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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:41:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:There are no better tears than null sec tears. The fact that almost every major alliance is crying and whining over this means it was a great idea. So obviously, cutting all of high and lowsec income by 10% would be the best idea ever, considering how many would cry and whine (and how much more) over it, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
717
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:45:00 -
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Risk vs reward has been a topic for years, I think it is about time we form a player elected council to convey these concerns to the developers. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16473
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:45:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:There are no better tears than null sec tears. The fact that almost every major alliance is crying and whining over this means it was a great idea. Your Alliance must be proud.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
413
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:11:00 -
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i like it , like i said in other tread , a resub of a account just to toy with it in 0.0 The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
551
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:There are no better tears than null sec tears. The fact that almost every major alliance is crying and whining over this means it was a great idea. So obviously, cutting all of high and lowsec income by 10% would be the best idea ever, considering how many would cry and whine (and how much more) over it, right?
Would not bother me one little bit to take a 10% nerf to mission rewards and bounties for L4 missions. But if you nerf high sec missions where are the null sec residents going to go to make money?
I will say this though, my opinion (which most people in this thread don't give a **** about because the only valid opinion in their mind is their own and their sycophants) is that ALL deployable structures are ******* stupid. Should change the market tab to Deplorable Structures.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:22:00 -
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illirdor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:illirdor wrote:im soooooo gonna fly around and dropping this baby just to **** ppl off XD but you can't deploy them in high sec... awwwww really ?? well im gonna have to settle with null then to bad they dont whine...
but there's nobody there to be annoyed by your deployables? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1080
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:28:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
You know that this is a LIE. You know very well thatyou can make far far more isk per hour in 0.0. THe only place in high sec where you do near that level of isk per our is incursions. but those you cannot just get home and spend 30 mintues doing it. You need to get on wait list and wait for 2 hours before you start doing money.
If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?
SImplyu, this is a #!@#!@ excuse. 0.0 income is still 2-3 orders of magnitude larger than high sec (except commerce of course)
So is every L4 mission runner posting their isk/h after LP sales a liar or what? You'd have been arguably correct before the anom nerfs that took vindicator ratting away as a staple. Oh and exploration for complexes is up there too, but it's so heavily contested that it drops below "Worth doing" once you get more than a dozen or so people actively hunting in an entire region. Honestly the best reason to live in null is the ego and the narrative.
Most mission runners nubmers are wrong. THey take what they manage to do in 20 min in their best mission and extrapolate as if they would get only those full time. MOSt that claim 100M isk/h cannot even reach 75M isk/h sustained income.
And 0.0 income has been SUEPR increased from back the time i lived there. Back in 2006 35M/isk/h was a good income. Nowadays its over 80m/isk/h "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
162
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:33:00 -
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Might be the beer talking, but I just had something of a tinfoil moment here... Perhaps the devs knew beforehand exactly how much this would annoy null dwellers. Perhaps their actual goal is to drive said people into hisec for their money making activities. Perhaps this is part of their grand scheme to use the ensuing chaos to help further their erosion of empire control of hisec as violent hijinks occur between players... creating more 'emergent gameplay'. I think I need more beer, and time to mull this over. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1080
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
You know that this is a LIE. You know very well thatyou can make far far more isk per hour in 0.0. THe only place in high sec where you do near that level of isk per our is incursions. but those you cannot just get home and spend 30 mintues doing it. You need to get on wait list and wait for 2 hours before you start doing money.
If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?
SImplyu, this is a #!@#!@ excuse. 0.0 income is still 2-3 orders of magnitude larger than high sec (except commerce of course)
Average earning on anoms is 90 mil an hour. You earn 120 to 180 doing SOE missions in high sec or 150 to 200 mil with incursions and unlike anoms, you dont have to stop whenever a neutral enters local.
No you do not! You can have peaks of 120M isk /h runnign SOE missions. The constant averaged number is much lower. Specially nwo that the price of the SOE ships dropped to HALF of what they were 1 month ago. Blitzing with a very good ship I can sustain 98m isk/ h. But I cannot do that anymore because shiny ships explode and i Need to be more careful So my income dropped to an average of 70-80m hour.
Also same in incursions. When you are running, yes you can do 200m/isk per hour. Now.. good luck getting home and finding a spot in a fleet immediately. I ran missions for more than 1 year with a VERY VERY high skilled character in an elite shiny group and usually you get there at the chat and you try to get a fleet and the next one is schedule for 2 hours. Or you get and there is no space, and you need to get in wait list.
Usually you run-2-3 hours of 200M/ isk per hour.. with intervals of 2 hours WIATING.. and facign zero isk/h. If you have a lot of free time incursions are great. If you are a useful human and have a job they are HORRIBLE income sources.
And about stopping with neutrals? LOL. I lived in zero zero.. there is less risk in 0.0 than in apanake nowadays. I n apanake (the SOE system) you need to scan full time, because more expensive ships get blown up there every day by gankers than in any 0.0 region looses in ratters (excluding the stupid carrier ratters).
Now.. why you 0.0 dwellers are not running 0.0 missions for the Pirate factions? You get MORe LP per hour than ANY High sec. and your LP store pays MUCH MUCH more per LP than any SOE item.
You have the option there to play the same game, but with much larger income. If you decide to be lazy.. it is your problem. W "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
164
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:45:00 -
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ESS: great Idea! Let the Nullbears risk something for their money. We in low do it all the time. |
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Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:47:00 -
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I've been away for a couple of weeks and i have no idea what is this ESS thing. A new deployable for what? I don't care anyway but i liked the tears. Thank you all. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18915
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Posted - 2014.01.16 13:52:00 -
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Good Posting wrote:I've been away for a couple of weeks and i have no idea what is this ESS thing. A new deployable for what? I don't care anyway but i liked the tears. Thank you all. A deployable that makes you gamble 20% of your bounties for 0GÇô5% gain, assuming no-one else steals them first. And to invent a reason for it to exist, they've decided to make a flat reduction of all bounties by 5% so there can be a GÇ£problemGÇ¥ for this abortion to GÇ£solveGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:00:00 -
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I'd really like to see what the per capita income of high and null is. Does the srp of the big alliances count as grunt income? Since their pvp is being subsidized and all. The numbers I've seen mentioned regarding anom and mission income seem a little... off. And the 60mil an hour sounds like the bottom end of the scale, what is it with a carrier? 100mil+ an hour on missions would have to be pro carebears running blinged out boats and getting the best missions. My 200mil bs multiboxing with a noctis certainly didn't make that. Though I'm sure I could get to 100mil+ in a spendy tengu with the noctis. What do anoms get you multiboxing carriers?
250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. Fleets I've been in maxed out at 6-7 min a site in vanguards, though I've heard tales of 4min a site. I would suggest that being lucky and having a skilled enough toon with a blinged enough ship to get into a fleet like that would be akin to getting a good drop in a null ded site. I'll admit my limited experience in null and high pve , though I have done a bit of both. But given null sec is the source of most of the most valuable items and resources in the game, I'm a little dubious on the claim of crappy null income in relation to high sec.
As for interceptors, I can only suggest using disco battleships and your intel network to kill them.
Vagrant, thanks for taking the time to explain your position. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1177
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Decian Cor wrote:I can't believe this *E-peen* measuring contest thread is already 11 pages long. This is a wakeup call to CCP that Null has been nerfed into the ground and cannot take any more nerfs to income. There is zero reason to make isk out here now, highsec is simply better. when you evacuate into high-sec? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Dave Stark
4196
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:09:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though. |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
117
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:11:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:tiberiusric wrote:Tippia wrote:tiberiusric wrote:mate, look the bounties in nullsec are far far higher in nullsec than lowsec or highsec. I think you may be confusing the difference in bounties between different ships with some assumed difference between sec levels. The latter does not exist; the former does. Not sure what your actual point is. The fact is a BS rat bounty in nullsec for example is far higher than in high or nullsec. The sec status is not relevant per say as its relative to how eve works whether in high/low/null. Bounty gets higher the lower the sec level becomes. so in a 1.0 system it will be lower than a 0.5 system relatively speaking but thats still in the high sec band. You would be hard pressed to find a 1.85Mill BS rat in highsec But i do agree actual anom rats bounties in nullsec is wrong, they should be the same as the belt rat bounties, otherwise why bother. Unless your thinking about getting the juicy BPC or goodies at the end of the DED anomoly which then may balance it out a bit. However normal anoms dont give juicy goodies at the end of it and the bounties are still crap so they should raise them to be the same as the belt rats imo if they want to introduce the ESS You make 0 isk in warp. A sanctum spawns 40m of isk in the one spot. A good belt spawn is a triple 1.8. In any case, as has been pointed out ad infinitum in many threads, most of null is flyover country, and has belts that spawn veldspar to hedbergdite and cruisers with the odd double 500k battleship. I have such a system. Also note that in 634 anomalies completed, its spawned a grand total of 5 faction commanders, and it 100% reliably escalates into hostile space. Everyone that suggests that we all huddle in the 3 systems in PBLRD Vale that have decent truesec is entirely missing the point (ie that this debate is literally comparing the best 5% of null systems to highsec, not the worst 80%).
so basically you cant be bothered and want everything easy and free? just like the highsec carebears you complain exactly the same about. look you live in nullsec, so why live there if you refuse to use the other 80% then? there you go again thinking about yourself and not everything overall.
You know nullsec alliance are annoying as hell. You want free isk and do nothing for it. You want moon gold. You refuse to rat, you refuse to mine, you refuse to do anything that requires some effort. I bet your ratting those sanctums in carriers as well for minumun effort?
Think if you actually exploited all the resources around you? Large mining fleets, Large ratting fleets, could gain alliances a lot of ISK. But what you do is rent it out, so basically do nothing again for free ISK and allow some other carebears to mine.
You are worse much worse than the highsec carebears.
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Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:12:00 -
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I fail to see how the ESS adds "fun". Sure, one could argue that *maybe* it might add opportunity for conflict.
The mechanics seem very bizarre to me. All that just for a 5% loss/gain? No one will use the dumb thing. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
456
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:12:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Jim Era wrote:o.O I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of. If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark s hit. If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem?? |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
57
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:14:00 -
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Well it sounds like the EA rejects are spooling their filth into EvE and are once again turning a good game into s***. I seriously think they will never stop until either the industry grinds into a crashing halt, or EA's garbage is the only thing available. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18918
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:14:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem?? Then it's just a 5% income nerf for nullsec rank and file that completely lacks and reason or purpose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
456
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:14:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:Tauranon wrote:tiberiusric wrote:Tippia wrote:tiberiusric wrote:mate, look the bounties in nullsec are far far higher in nullsec than lowsec or highsec. I think you may be confusing the difference in bounties between different ships with some assumed difference between sec levels. The latter does not exist; the former does. Not sure what your actual point is. The fact is a BS rat bounty in nullsec for example is far higher than in high or nullsec. The sec status is not relevant per say as its relative to how eve works whether in high/low/null. Bounty gets higher the lower the sec level becomes. so in a 1.0 system it will be lower than a 0.5 system relatively speaking but thats still in the high sec band. You would be hard pressed to find a 1.85Mill BS rat in highsec But i do agree actual anom rats bounties in nullsec is wrong, they should be the same as the belt rat bounties, otherwise why bother. Unless your thinking about getting the juicy BPC or goodies at the end of the DED anomoly which then may balance it out a bit. However normal anoms dont give juicy goodies at the end of it and the bounties are still crap so they should raise them to be the same as the belt rats imo if they want to introduce the ESS You make 0 isk in warp. A sanctum spawns 40m of isk in the one spot. A good belt spawn is a triple 1.8. In any case, as has been pointed out ad infinitum in many threads, most of null is flyover country, and has belts that spawn veldspar to hedbergdite and cruisers with the odd double 500k battleship. I have such a system. Also note that in 634 anomalies completed, its spawned a grand total of 5 faction commanders, and it 100% reliably escalates into hostile space. +100 Everyone that suggests that we all huddle in the 3 systems in PBLRD Vale that have decent truesec is entirely missing the point (ie that this debate is literally comparing the best 5% of null systems to highsec, not the worst 80%). so basically you cant be bothered and want everything easy and free? just like the highsec carebears you complain exactly the same about. look you live in nullsec, so why live there if you refuse to use the other 80% then? there you go again thinking about yourself and not everything overall. You know nullsec alliance are annoying as hell. You want free isk and do nothing for it. You want moon gold. You refuse to rat, you refuse to mine, you refuse to do anything that requires some effort. I bet your ratting those sanctums in carriers as well for minumun effort? Think if you actually exploited all the resources around you? Large mining fleets, Large ratting fleets, could gain alliances a lot of ISK. But what you do is rent it out, so basically do nothing again for free ISK and allow some other carebears to mine. You are worse much worse than the highsec carebears. My name is Hawkeye and I Approve this message |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1564
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:15:00 -
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Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...
Oh the tears... ... |
Dave Stark
4196
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:17:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...
Oh the tears...
people effected by a change comment on said change.
news at 11. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
16490
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:17:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec complains...
Oh the tears... I think you'll find that is incorrect.
Oh and FYP.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
413
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:21:00 -
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will it be only sov 0.0 or also npc? The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
456
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:If neither the defenders nor the offenders will use it then whats the problem?? Then it's just a 5% income nerf for nullsec rank and file that completely lacks and reason or purpose. Seems to me it has its purpose. CCP hired an economist specifically for this reason.....but let me guess I am sure you know more or better than that person......well of course you do, what was I thinking? |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1564
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...
Oh the tears... people affected by a change comment on said change. news at 11.
I'm just really happy for this for 2 reasons...
Perfect Interceptor Skills... Still have ALL CFC and extremely deep safe and personal bookmarks, from my 10months in CFC...
Can Rubicon 1.1 come faster please!!! ... |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
284
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:22:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:I fail to see how the ESS adds "fun". Sure, one could argue that *maybe* it might add opportunity for conflict.
The mechanics seem very bizarre to me. All that just for a 5% loss/gain? No one will use the dumb thing.
If you dont deploy it in your carebearing system I will. I'll drain your bounties and your tears all with one anchorable structure. I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Dave Stark
4196
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:22:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries...
Oh the tears... people affected by a change comment on said change. news at 11. I'm just really happy for this for 2 reasons... Perfect Interceptor Skills... Still have ALL CFC and extremely deep safe and personal bookmarks, from my 10months in CFC... Can Rubicon 1.1 come faster please!!!
considering everyone has pointed out they won't be using these... that won't help you much. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18918
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Posted - 2014.01.16 14:26:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote: so basically you cant be bothered and want everything easy and free? just like the highsec carebears you complain exactly the same about. look you live in nullsec, so why live there if you refuse to use the other 80% then?
Hint: no-one lives in those 80% and it's not that people GÇ£refuseGÇ¥ to use them GÇö it's that they're rational enough to figure out that it's a meaningless and wasteful exercise.
Quote:You know nullsec alliance are annoying as hell. You want free isk and do nothing for it. You want moon gold. You refuse to rat, you refuse to mine, you refuse to do anything that requires some effort. The reason they're annoying is because you're clueless. They don't want anything for free (or they'd be in highsec); they don't refuse to rat; they don't refuse to mine; they don't shy away from effortGǪ
GǪif it's actually worth-while. Again, it's not refusal GÇö it's a rational realisation that the ratting and mining is a waste of time and effort because you'd be able to get far more for far less by doing it elsewhere. Stopping for pennies when rushing to earn a $100 is not a particularly good idea.
Quote:Think if you actually exploited all the resources around you? Then they'd be far worse off since the resources are not worth going after.
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Seems to me it has its purpose. What purpose would that be?
Quote:CCP hired an economist specifically for this reason GÇ£ThisGÇ¥ referring to what reason, exactly? He's been saying for quite some time now that the influx of ISK isn't a problem, and the dev who proposed this nonsensical piece of tat was very clear about it not being meant to adjust the balance of faucets and sinks, so it can't be that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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