Risk free? So no one gets ganked in hi-sec any more?

This is not accurate or true. Anyone who does both knows this. I make over 120m isk per/hr in null just in anoms alone.

There is nothing that will get you that amount from anoms, please post what ship you are using, its fittings, any implants and provide the same details that we have done in the spreadsheet that you still most likely have not yet read.

This is not accurate or true. Anyone who does both knows this. I make over 120m isk per/hr in null just in anoms alone.

How in the high hells and hellsville did you come to that conclusion lol? I don't think there would be 836 people in The Valhalla Project's (TVP) chat channel for elss than 20 mil isk per hour (hell, one HQ site per hour is better isk than belt ratting a fully condition system's belts).



Not true at all. And it doesn't Take Sisters of EVE or Trust partners (Thukker) missions to cross that threshold. Regualr mission agents from industrial corps (with the right hardwirings in their LP stores) can get you there or close to it.

Where are you getting your information from? Also 90 mil an hour from anoms is what you get from a carrier or pirate BS, i have yet to see a T1 BS clear 30 mil ticks, and this after years of experimenting with everything including a blaster mega in both Serpentis and Guristas space.

I managed 60M ISK/hr belt ratting when I was in null sec for almost two weeks. Sadly my stint there were cut short by one of the directors of my corporation insulting one of the guys from CO2 and I logged in to find we were 17 hours through our 24 hour eviction notice. Yay Nullsec!

There's another issue I'd like to raise: there's far too much focus on "risk vs reward." If that was the only measure of how high an income should be, running a freighter through lowsec should surely be the highest paying career in the game. So please think about what you're saying. There's also effort vs reward, and intelligence vs reward: there should be opportunities to exploit which reward people who know what to look for.

Note too that mining in null sec is relatively dangerous, but ends up being the same value as mining in high sec because there are so many people extracting resources for which there is little demand. Mining doesn't scale, and there's no way to increase the reward of mining based on how risky or labour-intensive it is. Mining is a low-intelligence operation, so it has a low reward.

I'm looking forward to seeing how FW's "Sov Lite" gets translated into "Null Sov". The mechanisms provide ample opportunity for roaming gangs to look for fights scaled to their fleet: no longer will a roaming cruiser gang have to contend with being hot dropped by carrier loads of sentry drones.

The most risk free Read before you post.

The most risk free Read before you post.

My information is true but, your information on the other hand:

CURRENT CORPORATION
State War Academy [SWA] from 2012.07.28 23:03 to this day

You are not present on evekill, battleclinic, or zkill killboards. You are not in nullsec and you do not rat in nullsec.

Provide full API to prove otherwise.

E: You also still have not looked at my sheet so you don't even know what it says.

My information is true but, your information on the other hand:

CURRENT CORPORATION
State War Academy [SWA] from 2012.07.28 23:03 to this day

You are not present on evekill, battleclinic, or zkill killboards. You are not in nullsec and you do not rat in nullsec.

Provide full API to prove otherwise.

E: You also still have not looked at my sheet so you don't even know what it says.

You caught the lie too. I honest to God don't see why anyone feels the need to do this. Hell, Vindicators in Guristas space have trouble maintaining 35 mil ticks (105 mil an hour).

I too would like to see this magical 120 mil an hour sub cap.

You caught the lie too. I honest to God don't see why anyone feels the need to do this. Hell, Vindicators in Guristas space have trouble maintaining 35 mil ticks (105 mil an hour).

I too would like to see this magical 120 mil an hour sub cap.

I think its good how it is. Because players have choice if they want high sec, or low sec. Apparent safety or danger. Or just where beginers can exist and dont be massacred by older players so easy. CCP keep good balance, so one group or ideology dont get everything only because "we want, and give us".

So the most risk free? Then this would obviously br null-se

How is it good balance when you earn more in high sec than in null sov?

Who said I was using a sub cap? Like you I can make up any number I want...wait just now got 150m per/hr

can i haz officer spawn in high sec plox plox

As has been pointed out to you, officer spawns are so rare you are lucky to see more than one a year.

but they happen

I don't see why we would force people out of highsec. If you want a fight in lowsec/nullsec then you just attack something that is worth defending.
But anyways, what would happen if highsec was nerfed? Besides a portion of the player-base leaving? Don't really have a firm opinion, but I think wormholes would become more contested, and inflation would probably go up as people ratted way more. But after the initial learning phase, not a whole lot more ships would be lost in null and low. The fleets that gank smaller fleets would simply be larger, people would still have the exact same amount of ships to lose because income would in any case be lower unless suddenly all moons are towered (which in itself would not increase their wealth by too much due to T2 becoming cheaper). It would in essence nerf the nullsec income even more because more would be forced to make a living from moongoo.

Where are you getting your information from? Also 90 mil an hour from anoms is what you get from a carrier or pirate BS, i have yet to see a T1 BS clear 30 mil ticks, and this after years of experimenting with everything including a blaster mega in both Serpentis and Guristas space.

can i haz officer spawn in high sec plox plox

Risk : reward is the balancing metric, the higher the risk the higher the reward.

The quantitative metric we have to asses reward is isk/hr. Intelligence and effort should be given a place but, we don't have a way of putting those into a quantitative metric.

Intelligence I think is its own factor, you can be not intelligent at all and mine the crappiest ore forever or be extremely intelligent and manipulate the market of that crappy ore. I think its more of a factor of individual play styles than anything else.

Mining in null sec is far more effort and risk than in high sec. I think they run hand in hand most of the time.

Oh, one more thing: does a burger flipper get more reward for flipping burgers in a Macdonalds in The Bronx or in Wall Street? Nope, same minimum wage.

Oh, one more thing: does a burger flipper get more reward for flipping burgers in a Macdonalds in The Bronx or in Wall Street? Nope, same minimum wage.

Does a burger flipper get rewarded more for flipping more burgers? Nope. They push up the KPIs for other burger flippers to meet to get the same wage.