I did specifically ask you not to just dismiss what I'm saying, but to actually address it. Please do so.

And I care because I'm talking to YOU, not to CCP. I'm interested in knowing what the fundamental disagreement is between us. why? Why do you think that "Everything in EVE revolves around one central point, space ships" when as far as I'm concerned that is very, VERY obviously not the case?

i'm also going to take direct positive action and try to organize the same

Prove the executive board made their decisions based off what people on a forum did.

We have decided, to focus our collective efforts on the areas you have asked us to focus on

Dear ladies and gentlemen of WiS enthsuiasts.

On display is one of the problems why there is no progress for your cause.

A person that pretends to care with you, but only cares about herself.

She keeps voicing her opinions in a loud and sometimes hostile fashion, but when being offered help or an idea how to create progress, she stsps back and admits that she doesn't really care that much anyway.

A hypocrit.

I did specifically ask you not to just dismiss what I'm saying, but to actually address it. Please do so.

And I care because I'm talking to YOU, not to CCP. I'm interested in knowing what the fundamental disagreement is between us. why? Why do you think that "Everything in EVE revolves around one central point, space ships" when as far as I'm concerned that is very, VERY obviously not the case?

You can try to define the discussion all you like, I've told you my thoughts on the matter. Accept that or don't.

Also i notice you haven't made any comment on my WiS account initiative, or are you another who is all talk and no action?

How can we dictate? We are not ISDs. You have the right to post, so do we.

With pleasure.



How do you think they were asked, hm? You think all the players phoned them, or flew to iceland?

The point is more, I think, that all of Eve's "sandboxy" things to date have been spaceship-based, and the non-spaceship (WiS) content we've seen so far has been very "un-sandboxy".

Of course you could build a game following the sandbox principles of Eve but not involving spaceships (and if it was good I'd play the hell out of it), but if CCP is just going to use the WiS project to shove monocles down our throats and give us "social environments" to pretend to drink space beer in rather than something that fits and adds to the existing content then count me out.

You have simply got to be kidding me. Where exactly did he mention the forums?

There's no need to be so antagonistic. I'm asking you, in as friendly a manner as I possibly can - why is it that you feel that EVE is just about spaceships when it's clear to me that it's about far more than that?

Did i not use the term "spaceship-centric"? That term does not suggest "Just" anything.

The problem is you don't seem open to understanding what I'm saying.

Where else, exactly, would the players have been talking about it?

others keep taking the "silly thread, close pls" attitude and keep going on and on about spaceships and worthless crap that has been talked down in tens of threads before this one.

And your problem is that you're too eager to pick a fight.

I don't even agree with you that EVE is spaceship-centric, okay? this will go much more smoothly if you actually answer the intent of my questions rather than pouncing on whatever minor mistake I happen to have made in framing them.

Threatening a company that has provided us with YEARS of entertainment (that we would not have had if they never existed) because they don't want to make what is (in their mind) a bad business decision is highly irresponsible IMO.

The people who work at CCP are people, not robots. I can't imagine telling someone who is entertaining me "i'm going to take food out of you and your kids mouths if yo don't let me walk through a virtual door into a virtual spacestation soon". The thought of that makes me want to actually and in real life vomit.

No, if i want something bad enough, I'm going to advocate for it yes, but i'm also going to take direct positive action and try to organize the same. The men and women of CCP provide us a fun virtual world to play in, how dare anyone suggest hurting them?

You disagree than EVE is spaceship centric? Are we riding unicorns into battle? Or tanks?

People unsubscribing doesn't communicate anything other than "I'm leaving".

"I would prefer for the CQ to be optional" and "please give us the old weapon icons back" were communicated on forums, and that's the stuff that they went ahead and did. They didn't get that information by intuiting it, but by actually taking on board what the community was discussing. If they had intuited it, then those mistakes would never have been made in the first place.

Two years ago people mass unsubbed. You believe they should have just kept talking?

Im not saying you are dictating Though i am sure you wish you could. I am saying you and those guys with bald white faces and others keep taking the "silly thread, close pls" attitude and keep going on and on about spaceships and worthless crap that has been talked down in tens of threads before this one. You have nothing to argument with because WiS is a concept. It has no form yet, like a nonexistant ghost, yet you keep trying to stab it with a knife again and again and fail to understand that your effort is wasted.

The CSM, an organisation literally picked by the playerbase to represent their collective concerns, were flown to Reykjavik to discuss the post-Incarna fallout with CCP's management face to face.

Its like you're not even trying.

I dare, because. If people want something so badly, they have to do something for it. If they don't, they wont. If you read my words again, i wrote "without having to actually unsub", because the threat should be sufficient to get the point across clearly, unlike threads do. YMMV.

Oh, so the CSM knew about our specific gripes how exactly?

This is an oxymoronic statement

And for the very last time; I am not against WiS

I am against worthless self-repeating threads

When people unsubbed during the summer of rage IMO that was different, that was saying "I'm a customer and I think you are screwing me".

Doing the same because "you're not adding stuff I want fast enough" is wrong

[]Given there are at least three strongly differing points of view in this thread but only a small number of posters, why would action be taken by CCP based on what they may or may not read here?

There are not many active WiS threads, I dont think this is worthless or too repeating at all. The largest one of them here in GD now on page 2 had a dev tag since day 1. It would be nice to have a proper official dev response in a new thread like this, i think thats what many people hope for. Others just want to discuss the concept in a refreshing way, obviously something that annoys a WiS supporter like you greatly.

Others just want to discuss the concept in a refreshing way, obviously something that annoys a WiS supporter like you greatly.

Personally, if they gave me more crap to customise my CQ with, I might actually spend some time there.