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Anders1 Northern Petrol Gemini Federation	Posted - 2006.10.14 21:16:00 - [811] I'm gonna install Linux later on another partition and see if I have any luck this time. Last time I tried it in 2005 it wouldn't even run... Is it possible to run it using Ubuntu/Debian wine, so I don't have to compile it myself?
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.14 22:00:00 - [812] Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/10/2006 22:00:25 Originally by: Anders1 I'm gonna install Linux later on another partition and see if I have any luck this time. Last time I tried it in 2005 it wouldn't even run... Is it possible to run it using Ubuntu/Debian wine, so I don't have to compile it myself? Currently EVE runs well ONLY under the cedega platform. Transgaming Elfiger and a few others have been working with wine ( WineHQ ) but currently wine doesn't work with EVE without using a slightly older version + tweaks. Elfiger could give us an update here in case I'm all wet on this part, but I DO know that as of version 0.9.22, EVE will 'install', but will not play with a default install of wine. You do NOT have to compile anything under ubuntu to get cedega to work. You need to make sure that you are using the nvidia or ati binaries (proprietary) and preferably the NVIDIA as it is at this point the far better video solution under linux. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Anders1 Northern Petrol Gemini Federation	Posted - 2006.10.15 02:47:00 - [813] Originally by: Sevarus James Edited by: Sevarus James on 14/10/2006 22:00:25 Originally by: Anders1 I'm gonna install Linux later on another partition and see if I have any luck this time. Last time I tried it in 2005 it wouldn't even run... Is it possible to run it using Ubuntu/Debian wine, so I don't have to compile it myself? Currently EVE runs well ONLY under the cedega platform. Transgaming Elfiger and a few others have been working with wine ( WineHQ ) but currently wine doesn't work with EVE without using a slightly older version + tweaks. Elfiger could give us an update here in case I'm all wet on this part, but I DO know that as of version 0.9.22, EVE will 'install', but will not play with a default install of wine. You do NOT have to compile anything under ubuntu to get cedega to work. You need to make sure that you are using the nvidia or ati binaries (proprietary) and preferably the NVIDIA as it is at this point the far better video solution under linux. Yeah, I use the nvidia drivers. I guess I'll have to pay those $5 / month for Cedega then... but before I do, is EVE actually playable without any major glitches? I used to run Linux 100% before, but EVE forced me into installing Windows again :( Would be nice if I could go back. ---
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.15 06:54:00 - [814] As for glitches, if you mean beyond the normal glitches in EVE than I'd say yes. I'm use it 100% of the time, and the corp that I run PVP's and I'm having no issues or non-eve crashing/glitching even under heavy load. Th better the cpu/gpu the better the result, and THERE your mileage will vary. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
neur0n 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.16 00:22:00 - [815] Anyone with a Radeon X800XT with 3D hardware enabled managed to pass all cedega test? i do glxinfo \| grep direct and it shows yes, however when i run the tests in cedega the 3D hardware test fails.. Am using latest ATI drivers, Cedega 5.2.6, Xorg 7.0. - Originally by: Masta Killa ASCN - The way their frigfleets kamikaze on our missiles is horrifying. We can't afford to keep buying more and more missiles only to have them destroyed by ASCN frigs!
Solbright	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:37:00 - [816] Originally by: Makko Verillia I recently moved back to Linux - just got tired of some glaring issues with Windows I could never correct. I picked up SimplyMEPIS, a Dapper distro, and it worked, no CLI action yet, for a wonder. Oh for the days of Slackware 2.0.0.... Anyway I got cedega on, EVE etc. I have a 6800GS, 768meg RAM, Sempron 64 running at 2.1GHz (overclocked 1.4. I have no stability issue, just a serious lack of FPS. I run at 1024x768 (10x7), 24bit. I've done the interval default/immediate thing, buffer to 300meg, tried windowed/desktop mode, varying vertex and what not on and off. I never get over 30fps outside. If I go on a misson or somewhere with lots of ships, I dip into the teens, around 12-14fps. I know some of you have way better framerates. I'm running the 87.xx series NVIDIA drivers. Any reason to upgrade to the 9x.xx series? Any other tweaks to cedega that will help? Will dropping the color to 16bit actually help? Thanks for the help. Graphics is not your limit, you have to have a particularly poor 3D card before it affects Eve. Eve is very poorly coded, requiring stupidly large amounts of CPU. A teraflop processor might just be enough to hide the stuttering.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:43:00 - [817] Originally by: neur0n Anyone with a Radeon X800XT with 3D hardware enabled managed to pass all cedega test? i do glxinfo \| grep direct and it shows yes, however when i run the tests in cedega the 3D hardware test fails.. Am using latest ATI drivers, Cedega 5.2.6, Xorg 7.0. A lot of good info regarding the failed acceleration issues in this thread: ATI transgaming thread ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:35:00 - [818] Originally by: Sevarus James Elfiger and a few others have been working with wine ( WineHQ ) but currently wine doesn't work with EVE without using a slightly older version + tweaks. Elfiger could give us an update here in case I'm all wet on this part, but I DO know that as of version 0.9.22, EVE will 'install', but will not play with a default install of wine. you need a current source tree (for git howto see winehq wiki), then apply a custom patch and compile/install wine run the MatchoNet.bash to create some cache Folders this allows you to run EVE even with the logserver (you need "wine 'explorer.exe /desktop=eve,1024x768 eve.exe'") some minor issues remain see http://elfe.mine.nu/eve/linux/
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:23:00 - [819] Bless ya Elf...was kinda' worried you were buried in the war with the hobbits and had left us. Thanks for the update there. More solutions is ALWAYS better. Hopefully the work going on with wine will give even more choice to the EVE community. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
nico wurz250 The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:22:00 - [820] Edited by: nico wurz250 on 20/10/2006 15:22:30 i wonder anyone plays eve on linux, i never ever get it working. not with wine not with caledra :( the only reason running windows on my system is eve and i hate it. .
Makko Verillia Caldari AFK	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:06:00 - [821] Follow up to my post above: I am finding an unusual issue. If I play for 2-4 hours, eventually EVE will slow to a crawl; usually I just log out, then re-open EVE (I use cedega). Last night while playing, usual slow down happened after about two hours. I was about to log out, but I hit ESC twice, so the ESC window came up for about five seconds. I noticed right away the rendering speed looked QUITE a bit more fluid. I checked the FPS counter and it had show up to 50fps in space, while outside a station in Sobaseki. WTF? I was able to replicate this after another hour of play as well. Vid memory not emptying out? I don't know, I'm not that technical. The oddest part was this happened no matter the res. I run 1024x768 or 1280x1024 depending on what I am doing in game. Fluxbox is my wm for speed reasons; I noticed a loss in KDE of about 10fps consistently. Distro is SimpleMEPIS (Dapper 6.06) Anyway, there it is, for what little to nothing it may help.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.20 23:18:00 - [822] Edited by: Sevarus James on 20/10/2006 23:18:56 Originally by: Makko Verillia Follow up to my post above: I am finding an unusual issue. If I play for 2-4 hours, eventually EVE will slow to a crawl; usually I just log out, then re-open EVE (I use cedega). Last night while playing, usual slow down happened after about two hours. I was about to log out, but I hit ESC twice, so the ESC window came up for about five seconds. I noticed right away the rendering speed looked QUITE a bit more fluid. I checked the FPS counter and it had show up to 50fps in space, while outside a station in Sobaseki. WTF? I was able to replicate this after another hour of play as well. Vid memory not emptying out? I don't know, I'm not that technical. The oddest part was this happened no matter the res. I run 1024x768 or 1280x1024 depending on what I am doing in game. Fluxbox is my wm for speed reasons; I noticed a loss in KDE of about 10fps consistently. Distro is SimpleMEPIS (Dapper 6.06) Anyway, there it is, for what little to nothing it may help. For what its worth...its not just you. Windows users as well as CCP have been trying to get this one figured out for awhile as well. The odd part is that it isn't consistent for all users, and when it does happen, there seems to be no one reason for it to occur. See this thread as an example: framerate plea ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
death2nite Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:09:00 - [823] my first install of ubuntu was a disaster eve wouldnt play for beans but i recently did a hardware upgrade AMD Athlon x2 4200 and reinstalled ubuntu from scratch and while eve runs better.. frame rate is still low and even at that its playable except for moving the mouse, which drops frame rates even further making it really unplayable, and completely impossible with 2 clients running. i figured perhaps if i install the dual core kernel it would improve. it actually plays worse. it stays on one core and no way to get it to utilize both cores. i personaly feel that untill whatever the problem is with moving the mouse is fixed it will never be very playable for me. so im stuck using winblows for eve only.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:33:00 - [824] Originally by: death2nite my first install of ubuntu was a disaster eve wouldnt play for beans but i recently did a hardware upgrade AMD Athlon x2 4200 and reinstalled ubuntu from scratch and while eve runs better.. frame rate is still low and even at that its playable except for moving the mouse, which drops frame rates even further making it really unplayable, and completely impossible with 2 clients running. i figured perhaps if i install the dual core kernel it would improve. it actually plays worse. it stays on one core and no way to get it to utilize both cores. i personaly feel that untill whatever the problem is with moving the mouse is fixed it will never be very playable for me. so im stuck using winblows for eve only. Check this thread for the mouse issues. Don't know if it will help you but here ya go: cedega eve forum thread ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Makko Verillia Caldari AFK	Posted - 2006.10.23 18:56:00 - [825] Originally by: Sevarus James For what its worth...its not just you. Windows users as well as CCP have been trying to get this one figured out for awhile as well. The odd part is that it isn't consistent for all users, and when it does happen, there seems to be no one reason for it to occur. That thread was quite interesting. The ideas people were coming up with in there, I could see as POSSIBLE system issues, but most were ideas with Windows that I could rule out. If not, then it is an inherent problem in the parts of the Windows or DirectX API that Cedega / WINE emulates. I put it down to a five year old game engine and interpreter. At least it runs, and for the most part after some tweaks, runs well enough to play.
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:19:00 - [826] did anyone with the mouse problem check if the problem also exists in wine?
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.24 06:28:00 - [827] Originally by: El*ER did anyone with the mouse problem check if the problem also exists in wine? Elf, if you could repost the setup for wine for EVE, I'll test it...however, the issue seems more related to mouse polling on specific types of mice than it does the distro/wine/cedega+eve. My own setup doesn't have mouse issues....my issue is with 3d total freeze using the dual core k7 kernel (smp). (i386 has no problems, just a slightly lower frame rate). A repost of the links for wine+hack would appreciated, as I'd like to start testing wine as well. Cedega is my gaming 'home' as I'm running a corp and need to know its gonna work 'right now', but I appreciate multiple options as choice is what makes things better all around, and the knowledge and feedback could be of use for the wine development side. -no programmer here, but I know a few bits about the stuff. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Makko Verillia Caldari AFK	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:50:00 - [828] OK, I must ask the question: Who has gotten the Kali patch on, and tried Sisi? I'm going to try at home on my EVE-Dev install - what it is there for. Anyone yet though?
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:58:00 - [829] the wine status is pretty good you need a current source tree via git and then apply a patch that can be found in the appdb compile, install wine (see the wine wiki for help) create some cache folders with the bash file and play
Makko Verillia Caldari AFK	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:03:00 - [830] OK, I got home. I downloaded the test patch listed on the offical test patch page. During the install of it to my eve-dev game folder, I found the following: 1) The readme text is garbled - DO NOT TRY TO SCROLL IT! The patcher goes staright to finish; just click the Start Update Button 2) Put the C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE-Dev or whatever patch to you test install is BY HAND - browsing for it causes patch installer to crash out. Install is fine otherwise, all files process. Splash screen comes up, and then it goes away :( Delete cache, reinstall and apply patch - no go. :( Will keep trying.
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:40:00 - [831] it might be useful to tell if you use cedega or wine just finished a fps check at 1200x900: char selection: wine 105fps winxp 225fps in empire space at a gate: wine 40fps winxp 105fps so windows outperforms wine still by at least factor 2 I need to check the agp options and see if that boosts fps
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:45:00 - [832] Edited by: Sevarus James on 25/10/2006 00:49:29 Edited by: Sevarus James on 25/10/2006 00:49:00 Edited by: Sevarus James on 25/10/2006 00:48:47 Originally by: Makko Verillia OK, I must ask the question: Who has gotten the Kali patch on, and tried Sisi? I'm going to try at home on my EVE-Dev install - what it is there for. Anyone yet though? Okay, tried this as well, and under cedega it gets through to the splash screen....hangs.....then dies. I didn't have it running via a console, so there were no error messages, but my bet is the errors are the same as yours. Elfiger, Makko is talking about the test patch for SISI, not Tranq production. Are you (Elfiger) referring to the KALI test on wine as 'working' with the patch? Or the Dragon client? If things hold true as they did with Dragon, CCP will code drop to transgaming when they feel the build is close enough to production to warrant the drop. The only annoyance for me as a user and subscriber to BOTH EVE and CEDEGA is that I cannot be a part of the process to make sure that not only is the new client stable and working with as few bugs as possible, but that it works on both platforms. (linux and win). I understand however, that a new client codebase such as KALI with major changes to map views and such will most likely break things...doesn't make me feel better when I wish to assist in the testing process, but oh well. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:54:00 - [833] Here is the thread I posted the Cedega breakage to. I've also submitted a problem 'support' report to transgaming. kali testing bug reporting thread ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:48:00 - [834] the login screen is still working without problems with wine and version 26098 queue ftl
Keldan Bane Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:20:00 - [835] Elfe bro, great stuff on the wine front. You have my thanks for your good work. Eve works fine xept for a few graphical issues and tho the slowdown hurts. Cpu is light my secondary rig, sempron 3.2+ i see 100% cpu load all the time and a drop to the teens or even lower for fps in space. Keep up the good work o7
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:26:00 - [836] cpu is likely to hit 100% with vsync off and underused gfx cards
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:16:00 - [837] Originally by: El*ER it might be useful to tell if you use cedega or wine just finished a fps check at 1200x900: char selection: wine 105fps winxp 225fps in empire space at a gate: wine 40fps winxp 105fps so windows outperforms wine still by at least factor 2 I need to check the agp options and see if that boosts fps Whilst my FPS is also similar results (about half of WinXP was) I'm finding events load quicker. When I jump it loads in a fraction of the time, or opening Market/P+P is a fraction of the time it took on WinXP.. are others experiencing this (pleasant) surprise too?
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.02 14:13:00 - [838] I'm not getting quite the same results as you...however I'm running at 1900x 1200, and my fps undocked is much closer to the windows side. (in station, windows fps is higher). Not noticing any difference to session changes. (not faster or slower). Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
froster	Posted - 2006.11.04 12:34:00 - [839] hello i try to run eve with wine. Im running on suse 10.1, i've got an ati card and i installed the ati drivers. So far what i've done : Dled the source code of wine. patched it with the elf patch compiled it. i installed eve with wine i configured wine to run eve on windows XP. i used the elf script macronet. i puted audio=0 in the pref.ini files ok now when i try to lauch eve with wine /path/eve.exe i got the image of the laoding window then the window of eve turns black. When i move my cursor in the eve window i got 2 cursor. in the console i got the following errors : Quote: fixme:process:IsWow64Process (0xffffffff 0x34fba4) stub! fixme:d3d:IWineD3DDeviceImpl_GetAvailableTextureMem (0x1b3930) : stub, simulating 64MB for now, returning 64MB left fixme:imm:ImmReleaseContext (0x10026, 0x155888): stub fixme:imm:ImmGetIMEFileNameA (0x40c040c, 0x34a838, 260): stub
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.04 16:32:00 - [840] build 26811 isn't starting under wine (crashes before displaying the login screen)

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