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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1412
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:01:00 -
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Mag's wrote:So you admit you were wrong? OK thanks, moving on. P.S. Several is more than 2 or 3. Its irrelevent. Many POS guns can shoot out to 300-500km. If you really care that much about 5% you can stick an alt in your POS and blap them.
Also, given the ESS has a bubble effect you can create some nice log on traps. Stop whining and start thinking. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9833
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:01:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?
Why would you use an alt to babysit this thing when it could be earning you a lot more isk ratting than the EES will ever generate? Cause its fun Killing people? Also no need to babysit, it tells you when they're looting it
You have a minute to respond and with the populations at under 10 pilots per system (due to site restrictions) and a 10-15 man gang arrives you can do nothing to stop them. The only counter is to have a alt sitting on the structure but why do that when you can earn a hell of a lot more by using the alt to rat?
So, nobody uses the stuctures due to their being no gain from doing so and we have yet another nerf to null income. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1412
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?
Why would you use an alt to babysit this thing when it could be earning you a lot more isk ratting than the EES will ever generate? Cause its fun Killing people? Also no need to babysit, it tells you when they're looting it You have a minute to respond and with the populations at under 10 pilots per system (due to site restrictions) and a 10-15 man gang arrives you can do nothing to stop them. The only counter is to have a alt sitting on the structure but why do that when you can earn a hell of a lot more by using the alt to rat? So, nobody uses the stuctures due to their being no gain from doing so and we have yet another nerf to null income. Nah you have a bonus to fun. Unfortunate you can't see that. The goons of old were more interested in fun than isk / per / hour and whining about it.... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4119
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:04:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm a little torn about people who gleefully visit involuntary and unwanted results on other players are suddenly hurt over something they don't like being foisted on them.
I don't recall this much screaming over the NPC corp taxes, which are higher.
I don' know much about the ESS but I'm sure you can destroy them with Rapid Light Missile Launchers... oh wait You could always talk to your beloved extended family at length about your gun collection. The resistance is because its a bad idea without any sort of cogent reasoning behind it.
Your attacks are yet more evidence that the goon ISK faucet cheerios are being pee'd in big time with this.
So, why don't you be honest and admit that the huge CFC numbers come from little more than promising the safe carebearing that highsec offers? I think perhaps CCP is starting to realize that indeed nullsec has carebears too, and need to be rattled a bit. They have the metrics, so the players are not going to get away with lying to each other with strawmen and, when that fails, personal attacks.
Now, even I would admit that the ESS seems strange and arbitrary. We might as well have capture the flag in space. I don't like it either - but when I see goons getting cases of the screaming mimis up their cracks about this, I want to see this module come to fruition.
Were it up to me, an ESS would be like a hacking target, requiring the same module we use to hack data and covert sites. For a long time players have asked for the capability to hack at the deployables of other players. If the ESS had to be hacked, and hence no arbitrary timing, it would be more "realistic" - as relatively to a fictional game reference as we can get anyway. To have to scan and hack them would be great. So yeah, it seems a little arbitrary and dumb in implementation, but seeing how this has rattled the nullbears I definitely want to see something like this in the game.
The days of safety down the null end of the gank pipelines and intel channels may be at an end. Good. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1129
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:05:00 -
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Welll... I didn't want to rat in nullsec anyway. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4119
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:06:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Hmmm so they can't assign an alt to drop the thing in a big old insured Rokh with 8 big fat smarties. And have the alt periodically take the payout?
Why would you use an alt to babysit this thing when it could be earning you a lot more isk ratting than the EES will ever generate? Cause its fun Killing people? Also no need to babysit, it tells you when they're looting it You have a minute to respond and with the populations at under 10 pilots per system (due to site restrictions) and a 10-15 man gang arrives you can do nothing to stop them. The only counter is to have a alt sitting on the structure but why do that when you can earn a hell of a lot more by using the alt to rat? So, nobody uses the stuctures due to their being no gain from doing so and we have yet another nerf to null income. Nah you have a bonus to fun. Unfortunate you can't see that. The goons of old were more interested in fun than isk / per / hour and whining about it....
Indeed I am reading this thread and wondering what happened to the goons we all hated in the past. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18929
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:08:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:let me get this straight you I'm a total absolute trolling idiot. You seem to have missed a bit there, but I put it back for you. But it's nice of you to agree with me (which you obviously are since you couldn't think of anything even remotely resembling a counter-argument and had to go for personal abuse instead in a desperate but failed attempt at looking like you could contribute with something).
Quote:I have lived in nullsec for years, i know damn well what i am talking about. Apparently not since what you wrote was absolute drivel with no basis in reality. The reason people don't rat in crap systems is because the systems are crap GÇö you earn more going to highsec. The reason people don't gather the resources is because the resources are crap GÇö you get more for your time by going to highsec and just buying them off the market.
You are trying to reduce this rational calculation to GÇ£refusalGÇ¥ which is ignorant at best, outright lies and fabrications as worst. I suppose you also call it GÇ£refusalGÇ¥ when instead of bashing yourself in the face with a steel pipe every morning, you brush your teeth. After all, the end result of having no dental issues is the same, so anyone who refuses the former is just being obstinate and not willing to put in the effortGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
178
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Mag's wrote:So you admit you were wrong? OK thanks, moving on. P.S. Several is more than 2 or 3. Its irrelevent. Many POS guns can shoot out to 300-500km. If you really care that much about 5% you can stick an alt in your POS and blap them. Also, given the ESS has a bubble effect you can create some nice log on traps. Stop whining and start thinking. Irrelevant.* Sad to see you haven't improved one bit. Create a new, pretty, female character! Make the name count! Join the epic boo bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You're at it from day 0! |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
229
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:22:00 -
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Von Brawn wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet I dont know any 0.0 region that isnt full of uncatchable interceptor gangs. They stuffed a giant turd into the faucet already.
Nerf ceptors back to reasonable levels again by removing the nullification superpower. Then some of the bloody things will get blown up again. There's your isk-sink CCP, no need to nerf ratting income anymore.
Can I be a dev now, or doesn't my idea stink enough? Don't Panic.
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
16512
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Mag's wrote:So you admit you were wrong? OK thanks, moving on. P.S. Several is more than 2 or 3. Its irrelevent. Many POS guns can shoot out to 300-500km. If you really care that much about 5% you can stick an alt in your POS and blap them. Also, given the ESS has a bubble effect you can create some nice log on traps. Stop whining and start thinking. So you being wrong is irrelevant and you still think the whole POS argument is valid?
You obviously have no idea how these things work, or else you wouldn't be suggesting having them near a POS and having an alt periodically removing stuff.
But please, never stop posting.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4119
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:29:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Von Brawn wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:La Nariz wrote:How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec. because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet I dont know any 0.0 region that isnt full of uncatchable interceptor gangs. They stuffed a giant turd into the faucet already. Nerf ceptors back to reasonable levels again by removing the nullification superpower. Then some of the bloody things will get blown up again. There's your isk-sink CCP, no need to nerf ratting income anymore. Can I be a dev now, or doesn't my idea stink enough?
Ceptor bubble immunity might have been an experiment to see how much PVP is getting killed off by bubbles.
I know, people will scream that bubble camps are PVP. 50 to 1 ship raep and killing everything that moves is PVP to bubble campers but squadrons of interceptors actually hunting is not.
Bubbles should be removed from the game. If you can't get a lock in 1 second, go back to mining in highsec. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1425
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:31:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: ~words~
Its because its bad, they can do what they intend by allowing sov null to have their own LP stores. As a highsec person I don't expect you to be able to understand the nuances of these things. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9835
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:32:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Nah you have a bonus to fun. Unfortunate you can't see that. The goons of old were more interested in fun than isk / per / hour and whining about it....
Back then null sec had something to offer. All these structures will do is send more to highsec are reduce targets in null and thus, reduce the fun. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So if this is simply a way to nerf null income again I have to ask why they feel null needs another nerf given that it already lags behind high sec income.
What incentive exactly is there to make your isk in null these days? They must not have the numbers to support your assumption. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9835
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:41:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:They must not have the numbers to support your assumption.
Or they are making assumptions without looking at the numbers. Everyone has access to these numbers and its very easy to see where the best isk is. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4347
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Nah you have a bonus to fun. Unfortunate you can't see that. The goons of old were more interested in fun than isk / per / hour and whining about it....
Back then null sec had something to offer. All these structures will do is send more to highsec are reduce targets in null and thus, reduce the fun.
And they just don't get that.
CCP is repeating the Systems upgrade nerf mistake again. For those of you not familiar, here goes:
When systems upgrades were 1st introduced, you could upgrade ANY system to be like any other. So truesec didn't matter, even the crappiest system could have 2 sanctums, 2 havens, 3 forsake hubs etc. CCP believed that this was not optimal and thought that if some space was better than other space, people would fight over it. They weren't aware of the plain fact that NO ONE fights over ratting space (because unlike moons, grunt memebers can "isk up" anywhere incuding high sec, why fight over ratting grounds when you can just run high sec missions, incursions or null npc space missions?).
End result of the systems upgrades nerf that was supposed to "drive conflict"? Large swaths of null turned BACK into the deserts they werebefore the system's upgrades scheme was introduced. Not only did it have the opposite effect of what was intended, it cost CCP real money (in the form of man-hours lost) when they had to go back and semi-fix it with the EHP/Hr buff to anomalies...the buff that BTW created the 400 mil an hour Titan tracking linked by a scimitar fiasco that only got solved by nerfing titans....
CCP seems to be doing this again. hopefully smarter heads will prevail. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2623
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:10:00 -
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OMG 5%! OMG 5%! OMG 5%! |
E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
256
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:12:00 -
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The tears in this thread are delicious. I think the ESS should cut the bounties by 20% per default and at most raise them to 100.2% The more care bears leave 0.0 or the game the less need is to invest into resources for addressing TIDI. win win. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9836
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:15:00 -
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E6o5 wrote:The tears in this thread are delicious. I think the ESS should cut the bounties by 20% per default and at most raise them to 100.2% The more care bears leave 0.0 or the game the less need is to invest into resources for addressing TIDI. win win.
We just move to high sec and cause TiDi there. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
557
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:18:00 -
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Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.
I had a bizarre, possibly tin-foil hat thought this morning during my morning commute. In other, fantasy MMOs, you have 4 basic archetypes of character.
Warriors - Heavily armed, heavily armored combat oriented. Healers - Improving the HP of other characters usually the Warriors. Also buffing. (Logi/Command Ship) Rogues - Adding stealth, sabotage, and subterfuge often doing ridiculous damage. Mages - Generally geared towards doing nothing but ridiculous damage or debuffing (Maybe EWAR)
Is it possible, albeit unlikely, that the purpose of things like this is to create those last two archetypes?
With all the siphoning and stealing maybe CCP is looking to add a more roguish element or playstyle to the game. Not though player interactions like scamming but through the actual mechanics?
Anyway, as I said, something I was just pondering on my way to work. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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Layla Firoue
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:31:00 -
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You know people whine alot these days how to catch ceptors, here is one idee park a cloacked disco BS alt ontop of the ESS structure unless CCP makes them stupidly big that should not be a problem ceptor enters system, switch to alt, ceptor warps to ESS decloak activate smartbomb rack watch ceptor explode as it lands. Bath in the rage and tears of the ceptor pilot....
Instead of finding ways to exploit new mechanics as the old goons would have done the new goons whine about it.
Drone assists and Archons .......Goons whine ESS ...... Goons whine.... Honestly the goons of today are the whiniest whimpiest bunch of players the game has ever seen.
By the way what are you guys doing with all thoses isks anyways? You don-¦t need them to replace personally lost ships thanks to reimbursement, so why are the goonies out in force and cry a river that would but the sty to shame?
You don-¦t even buy capitals with it otherwise you would not whine that the others had more dreads/carriers/supercarriers/titans than your lot. You would have just stomped them whenever possible. So what are you doing with all the isks anyways? RMT?
Escalation of Bearing
Carebear > Nullbear > Goonbear |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4350
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:32:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game.
The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game.
Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing my make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons.
A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things.
This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
273
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:35:00 -
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Layla Firoue wrote:You know people whine alot these days how to catch ceptors, here is one idee park a cloacked disco BS alt ontop of the ESS structure
That sounds profitable. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4121
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:36:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game. The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game. Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing my make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons. A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things. This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.
PVe for supply.
Also known as "mining with lazors". |
Horeya
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:44:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: And they just don't get that.
CCP is repeating the Systems upgrade nerf mistake again. For those of you not familiar, here goes:
~snip~.
CCP had the right idea with that, they wanted conflict to happen but no one wanted it to happen everyone just isks up for one big fight and rinse repeat, for solo if you can make it null is awesome (see Infinity Ziona) and some other groups, the problem is null is so "infested" with certain alliances that it isn't possible for most members of those alliances/corps because everyone wants a peace of the pie but no one wants to fight for it, and no one wants to anger the others.. because :conflict: anyway
The way of state of null is pretty clear now, thousands of members in coalitions manipulated by their leaders, the high up have a great amount of isk while everyone else doesn't and gets bread crumbs and complains, fights in wars and complains some more, defends space he doesn't care about complains about it and continues to do it, just as a rusty cog in a wheel..
The fact that most people here are stating that they would rather go to high sec to make money AND NO ONE EVEN SUGGESTED faction warfare LP or even WH further proves that null blue donut is on the way, you know why low sec players don't complain? even though they only got faction warfare for them mostly all they care about is the pew I had joined many low sec corps and they make **** for money even some of the best, hell high sec mercenaries ATM are more conflict drivers than null, something is seriously going wrong down there, there are too much ships for brains.
CCP wants guerrilla warfare, I bet they are pretty tired of the blue donut, hell all of null would be blue if the leaders wanted to, as said above "rogueish" gameplay, see that all the deployables are catered towards OTHER players (solo small gangs) stealing from coalitions.
You don't want null? fine, go back to high sec, maybe null will get rid of the giant mega coalitions and have the right corps fighting for it.
Even though you guys hate Infinity Ziona suggestion about removing timers, I think you should go play planetside 2 and see for yourself, at night when limited people are online (nice small fights, 1vs1, and some small gangs), and in the evening you get massive fights for HOURS flipping systems, AND in several systems instead of the crammed up 4k in one system.
When you start losing control and stop thinking about it is a game that' when you stop having fun. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2117
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:47:00 -
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Someone else hit it on the head.
The people who are there right now, are there for money.
Now they won't be.
That equals less PvP opportunities. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9837
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:51:00 -
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Horeya wrote: Even though you guys hate Infinity Ziona suggestion about removing timers, I think you should go play planetside 2 and see for yourself, at night when limited people are online (nice small fights, 1vs1, and some small gangs), and in the evening you get massive fights for HOURS flipping systems, AND in several systems instead of the crammed up 4k in one system.
When you start losing control and stop thinking about it is a game that' when you stop having fun.
Remove timers are you wind up with the same massive supercapital blobs steamrolling eachother only now everyones assets will wind up trapped in stations they cannot access. Literally no one will live in sov space.
The answer is simple, give us a reason to want to live out in null rather than forcing us into highsec. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Toshiro Ozuwara
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
349
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:57:00 -
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The Goon tears in this thread are truly delicious.
The publord CFC ratting empire in the North is being threatened! --- |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1031
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:58:00 -
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"CCP knows what you want better than you do...."
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
561
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:Seems like were spending a lot of time talking about a PVE nerf in a PVP game. The pve in this case is important because it's a common source of isk for the null sec alliance pvp grunts whose ship deaths largely fuel the EVE online economy. I call it "PVE for supply" as opposed to the "PVE for fun" that many people do. PVE for supply is vital for pvp in this game. Those null sec grunts making isk in null sec (thus being easly subject to pvp themselves) is a good thing, those same grunts choosing to make isk in safer places is less good for the same reasons. A 5% nerf doesn't sound that bad (it isn't) execpt that it just further pushes the balance sheet further away from null sec for "PVE for supply". The only reason to do PVE in null NOW is just for fun because pve in other places is boring but just as capable of providing isk if you want isk for other things. This ESS thing won't kill EVE or null sec, it's just a step in a stupidly bad direction.
Thank you for the explanation. I also appreciate the civil and non-condescending way in which you presented it.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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