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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:52:00 -
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You know there's a pretty huge issue when
Goonswarm Federation Mordus Angels Fatal Ascension Razor Alliance Li3 Federation Tactical Narcotics Team Space Monkey's Alliance Pandemic Legion Black Legion Nulli Secunda Against All Authorities Darkness of Despair D00M. Northern Coalition. The Initiative. Brothers of Tangra Fidelas Constans Gentleman's Agreement Solar Fleet Circle of Two The Kadeshi Legion of xXDEATHXx Curatores Veritatis Alliance Spaceship Samurai Executive Outcomes
all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is so fucking stupid.
Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave. It's a trainwreck of bad ideas and nobody wants it for what it is, which is a giant kick in the gonads to anybody who already has to endure the misery of ratting in nullsec.
It doesn't work. There are so many wrong things with the mechanics it's like somebody looked at the list of "Things That Were Taken Out Of Eve Or Never Added In The First Place Because They Suck(ed)" and used that as a template to design the ESS. CCP SoniClover got his pompous ass handed to him by Weaselior who came in with officially published statements by other CCP employees showing that the stated reason for the ESS to exist was entirely false.
And all that we, the players of this game, have to show for our originally respectful criticism, is CCP SoniClover creating a PR disaster by pissing us off and assuming we're stupid.
Somebody else from CCP needs to step up and start dealing with this. And good luck if you go the "well let's just censor everything like we usually do" route. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:55:00 -
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o.O I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of. |
Fix Lag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:58:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:o.O I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.
If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark shit. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:00:00 -
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**** YES! ANOTHER SHOOT THE STATUE EVENT!
Oh wait... Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
WASPY69
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:04:00 -
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+1 The most useless, irrelevant addition to EVE in a long time. Not only that, but it spams local worse than Jita isk doublers...
"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System" "EVE System > *Person2* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System" "EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System" "EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System" "EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
And it goes on and on and on and on... make it stahp! |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:05:00 -
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Eh, yea I was just reading up on that.
That sounds awful. Oh my lord that is awful.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1415
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:06:00 -
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How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:07:00 -
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Seems to me they are trying to make you work in teams for an additonal 5% or not work in teams for a 5% reduction.
But what do I know I'm a hi-sec dweller. Loyd's Loot: Items for sale in Dodixie |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
232
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.
because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.
i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1415
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:10:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet. i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck.
Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:11:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Seems to me they are trying to make you work in teams for an additonal 5% or not work in teams for a 5% reduction.
They are trying quite a number of things and failing at all of them. Unless their stated goal was to get virtually everyone with any grasp of nullsec mechanics mad as hell.
Jack shit, and Jack just left town. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Norm Tempesta
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:13:00 -
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This kind of astounds me, it seems like a lot of work to make something seem like it is actually doing something useful, but in reality it is just a piece of non-wanted garbage. |
Fix Lag
652
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:14:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.
Really? That's funny because I have some CSM minutes here that say otherwise. Literally the exact opposite of what SoniClover said was happening with bounties. Page 21. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Von Brawn
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:20:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet
I dont know any 0.0 region that isnt full of uncatchable interceptor gangs. They stuffed a giant turd into the faucet already.
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Molenius Morrowinger
M - Intergalactics Inq.
22
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:21:00 -
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Haven't heard of him. Is SoniClover new Ghostcrawler of EVE? |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
14
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:24:00 -
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That does sound pretty stupid. But it's causing butthurt so ill get behind it. +1 for ESS. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:35:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet. i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck. Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way.
incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk. they generate a ton of loyalty points. which can be converted into an income, but they aren't pure isk faucets - or even close. they mostly generate wealth that is sold on the market.
ratting is basically a pure isk faucet.
note i'm not defending the ESS. i think it's a terrible idea - just pointing out some facts. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2104
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:39:00 -
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Quote:incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk.
Granted, you qualify this statement as "they generate loyalty points instead", but that is still bar none the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say on these forums. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:42:00 -
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I'm not sure I get it. So the unit steals money from ratters and then ratters have to get the money from the unit or thieves can get it instead? Oh god. |
Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:43:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:+1 for ESS Indeed. Long live the butthurt machine.
You didn't want that 5% anyway.
See what I did there? I used "didn't want anyway" because, you know, this is EVE.
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:50:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I'm not sure I get it.
I understand things can be confusing but here just re-read these 17 bullet points and 3 paragraphs and it will be perfectly understandable. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:56:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I'm not sure I get it. So the unit steals money from ratters and then ratters have to get the money from the unit or thieves can get it instead?
Yup.
If you dont use this deployable you are accepting a 5% nerf to income or you plant one which risks 20% of the income for a *potential* 5% bonus... Unless some jerkbag comes and steals from it in an interceptor. Which they will.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1417
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:07:00 -
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So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2104
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right?
I believe I shall propose that the ESS be applied to CONCORD payouts for Incursions.
It's the same lore principle, after all. And that'd be some emergent conduct, err, content. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
17
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:11:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I'm not sure I get it. So the unit steals money from ratters and then ratters have to get the money from the unit or thieves can get it instead? Yup. If you dont use this deployable you are accepting a 5% nerf to income or you plant one which risks 20% of the income for a *potential* 5% bonus... Unless some jerkbag comes and steals from it in an interceptor. Which they will.
That's gold.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1418
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:La Nariz wrote:So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right? I believe I shall propose that the ESS be applied to CONCORD payouts for Incursions. It's the same lore principle, after all. And that'd be some emergent conduct, err, content.
That is far too modest the good people of highsec are entitled to a 5% buff in income these should be placed in every highsec system. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2260
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:17:00 -
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Honestly between uncatchable interceptors and this stupid thing, i can't see any real reason to do any moneymaking in null. I mean running an anom right now nets me about 60-70m/h. Meanwhile I can go run an incursion for 100m/h+ and the only risk is hating myself. I already do that. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1026
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:21:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out why suddenly deploy-able structures are suddenly a hot item with CCP.
I mean, I realize they have nothing else important to work on.... And we had lots of posts demanding new structures....
How many man hours were invested in all these dumb structures? It's not like Tidi is going to fly in the long run, or the node crashes that happen every time a Super fight unfolds. The Sov system is basically broken, yet CCP seems to be more worried about ship balancing.
Who's steering the ship, the hamsters?
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2260
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:22:00 -
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Well better post post post until CCP locks the thread because apparently "This idea is ******* dumb" isn't "Constructive" or something.
Well I guess I'll post something constructive "Hey CCP why don't you take the dev time spent on dumb ideas like this and make the Pilgrim not suck" |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2261
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:25:00 -
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Better nerf nullsec income because individual pilots tend to make about 60-80M an hour, please ignore the elephant in the room (That Incursioners/Mission runners make more than that in relative safety).
Hey anyone remember "Farms and Fields?" What happened there? |
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