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TharOkha 0asis Group 771	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:26:00 - [391] - Quote Mag's wrote: Galadriel Vasquez wrote: Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is? Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching? Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo? I further deduce that any old tom **** or harry can access it and have away with the content? Confused. (It doesn't take much)... Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current. Don't use one, you get 95%. If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed. It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone. Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into the ESS. WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case. .
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 695	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:28:00 - [392] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Optics. Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do. I think it's actually a very common attitude displayed by the most frequent null sec posters. For whatever reasons they tend to be very hostile, demeaning, and with overzealous convictions on how things should be done. I've already seen plenty of threads recently from null sec players threatening CCP with 'punishing' hi sec players with suicide gankings and general harassment over the introduction of the ESS, as if this was some how hi sec players' idea. The misguided rage and contempt is simply incomprehensible. Yeah, we hate the nullsec players because they're like, mean and stuff. Not that you guys aren't literally doing the same thing right now towards a different group, among one another. On reddit they call it a circlejerk. This is not an excuse. I know there are those from the other side also spewing **** like this. But it isn't an excuse for you to do it. I think the dumbest module CCP has come up with in years is this ESS. And frankly, I don't even wish it on null sec players. But to threaten CCP to bully players because you don't like something is quite simply deplorable. And I really can't say that everyone in null sec is like this, because I'm willing to bet the majority aren't. But I stand by my assertion that, usually the most outspoken and vocal null sec posters do tend to be quite antagonistic and contemptuous toward players whose play styles they disagree with.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 569	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:28:00 - [393] - Quote TharOkha wrote: WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case. Seconded from High Sec. I think all Deplorable Structures are.. well... deplorable. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Galadriel Vasquez Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance 202	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:31:00 - [394] - Quote LOL I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2119	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:34:00 - [395] - Quote Quote: I think the dumbest module CCP has come up with in years is this ESS. And frankly, I don't even wish it on null sec players. But to threaten CCP to bully players because you don't like something is quite simply deplorable. Well, first of all, let me take exception to your use of the term "bully". If their undocked, they consent to PvP, and so forth. And secondly, why is it a problem? If you agree that it sucks, clearly going on a rampage is going to get their attention. Especially since CCP has a track record of ignoring feedback short of a rampage. Quote: This is not an excuse. I know there are those from the other side also spewing ** like this. But it isn't an excuse for you to do it. Why not? That's pretty much what humans do, get in a circle and hate on people who aren't part of the group. Like I said, you've been doing it plenty, and you've also been wagging at your finger at nullsec because they do it. It's a big giant circlejerk, you lot would just like to think you're above it. Quote:** And I really can't say that everyone in null sec is like this, because I'm willing to bet the majority aren't. But I stand by my assertion that, usually the most outspoken and vocal null sec posters do tend to be quite antagonistic and contemptuous toward players whose play styles they disagree with. Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Mag's the united SCUM. 16529	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:36:00 - [396] - Quote TharOkha wrote: Mag's wrote: Galadriel Vasquez wrote: Can someone with a grasp of plain english and the Queen's grammar please explain succinctly what the deus this ESS is? Seems to me it's a big nasty box that siphons ISK earnt by the ratters and makes it available for filching? Kind of like a Mobile Siphon Unit but eats ISK instead of moon goo? I further deduce that any old tom ** or harry can access it and have away with the content? Confused. (It doesn't take much)... Ratting bounties nerfed to 95% of current. Don't use one, you get 95%. If you use an ESS, then that goes down to 80%. It will rise slowly at 1%, over a time period dependant upon how much ratting is done. It's maximum target is 105% of current. But the timer resets every time it is accessed. It acts as a bubble 15Km and is open to everyone. Oh and whatever over 80%, is placed into into a bank account attached to that system and accessible by everyone. Edit: ISK placement corrected, thanks to Pinky Hops WOW. This is really stupid. I'm telling this as i hisec dweller. You have my support against this case. Indeed. I'm a low sec dweller and I think it sucks. I did get the ISK placement wrong, it seems it goes into some magical system bank. I have corrected my post. Destination SkillQueue:-** It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Ivan Krividus Straightedge and Compass Industrial The Crimson Tower 85	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:46:00 - [397] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Title edited for clarity - CCP Falcon You know there's a pretty huge issue when Goonswarm Federation Mordus Angels Fatal Ascension Razor Alliance Li3 Federation Tactical Narcotics Team Space Monkey's Alliance Pandemic Legion Black Legion Nulli Secunda Against All Authorities Darkness of Despair D00M. Northern Coalition. The Initiative. Brothers of Tangra Fidelas Constans Gentleman's Agreement Solar Fleet Circle of Two The Kadeshi Legion of xXDEATHXx Curatores Veritatis Alliance Spaceship Samurai Executive Outcomes all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid. Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave. It's a trainwreck of bad ideas and nobody wants it for what it is, which is a giant kick in the gonads to anybody who already has to endure the misery of ratting in nullsec. It doesn't work. There are so many wrong things with the mechanics it's like somebody looked at the list of "Things That Were Taken Out Of Eve Or Never Added In The First Place Because They Suck(ed)" and used that as a template to design the ESS. CCP SoniClover got his pompous ass handed to him by Weaselior who came in with officially published statements by other CCP employees showing that the stated reason for the ESS to exist was entirely false.Seriously. Page 21. It's all right there. And all that we, the players of this game, have to show for our originally respectful criticism, is CCP SoniClover creating a PR disaster by pissing us off and assuming we're stupid. Somebody else from CCP needs to step up and start dealing with this. And good luck if you go the "well let's just censor everything like we usually do" route. Hmm goons, BoT, Northen Coalition, all the big nullsec power blocs hate it. It must be good then. And if its not, put it in anyway.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 695	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:47:00 - [398] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them. Acting like a jerk and then attributing it as acceptable because it's "human behavior" is a really poor excuse. In any case, it's really pointless having this discussion with you. I don't think you can process it and it will be a waste of both, your time and my time. But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind.
Krexzar Angels and Devils Shadow of xXDEATHXx 4	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:48:00 - [399] - Quote Since CCP Falcon locked my thread without bothering to read it because it had ESS in the subject line. I will post this here even though Im not directing this idea towards the ESS. These ideas came from the fact CCP is trying to cut down the Faucets in the game. So this may get removed from this thread because it doesnt directly apply to the ESS. Good luck words, hope you make it. With the ESS controversy at hand, I got to thinking.....where does the majority of npc bounties come from, null sec or high sec? If anyone can answer this I would be grateful. On to my train of thought. If there is too much isk coming into the game from bounties then nerfing null sec alone should not be the answer. I feel they should nerf all npc bountys by the same amount so everyone makes less isk. If the majority of npc bounty does come from high sec, then they should nerf the incursions payouts and the mission npcs bounty by 5-10% but boost the lp output by 10-20%, however would make it close to the bounty nerf. Also would be nice if they did something like increase asteroid mining output or reduce build minerals for ships, i liked it better when a typhoon was below 100mill isk : ) but that might be asking a bit too much? Also another idea i had is..as much as it would be cool, this game is very far away (time and development wise) from having a completely player driven market, there is items out their that serve absolutely no purpose like tiers effects. What I propose is an isk faucet with PLEX. Concord stations or whoever could sell and buy them. So Player A needs a plex, he pays 600 mill for said plex but Player B buys plex with RL money and sells to Concord or whoever for 550 mill. Just code them to where they never show up in game, they show up in your redeem items at log in and you either active it there or take your 550 mill. So if you buy one in game and dont use it, you just crapped yourself out of 50 mill..........And this probably isnt the best way to implement this idea, i just thought of it while i was type the first 3 paragraphs : ) But no matter what CCP if you need more isk faucets, nerfing income to one area of the game where players have the most risk, is not the answer. Either nerf everyone or do something like above to create your isk sinks.
Mag's the united SCUM. 16535	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:49:00 - [400] - Quote Stuff about acting like a jerk, then proceeds to act like...... Funny that. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 572	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:51:00 - [401] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind. I wish stuff that existed in my mind was real... I'd have a rocket car! I'd be better looking! I'd be rich! My rocket car would have missile launchers! (Um because CALDARI) And lastly - I would only eat BREAKFAST FOOD!!! "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Mag's the united SCUM. 16535	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:56:00 - [402] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind. I wish stuff that existed in my mind was real... I'd have a rocket car! I'd be better looking! I'd be rich! My rocket car would have missile launchers! (Um because CALDARI) And lastly - I would only eat BREAKFAST FOOD!!! "*And in the mornin', I'm making waffles..." Destination SkillQueue:-* It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8530	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:10:00 - [403] - Quote What I really want to know is how OP managed to say "*******" without the censor. My EVE Videos
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1427	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:10:00 - [404] - Quote So this ESS has only stirred conflict between the player base and CCP. I don't think that's the kind of conflict driver that we were looking fore. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Mister Simms Society for Miner Education 11	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:15:00 - [405] - Quote ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much....
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1427	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:18:00 - [406] - Quote Mister Simms wrote: ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much.... Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8531	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:25:00 - [407] - Quote Mister Simms wrote: ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much.... The proper response to you and everyone who agrees with you is something that would probably get me banned from these forums forever. So I'll just leave you to imagine what that response might be. My EVE Videos
psycho freak EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 273	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:39:00 - [408] - Quote +1 for ess i can tast the nullbare tears already cant wait to wind up some nullbeare when my inty alt loots some ratting isk from under they noise lol my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k nop cant find it
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 576	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:40:00 - [409] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Mister Simms wrote: ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much.... Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion. I'm a highsec dweller. And agree that stupid ** is stupid. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.**
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8536	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:41:00 - [410] - Quote psycho freak wrote: +1 for ess i can tast the nullbare tears already cant wait to wind up some nullbeare when my inty alt loots some ratting isk from under they noise lol Then you'll be wasting your time, because nobody with half a brain will be putting these up. Ratters will dock when you enter system to put one up, and as soon as you leave they'll just destroy it. You'll never get the chance to steal anything. My EVE Videos
psycho freak EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 273	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:49:00 - [411] - Quote Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k nop cant find it
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4358	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:53:00 - [412] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them. Acting like a jerk and then attributing it as acceptable because it's "human behavior" is a really poor excuse. In any case, it's really pointless having this discussion with you. I don't think you can process it and it will be a waste of both, your time and my time. But I will say this, which you will also probably be unable to process; hi sec players had nothing to do with this ESS module. So this "evidence" you have only exists in your mind. You can't possibly be scared of the wrath of null sec because of a post on the forums. Are you kidding me? you can't see that that was a joke? Serioulsy (video game BS aside) you need to step away from your computer for a while/
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4358	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:55:00 - [413] - Quote OMG I thought this real for a second. To bad as it kind of sums up what I was thinking about CCP lol. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=warning&l=http%3a%2f%2feveion.blogspot.co.uk%2f2014%2f01%2ficelandic-police-raid-ccps-headquarters.html&domain=blogspot.co.uk
John Bosch State War Academy Caldari State 45	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:11:00 - [414] - Quote This module needs to be killed. With fire.
Prie Mary Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 37	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:17:00 - [415] - Quote Fix Lag wrote: Title edited for clarity - CCP Falcon You know there's a pretty huge issue when Goonswarm Federation Mordus Angels Fatal Ascension Razor Alliance Li3 Federation Tactical Narcotics Team Space Monkey's Alliance Pandemic Legion Black Legion Nulli Secunda Against All Authorities Darkness of Despair D00M. Northern Coalition. The Initiative. Brothers of Tangra Fidelas Constans Gentleman's Agreement Solar Fleet Circle of Two The Kadeshi Legion of xXDEATHXx Curatores Veritatis Alliance Spaceship Samurai Executive Outcomes all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid. Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave. It's a trainwreck of bad ideas and nobody wants it for what it is, which is a giant kick in the gonads to anybody who already has to endure the misery of ratting in nullsec. It doesn't work. There are so many wrong things with the mechanics it's like somebody looked at the list of "Things That Were Taken Out Of Eve Or Never Added In The First Place Because They Suck(ed)" and used that as a template to design the ESS. CCP SoniClover got his pompous ass handed to him by Weaselior who came in with officially published statements by other CCP employees showing that the stated reason for the ESS to exist was entirely false.Seriously. Page 21. It's all right there. And all that we, the players of this game, have to show for our originally respectful criticism, is CCP SoniClover creating a PR disaster by pissing us off and assuming we're stupid. Somebody else from CCP needs to step up and start dealing with this. And good luck if you go the "well let's just censor everything like we usually do" route. RABBLE BABBLE BLAH!! As usuial the people who's ingame income is effected are OUTRAGED and performing mass forum rage and ship toasting. Lets look back in eve history... CCP nerfed incursions - Incursion runners raged. CCP nerfed missions - Missioners raged CCP nerfed wormholes - Sleeper farmers raged CCP propose to nerf 0.0 bears income by..... 5% or alternatively buff it 5% depending on view - 0.0 bears rage Looking at this history of changes/nerf, the rage on forums. guess what.... ESS is coming, man up, stop the QQ play the game... or rage quit for a few months but then come back, they are your options At least this "change" will bring something to the eve experience, the option to stab your alliance mates in the back and steal their bountys, or even, grab a cloaky and go looking for someone elses hard earned bounty's. Either way, its along the lines of eve's harsh immersive universe Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 18943	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:23:00 - [416] - Quote Prie Mary wrote: Lets look back in eve history... CCP nerfed incursions - Incursion runners raged. CCP nerfed missions - Missioners raged CCP nerfed wormholes - Sleeper farmers raged GÇªbecause CCP could provide reasons why incursions were payout out too much; why missions were encroaching on other activities in the kinds of goods they created; andGÇª ok, I'm stumped on the last one. How and when did that happen? Quote: CCP propose to nerf 0.0 bears income by..... 5% or alternatively buff it 5% depending on view - 0.0 bears rage GÇªbecause CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist GÇö a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Xython Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 1107	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:28:00 - [417] - Quote Wow. The devs really don't play EVE, do they?
Norm Tempesta The Konvergent League Sev3rance 57	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:29:00 - [418] - Quote I can see this deplorable being outlawed in the area I rat in. There is are just too many ways it can and will be abused. Plus the arguments it would cause every time someone went to access it, whether it was a good time to do so or not. I have no idea what is up with all the deployables that are coming out, but this is by far the biggest piece of space rubbish I have seen in this game. CCP could have just left this offal out of the equation.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4128	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:33:00 - [419] - Quote ESS should be constellation-wide, not per system. Yeah I'm trolling.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2120	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:37:00 - [420] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: ESS should be constellation-wide, not per system. Yeah I'm trolling. Heck, why not make it an actual warp-able thing? Put a deadspace beacon in there with the thing in it, just have it scoop 5% constantly. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á

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