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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2094
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:19:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You didn't have any real credibility to begin with, but what little you had, just went poof.
That thing is one of the worst, bar none worst designed thing I have ever seen in the game.
Because you totally are able to say how credible I am :). Given the continually negative crap you have been posting here along with Baltec1, all crying over how Nullsec is getting nerfed by any change. Without looking at possible positive sides. If no-one uses them, you are deliberately choosing to loose 5%. Rather than try and get your additional 5%. Stop making up excuses for your own failings.
And we know that Nevyn hasn't read the changes all the way through yet. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9817
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:20:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Doesn't that contradict the idea of it being a nerf?
The bounties are being reduced if you use it or not. Whelp, this isn't referring to what I thought it was, as such, some reading needs done.
It gets better, if you have one up then your bounties drop to 80% and it only takes a minute to access and steal the isk. With there only being a handful of people ratting in each system its going to be easy to swipe the isk unless the owners have an alt in a nubship sitting there waiting to hit share the moment anyone enters local which is taking up someone's alt that could have been used for earning more isk.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2094
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Doesn't that contradict the idea of it being a nerf?
The bounties are being reduced if you use it or not. Whelp, this isn't referring to what I thought it was, as such, some reading needs done. It gets better, if you have one up then your bounties drop to 80% and it only takes a minute to access and steal the isk. With there only being a handful of people ratting in each system its going to be easy to swipe the isk unless the owners have an alt in a nubship sitting there waiting to hit share the moment anyone enters local which is taking up someone's alt that could have been used for earning more isk.
It gets better than that.
The isk from the deployable?
Is in the form of "tags" in your cargo bay as best as I can tell. So even if you babysit it with a noobship they can just blap him and take it anyway. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9818
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It gets better than that.
The isk from the deployable?
Is in the form of "tags" in your cargo bay as best as I can tell. So even if you babysit it with a noobship they can just blap him and take it anyway.
I don't even know how you cash those things in. I may have missed it in the dev blog. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2094
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It gets better than that.
The isk from the deployable?
Is in the form of "tags" in your cargo bay as best as I can tell. So even if you babysit it with a noobship they can just blap him and take it anyway.
I don't even know how you cash those things in. I may have missed it in the dev blog.
I couldn't figure it either, but then I read it at work with a multimeter in my hands, so I could have missed something. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
965
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:36:00 -
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Reading done, I'm at a loss as to the thinking behind this one. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
965
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It gets better than that.
The isk from the deployable?
Is in the form of "tags" in your cargo bay as best as I can tell. So even if you babysit it with a noobship they can just blap him and take it anyway.
I don't even know how you cash those things in. I may have missed it in the dev blog. Sounds like NPC buy orders in faction navy stations. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9820
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Posted - 2014.01.15 02:59:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Sounds like NPC buy orders in faction navy stations.
That could be problematic for some. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
888
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: So it's not hard enough to live in null, CCP should definitely make it harder.
If nullsec is soooo bad why do vast numbers of players pay the two major powerblocs tons of isk to rent?  |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4312
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:18:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: So it's not hard enough to live in null, CCP should definitely make it harder.
If nullsec is soooo bad why do vast numbers of players pay the two major powerblocs tons of isk to rent? 
how many is "vast numbers"? The whole of null sec was what, 11% of EVE characters and that sov alliannce members AND renters. Renters are not a real signifigant population in EVE. A look at dotlan of renter allainces (like the Goon's "co-prosperity sphere") wiill show you some relaly really small alliances.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
888
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: So it's not hard enough to live in null, CCP should definitely make it harder.
If nullsec is soooo bad why do vast numbers of players pay the two major powerblocs tons of isk to rent?  how many is "vast numbers"? The whole of null sec was what, 11% of EVE characters and that sov alliannce members AND renters. Renters are not a real signifigant population in EVE. A look at dotlan of renter allainces (like the Goon's "co-prosperity sphere") wiill show you some relaly really small alliances. But....if the space is soooo bad, why are people paying to live there? Why not just stay in hisec? |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
912
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It gets better than that.
The isk from the deployable?
Is in the form of "tags" in your cargo bay as best as I can tell. So even if you babysit it with a noobship they can just blap him and take it anyway.
And now I know you didn't read the changes properly. Glass houses, stones, etc. It's only in the forms of tags if you 'take all'. I.E. Steal from other ratters in the system. As long as you share it appears as instant isk in the wallet. (Though they do need to explain where those tags get cashed in I agree)
I'm not opposed to having this deployed upping the bounty reward to 110% or even 115% of what it is now overall as a note, given the risks you are taking. But whining about this as an automatic 5% nerf just isn't true, especially since a lot of your income is loot anyway, not pure bounty unlike high sec who hardly ever get loot worth talking about. Even as it stands you can get buffed income if you get it going right. Let alone with the small tweaks it should get.
Nor am I opposed to the structure at least having a reinforcement timer even if reinforcing it drops the bounties back down to 95%. That offsets the purchase price as it allows you to repair it rather than instant 30 million losses.
I'm not an 'anti null' player. I'm just not in favour of nerfs just because people are whining and think they are disadvantaged, but in reality are already at an advantage. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8395
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:28:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: So it's not hard enough to live in null, CCP should definitely make it harder.
If nullsec is soooo bad why do vast numbers of players pay the two major powerblocs tons of isk to rent?  Ask them. I don't have a ******* clue why they think they're getting a good deal out of it. My EVE Videos |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4312
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:35:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: So it's not hard enough to live in null, CCP should definitely make it harder.
If nullsec is soooo bad why do vast numbers of players pay the two major powerblocs tons of isk to rent?  how many is "vast numbers"? The whole of null sec was what, 11% of EVE characters and that sov alliannce members AND renters. Renters are not a real signifigant population in EVE. A look at dotlan of renter allainces (like the Goon's "co-prosperity sphere") wiill show you some relaly really small alliances. But....if the space is soooo bad, why are people paying to live there? Why not just stay in hisec?
You mena like "most people" lol.
You're seriously asking why a small portion of the population is choosing to live someplace and pay for it instead of asking why a much much larger share of that samepopulation aren't chomping at the bit to get out there.
It's like seeing an apartment building with 100 apartments and 3 of them rented and saying "if this building sucks so much, why are their 3 families in there?" lol.
The answer is "because some people like it and get some benefit from it". But renting is simply not a popular activity, most rentable systems aren't rented as can be seen from various sources not the least of which is dotlan maps. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
888
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Posted - 2014.01.15 03:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It's like seeing an apartment building with 100 apartments and 3 of them rented and saying "if this building sucks so much, why are their 3 families in there?" lol.
Northern Associates. - 4859 members Brothers of Tangra - 5003 members Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere - 2856 members
Those are 3 of the 4 largest alliances in the game. Your analogy just doesn't hold water. Why would 11% of eve choose to live in sov if it was total ****? Objectively, that just doesn't make sense.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4316
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:42:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: It's like seeing an apartment building with 100 apartments and 3 of them rented and saying "if this building sucks so much, why are their 3 families in there?" lol.
Northern Associates. - 4859 members Brothers of Tangra - 5003 members Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere - 2856 members Those are 3 of the 4 largest alliances in the game. Your analogy just doesn't hold water. Why would 11% of eve choose to live in sov if it was total ****? Objectively, that just doesn't make sense.
Only if you ignore where people put the other 89%, sure. Why do you think so many of us have high sec, low sec (FW) and Wormhole pve alts? Who do you think we buy stuff in jita and ship it down rather than build stuff exclusivly where we live?
The problem isn't null sec sucking, it's that the rest of space has been buffed (or in the cas eof wormholes, 'added') while the last null sec buff (system upgrades scheme) was quickly nerfed soon after it's introduction. CCP just doesn't seem to be able to stick to the clear plan of how EVE is supposed to handle the risk/effort/reward balance.
i was off today and the family was out at work and school so i spent 4 hours doing SOE missions in Lanngisi, at the end of that I sold a bunch of sister's core probes and bought a plex (rather than wait for that accounts sub to lapse since in 2 weeks). I hate missions but you just can't beat that rate of return except high sec incursions of chaining FW lvl4 missions. If i'd use that same machariel in null sec anoms I might have cleared close to that much isk, but hell, WHY? I didn't even have to glance at local in lanngisi.
It's a broken situation, yet some people are in so much denial it's crazy. |

Xol'tan
Fallen RaVens
10
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:53:00 -
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daily bump... |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
888
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Only if you ignore where people put the other 89%, sure.
Well, lets actually take a look at the different regions of eve. There are 5 distinct regions: Hi sec, Low Sec, NPC 0.0, Sov, and WH space. If there was an even population distribution, we could expect to see 20% of the population living in each region.
But, an even population distribution is a bit unrealistic. People can be risk averse, people could be inexperienced, people can simply be uninterested in pvp. Fact of the matter is, its unlikely that hi sec will ever have less than 40% or 50% of the general population.
So lets assume, for simplicity, that we have 50% of the eve population to distribute over Low sec, Npc 0.0, Sov, and WH. An even distribution between these more dangerous zones would put the population in each at 12.5%. Current Sov population levels are at 11%? Hmmmm, doesn't look that far off tbh.
Jenn aSide wrote: The problem isn't null sec sucking, it's that the rest of space has been buffed (or in the cas eof wormholes, 'added') while the last null sec buff (system upgrades scheme) was quickly nerfed soon after it's introduction. .... It's a broken situation, yet some people are in so much denial it's crazy.
Wrong. Facwar (and therefore lowsec isk generation) has undergone at least one high profile nerf in the last two years. Hisec underwent both the incursion nerf (which was quite significant) and the meta 0 nerf which removed a considerable source of minerals from missions and therefore revenue. The probing changes didn't do any favors for level 5 lowsec missions and unscannable eccm tengus. Both the probing changes and meta 0 nerfs affected NPC 0.0 income as well, since pirate missions are a significant source of income for those areas.
Just because you are ignorant of nerfs to other types of space does NOT mean they didn't happen. The only one in denial here seems to be you. |

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
398
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:10:00 -
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Obviously hisec is not broken. Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,-á but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars. |

Dave Stark
4187
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:18:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: It's like seeing an apartment building with 100 apartments and 3 of them rented and saying "if this building sucks so much, why are their 3 families in there?" lol.
Northern Associates. - 4859 members Brothers of Tangra - 5003 members Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere - 2856 members Those are 3 of the 4 largest alliances in the game. Your analogy just doesn't hold water. Why would 11% of eve choose to live in sov if it was total ****? Objectively, that just doesn't make sense.
because it offers unique game mechanics people find fun regardless of being inferior in most other ways? however having a unique game mechanic isn't a valid reason for the null sec to be **** to live in on a day to day basis. |

TharOkha
0asis Group
764
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:42:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
The problem isn't null sec sucking, it's that the rest of space has been buffed ...
Can I ask you to stop cherry picking and spinning of the facts? I play since 2007 and L4s, loot, salvage, etc was nerfed several times.
Quote:i was off today and the family was out at work and school so i spent 4 hours doing SOE missions in Lanngisi, at the end of that I sold a bunch of sister's core probes and bought a plex (rather than wait for that accounts sub to lapse since in 2 weeks). I hate missions but you just can't beat that rate of return except high sec incursions of chaining FW lvl4 missions. If i'd use that same machariel in null sec anoms I might have cleared close to that much isk, but hell, WHY? I didn't even have to glance at local in lanngisi.
SOE nullsec missions pays 50% more LP than those in hisec. And yet you've done them in hisec. Its the question of security, not about nerfing/buffing missions.
Quote:It's a broken situation, yet some people are in so much denial it's crazy.
Its not broken situation. No matter how better is the payoff in lower security space, people are still preferring security over better payments.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1956
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:46:00 -
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[quote=Seleia O'Sinnor]Obviously hisec is not broken.[/quote
Which would explain why most Eve characters choose to play there really.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4318
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:15:00 -
[863] - Quote
PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Only if you ignore where people put the other 89%, sure.
Well, lets actually take a look at the different regions of eve. There are 5 distinct regions: Hi sec, Low Sec, NPC 0.0, Sov, and WH space. If there was an even population distribution, we could expect to see 20% of the population living in each region. But, an even population distribution is a bit unrealistic. People can be risk averse, people could be inexperienced, people can simply be uninterested in pvp. Fact of the matter is, its unlikely that hi sec will ever have less than 40% or 50% of the general population. So lets assume, for simplicity, that we have 50% of the eve population to distribute over Low sec, Npc 0.0, Sov, and WH. An even distribution between these more dangerous zones would put the population in each at 12.5%. Current Sov population levels are at 11%? Hmmmm, doesn't look that far off tbh.
None of which is the point. You said (paraphrasing) "if null sucks, why are "so many" people renting?". The fact is, renters are not a huge population and to ask that question requires you ignore thevery simple fact that the vast majority of characters aren't in null sec.
As has been explained to others there is a reason for that. Outsider think null sec is all officer spawns and deadspace loot, but why bother when you can just do high sec incursions or sisters/thukker missions in high sec (none of which is chance based like sov null pve is)?
Feel free to ignore what's right in front of you, everyone else in high sec is.
Quote: Wrong. Facwar (and therefore lowsec isk generation) has undergone at least one high profile nerf in the last two years.
And what a fine nerf it was. . I joined minnie FW and tried it myself. I lost 2 drakes and made 500 mil in an afternoon, would have made more but some of the stations I couldn't' dock in because they belong to the amarr guys.
Some nerf.
Quote: Hisec underwent both the incursion nerf (which was quite significant) and the meta 0 nerf which removed a considerable source of minerals from missions and therefore revenue.
Gee, i ran with TVP this weekend and made 120 mil an hour. And the proper way to run missions is to blitz for LP after you have high faction standing to burn .
Quote: The probing changes didn't do any favors for level 5 lowsec missions and unscannable eccm tengus. Both the probing changes and meta 0 nerfs affected NPC 0.0 income as well, since pirate missions are a significant source of income for those areas.
Just because you are ignorant of nerfs to other types of space does NOT mean they didn't happen. The only one in denial here seems to be you.
This is so ignorant it's not funny anymore. Who in the blue blazes salvages pirate missions? And properly fit T3 are still very hard to scan.
You miss the point (apparently from a lack of experience). When i started playing, you wanted null income, you went to null. Now it's "you want null income, you must be a special education student, null income is a lot of hassle just to be screwed over by a random number generator".
The original question is "why are so many people renting?" . The answer has been explained: most people don't, most rent-able systems are not rented. The real question should be is "why are SMART people not renting, why are smart people flying freaking drakes and caracals in FacWar or doing high sec incursions/sister's missions under the protection of CONCORD when null sec is this magical land of milk and honey?"
Ask the right questions for a change. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4318
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:26:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Quote:i was off today and the family was out at work and school so i spent 4 hours doing SOE missions in Lanngisi, at the end of that I sold a bunch of sister's core probes and bought a plex (rather than wait for that accounts sub to lapse since in 2 weeks). I hate missions but you just can't beat that rate of return except high sec incursions of chaining FW lvl4 missions. If i'd use that same machariel in null sec anoms I might have cleared close to that much isk, but hell, WHY? I didn't even have to glance at local in lanngisi. SOE nullsec missions pays 50% more LP than those in hisec. And yet you've done them in hisec. Its the question of security, not about nerfing/buffing missions.
All factors combine. it's not just the security, it's the level of pay + the security. The nearly uninterpretable nature of high sec means being able to make the same (or slightly less isk) as i could doing things in null sec makes high sec 100 times more attractive than it should be.
As I've said, when i started playing, there was ample reason to brave nullsec. Sure there were sisters missions back then (I ran them in Gicodel) but that was before Wormholes (which lead to sister's probing gear being SUPER valuable even after the introduction of tech2 probe launchers). The only really broken thing back then was the high sec lvl5 mission bug which took ccp forever to fix.
But now, it's simply crazy. It's not only not necessary to go to null for that level of income anymore, it's STUPID to do so, the minor chances of an escalation or faction spawn (complete with "ammo+tag and nothing else") or the chance of a good to great drop from a plex is far outweighed by the non-random and totally steady nature of high sec incursions and sisters missions that were already spewing insane isk/lp conversion rates and that's about to get buffed again by the Nestor. And that's not mentioning Thukker missions or the insanity that faction warfare in low sec is. Hell, there's even freaking tag farming in low now.
PVE is essential in null sec because it's an opportunity for conflict and the destruction that feeds the EVE economy. CCP has been going backwards with regards to actually living in null sec for a long time (only slightly mitigated by the introduction of mobile depots and mobil cyno jammers).
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
684
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:31:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: The probing changes didn't do any favors for level 5 lowsec missions and unscannable eccm tengus. Both the probing changes and meta 0 nerfs affected NPC 0.0 income as well, since pirate missions are a significant source of income for those areas.
Just because you are ignorant of nerfs to other types of space does NOT mean they didn't happen. The only one in denial here seems to be you.
This is so ignorant it's not funny anymore. Who in the blue blazes salvages pirate missions? And properly fit T3 are still very hard to scan. Actually, PotatoOverdose makes a good point. Whenever hi sec nerfs are discussed, the consensus from the most outspoken null sec players is that hi sec hasn't been ever nerfed because the nerfs aren't exclusively targeting hi sec. This same standard should be applied to nerfs that are not exclusive to null sec. In other words, if it's a nerf affecting other securities of space then it is NOT a null sec nerf. That you think people are idiots for salvaging/looting pirate missions is irrelevant and your own personal opinion.
Use the same standard and judging criteria you use when you claim hi sec has never been nerfed, because I'm pretty sure I've read you stating this a couple of times.
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Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:43:00 -
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I am making an open offer right now to any and all alliances who hold Sov in null:
If it is so terrible, I will gladly take it off your hands. I will gladly rake in the profits from moon goo, PI, Anoms, Sigs and renters fees while begging for buffs to null and nerfs to every other segment of the game. Not one of you will take me up on the offer. Why? Can't afford it? Don't want to lose out on your passive free income sources of PI and Moon Goo?
You are just complaining about being forced into 10% tidi PVP or being camped by AFK cloakers. You just can't admit it. You want everyone else to suffer with lame mechanics (like AFK cloakers) and fleet battles that take 16 hours for your fast locker to tell your sentries what to do.
Meanwhile, you don't want anything changed with your precious ISK faucets.
Stop the charade. If hi sec is a better place to make ISK (while raking in the ISK profits from your null sources) then maybe we should be looking into making more space like hi sec? It is better by your own declaration. The crying in this thread is by far the most hypocritical garbage I have heard. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4318
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:02:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:I am making an open offer right now to any and all alliances who hold Sov in null:
If it is so terrible, I will gladly take it off your hands. I will gladly rake in the profits from moon goo, PI, Anoms, Sigs and renters fees while begging for buffs to null and nerfs to every other segment of the game. Not one of you will take me up on the offer. Why? Can't afford it? Don't want to lose out on your passive free income sources of PI and Moon Goo?
You are just complaining about being forced into 10% tidi PVP or being camped by AFK cloakers. You just can't admit it. You want everyone else to suffer with lame mechanics (like AFK cloakers) and fleet battles that take 16 hours for your fast locker to tell your sentries what to do.
Meanwhile, you don't want anything changed with your precious ISK faucets.
Stop the charade. If hi sec is a better place to make ISK (while raking in the ISK profits from your null sources) then maybe we should be looking into making more space like hi sec? It is better by your own declaration. The crying in this thread is by far the most hypocritical garbage I have heard.
It's incredible how some people mistake individual players for the ENTIRE ALLIANCEs they are in lol.
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Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:I am making an open offer right now to any and all alliances who hold Sov in null:
If it is so terrible, I will gladly take it off your hands. I will gladly rake in the profits from moon goo, PI, Anoms, Sigs and renters fees while begging for buffs to null and nerfs to every other segment of the game. Not one of you will take me up on the offer. Why? Can't afford it? Don't want to lose out on your passive free income sources of PI and Moon Goo?
You are just complaining about being forced into 10% tidi PVP or being camped by AFK cloakers. You just can't admit it. You want everyone else to suffer with lame mechanics (like AFK cloakers) and fleet battles that take 16 hours for your fast locker to tell your sentries what to do.
Meanwhile, you don't want anything changed with your precious ISK faucets.
Stop the charade. If hi sec is a better place to make ISK (while raking in the ISK profits from your null sources) then maybe we should be looking into making more space like hi sec? It is better by your own declaration. The crying in this thread is by far the most hypocritical garbage I have heard. It's incredible how some people mistake individual players for the ENTIRE ALLIANCEs they are in lol.
Based on the post count of whines from the nullbears, one could easily assume. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4318
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:17:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:I am making an open offer right now to any and all alliances who hold Sov in null:
If it is so terrible, I will gladly take it off your hands. I will gladly rake in the profits from moon goo, PI, Anoms, Sigs and renters fees while begging for buffs to null and nerfs to every other segment of the game. Not one of you will take me up on the offer. Why? Can't afford it? Don't want to lose out on your passive free income sources of PI and Moon Goo?
You are just complaining about being forced into 10% tidi PVP or being camped by AFK cloakers. You just can't admit it. You want everyone else to suffer with lame mechanics (like AFK cloakers) and fleet battles that take 16 hours for your fast locker to tell your sentries what to do.
Meanwhile, you don't want anything changed with your precious ISK faucets.
Stop the charade. If hi sec is a better place to make ISK (while raking in the ISK profits from your null sources) then maybe we should be looking into making more space like hi sec? It is better by your own declaration. The crying in this thread is by far the most hypocritical garbage I have heard. It's incredible how some people mistake individual players for the ENTIRE ALLIANCEs they are in lol. Based on the post count of whines from the nullbears, one could easily assume.
That's the problem with prejudice, it makes one unwilling to acknowledge the truth.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:27:00 -
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Some time ago, the constant complaints from the pixel hard-men 'persuaded' CCP to nerf level 4 mission loot.
CCP complied by introducing 'metal scraps' into level 4 missions.
The same pixel hard-men then complained that the introduction of metal scraps was, in fact, a nerf against those who attacked mission ships and or got to the mission wrecks first.
I have never been able to take the complaints of those who wish to nerf hi-sec seriously since.
Some Eve Online players are professional whingers ( from hi-sec, lo-sec and null-sec ) it is unlikely CCP will ever be able to satisfy them. If CCP did decide to nerf hi-sec the professional whingers would still not be happy.
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