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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:because CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist GÇö a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy.
Buy a big toy and put it in a big box. Take it home to your kids. Kids play with big box because it's more fun for them than the toy.
I'm going to just keep playing with the big box. Stupid toy is stupid.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Fix Lag
701
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:48:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:
Buy a big toy and put it in a big box. Take it home to your kids. Kids play with big box because it's more fun for them than the toy.
I'm going to just keep playing with the big box. Stupid toy is stupid.
If you don't play with the toy you lose 5% of the box. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Desmond Strickler
End-of-Line
19
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:54:00 -
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"oh no my precious bounties! Oh how will I ever pay for my ratting tengu now noooooooo" -Literally everyone in this thread
No one will probably use this anyways, so I have no idea why you are sperging over it. and you act like 5% is going to kill you.
1. HTFU 2. Buy a incursion alt 3. ???? 4. Profit The Black Prince of Wormholes a.k.a The Black Prince of The East
Professional Nereus Gang Fighter
Part-Time Moon Bear and Full-Time Black Guy |
Fix Lag
701
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:57:00 -
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Desmond Strickler wrote:1. HTFU 2. Buy a incursion alt 3. ???? 4. Profit
And that, right there, is the problem. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Prie Mary wrote:Lets look back in eve history...
CCP nerfed incursions - Incursion runners raged. CCP nerfed missions - Missioners raged CCP nerfed wormholes - Sleeper farmers raged GǪbecause CCP could provide reasons why incursions were payout out too much; why missions were encroaching on other activities in the kinds of goods they created; andGǪ ok, I'm stumped on the last one. How and when did that happen? Quote:CCP propose to nerf 0.0 bears income by..... 5% or alternatively buff it 5% depending on view - 0.0 bears rage GǪbecause CCP can't provide any reason why it should happen other to give their ill-conceived, non-functioning toy a reason to exist GÇö a fact that only proves that it has no reason to exist to begin with. Oh, and it's not just nulseccers raging against that kind of idiocy.
Well 1 reason which springs to mind - arnt 0.0 people always asking for CCP to motivate us high sec carebears into 0.0 to provide them more targets, this module does so, it is a carrot... tempting the brave and daring carebear out to 0.0 to steal someones bountys.
This module is likely not only to add another level of immersion to 0.0 play - scamming, spys and trolls are all part of alliances, corp thieves etc, this module adds the choice to steal your friend/enemys hard earned cash. Think of it as legitimate scamming.
There will be a few knock on effects. The increased highsec carebears attempting to get to 0.0 will provide the low/null gate campers with easy targets.
0.0 alliances might actually, you know defend their ratting space - have to bait and clear out cloakys, chase off red/neutral roaming gangs before they just take hundreds of millions in accumulated bountys.
It will entice people to form roaming gangs to go around like repo men, killing ratters and stealing their bountys from the ESS, the move onto the next area and do the same.
not to mention corp leaders/alliance highbys have the option not only of raising corp taxes to 100% to get people to stop ratting and join fleets, but go and blow up/take their bountys as a motivational tool.
There you go, it doesn't add anything Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
577
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:05:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:
Buy a big toy and put it in a big box. Take it home to your kids. Kids play with big box because it's more fun for them than the toy.
I'm going to just keep playing with the big box. Stupid toy is stupid.
If you don't play with the toy you lose 5% of the box.
The box is the same size. The toy doesn't make the box smaller. It just reduces your bounties if you don't play with the toy.
Big box is still fun.
There is much more to the box than the toy.
And there is much more to the game than 5% of bounties.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:05:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Desmond Strickler wrote:1. HTFU 2. Buy a incursion alt 3. ???? 4. Profit And that, right there, is the problem.
Quick raise the deflector shields, try and move CCP onto incursions - again. Threads about ESS not nerf incursions Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Fix Lag
701
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:11:00 -
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Prie Mary wrote:Fix Lag wrote:Desmond Strickler wrote:1. HTFU 2. Buy a incursion alt 3. ???? 4. Profit And that, right there, is the problem. Quick raise the deflector shields, try and move CCP onto incursions - again. Threads about ESS not nerf incursions
What I'm saying has nothing to do with nerfing incursions--it's pointing out that CCP has, by virtue of making nullsec worthless, made highsec incursion running (and FW frigate crap, and maybe L4s for those too desperate or stupid to do otherwise) about the only viable way to rat money. Which makes owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid. CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
577
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:15:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Which makes owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid.
The lack of indoor plumbing make owning and maintaining a nullsec empire pretty stupid.
Come to highsec!! We have indoor plumbing!!
Also BREAKFAST FOOD!!!
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
577
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:30:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:The default nerf should be 10%. The module drops the income for another 10% but it can rise to 120% eventually. That would be perfect balance and made everyone happy.
No more foolish talk. You can never make everyone happy. Somewhere, someone is still upset about who knows what.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1428
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:31:00 -
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psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare
Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
703
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:34:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:The default nerf should be 10%. The module drops the income for another 10% but it can rise to 120% eventually. That would be perfect balance and made everyone happy. 120% is way over the top (in my opinion). And a nerf isn't even necessary. Or, if they insist on a nerf, then build it into the structure. In other words, if the intent is to award players with say, a 15 - 25% bonus for installing the structure, instead make it 10 - 20%. The nerf, in my opinion (and I may be missing something), is just an extra and unnecessary part to the machine. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
578
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec.
La Nariz wrote:This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
That word that is bolded should be lovingly.
Also, if you desire to have highsec people excluded from discussions, don't start threads in General Discussion. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
541
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:37:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:The default nerf should be 10%. The module drops the income for another 10% but it can rise to 120% eventually. That would be perfect balance and made everyone happy. 120% is way over the top (in my opinion). And a nerf isn't even necessary. Or, if they insist on a nerf, then build it into the structure. In other words, if the intent is to award players with say, a 15 - 25% bonus for installing the structure, instead make it 10 - 20%. The nerf, in my opinion (and I may be missing something), is just an extra and unnecessary part to the machine.
I don't agree. The deployable needs to have an offensive mean also. But i also agree that ESS is pretty much useless with the nullsec in this kind of state. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
61
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:39:00 -
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As I've said earlier, this new deplorable gives players a new way to interfere with other playerGÇÖs income, and that's certainly a good thing. But trolls aside, I think most sensible people agree the implementation is pretty bad. But one of the things I've noticed repeatedly is the talk of how these changes affect the income of the null sec working class. And the null plebs accessible and subpar income streams stacked against the risks involved in acquiring it seems to be the real problem here. Perhaps we arenGÇÖt looking at this the right way.
In a previous thread on the richest person in eve, mynnna, whose bio styles him as a member of the goons economic warfare cabal stated that he has somewhere in the area of 3.3 trillion isk mynnna wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:I'd guess Mynnna is probably up there. 3.3T or so. I'm "up there" perhaps but I'm sure plenty of people have more. I have a lot of fun with it all, at least. From this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=306537
Surely that didn't all come from running lvl 4's, or doing incursions or ratting in null. I'll bet that 3.3 tril was possible due to mynnna's position in the upper echelon of a major null sec power bloc, and was accumulated with the support of the alliance infrastructure and participation in the meta game. Instead of crying to ccp to increase the null sec plebs income, perhaps they should ask mynnna, and the other ultra rich players at the top of the null blocs for a bigger slice of the pie?
Or you could just shut the **** up and accept that to get the big isk in null, just as anywhere else, requires skill, intelligence and a **** load of meta gaming. That's the risk v reward right there. Don't like it? Then don't play the null game, or just stay for the pew. Or go and do missions and incursions in high sec at the top end, but expect to put in some effort there as well. Just like irl, play the null game and risk to make it big, or don't and get bugger all at best. Either way, if you pve for isk, you're just a working class pleb working at eve mcdonalds. The problem isn't ****** scrub income in high or null at all. The problem is whiny proles are just lazy and want god or the government to make their life easier. So instead of whining to ccp for more isk, whine to your overlords and spare the rest of us. It's not broken because it's tough on the plebs. Null is the arse end of the game, hell, bounties should be **** in null, the big isk comes from being at the top siphoning off the lions share of the value of the 'teamwork" needed to secure the really rare valuable stuff, just like irl.
Irl the rich use creative ways of siphoning the value of the proles labour into their own pockets, eve is no different. Love him or loathe him, marx had a point, the working class gets exploited. And that brings me to another point, our wallets and station assets are too safe. Not sure what can be done about that. But itGÇÖd be nice to be able to pinch someoneGÇÖs ship out of their hanger, or swipe a portion of their wallet without them being coerced into giving it to me. But that would probably get real messy.
In summation, perhaps if players want to build and maintain their own little empires in null, the game mechanics should be modified so as to force them to pony up some more of their own isk to the plebs if they want to be the big man (or woman) in eve. Edit: this would also help get some of that isk back into circulation. |
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
11
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:42:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Mister Simms wrote:ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much.... Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion.
Nullsec dwellers don't seem to like it when their income is nerfed any more than those of us in other parts of New Eden do. Oh but I forgot, you are "special". No one can mess with the Goon's income.....
Like I said. The ESS idea is brilliant. |
Norm Tempesta
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
57
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:45:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote:La Nariz wrote:Mister Simms wrote:ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much.... Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion. Nullsec dwellers don't seem to like it when their income is nerfed any more than those of us in other parts of New Eden do. Oh but I forgot, you are "special". No one can mess with the Goon's income..... Like I said. The ESS idea is brilliant.
Normal drivel.............
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
541
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:46:00 -
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Mister Simms wrote:La Nariz wrote:Mister Simms wrote:ESS sounds like a great idea to me. Not sure why the Null Alliances are all whining about it so much.... Perhaps because you are a highsec dweller and it does not affect you? Maybe if it were restricted to highsec only you'd have a different opinion. Nullsec dwellers don't seem to like it when their income is nerfed any more than those of us in other parts of New Eden do. Oh but I forgot, you are "special". No one can mess with the Goon's income..... Like I said. The ESS idea is brilliant.
Try guys and live in lowsec. Nullsec whiny sissies are just pathetic. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:47:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:La Nariz wrote:psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec. La Nariz wrote:This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. That word that is bolded should be loving ly. Also, if you desire to have highsec people excluded from discussions, don't start threads in General Discussion.
I love this sig it catches so many people :smug:. I didn't start the thread but I would support a feature that let me prevent groups of people from posting in threads when you make them, npc alt: can't post in this thread, lives in highsec: can't post in this thread, etc. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
578
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:49:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:I love this sig it catches so many people :smug:. I didn't start the thread but I would support a feature that let me prevent groups of people from posting in threads when you make them, npc alt: can't post in this thread, lives in highsec: can't post in this thread, etc.
Features and Ideas sir. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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Crakachunky
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
12
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:51:00 -
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step 1: create procedurally generated fleet based PVE content that takes notes from actual PVP meta, and don't just guess, interview lots of the celebrity status small gang FC's. things they should have in common with incursions- split ISK payouts, different sites for different fleet sizes, cyno jammed, random locations, 2-3 spawn at a time in the same system, more ISK for bigger sites things they should not have in common- system beacons are a no, constellation clumped, showing up on the map
step 2: implement OPTIONAL ESS, set it to take ALL the ISK for a fleet, with 125% payout after tags are stupid forget tags options are good, take all or dish out (to fleet) cashout timer set to 5mins ship that cashes out is disabled (akin to lighting cyno) for the ESS to be applicable to the fleet it must be on grid, as in, in the site the fleet is currently running
step 3: offer me a job
what we have now is ISK making fleet activities for many sizes and shapes (can limit ship types for sites with activation gates) -PVP fit small fleets now roam alliance space chilling out and making ISK together, ESS enhances this BUT... -if used it allows rival PVP gangs to come in and FIGHT for the RIGHT to STEAL your ISK (hence the ESS disabling ship + keeping total ISK until payout), there is the risk for reward -roaming fleets are now varied because to use your space effectively more than one ship type or fleet composition will be needed -sites that you are not interested allow ninja fleets to roam your space and clear it up |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2014.01.17 00:54:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:La Nariz wrote:I love this sig it catches so many people :smug:. I didn't start the thread but I would support a feature that let me prevent groups of people from posting in threads when you make them, npc alt: can't post in this thread, lives in highsec: can't post in this thread, etc. Features and Ideas sir.
You're the one that brought it up, you first. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
578
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:03:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:You're the one that brought it up, you first.
Post #422
La Nariz wrote:psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec.
I am a high sec carebear.
I am still posting in this thread.
My input, while not valued by you, is not without value.
Kimmi Chan wrote:Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.
I submit you sir, as exhibit A. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1431
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:08:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:La Nariz wrote:You're the one that brought it up, you first. Post #422 La Nariz wrote:psycho freak wrote:Allways bet on stupid and gread of the carebare Quality highsec posting. Highsec people should be excluded from this discussion unless the ESS is going to involve highsec. I am a high sec carebear. I am still posting in this thread. My input, while not valued by you, is not without value. Kimmi Chan wrote:Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do. I submit you sir, as exhibit A.
Oh no, someone from a population that normally will not form their opinion off of data and requires constant codling does not approve of me. What will I ever do? I got it, I'll become a CCP Dev and I'll invent something called an "ESS" for highsec. That'll show them.
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL "Null not worth it anymore" "But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! " "Forced into highsec" Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Whats hard to get about this? You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option? CCP must have different numbers than yourself. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
578
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:23:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Oh no, someone from a population that normally will not form their opinion off of data and requires constant codling does not approve of me. What will I ever do? I got it, I'll become a CCP Dev and I'll invent something called an "ESS" for highsec. That'll show them.
That would be another good thing to put in Features and Ideas sir.
Here is one that is close.
And another.
Also Post #215
[quote=Kimmi Chan[Would not bother me one little bit to take a 10% nerf to mission rewards and bounties for L4 missions. But if you nerf high sec missions where are the null sec residents going to go to make money?
I will say this though, my opinion (which most people in this thread don't give a **** about because the only valid opinion in their mind is their own and their sycophants) is that ALL deployable structures are ******* stupid. Should change the market tab to Deplorable Structures.]
I do love you for responding though.
"You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
62
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:23:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL "Null not worth it anymore" "But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! " "Forced into highsec" Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Whats hard to get about this? You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option? CCP must have different numbers than yourself.
I'm betting the per capita income difference between the average null pleb and the average high sec pleb leaves the null pleb in front. The higher bounty generation in empire would be due to the much higher population turning over a lot more lower value rats. Just a guess on that, haven't seen numbers. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1677
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:50:00 -
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cannot decide who had the wrose dev blog
soniclover of zulu back in 2007
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/capital-ships-in-eve-whats-up-doc/
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
631
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:58:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL "Null not worth it anymore" "But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! " "Forced into highsec" Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Whats hard to get about this? You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option? CCP must have different numbers than yourself. I'm betting the per capita income difference between the average null pleb and the average high sec pleb leaves the null pleb in front. The higher bounty generation in empire would be due to the much higher population turning over a lot more lower value rats. Just a guess on that, haven't seen numbers.
There is a finite number of systems that allow more than 1 person to rat effectively at a time.
Hilariously in my system, the ports spawn with 4x 1.2m bounty rats in military 1, and in military 2 (which is an entirely reliable event), and then at military 3 it changes over to almost always spawning the alternate spawn that has only 2 500k BS in the last spawn and has 2 waves of multiple elite frigates out of 4 waves total, AND is harder to tank. So in military 2, I get the necessary 2 ports to for 1 person to run 60m/hr, but in military 3, I don't, I have to run the 45m/hr forlorn rally point and I think the forlorn den is the best to go with it, because of how badly the ports go sour. (I brought a hyperion out here specifically to void the ports, but an hour of voiding the ports puts the system into military 3, meaning I just wasted a great deal of effort hauling a ship that is basically useless now unless I stop ratting for days).
In military 4 I get the 2 hubs necessary for 1 person to run 60m hour, and in military 5, I probably have enough for 2 people to rat because there are 3 hubs - but military 5 probably requires 3 people ratting to actually hit it. which the system doesn't offer unless they aren't in the same TZ.
Note that I easily blitz 60m/hr with a dominix running for FIO (which just has a basic gallente navy LP store), and I can blitz more than 100m/hr for sisters with a dominix. I don't need a billion isk in the ihub, I don't need to make a freighter run and 4 JF runs to set it up, I don't need to fuel a pos, and I don't need to warp into the pos and select a PVP ship everytime someone enters the system.
ie TL;DR dominion isk making system is oriented towards an entirely different organisational structure than the dominion strategic system is, hence all the bitching, and hence the obvious observation that some 10 regions are now almost entirely populated by the renters who have organisations more suited to actually extracting some value out of the terrible flyover territory that makes up most of null. |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
64
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:05:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:baltec1 wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:LOL "Null not worth it anymore" "But... but... we were only out in null for the mission bounties! " "Forced into highsec" Did somebody throw a switch on a propaganda machine somewhere? Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of b.s.! Whats hard to get about this? You earn more in high sec with near perfect safety. Why would you chose null sec which offers the worst option? CCP must have different numbers than yourself. I'm betting the per capita income difference between the average null pleb and the average high sec pleb leaves the null pleb in front. The higher bounty generation in empire would be due to the much higher population turning over a lot more lower value rats. Just a guess on that, haven't seen numbers. There is a finite number of systems that allow more than 1 person to rat effectively at a time. Hilariously in my system, the ports spawn with 4x 1.2m bounty rats in military 1, and in military 2 (which is an entirely reliable event), and then at military 3 it changes over to almost always spawning the alternate spawn that has only 2 500k BS in the last spawn and has 2 waves of multiple elite frigates out of 4 waves total, AND is harder to tank. So in military 2, I get the necessary 2 ports to for 1 person to run 60m/hr, but in military 3, I don't, I have to run the 45m/hr forlorn rally point and I think the forlorn den is the best to go with it, because of how badly the ports go sour. (I brought a hyperion out here specifically to void the ports, but an hour of voiding the ports puts the system into military 3, meaning I just wasted a great deal of effort hauling a ship that is basically useless now unless I stop ratting for days). In military 4 I get the 2 hubs necessary for 1 person to run 60m hour, and in military 5, I probably have enough for 2 people to rat because there are 3 hubs - but military 5 probably requires 3 people ratting to actually hit it. which the system doesn't offer unless they aren't in the same TZ. Note that I easily blitz 60m/hr with a dominix running for FIO (which just has a basic gallente navy LP store), and I can blitz more than 100m/hr for sisters with a dominix. I don't need a billion isk in the ihub, I don't need to make a freighter run and 4 JF runs to set it up, I don't need to fuel a pos, and I don't need to warp into the pos and select a PVP ship everytime someone enters the system. ie TL;DR dominion isk making system is oriented towards an entirely different organisational structure than the dominion strategic system is, hence all the bitching, and hence the obvious observation that some 10 regions are now almost entirely populated by the renters who have organisations more suited to actually extracting some value out of the terrible flyover territory that makes up most of null.
That's good to know. You're a more effective high sec carebear then you are nullbear. If you had a point though, I'd appreciate it if you would spell it out for me.
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