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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2014.01.27 06:49:00 -
[1411] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:ESS can't work in high sec due to the inability to defend it from Neuts, where as Null Sec you can shotgun anyone who looks suspicious. Other than that issue, a 25% income boost sounds great.
ESS can work in highsec that's what suspect timers are for. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
970
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Posted - 2014.01.27 06:57:00 -
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And then you get into a complicated mess of what gives you the timer. And if warping to it gives you the timer, why doesn't warping to a mission pocket or a mission ship or or or..... Get the idea of the mess it potentially opens? If just interacting with it gives the timer... then you can warp to it, preposition your fleet ready before hand, use a super tanked ship to interact with it etc etc etc.
It's a massive can of worms trying to open something like this up to high sec because of the correlations between it and a bunch of other locations.
Of course, if you are trying to argue that high sec bounties are too high an isk faucet and should be nerfed.... Yea, LMAO, refer to earlier maths in thread showing exactly how little income relative to the absolute faucet actually comes from high sec. |

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 07:08:00 -
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Most likely CCP would loose a big portion of their revenue which would mean their stock would decrease and it would lead to staff layoffs which would cut the game developement and eventualy it would lead to the point where the game would only be played by few "elite nerds" who like to blow each other up.
So please do remove high sec... I hope it turns out nicely for you.
After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
113
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Posted - 2014.01.27 07:30:00 -
[1414] - Quote
Azrael Dinn wrote:Most likely CCP would loose a big portion of their revenue which would mean their stock would decrease and it would lead to staff layoffs which would cut the game developement and eventualy it would lead to the point where the game would only be played by few "elite nerds" who like to blow each other up.
So please do remove high sec... I hope it turns out nicely for you.
Why? You WANT the things you prophesised to come true?
Why are you playing if you want the game to fail?
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
658
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Posted - 2014.01.27 08:37:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:Most likely CCP would loose a big portion of their revenue which would mean their stock would decrease and it would lead to staff layoffs which would cut the game developement and eventualy it would lead to the point where the game would only be played by few "elite nerds" who like to blow each other up.
So please do remove high sec... I hope it turns out nicely for you.
The percentage cost of acquisition of a sub for a player that subsequently lives in null is smaller, because those players typically have longer lasting subs. This is something CCP has pointed out themselves, and is clearly reflected in all the steps they've taken to make null less exclusive.
The whole nerf moongoo alliance level income thing had a side effect that makes it -no longer important- if highsec income falls below nullsec income.
ie any person playing this game on a character without a massive blatant history of awoxing will have no trouble accessing null, getting themselves half-a-donut sized blue list, and having either CFC, PL or N3 protect them from needing to engage in SOV warfare. Honestly within the broad scope of the defences available to you, the rest of the problem falls into "no harder than running a mission, and just as accessible". If you like it a little harder than that, then pack your mobile depot into your T3 jump through the lowsec camp, and pass straight through the bubbles untouched on the null borders and then setup behind the borders in some lowpop area.
ie CCP did a truly major right in making the conditions so conducive to renting, and by giving ninja's the tools that let them ninja properly.
In any case, this patch also contains a pirate quality faction battleship being put into an already overheated overpriced LP store, SOE LP will be for the foreseeable future far more valuable than ESS LP, and for the foreseable future highsec players that can do LP arithmetic will still make 100m+ /hr. |

Thirtythousand
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.01.27 08:47:00 -
[1416] - Quote
yes, this includes titles of other games. but these are statistics showing over all global search trends. which means number of times people put things into google and hit enter.
im sure this post will break at least one forum rules. but im not attacking eve. i wouldnt have played it for 10 years if i didnt want to try to find a niche i can enjoy. but i`ve given up and on my way out, trying to make at least ONE person realize that what they think makes eve special could very well be the thing hurting eve online`s success.
here are some troubling numbers for you.
go to google trends.
put in eve online, and star trek online. and come to a realization that STO is currently more popular then eve... Looks like more people prefer hand holding space them parks.
for some more fun, put in war thunder. which is now more popular then eve.
for tears, put in SWTOR. which many considered to be a flop. which is still more popular then eve.
for more tears, put in world of tanks and see it dwarf the chart.
for laughs put in Maple story and see that eve is currently about as popular as maple story.
for honest tears. put in final fantasy XIV and realize in a complete flop of a launch, shut down and relaunch is currently more popular.
hate to say it. but eve isnt very successful compared to other MMOs, yes there are MANY other games doing worse, and going out of business, but looking at the trends, and using basic prediction models, eves future doesnt look all that healthy and seems to be right at that breaking point where just enough people are still interested to keep it going, but who knows how many more poor choices CCP has left before eve goes the way of SWG.
some big MMOs that are considered dieing and on their way out are posting better numbers. in fact, STO, SWTOR and FFXIV are usually on most top 10 fail MMOs lists.
there may just be something to this hand held them park that people enjoy.
yes, wow is still King. yes, Ragnarok Online is still more popular. yes, FlyFF was more popular at one point.
no, ultima online is almost gone. same with SWG and sadly Anarchy online.
hate to say it, but CCP may do very well to release a PvE theme park only server where pvp is only consentual and loosing a ship is only a trip back to station as an experiment... im sure the thought has crossed their minds at one point or another. |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
113
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Posted - 2014.01.27 08:55:00 -
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Tauranon wrote: ie any person playing this game on a character without a massive blatant history of awoxing will have no trouble accessing null, getting themselves half-a-donut sized blue list, and having either CFC, PL or N3 protect them from needing to engage in SOV warfare. .
PFFFno
Just... no lol
That's the single most laughable statement I think Ive ever heard. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
658
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Posted - 2014.01.27 09:29:00 -
[1418] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Tauranon wrote: ie any person playing this game on a character without a massive blatant history of awoxing will have no trouble accessing null, getting themselves half-a-donut sized blue list, and having either CFC, PL or N3 protect them from needing to engage in SOV warfare. .
PFFFno Just... no lol That's the single most laughable statement I think Ive ever heard.
I can't possibly imagine - given that I'm perfectly aware of who plays in pblrd, since I'm privvy to the alliance chat, that any person could not find an actively recruiting corp out of the 80+ who would take them and even on the utterly distant chance that someone failed at that, there are other easily located renting alliances equally full of moderate standard corps.
I've got absolutely no idea why you'd even post that dribble.
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
113
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Posted - 2014.01.27 09:39:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:
I can't possibly imagine - given that I'm perfectly aware of who plays in pblrd, since I'm privvy to the alliance chat, that any person could not find an actively recruiting corp out of the 80+ who would take them and even on the utterly distant chance that someone failed at that, there are other easily located renting alliances equally full of moderate standard corps.
I've got absolutely no idea why you'd even post that dribble.
I think you will find the word is "drivel"
And I posted it because its true. None of the groups you have quoted have open recruitment, and they would be mad to, if they did. |

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 09:39:00 -
[1420] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Azrael Dinn wrote:Most likely CCP would loose a big portion of their revenue which would mean their stock would decrease and it would lead to staff layoffs which would cut the game developement and eventualy it would lead to the point where the game would only be played by few "elite nerds" who like to blow each other up.
So please do remove high sec... I hope it turns out nicely for you.
Why? You WANT the things you prophesised to come true? Why are you playing if you want the game to fail?
I don't want the game to fail but the problem with the current mechanics and trends are showing that the game ain't what it used to be. Also I answered the topic what would happen if high sec would be nerfed and it's not something I would want to see but it is what would most likely happen in a longer period of time. After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
113
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Posted - 2014.01.27 09:44:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:
I don't want the game to fail....... it's not something I would want to see
Azrael Dinn wrote:So please do remove high sec... I hope it turns out nicely for you.
Whatever you say Jack, you're the Master Race |

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 09:51:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:Azrael Dinn wrote:
I don't want the game to fail....... it's not something I would want to see
Azrael Dinn wrote:So please do remove high sec... I hope it turns out nicely for you. Whatever you say Jack, you're the Master Race
Oh dear god... how do people like you even born and survive the childhood. After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
113
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Posted - 2014.01.27 09:54:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:
Oh dear god... how do people like you even born and survive the childhood.
Personal attacks, nice :) If you could stick to answering the question, that would be great.
I see you must do well communicating with human beings.
Also, I notice you are against the reduction in safety of High Sec in this thread, but for the removal of cloaks as a method for safe transversal of low sec in another thread.
How do you rationalise these two views and the possibility they could be seen as being in direct opposition of each other? |

Tesco Ergo Sum
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:00:00 -
[1424] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:
The percentage cost of acquisition of a sub for a player that subsequently lives in null is smaller, because those players typically have longer lasting subs. This is something CCP has pointed out themselves, and is clearly reflected in all the steps they've taken to make null less exclusive.
[snip]
Please, you only exist because of the "accords" signed, that is about as exclusive as you can get...
NPC Null - a very small section of Null B0T/PBLRD - I won't support either Provi - oh wait, they only exist because others call the shots for them
So where is this "less exclusive Null"? |

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:11:00 -
[1425] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Azrael Dinn wrote:
Oh dear god... how do people like you even born and survive the childhood.
Personal attacks, nice :) If you could stick to answering the question, that would be great. I see you must do well communicating with human beings. Also, I notice you are against the reduction in safety of High Sec in this thread, but for the removal of cloaks as a method for safe transversal of low sec in another thread. How do you rationalise these two views and the possibility they could be seen as being in direct opposition of each other?
If you do not understand any sarcasm it is not my fault and trying to type calmly and in a literary way just doesn't help your case here. How I communicate is my bussiness and my bussiness alone and if you don't like it then it's one of your problems... again.
Now back to your other "problems".
I do not need rationalise two seperate points of views from two seperate topics as they are complerely different and that is why there is no point of merging them together into a topic where the question is what would happen if high sec would be nerfed.
I have stated what I think what would happen and thats it.
So please stay on topic mr I'm better communicator than you After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
113
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:16:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote: How I communicate is my bussiness and my bussiness alone and if you don't like it then it's one of your problems... again.
No it isn't. Its the business of you and those who you communicate with, unless you are of the belief that you say something and that makes it a fact. Is communication a one-way street for you?
Azrael Dinn wrote: I do not need rationalise two seperate points of views from two seperate topics as they are complerely different and that is why there is no point of merging them together into a topic where the question is what would happen if high sec would be nerfed.
Im perplexed why you think these two topics are unconnected. If Hisec were more dangerous, would cloaking ships not be more useful? It is was safer, would that in any way effect your wish to have their effect reduced in lowsec? I can't understand how one would not effect the other.
Azrael Dinn wrote:So please stay on topic mr I'm better communicator than you
I have, Im keeping you on topic by asking you not to question my parentage, if thats ok.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
658
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:25:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:Tauranon wrote:
I can't possibly imagine - given that I'm perfectly aware of who plays in pblrd, since I'm privvy to the alliance chat, that any person could not find an actively recruiting corp out of the 80+ who would take them and even on the utterly distant chance that someone failed at that, there are other easily located renting alliances equally full of moderate standard corps.
I've got absolutely no idea why you'd even post that dribble.
I think you will find the word is "drivel" And I posted it because its true. None of the groups you have quoted have open recruitment, and they would be mad to, if they did.
No dribble was the word I was looking for, I'm a native English speaker, and I am quite capable of selecting the word I want.
I had a casual glance over the recruitment forums, and yes there was a Vale located PBLRD corp recruiting ad on the front page at the time of this post, directly requesting people that want to PVE, and it happens to be a corp I'm familiar with and can vouch for the accuracy of their ad (and no it isn't my corp).
perhaps its easier for me to see that, since I immediately recognise the name of the local corps.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
658
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:33:00 -
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Tesco Ergo Sum wrote:Tauranon wrote:
The percentage cost of acquisition of a sub for a player that subsequently lives in null is smaller, because those players typically have longer lasting subs. This is something CCP has pointed out themselves, and is clearly reflected in all the steps they've taken to make null less exclusive.
[snip]
Please, you only exist because of the "accords" signed, that is about as exclusive as you can get... NPC Null - a very small section of Null B0T/PBLRD - I won't support either Provi - oh wait, they only exist because others call the shots for them So where is this "less exclusive Null"?
I've already answered this point. The CFC does not vett, veto or control my recruiting. In your particular case, you have let "caring about politics" blind you to the extent of not realising that it is not necessary for the average bear to care about politics to live in null anymore.
In fact the -longer- I rent from the CFC, the more desirable a renter I become to N3, because long term occupants require less effort on behalf of the landlord, which leads them to occasionally shooting me an offer via mail. There are ex NA renter corps in PLBRD. ie its pretty much a neutral statement these days to be a renter, regardless of who you rent from. |

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 10:37:00 -
[1429] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote: No it isn't. Its the business of you and those who you communicate with, unless you are of the belief that you say something and that makes it a fact. Is communication a one-way street for you?
Well in your case I see it might best to stay on a one-way street 
Billy McCandless wrote: Im perplexed why you think these two topics are unconnected. If Hisec were more dangerous, would cloaking ships not be more useful? It is was safer, would that in any way effect your wish to have their effect reduced in lowsec? I can't understand how one would not effect the other.
It realy is not my problem if you do not undestand something. Though your name "Candless" kinda says it all  But if you have something you want to talk about lowsec cloaking or other cloaking we can talk about those in another topic cause they don't reflect this topic.
Billy McCandless wrote: I have, Im keeping you on topic by asking you not to question my parentage, if thats ok.
Stay on topic which is What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec? and it has nothing to do with your origins.
I wonder did my quoting work  After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
114
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Posted - 2014.01.27 11:04:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:Well in your case I see it might best to stay on a one-way street  .
Again, another personal attack. You are not even making any kind of point here.
Azrael Dinn wrote: Though your name "Candless" kinda says it all 
In what way? Also, its McCandless, I think you will find.
Azrael Dinn wrote:But if you have something you want to talk about lowsec cloaking or other cloaking we can talk about those in another topic cause they don't reflect this topic.
Ive already explained how one effects the other, which you are now choosing to ignore.
Azrael Dinn wrote:Stay on topic which is What would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec? and it has nothing to do with your origins.
Then don't bring it up then and attempt (unsuccessfully) to derail the topic.
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Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
114
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Posted - 2014.01.27 11:05:00 -
[1431] - Quote
Tauranon wrote: No dribble was the word I was looking for, I'm a native English speaker, and I am quite capable of selecting the word I want.
I didnt realise you wanted the wrong word.
Tauranon wrote:I had a casual glance over the recruitment forums, and yes there was a Vale located PBLRD corp recruiting ad on the front page at the time of this post, directly requesting people that want to PVE, and it happens to be a corp I'm familiar with and can vouch for the accuracy of their ad (and no it isn't my corp).
perhaps its easier for me to see that, since I immediately recognise the name of the local corps.
I can see why you may believe this to be the case.
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Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:03:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:crap sniped out
 Your not even worth an answer after that.
Good day. After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9942
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:33:00 -
[1433] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Of course, if you are trying to argue that high sec bounties are too high an isk faucet and should be nerfed....
No, we say that isk earning in empire is too high and should be reduced to below null sec so that there is a reason to go there. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics Mildly Intoxicated
228
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Of course, if you are trying to argue that high sec bounties are too high an isk faucet and should be nerfed.... No, we say that isk earning in empire is too high and should be reduced to below null sec so that there is a reason to go there.
Then why just not boost the economy in null and make it more lucrative and leave high sec be as it is? I've been in this game long enough to know how people act and demant things for them selfs and goons are no exception to that so why not just boost null and leave high sec as it is. After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm |

Kira Enomoto
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Of course, if you are trying to argue that high sec bounties are too high an isk faucet and should be nerfed.... No, we say that isk earning in empire is too high and should be reduced to below null sec so that there is a reason to go there.
Numerous posters have already shown you CCP data showing that it is already higher in null than HS. |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
115
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:38:00 -
[1436] - Quote
Azrael Dinn wrote: Your not even worth an answer after that.
Good day.
I accept your apology |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9944
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:39:00 -
[1437] - Quote
Kira Enomoto wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Of course, if you are trying to argue that high sec bounties are too high an isk faucet and should be nerfed.... No, we say that isk earning in empire is too high and should be reduced to below null sec so that there is a reason to go there. Numerous posters have already shown you CCP data showing that it is already higher in null than HS.
Where?
All I have seen is data on isk fausets which is useless for looking into income levels.
Null sec mostly rewards in raw isk while high sec gives most of its reward in LP. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4476
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:45:00 -
[1438] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Kira Enomoto wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Of course, if you are trying to argue that high sec bounties are too high an isk faucet and should be nerfed.... No, we say that isk earning in empire is too high and should be reduced to below null sec so that there is a reason to go there. Numerous posters have already shown you CCP data showing that it is already higher in null than HS. Where? All I have seen is data on isk fausets which is useless for looking into income levels. Null sec mostly rewards in raw isk while high sec gives most of its reward in LP.
I still don't know why this is hard to understand.
Hell it's incredibly easy to replicate so they can go see this for themselves (it's not hard to gain access to null sec). They don't as they aren't interested in the truth of the matter.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
366
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:46:00 -
[1439] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Where?
All I have seen is data on isk fausets which is useless for looking into income levels.
Null sec mostly rewards in raw isk while high sec gives most of its reward in LP.
Hahahahahaha.
This is so untrue it's actually funny.
There's plenty of ways to make income in null, and the highest earning ones do not directly involve any ratting. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9944
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Posted - 2014.01.27 13:51:00 -
[1440] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:Where?
All I have seen is data on isk fausets which is useless for looking into income levels.
Null sec mostly rewards in raw isk while high sec gives most of its reward in LP. Hahahahahaha. This is so untrue it's actually funny. There's plenty of ways to make income in null, and the highest earning ones do not directly involve any ratting.
Name them. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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