Show me how to blitz missions continuously without losing faction standings, I'll start paying more attention. To keep blitzing and maintaining 100M ISK/hr, you have to keep declining missions. The moment you have to start running non-blitzable missions, your time efficiency goes down. So you make 100M ISK in the first hour, then you have to run two non-blitzable missions because you're dangerously close to -2.0 with the faction and now your earning rate is down..

The more I think about it the best solution is redistributing income from higher end missions to lower end.

Take some of the reward from L4 and L3 then split it and give 1/4 of it to L5s, 1/4 of it to L2s and 2/4s of it to L1s. It'll aid newbie retention because it will be much easier for them to fund their activities and it will nerf mid-range highsec combat PVE income.

I did reject missions into low-sec. I listed a whole bunch of min-maxing conditionals to make it work, e.g. "* cherry pick missions, i.e. use faction standings to decline a mission more than once every 4 hours." In this case I was using standings to skip multiple low-sec missions per four hour block. If you actually cherry-pick the profitable missions, then you need to look at rows 41-47 to see what could be possible.

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tl;dr - Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Let's be careful with the numbers we throw around.

Or just do said boost to Lvl 2's & 1's which is needed, while not nerfing the lvl 3's & 4's that isn't needed. You don't have to nerf lvl 4's to boost lvl 1's. High Sec is not a major isk faucet.

I do listen but, I expect you to make a cogent argument against the topic at hand and not a strawman. If you decided to do something stupid like that I'm not going to take you seriously or give you a good response. Its proof it occurs and can occur with a moderately skilled pilot, 1-2 year old pilots. "Think of the newbies" doesn't work in this context because newbies don't run L4s. I agree though that the newbies should be considered and if we're going to do that it means decreasing the income from L4 and L3 then giving it to L1 and L2. That way new players have better access to income and it also achieves the highsec income nerf.

His sample is representative enough and if you want to get data to prove otherwise surveymonkey is free go ahead, prove his data is not representative. You just stating stuff doesn't mean a thing.

Or just do said boost to Lvl 2's & 1's which is needed, while not nerfing the lvl 3's & 4's that isn't needed. You don't have to nerf lvl 4's to boost lvl 1's. High Sec is not a major isk faucet.

You notice you are te only one talking about a "major isk faucet"?

Why do you refuse to even understand what is being said?

His data may very well be representative. I'm simply saying that, I don't know because his data only illustrates, as far I can tell, that reaching 100+ mill per hour is possible. It does not establish a norm or long term sustainability.

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1)My missioner bounces between SOE and Caldari Navy, this allows me at LEAST level 3 access with EVERY empire....and minimal up keep.
2) With social, negotiation, and dilpo V you can dump 4-5 missions in an hour and stay around +6 with an agent

Even "not blitzing" you are still pushing anomaly income.

Oh, I understand. The Null cheer brigade are trying to destroy High Sec by cherry picking statistics like they always do and denying the figures from CCP that don't agree with them. That's what is being said in reality.

Oh, I understand. The Null cheer brigade are trying to destroy High Sec by cherry picking statistics like they always do and denying the figures from CCP that don't agree with them. That's what is being said in reality.

Or just do said boost to Lvl 2's & 1's which is needed, while not nerfing the lvl 3's & 4's that isn't needed. You don't have to nerf lvl 4's to boost lvl 1's. High Sec is not a major isk faucet.

That's right folks, Stoicfaux did not use the word "edge". He used the phrase "cherry-pick" and pointed out that you have to use your faction standings as a buffer to allow you to simply decline all the missions that you can't blitz for over 100M ISK/hr effective income.

And this strategy fails if too may other people start following it because the ISK/LP drops.

And this strategy absolutely ignores the time cost of converting LP to ISK.

In null sec you get 60M ISK/hr in a heavy drone Ishtar, that ISK is deposited in your walled. In hi sec you get 100M ISK/hr, 65% of which is LP from blitzed missions, which you then have to convert into ISK by buying tags, purchasing LP store items, then nursing market listings. If you include that time, the ISK/hr again goes down: if you pile a dozen hour's worth of LP items into a ship and spend just one hour setting up orders you are going to flood your own market. You have to spread sales out to where they're going to make the most money.

If you lose a blockade runner then you deserve to lose that isk.

That's right folks, Stoicfaux did not use the word "edge". He used the phrase "cherry-pick" and pointed out that you have to use your faction standings as a buffer to allow you to simply decline all the missions that you can't blitz for over 100M ISK/hr effective income.

And this strategy fails if too may other people start following it because the ISK/LP drops.

And this strategy absolutely ignores the time cost of converting LP to ISK.

In null sec you get 60M ISK/hr in a heavy drone Ishtar, that ISK is deposited in your walled. In hi sec you get 100M ISK/hr, 65% of which is LP from blitzed missions, which you then have to convert into ISK by buying tags, purchasing LP store items, then nursing market listings. If you include that time, the ISK/hr again goes down: if you pile a dozen hour's worth of LP items into a ship and spend just one hour setting up orders you are going to flood your own market. You have to spread sales out to where they're going to make the most money.

Oh, I understand. The Null cheer brigade are trying to destroy High Sec by cherry picking statistics like they always do and denying the figures from CCP that don't agree with them. That's what is being said in reality.

And?

So then then choice becomes "use Ishtar, make 60 mil liquid isk, have to dock up, safe up or fight when people come at you because there is no CONCORD out there, and maybe have to replace your ship...

Or

Create/buy high sec alt, make the same 60 mil an hour (100 mil an hour minus the time it takes to convert LP lol) protected by CONCORD and maybe even an npc corp which can't even be war decced, in no danger whatsoever as long as you don't bling you ship past the point of ganker profitability.

Can you not see the problem with the above? How do you think the games combat PVE risk.reward scheme is supposed to work. And if you do know hiow it's supposed to work, can you say it's working properly?

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You can also have multiple characters, and when you have to dump more than one or two missions in a four hour period you just switch to a different character.

Even "not blitzing" you are still pushing anomaly income.

So basically to reach your claimed level of income certain concepts must be met

In order to do so we've established that one must have a bling worthy ship.
Must mission exclusively in one of three spots
Must avoid the gankers who have taken up residence in those 3 spots
Must only run 9 or 10 out of all the available missions
Must have the standing to turn down all the other missions
Must run those missions perfectly for hours/days/months because seconds add up and can hurt isk per hour greatly
Must be able to convert LP to items almost instantly
Must be able to get those items to market without any loss and without spending hours doing it themselves
Must not waste time fighting with the market warriors over sales


Am I forgetting anything?

Currently ganker profitability isn't much of a factor when "tears" are so valued. IF you want 100m an hour though you're going to need some bling.

So basically to reach your claimed level of income certain concepts must be met

So basically to reach your claimed level of income certain concepts must be met

In order to do so we've established that one must have a bling worthy ship.
Must mission exclusively in one of three spots
Must avoid the gankers who have taken up residence in those 3 spots
Must only run 9 or 10 out of all the available missions
Must have the standing to turn down all the other missions
Must run those missions perfectly for hours/days/months because seconds add up and can hurt isk per hour greatly
Must be able to convert LP to items almost instantly
Must be able to get those items to market without any loss and without spending hours doing it themselves
Must not waste time fighting with the market warriors over sales


Am I forgetting anything?

Currently ganker profitability isn't much of a factor when "tears" are so valued. IF you want 100m an hour though you're going to need some bling.

So basically to reach your claimed level of income certain concepts must be met

In order to do so we've established that one must have a bling worthy ship.
Must mission exclusively in one of three spots
Must avoid the gankers who have taken up residence in those 3 spots
Must only run 9 or 10 out of all the available missions
Must have the standing to turn down all the other missions
Must run those missions perfectly for hours/days/months because seconds add up and can hurt isk per hour greatly
Must be able to convert LP to items almost instantly
Must be able to get those items to market without any loss and without spending hours doing it themselves
Must not waste time fighting with the market warriors over sales


Am I forgetting anything?

This is not true. My incursion Basilisk is not blingy.

Bazinga!

The best bit is that the Basilisk fits in the Orca's ship bay along with the Huginn. The most expensive things on the Huginn are the Fed Navy Stasis Webs. You just have to find fleets willing to take a Huginn over a Bhaalgorn, Vindicator, Loki, etc.

Oh, I understand. The Null cheer brigade are trying to destroy High Sec by cherry picking statistics like they always do and denying the figures from CCP that don't agree with them. That's what is being said in reality.

This is not true. My incursion Basilisk is not blingy, and the most expensive thijng on my mach is the mach itself. If yuo don't think Machs are common mission ships, I will be happy to direct you to the Lanngisi undock.