the least amound of grief and loss of time).
QA for the most part has the job of making sure that what once worked, still works. When new stuff is broken, no one will realy complain much, it will get fixed and thats it. But when working stuff gets messed up you got a mob after you, thats a the real fact of life. Just saying QA can't catch all is like saying we got no control whatsoever over what we deploy.
* Make software testable * Compartimentalise, eg. make a good segragation of stable generic and task specific code. Code for task 1, should not be able to mess up task 2. * Use as much attomic operations as possible, as these are far less phrone to bugs and are also perfectly testable.
With these and some more you can use regression testing alone to see if things still work. Then the QA department can just play the game the fun way and report if it works as expected form a user point of view or not.
Don't make life more complicated then absolutely neccecary!
You can't do that. Okay, in the idealised academic world you can - that's what I was taught at University, but in the real world it doesn't work that way. Let me give a simple example of something I was doing the other day at work:
I had a software release to prepare for a new product I've spent over 2 years writing. I had to test it before release obviously. I developed an SQA to enable me to tick off all the features to at least get some good code coverage cases out of the way. Then I thought this isn't enough. I should do all of those cases with each of the operating systems it's designed to be used with (Win2K, WinXP, various service packs) and then each of the combinations of setup the user can have (SQL server, no SQL server, SQL server on the local network, Office 2K, Office XP, Office 2003, etc., etc.). With over 200 program functions, each with some variant it is obvious that the program will not be fully tested, even if I go through the list ticking things off. Why? Because when you execute function A and then function B, it's possible that there will be a different effect to the execution of function A, function C and then function B. If I wanted to test all possible cases, I would have an combinatorial explosion of such cases on my hands.
Now, our philosophy and that of a lot of code shops is to get it installed and working on the users machine then provide first class support to fix any problems that crop up with patches as soon as possible. It's the most economic way of doing things.
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Hysterica
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Posted - 2006.03.05 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Hysterica on 05/03/2006 13:08:47 It is a fact of modern economic life that the end user becomes part of the QA process. We see it everytime we buy a new gadget, and most of the time it's inadequate testing that's to blame.
In this case the only way to test a 20,000 user system is with 20,000 users and not a small QA team, no matter how much time you've got.
We've paid our subs, and sometimes rain stops play.
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Stephen Jones
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Posted - 2006.03.05 13:22:00 -
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Some suggestions for CCP to avoid problems such as this in the future:
1. Work on making SiSi same as TQ. Do what you have to do. I can give specific suggestions if you want. If SiSi can't be used to test new code in realistic settings, then it is worse then useless as it gives false confidence that code is working. 2. Prepare your infrastructure for quick rollback of a working version. Make that a priority. Don't mess with live production servers as if they were development machines. 3. Create an environment where more information flows from CCP to users. Make coders drop working comments where users can see em. Let the users see the flow of work that leads to a bug fix. Hiding the information does not help ANYONE. Showing it does not hurt, and helps assuage ****ed off users.
There's more, but the other stuff I'd suggest is not immediately relevant to current issues on this thread.
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lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.05 13:22:00 -
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game seems to be just terminating for no resion at all -playing and then woof" gone zero zip ziltch nada nothing"
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.03.05 13:43:00 -
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Pay people in ISK or 'coupons' for Tranq play, to play on singiularity. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever |

Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.03.05 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Inspiration on 05/03/2006 14:15:01 Edited by: Inspiration on 05/03/2006 14:13:49
Originally by: babyblue You can't do that. Okay, in the idealised academic world you can - that's what I was taught at University, but in the real world it doesn't work that way. Let me give a simple example of something I was doing the other day at work:
First of all, i am not form an academic background, but form the real evil world out there in software land.
As for your, it can't be done.....they do it all the time when they design complex stuff like processors, so it does work. Your example just shows the explosion of combinations that is inherit to multiple platformas and installed software with different drivers et.
The server side things of EVE are a controlled environment, this reduces the complexity to the level you allow to rise within your system. If you got atomic functions working on a common resource there is no problem at all, given that the locking/unlocking of those resources works properly.....very testable beforehand even under extreme loads.
Not storing the same value in multiple places (design decission) and use some form of state serialisation or timestaming (both design decissions) also reduce the possible complexity and make things controllable. It also allows for non-incremental values to be shared and communicated between client and server, further reducting issies where they both get a different state. Its an architecure issue realy and CCP controls that from start to finish.
The client side is in that respect more complex then the server side imho, and that is exactly what your example highlighted!
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.05 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration Edited by: Inspiration on 05/03/2006 14:23:40
Originally by: babyblue You can't do that. Okay, in the idealised academic world you can - that's what I was taught at University, but in the real world it doesn't work that way. Let me give a simple example of something I was doing the other day at work:
First of all, I am not from an academic background, but from the real evil world out there in software development land.
As for your, it can't be done.....they do it all the time when they design complex stuff like processors, so it does work. Your example just shows the explosion of combinations that is inherit to multiple platforms and installed software with different drivers et.
The server side things of EVE are a more controlled environment, this reduces the complexity to the level you allow to rise within your system. If you got atomic functions working on a common resource there is no problem at all, given that the locking/unlocking of those resources works properly.....very testable beforehand even under simulated extreme loads.
Not storing the same value in multiple places (design decission) and use some form of state serialisation or timestamping (both design decissions) also reduce the possible complexity and make things controllable. It also allows for non-incremental values to be shared and communicated between client and server, further reducting issues where they both get a different state. Its an architecure issue realy and CCP controls that from start to finish.
The client side is in that respect more complex then the server side imho, and that is exactly what your example highlighted, but it's not where the bugs are.
Of course they use timestamping and serialisation. They aren't design decisions as if there were some alternative. They are integral to providing any software that allows more than one person to interact with a state store concurrently. They do not "do it all the time with processors", in point of fact most processors have design faults or erratas that operating systems software like Windows have to work around. I think there are 86 such design faults in an Athlon (something like that), just as many in Intel processors. It's too complex to be perfectly designed without an infinite amount of resource and Eve is just the same. Also consider the billions of dollars spent on designing things like processors and you'll get some idea of just how difficult it is to get it right.
As for your explosion of combinations in multiple platforms, the server is not isolated from the clients. They are all part of one immensely complex system. The possibilities in combination if you want to test EVERYTHING is frankly incalculable.
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BlackKnight
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Posted - 2006.03.05 14:32:00 -
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The "minor" database issue is obviously significantly larger than Kieron has eluded to att he beginning of this thread. Once again this morning, we are being subjected to another server restart. These restarts are impeding upon the time to play the game. The system has not even been up 2.75 hours since DT. Are we safet o make an assumption that we will be suffering through multiple restarts during the 23 hours that the game is up and functioning marginally?
TIA....
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Inspiration on 05/03/2006 15:03:26 @babyblue:
I am not claiming that processors with hundreds of millions of switching transistors are flawless, but they are vastly more complex then anything EVE can become as a game. Yet those bugs you mention are nearly all very strange combinations, not encountered in normal software, so they can be patched. Whats more they can usualy be patched within the processor itself (something the BIOS controls at startup).
Anyway, my whole point is that by careful design you dont have to test every posisble combination. You only have to test the functions thempselfs and the points of interaction between all functions (usualy some resource or RELEVANT state) to proove the code works. Thats the smart part of it and it can largely be automated when disigning with this in mind. State details can even be monitored while the game runs to detect issues that would go unnoticed when a human observer would test.
As for using serialisation, yes, I buy that EVE uses it to a degree. EVE doing timestamping, managing a coherent state between client and server...hell no, proove abound. This causes a class of problems on its own, like not be able to warp, unable to open a can, while you are in fact close enaugh, etc. Things that happen frequently to many users.
Ever noticed the system reporting contradicting times? The forum sometimes differs minutes from the game, fair enaugh, not critical. But even in the game itself the shutdown time not always matches the clock for example. These are typical pieces of information you expect to match in a system that does timestamping and maintaining a coherent state.
Fix the root cause of those issues, and you fix more then you expect!
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:16:00 -
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I have no doubt they are working very hard on solving the issues people so lets not be too harsh.
But i do hope ccp will acknowledge the people who have lost skilltime cause they couldn't log in (i was one of the lucky people who managed to set himself a long skill last night)
And perhaps a valuable lesson to be learned in this? Free content patches are fine, but i think it's time to look at your testing, perhaps give patches another layer of testing, 1st testing in house, then on the testserver, then say a 1 or 2 day full scale live test on tranq, then another long downtime where they fix the problems that emerge. that or make the 1st downtime last longer.
So now we have all our personal systems cleared by posting our rants and whines in this forum perhaps it's time to start posing possible ideas and fixes and be constructive again.
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:19:00 -
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wow, looks like 27 pages of the same "unfair this is bs wah" that happens during the standard breaking-in period for a patch on top of new hardware.
Everyone take a deep breath...
I'd like to address the actual content of the patch rather than any hardware issues...specifically,
1. the "cancel job fix" which is a bit odd in my opinion...firstly I've heard people say that if you cancel a build job right near the end you not only don't get the item, you don't get your mins back either. If that is the case, why offer the cancel job option? It's more of a "punish player for changing mind button" by the sound of it. Also, I don't see the rationale for not moving up the start time of jobs queued behind a cancelled job. This is not something that should cause continual polling for cancelled jobs causing server strain, the jobs for a slot at a given facility would have to be listed somewhere, what possible hardship could it be if player A cancels a job with 25 days left, all jobs for that slot have the variables representing their time to start/time to end moved up 25 days. Not being willing to do this speaks to me, "we gave you a cancel button, but stand firm behind the time sink aspect of limited slots, and you shall wait the full time even if someone ahead of you cancels." Hardly a boon to manufacturing or research.
2. the "configure container fix" is only half done! Setting a station container to default to "unlocked" items only works for 1 item added to the container at a time! More than one item selected and dropped in the same container still land in it locked! This is not a fix! How often does someone need to take 1 item and put it in their station containers...then compare that to the overwhelming number of times someone will be "select all" or selecting many and dragging a bunch of ore, modules, trade goods, etc all at once into a container. FIX THIS please, for those of us waiting for this fix, this half-fix is a slap in the face.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration Edited by: Inspiration on 05/03/2006 15:03:26
Anyway, my whole point is that by careful design you dont have to test every posisble combination. You only have to test the functions thempselfs and the points of interaction between all functions (usualy some resource or RELEVANT state) to proove the code works. Thats the smart part of it and it can largely be automated when disigning with this in mind. State details can even be monitored while the game runs to detect issues that would go unnoticed when a human observer would test.
What you are talking about is a perfect design, which is of course an academic, theoretical entity. If you are not talking about a perfect design, then you are talking about a perfect implementation, such that the perfect design is reflected in the final product, or modified until the final product is perfect. Yes, that is possible, when you have a billion dollar budget.
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As for using serialisation, yes, I buy that EVE uses it to a degree. EVE doing timestamping, managing a coherent state between client and server...hell no, proove abound. This causes a class of problems on its own, like not be able to warp, unable to open a can, while you are in fact close enaugh, etc. Things that happen frequently to many users.
It depends what you need to timestamp. There is transient state, which can be stored on a node and there is permanent state, which needs a record in the database. You can be sure that the latter has a timestamp on it. As for the former, the system doesn't know your current state unless your client sends it. This constant chatter between them means that one may always be out of sync inbetween send and receive. It wouldn't be too difficult to introduce a bug that might cause a cargo container state you experienced to happen. But it is a fixable bug. Unless your clocks are perfectly in sync' your timestamp can only be 99.99999% correct in any case.
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Brad Stone
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: JupiterPSA to CCP: I HAVE AN IDEA TO FIX EVERYTHING
Take an entire week to fix the bugs, your brand new servers, to add memory, and such things. So EVE will be closed for 1 week.
How will that help? TYhey only SEE the issues when there are thousands of users logged on.
Memory leaks are notoriously hard to detect and fix. Even tools such as Purify or IBM's ZeroFault it's still tricky.
Patience, we'll get thru this and out the other side. I'm sure CCP are doing everyting possibles... I hear shares in all companies that manufacture Caffeine releated products are shooting up in Iceland 
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Horad
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:29:00 -
[750]
anyone who knows a MMORPG with the same gameplay but with a lot less bugs?
and no, WoW is not an option!
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Jenjuan
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:29:00 -
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I think one of the problems they have is that the Test Cluster only consists of a single node. They should take the old hardware, create a much larger test bed that includes perhaps 5 to 10 nodes, and then when they're about to release a new patch, make an announcment that they need at least 1000 or so volunteers to test, so they have a much more comprehensive real world test. With that being said, one other problem is that now, you require a separate installation with the latest test bed client to run it, they should make this a bit more automatic, to where that's a seperate Icon to run the "Test Client" in the Eve Folder. Both the "Test Client" and the "Real Client" can be pushed through on updates so that people don't need to run a seperate installation for that. [url=http://profile.xfire.com/jenjuan][/url] |

Talamasi Coranado
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:31:00 -
[752]
um i just got on, why is the server down?
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Horad
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kantar I still dont understand why this patch as been rush up full of bugs.....WHO give a TOSS about new Bloodline anyway!!!!!
Indeed, I never played eve for some stupid character portrait!
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Tal Decius
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kantar I still dont understand why this patch as been rush up full of bugs.....WHO give a TOSS about new Bloodline anyway!!!!!
Come on man, it's not hard to understand. There's a problem with the code that is very, VERY hard for them to track down, that is causing the servers to run out of memory. In order to find the problem, they have to duplicate the problems, then do forensic analysis on a server when it dies.
This *whole* thing could be the down to one single problem with one single line of code. But which one line of code is it?
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.05 15:49:00 -
[755]
Originally by: Tal Decius
Originally by: Kantar I still dont understand why this patch as been rush up full of bugs.....WHO give a TOSS about new Bloodline anyway!!!!!
Come on man, it's not hard to understand. There's a problem with the code that is very, VERY hard for them to track down, that is causing the servers to run out of memory. In order to find the problem, they have to duplicate the problems, then do forensic analysis on a server when it dies.
This *whole* thing could be the down to one single problem with one single line of code. But which one line of code is it?
No, it's poor planning and bad customer service.
Bloodlines content should have been in a seperate patch than the rest ot the content/fixes in this patch. If this was so, they could have and would have rolled-back. Now they stuck between a rock and a hard place because they cannot rollback due to all the new Blood chars created not being seperable from the rest of the patch.
Call it load testing all you want... 3 days of this ****, CCP would roll-back to save face if they could.
Yes we all know they are working hard, I do not dispute that, i'd be ****ting my pants if i were any one of them on the line.
Even still, its FINALLY about time some good Customer Service stepped up.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:03:00 -
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It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to express the same unhelpful, uninformed, and ill-mannered opinions.
On the bright side, in the days after a patch comes out and the game is unstable for a while, these forums give the veteran players something to come and have a chuckle about.
And yes, we do get together privately and make fun of the more assinine posters.
Eventually you will learn, in the unique game enviroment that is EVE there are going to be problems for a few days after patch day... and the announcements to set a long skill training and leave it on until things settle down are serious. Lengthy (and incredibly uniformed) posts about how customer service or QA testing should be done tend to make you look far less competent than reflecting on the CCP team in any way. But hey, they are good for a laugh.  Patch day always brings out the same 2 types of people. 1: "I'm an IT expert in RL, and they have done this all wrong" type. 2: "I'm a paying customer, fix it immediately or I quit" type. |

TheSickness
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:13:00 -
[757]
Ok, after the lasted reboot, i tried to delete 3 characters i made last night for test purposes. Every tine i hit the ( are you sure you want to reprocess this character button) i lock up at the end of the sliding bar, when it reaches the end, Eve stops working, i tried going to a dif character and he wont pull up. I rebooted Eve and my pc 3 times and it didnt help.
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Vapid Gallentaki
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:18:00 -
[758]
I agree that we know there will be issues, but why patch on the WEEKEND and cause those issues when most people have free time to play? It would be better to patch during the week...
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TheSickness
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:19:00 -
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Because the game isnt playable atm, and they know if they dont work on it now, people will not get to play at all.
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Tal Decius
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:31:00 -
[760]
Originally by: King Size No, it's poor planning and bad customer service.
Bloodlines content should have been in a seperate patch than the rest ot the content/fixes in this patch. If this was so, they could have and would have rolled-back. Now they stuck between a rock and a hard place because they cannot rollback due to all the new Blood chars created not being seperable from the rest of the patch.
Spoken, truly, like someone who doesn't write software for a living.
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Ser Erris
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Inspiration
Anyway, my whole point is that by careful design you dont have to test every posisble combination. You only have to test the functions thempselfs and the points of interaction between all functions (usualy some resource or RELEVANT state) to proove the code works. Thats the smart part of it and it can largely be automated when disigning with this in mind. State details can even be monitored while the game runs to detect issues that would go unnoticed when a human observer would test.
You are one of those guys, who Programm stuff, wich does not work, cause you only test the software in such a manner, as you intend it should work. You will never get all those errors wich will occure in the wild life, cause the stupid users will do some thing you never tought of in you wildest dreams.
And then you will tell em:
Ehh, the software was never build for those things, you try to do.
Best example for such a Softwaredevelopement ist Veritas Software now known as Symantec and Microsoft.
Ser
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Geronimo Jones
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Posted - 2006.03.05 16:51:00 -
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Look, I am not going to get into raising hell over something that I know is being worked on, but come on...when you pay for something, you have every right in the world to expect a good service. Go to McDonalds and order a BigMac. When you get your food you discover that they gave you a waffle. Their reply is that hey, we own the restaurant and this is what youre gonna get. I cant like that. Wasnt that long ago that we were all having these same issues with the RMR patch. Heres an idea: When they finally get this right, how about leaving it the hell alone? Why do we hafta keep having patches every three months, lol? I am conident that they are working their tails off to resolve this, but maybe the real key here is not to patch as often. Spend more time with patches in test servers.
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lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: lasarith on 05/03/2006 17:18:37 idear- why dont they quickly write a subrotene to shut down a node once it reaches 90% leekage -and give a 5 min shut down warring,
hopefully they will find out the problem from that??
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Countess Oracle
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tal Decius
Originally by: Kantar I still dont understand why this patch as been rush up full of bugs.....WHO give a TOSS about new Bloodline anyway!!!!!
Come on man, it's not hard to understand. There's a problem with the code that is very, VERY hard for them to track down, that is causing the servers to run out of memory. In order to find the problem, they have to duplicate the problems, then do forensic analysis on a server when it dies.
This *whole* thing could be the down to one single problem with one single line of code. But which one line of code is it?
Are you seriously going to suggest that there is A SINGLE problem with the code?
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:25:00 -
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Just to check, is The Forge completely bugged to hell atm? Not complaining, just I created a new character (Power of 2 ftw), can;t log them in and I dont know if it's me or the servers...
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Pieboy
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:47:00 -
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I get to charecter select screen and whichever char I select I get the message "failed" and booted back to select screen
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Sarah Amethos
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sarah Amethos on 05/03/2006 17:48:58
Originally by: Countess Oracle Are you seriously going to suggest that there is A SINGLE problem with the code?
That's very possible. The conditions I've seen (and have been reported by the devs) are similiar to those of a swap/RAM failure on a computer. Simple really: when a machine runs out of RAM, bad things happen that can't be explained because data starts becoming lost and disorganized. This problem could very easily be created by one erroenous line of code. For example:
if (somevariable == 1) ... is good. if (somevariable = 1) ... is a typo, and would create a situation where things would happen where they shouldn't. I'll spare you the technical arglebargle, but in this case, the "if case" is ALWAYS true. This could cause a leak in a heartbeat.
Yeah, a lot of hot air, but yes, it could be one line in the code that is causing this. A single problem.
...it's probably not though. 
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.03.05 17:51:00 -
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i have got 2 accounts. my first account was created on july, and my main character is on molden heath. no problem for him, except the lag.
my second account is a power of 2 account. of course, he is an achura monk. so he is sitting on kisogo trying to finish his learning skills. right now he is loosing training time cause i cant even log in. it always says "failed".
so what should i do? my longest skill was 8 hours. i had 3 of them. i have trained 2 of them until there was only 1 hour left. then i switch to a longer one, in case the server went bad. so 10 hours ago, i only got 1 skill longer than 8 hours. i put that one to train. and i have been trying to log in to change the skill for 3 hours now. no luck. always failed.
the first account is fine. i can play, do missions... but not on the second. it is really frustrating. i tried training long skills. i know what patch days are. but it is a new character and it doesnt have any more long skills to train.
i wish ccp would give new accounts 100k skill points as a compensation.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:19:00 -
[769]
From what I have read so far, the problems on TQ aren't being replicated on the test server. Is the new TQ hardware different from the test hardware? Could that be why the problems were not detected?
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cirya
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:34:00 -
[770]
Originally by: Sparls Maybe you guys should know that usually after every patch their are problems... Ya I'm addicted too but the point is is that we all know eve has problems.. just deal with it. Nothing we can do, they will fix it shortly im guessing.
there have been problems befor but nothing this massive or long lasting. oh minor things yes but this is a major foopa
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cirya
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:37:00 -
[771]
Originally by: King Size
Originally by: Tal Decius
Originally by: Kantar I still dont understand why this patch as been rush up full of bugs.....WHO give a TOSS about new Bloodline anyway!!!!!
Come on man, it's not hard to understand. There's a problem with the code that is very, VERY hard for them to track down, that is causing the servers to run out of memory. In order to find the problem, they have to duplicate the problems, then do forensic analysis on a server when it dies.
This *whole* thing could be the down to one single problem with one single line of code. But which one line of code is it?
No, it's poor planning and bad customer service.
Bloodlines content should have been in a seperate patch than the rest ot the content/fixes in this patch. If this was so, they could have and would have rolled-back. Now they stuck between a rock and a hard place because they cannot rollback due to all the new Blood chars created not being seperable from the rest of the patch.
Call it load testing all you want... 3 days of this ****, CCP would roll-back to save face if they could.
Yes we all know they are working hard, I do not dispute that, i'd be ****ting my pants if i were any one of them on the line. the idea was to get the new bloodlines in so ccps push into the china market could start roleing even faster. face it people ccp doesnt care about what it has just what it can grow to
Even still, its FINALLY about time some good Customer Service stepped up.
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Brad Stone
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:37:00 -
[772]
Originally by: Vapid Gallentaki I agree that we know there will be issues, but why patch on the WEEKEND and cause those issues when most people have free time to play? It would be better to patch during the week...
Last time I checked, Thursday was classed as a weekday
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Darkmist Starpain
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:40:00 -
[773]
Please correct me if I am wrong. With every reboot CCP is getting closer and closer in solving the problems with the cluster right? So am I being too optimistic if I think that after a few more reboots they've chased the memory leak into a corner and are preparing to hammer it to the concrete floor with mallets? 
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Brad Stone
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:40:00 -
[774]
Originally by: lasarith Edited by: lasarith on 05/03/2006 17:18:37 idear- why dont they quickly write a subrotene to shut down a node once it reaches 90% leekage -and give a 5 min shut down warring,
hopefully they will find out the problem from that??
and if you are soeone in one of the systems that node controls, you will be ummm unhappy, specially if they do a full forensic on it
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Hangman69
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:41:00 -
[775]
I've had the client memory leak since RMR, after 2-3 hours (where i've logged combat) my memory used is double what is listed in windows task manager and it affects my overall computer performance. Since Bloodlines, local chat has begun going black for me. Doing mission related stuff; docking, moving to other systems causes the local chat I had previously to turn black, local even flashes when i'm in another chat window but when i look it is black.
If I were to take a bet on the source of the memory leak, I'd look at the unicode and how text is handled.
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King Size
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:41:00 -
[776]
Originally by: cirya
Originally by: King Size
Originally by: Tal Decius
Originally by: Kantar I still dont understand why this patch as been rush up full of bugs.....WHO give a TOSS about new Bloodline anyway!!!!!
Come on man, it's not hard to understand. There's a problem with the code that is very, VERY hard for them to track down, that is causing the servers to run out of memory. In order to find the problem, they have to duplicate the problems, then do forensic analysis on a server when it dies.
This *whole* thing could be the down to one single problem with one single line of code. But which one line of code is it?
No, it's poor planning and bad customer service.
Bloodlines content should have been in a seperate patch than the rest ot the content/fixes in this patch. If this was so, they could have and would have rolled-back. Now they stuck between a rock and a hard place because they cannot rollback due to all the new Blood chars created not being seperable from the rest of the patch.
Call it load testing all you want... 3 days of this ****, CCP would roll-back to save face if they could.
Yes we all know they are working hard, I do not dispute that, i'd be ****ting my pants if i were any one of them on the line. the idea was to get the new bloodlines in so ccps push into the china market could start roleing even faster. face it people ccp doesnt care about what it has just what it can grow to
Even still, its FINALLY about time some good Customer Service stepped up.
The items above in BOLD/Italic are NOT my words, sp do NOT put words that are NOT mine in a quote seeming to be such.
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Digit Handscome
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:53:00 -
[777]
For me the Irony is I left another MMO game because when ever they released a patch it took 1-2 weeks to some what come out of it but there were still lingering problems. The only thing-it was a "free" game.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.03.05 18:56:00 -
[778]
Originally by: cirya
Originally by: Sparls Maybe you guys should know that usually after every patch their are problems... Ya I'm addicted too but the point is is that we all know eve has problems.. just deal with it. Nothing we can do, they will fix it shortly im guessing.
there have been problems befor but nothing this massive or long lasting. oh minor things yes but this is a major foopa
 __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
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Kim Chee
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Posted - 2006.03.05 19:11:00 -
[779]
/me looks around, blinking.
Did I miss the big Whine and Cheese festival? Nobody ever tells me about these things before all the cheese is gone, and all that's left is a whole bunch of whine.
The devs let a bug slip through QA, probably because it didn't show up in their limited testing environment. They're working on tracking it down and fixing it. You guys DID set a long skill training anyways, right?
I mean, if this were an SOE game, we'd be just coming out of the denial stage (There's no problem, we suggest rebooting your parrot), and entering the mysterious looking-into stage (We suspect there *might* be a problem, undoubtedly caused by one of YOU customers somehow. We're looking into it and will sack someone later this week). A few days from now would be the spin on the problem stage... (There isn't any problem, we just implemented a balancing function that helps keep better players from getting too far ahead of the more challenged subscribers. The lag will diminish as other players catch up to you.). Finally, the admission of guilt and apology stage, (As president of SOE, I'm truely... truely sorry. I sacked a whole bunch of people to show how sorry I am, and even sold my older boat to give the devs more funding before I buy a bigger boat to replace it.).
Since I endured that silliness during the EQ2 launch, I've paid my dues and will happily let CCP get back to work on a game that, unlike most MMO's today, doesn't suck. :)
Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion. Kerr Avon: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
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Zydonathius
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Posted - 2006.03.05 19:13:00 -
[780]
Well I haven't read the 28 pages of posts in this thread, and I really can't say that I know what the topic really is here, but I just wanted to say a few words.
I believe that CCP is doing their best to solve the problems with the server code. Claims of CCP not doing enough testing or complaints about using the patch on Tranquility are getting on my nerves. Being a programmer myself, I can definately understand why CCP didn't discover these problems on the test server, and why they need to keep the bugs on Tranquility to solve the problems. Eve is a unique MMORPG in the fact that Tranquility houses every player. When CCP develops serverside code and debugs it on the test servers, there is no possible way (within reason) they can reproduce the strain of 30,000 users - no matter how hard they try. Testing load issues without Tranquility is like testing the strength of a 4-lane suspension bridge by taking a walk on it. CCP needs our help to find the issues with the server. It may take 2 weeks, it may take a month, but rest assured that when this is all over with, it probably will never happen again. We learn best from the mistakes we make, and I'm sure the CCP team is skilling intelligence faster then ever right now.
That's my 2 cents. It will be interesting to see how many more posts this thread gets before this is all over. Who knows, maybe the forums will crash if we keep this up.
- Zydo
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Janssen
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Posted - 2006.03.05 19:34:00 -
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A word of appreciation here... Has anyone else noticed how much information we are getting from CCP these days? I think they have done a good job in improving communications with us.
Good job on the improvements, CCP - keep 'em coming!
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lasarith
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Posted - 2006.03.05 19:34:00 -
[782]
Edited by: lasarith on 05/03/2006 19:35:34
Originally by: Brad Stone
Originally by: lasarith Edited by: lasarith on 05/03/2006 17:18:37 idear- why dont they quickly write a subrotene to shut down a node once it reaches 90% leekage -and give a 5 min shut down warring,
hopefully they will find out the problem from that??
and if you are soeone in one of the systems that node controls, you will be ummm unhappy, specially if they do a full forensic on it
yup i do agree with you-but from that -they can work out whats couseing the problem and fix it!! (hope)
besides -id rather get a notice that system/s are shutting down rather than getting d/c instantly)
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Tesla Coils
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Posted - 2006.03.05 20:03:00 -
[783]
Edited by: Tesla Coils on 05/03/2006 20:06:20 Edited by: Tesla Coils on 05/03/2006 20:05:23 It's very frustrating to pay for a service that doesn't work properly, yes. But we must assume some of the responsibility.
CCP makes available a fully operational testbed that we all have the ability to log into. We should commend CCP for making this testbed available; it shows their commitment to the quality of the product.
As a community of players, we should show our commitment too, by organising regular events, perhaps one day a month, where a huge number of us log into the test server, and help expose the very bugs we hate, before they make it into the EVE universe.
There are CORP CEOs who are in a great position to make this happen.
$0.02 has been debited from my account.
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Tarik ThunderStorm
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Posted - 2006.03.05 20:11:00 -
[784]
Hi everyone.
I have a suggestion to make everyone happy and it won't cost CCP a dime. Why don't you (CCP) reduce the time it takes to train skills whenever there is a patch to compensate for the downtime and keep the skill training at an increased rate until the problems/bugs/memories leaks/ etc.. are fixed? Giving skill points to everyone could be quite complex, but just reducing the time it takes to learn skills for a period equal to that of the downtime (5 days more or less down, 5 days of faster skill training). People who lost training can recover and those that couldn't play at all, even with long training skills would be happy. Please consider this CCP, as this would certainly calm down the flames and make future patches actually nicer to go through if we will get rewarded for our patience. Also, give an incentive in ISK, some special items, etc.. to players who volunteer to play in singularity. And advertise it accordingly. I am sure many thousands would play on singularity before a patch came out if they received something special... for their help. And again, this would not cost CCP nothing at all (in money).
Cheers and keep up the good work.
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Brujo Loco
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Posted - 2006.03.05 20:19:00 -
[785]
Originally by: Kim Chee /me looks around, blinking. I mean, if this were an SOE game, we'd be just coming out of the denial stage (There's no problem, we suggest rebooting your parrot), and entering the mysterious looking-into stage (We suspect there *might* be a problem, undoubtedly caused by one of YOU customers somehow. We're looking into it and will sack someone later this week). A few days from now would be the spin on the problem stage... (There isn't any problem, we just implemented a balancing function that helps keep better players from getting too far ahead of the more challenged subscribers. The lag will diminish as other players catch up to you.). Finally, the admission of guilt and apology stage, (As president of SOE, I'm truely... truely sorry. I sacked a whole bunch of people to show how sorry I am, and even sold my older boat to give the devs more funding before I buy a bigger boat to replace it.).
BIG LOL!!!! As a former EQ1 and EQ2(OMGZ!) player, I give heaven and hell all the Thank you's in the world for CCP NOT being SoE, what kim said is a truly accurate depiction of their Customer Support and overall way of handling things. I was a hardcore fan of the EQ-SoE trend 'till EQ2 came out (wich was the worst game ever to be released and killed my fantasy genre lust, 59 Necromancer rotting in their servers now). All I can say is that CCP is and MUST be working hard , yes , I foresee them losing some players (like all games), yes I foresee the problem on for perhaps a week more, yes It totally sucks, cuz this time, they truly crapped the game, but no matter how much we rant, no matter how much we demand our money back or /quit, no matter how much we claim to be an MIT Expert in Generic_Obscure_softwarethingamajig_001 and how much you would have worked it differently, problem is still there, will be there for a bit and at least we can HOPE it will be fixed eventually. So overall, if you wanna whine , do it , if u wanna make a constructive post, do it , it won't change a single bit of everything, 'xcept perhaps showing how much mud the devs have upon their faces right now. All in all, coming to think of it, even the greatest have absolutely awful, shameful and craptastic moments. Welcome to EVE's crap moment. Enjoy the ride! small msg To the Devs: When u guys fix it, I'll buy you all beer if u ever come to Venezuela!!! To add to the thread: Since RMR and up to yesterday im still having the blank chat issue appearing randomly , it blinks yet it shows nothing 'till I change font size or portrait settings on chat, also if you link more than 4 items on the same line chat goes blank too. -"There's no worst blindness than that of those that do not want to see"- |

Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.03.05 20:31:00 -
[786]
Please be sure and fix the extra cloaking sound effect from jumping when you roll out the patch to fix the patch that fixes the patch, err yeh.
Click jump - get sound effect - ok Next system loads - get cloak sound effect again - NOT ok Warp away - get uncloak sound effect - ok
Also- Please fix the engine trails on the Tempest - it's been broken for ages, it only has one trail from the lower mast instead of two.
One more thing- Drones are still totally borked, not only are they attacking gang mates while npc'ing they sometimes turn on the controler!
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Spawck
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Posted - 2006.03.05 21:09:00 -
[787]
I'm overweight, and I don't like it. I am going on a diet and starting an excercise program as of today. I'm off to the gym. Hopefully Eve will be working when I have lost 25 lbs.!!
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SylvanDisc
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Posted - 2006.03.05 22:08:00 -
[788]
Fingers crossed on the memory leak, they can be a bugger to find but easy to fix once you have...
I really know what you chaps have gone through.
Well done to the devs, I should image there are some tired eyes at CCP tonight.
SylvanDisc (fellow Dev Manager)
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Ranathon
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Posted - 2006.03.05 22:23:00 -
[789]
Edited by: Ranathon on 05/03/2006 22:24:10 Apologies to DEV's if I am repeating info, cant be *bleep*'ed going thru 29 pages of nubs whining cause they never set a long skill on to train (as per advisory BEFORE EVERY PATCH!!)
Uh-hem....
Anyway, Every time I log in I am losing most,if not all, of my player channels (local and corp are the only ones that survive a relog)...
You guys have got a wicked game here, keep up the good work...
Hugs, kisses and cookies Rana 
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Ch'tok
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Posted - 2006.03.05 23:20:00 -
[790]
Who thought a combination of frying bacon and a high pitched whine was a good idea for a additional jumping sound effect?
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Professor Smartypants
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Posted - 2006.03.05 23:20:00 -
[791]
Sorry if this is mentioned before but this is a long thread 
"EVE System" no longer tells me that my local channel has changed to a new system after jumping. It's scary, I'm so used to EVE System's soothing voice in my local chat and now it's gone!! It's funny when i reply to people who I left 10 systems ago...
The extra cloaking sound is annoying too. Good luck getting everything up and running happily again!

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Helen Baque
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Posted - 2006.03.06 04:23:00 -
[792]
Originally by: Ch'tok Who thought a combination of frying bacon and a high pitched whine was a good idea for a additional jumping sound effect?
Hmmm. It sounds more like stomach noises to me.
-- Helen Baque Baque Industries
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Nekuva
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Posted - 2006.03.06 04:32:00 -
[793]
The cloak initiation sound goes off when jumping *into* a system, gets quite annoying after about 3 jumps.
Also, I will often have to rejoin channels that I was in before I logged off.
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Niraco79
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:33:00 -
[794]
After last downtime i`ve experienced my firsts crashes of the game. One in blue error windows screen and one in a blue empty screen... there is somethin to do with lasts patches or i have to do somethin in my system?
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Brungar
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:42:00 -
[795]
Originally by: Ranger 1 It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to express the same unhelpful, uninformed, and ill-mannered opinions.
<snip>
Patch day always brings out the same 2 types of people. 1: "I'm an IT expert in RL, and they have done this all wrong" type. 2: "I'm a paying customer, fix it immediately or I quit" type.
Hmmm. If this is ALWAYS the case, shouldn't this also make one think? And not just about the nature of those posters?
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babyblue
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:50:00 -
[796]
Originally by: Nekuva The cloak initiation sound goes off when jumping *into* a system, gets quite annoying after about 3 jumps.
Also, I will often have to rejoin channels that I was in before I logged off.
I noticed that one too. I thought I was being followed by a covert ops. 
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Goddance
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Posted - 2006.03.06 09:15:00 -
[797]
Sorry if repeat: My client crashes whenever a skill completes.
Sorry for shouting, but CCP stopped taking my calls.
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:18:00 -
[798]
i was crashed when a spawn in a low sec belt decided to warp off despite being warp jammed. Must have game software t5 jammers and t8 warp stabs. They dont like u shooting em up so they crash youre client then kill youre ship before it warps. CCP requested feature please - quite simple really.
For CEOs days since last login details on all members in their Corp. this will help manage inactives and those that dont log in can be removed - |

Henka
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:50:00 -
[799]
dude, npc's dont "warp", so, no point scrambling them.. ever.
they can vanish sometimes if they have been around for to long, but that seemse random but not common..
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Central Scrutinizer
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Posted - 2006.03.06 12:00:00 -
[800]
Edited by: Central Scrutinizer on 06/03/2006 12:00:24 Will there be any Dev response on not having asteroid icons show up with alt after opening the map?
If you open map, you either have to relog or dock/undock in order to have the asteroids appear again.
This is annoying.... hot-fixable?
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:08:00 -
[801]
I have a question about the new routes:
Why isn't there a jump to avoid passing through Jita? It seems that any route from the other empires to Torrinos, takes you through this system.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:20:00 -
[802]
Originally by: Brungar
Originally by: Ranger 1 It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to express the same unhelpful, uninformed, and ill-mannered opinions.
<snip>
Patch day always brings out the same 2 types of people. 1: "I'm an IT expert in RL, and they have done this all wrong" type. 2: "I'm a paying customer, fix it immediately or I quit" type.
Hmmm. If this is ALWAYS the case, shouldn't this also make one think? And not just about the nature of those posters?
I'm always thinking actually. 
But no, the fact that a lot of people like to pointlessly complain because they are irritated does not give them any further substance, nor does it alter reality.
The fact that a lot of people try to act like they know how to deal with technical problems on a piece of software like this, does not change the incredibly obvious fact that they don't truthfully have the slightest idea of how these things really work.
The fact that most of the EVE community operates on a very mature level, does not change the fact that some people believe they can be rude and abusive to the developers... just because they pay a piddling subscription fee.
Eve is a very unique environment, unlike any game environment in existence. This means that it will have unique problems that will arise... as well as demand new procedures be developed for patch deployments and updates. Much of this will be uncharted territory, and mistakes will be made.
None of that is a reason to allow one's IQ to bottom out, nor to throw the manners your mother taught you out the window.
However, those people do inspire a LOT of laughter... so it's not a total waste. 
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OberFuhrer
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Posted - 2006.03.06 14:41:00 -
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I wanted to take a moment and at least give praise to CCP for being on top of this matter throughout the weekend.
Anyone can search for my old posts and see I was right there in dishing it out when this patch went over terribly. Yes, players were down and out for a number of hours and I agree that it was probably a poorly planned effort in its release.
But since I am one to share my views when I am dissatisfied, I felt it only fair to let CCP know that I am also willing to see that they are putting in some hard work, and I do appreciate them being on top of the problem and by Sunday everything seemed much improved from earlier.
How do I know CCP is listening to the complaints of its users? One prominent example for me was when a lot of people were complaining about being given a whopping 60 seconds of warning that the server was being shutdown for an "emergency reboot". I agreed with them that 60 seconds is terrible planning and that CCP should be able to give players a 10 minute window at the minimum. Well, later on, CCP ended up letting everyone know about reboots 20 minutes in advance. That shows me that CCP is listening and I'm glad they are.
Now hopefully they continue to listen. My big complaint right now is to stop with the freaking patches! Stop adding more content in order to improve the "game play experience". I think I can certainly speak for a lot of players that we'd just like to have the existing problems fixed first. The game play that I am experiencing is great right now and I don't want it changed.
In other words CCP (if you are listening) stop jacking around with the game itself for right now. We like it just as it is. Yes, there are some bugs or imbalances still out there. Focus on the problems first; stop adding more "content". Do this for maybe the next 6 months and I think you'll have a very happy customer base.
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Abbatrader
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Posted - 2006.03.06 14:47:00 -
[804]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Brungar
Originally by: Ranger 1 It never ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to express the same unhelpful, uninformed, and ill-mannered opinions.
<snip>
Patch day always brings out the same 2 types of people. 1: "I'm an IT expert in RL, and they have done this all wrong" type. 2: "I'm a paying customer, fix it immediately or I quit" type.
Hmmm. If this is ALWAYS the case, shouldn't this also make one think? And not just about the nature of those posters?
I'm always thinking actually. 
But no, the fact that a lot of people like to pointlessly complain because they are irritated does not give them any further substance, nor does it alter reality.
The fact that a lot of people try to act like they know how to deal with technical problems on a piece of software like this, does not change the incredibly obvious fact that they don't truthfully have the slightest idea of how these things really work.
The fact that most of the EVE community operates on a very mature level, does not change the fact that some people believe they can be rude and abusive to the developers... just because they pay a piddling subscription fee.
Eve is a very unique environment, unlike any game environment in existence. This means that it will have unique problems that will arise... as well as demand new procedures be developed for patch deployments and updates. Much of this will be uncharted territory, and mistakes will be made.
None of that is a reason to allow one's IQ to bottom out, nor to throw the manners your mother taught you out the window.
However, those people do inspire a LOT of laughter... so it's not a total waste. 
There is never an excuse for abusive language or whining, however there is also no excuse for some of the mistakes that occur during patches and updates.
Reintroducing broken code that was fixed in a previous path = No excuse
Putting out an update where the main focus of that update doesnÆt work at all ôIE bloodlinesö= No excus
Yes mistakes will always happen, but I would be seriously interested to know just what the QA manager does. Namely how he goes about his job, what processes he has put in place since his appointment to try to reduce these patch day problems.
From a customer perspective it looks like little has changed since he arrived and patches and updates are still done on a rushed out, limited tested and break as much as you fix basis.
Yes I set long skills training and yes I simply go play something else for a few days after patching and as such am not really adversly affected by these problems. But some people think that proper levels of testing and QA are carried out and when it all goes pear shaped they get frustrated, these forums are their only real outlet for these frustrations and as such they vent here. Bringing their IQ into question because they think differently than you, says more about you than about them IMHO.
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Helen Baque
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Posted - 2006.03.06 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Brungar Hmmm. If this is ALWAYS the case, shouldn't this also make one think? And not just about the nature of those posters?
Quite simply, no. There have always been lots of people who believed that...
... an all-powerful, all-knowing invisible man in the sky made everything ........ and he needs your money :-) ... let's get on this crowded elevator before other passengers have gotten off! ... there were WMDs found in Iraq ... let's drink huge amounts of liquor and drive home! ... those witches should be burned ... Seeing milk producing organs on TV is bad for children ........ now put Walker, Texas Ranger back on! Look at that roundhouse kick! :-) ... those homosexuals should be jailed ... evolved from apes? nonsense! ........ now siddown and shaddup up before i hit you again! ... that uppity Rosa Parks girl should sit in the back of the bus ... hey! i have the RIGHT to smoke where you have to breathe my poison! ... the Earth is clearly flat, just look around ... et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam
Many people believe whatever nonsense is fashionable at any given time. Lots of people believing something is not an indicator that it's true or a good idea. On the contrary, if a lot of people believe in X, you need to start looking for superficially sensible but profound flaws with X.
The simple fact is this: There is NO WAY to thoroughly test MMORPG patches prior to release. You can test a lot of stuff in those patches, but the live environment and the test environment are different, and thus you can't test for stuff that only comes up in the live environment. There are lots of things in the world that work just fine until lots of people try to use them all at once. Roads and elevators spring to mind as a good analogy for network programming.
The obvious fix would be to increase the population on the test servers to match the population of the live servers, but that's not up to CCP. (Well, CCP could shut down the live servers a week prior to the patch or something to encourage people to sign on to SiSi, but that's not all that different from just deploying the damn thing.)
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Originally by: Helen Baque
Originally by: Brungar Hmmm. If this is ALWAYS the case, shouldn't this also make one think? And not just about the nature of those posters?
Quite simply, no. There have always been lots of people who believed that...
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Many people believe whatever nonsense is fashionable at any given time. Lots of people believing something is not an indicator that it's true or a good idea. On the contrary, if a lot of people believe in X, you need to start looking for superficially sensible but profound flaws with X.
I did not say, nor mean to suggest, that since a lot of people are saying it, it must be true. However, if a lot of your customers have issues with the way you're operating in a certain regard, I would hope that IS something that will make your think. About communicating with those people, if nothing else.
And yes, I DO think it is a healthy thing to do a reality check on your own views if you find a great many people disagree strongly. But that does not mean you have to agree with them, as a result.
Originally by: Helen Baque
The simple fact is this: There is NO WAY to thoroughly test MMORPG patches prior to release. You can test a lot of stuff in those patches, but the live environment and the test environment are different, and thus you can't test for stuff that only comes up in the live environment. There are lots of things in the world that work just fine until lots of people try to use them all at once. Roads and elevators spring to mind as a good analogy for network programming.
The obvious fix would be to increase the population on the test servers to match the population of the live servers, but that's not up to CCP. (Well, CCP could shut down the live servers a week prior to the patch or something to encourage people to sign on to SiSi, but that's not all that different from just deploying the damn thing.)
Well, one thing that might be an option - but possibly too expensive - is too simulate the traffic generated by great amounts of people. Sure, this traffic will not have the randomness of real people (or the lack thereof, in other cases), but it can help stress the limits.
Then again, I'm a RL programme manager, not a RL SW engineer. So I might be full of **** there ;)
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In an effort to improve the Devs ability to work on fixing issues that have arisen from the Bloodlines deployment, I am going to unstick this thread and start a new one. I would ask that everyone read the Known Issues page before posting to the new thread.
A deep and sincere apology to the community for all the issues that have arisen from the Bloodlines deployment.
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# Unconfirmed Issues - we need more information about these things please # Drones will attack gangmates when they run out of hostile targets
This is very much confirmed, as it happened to our gangs multiple times. When drones can't attack a designated target for a period of time, they switch to a gangmate. Also happens sometime when they finish a current target. --------------- VIP member of the [23]
Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
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