o.O
I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.

How about we experiment with this ESS first in Highsec. Then if its such a great idea and not just a useless thing no one will put up we can try it in nullsec.

because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.

i doubt highsec rats are much of an isk faucet as their bounties suck.

Seems to me they are trying to make you work in teams for an additonal 5% or not work in teams for a 5% reduction.

But what do I know

because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet.

because the purpose of this whole change as stated by CCP Somiwhatever is to reduce nullsec ratting bounties as they have become some sort of out-of-control ISK faucet

Oh if that's the case we're already in highsec on our alts running l4s and doing incursions. So that means if they want to nerf nullsec income the ESS needs to be exclusively a highsec thing. It works perfectly that way.

incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk.

+1 for ESS

I'm not sure I get it.

I'm not sure I get it. So the unit steals money from ratters and then ratters have to get the money from the unit or thieves can get it instead?

So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right?

Yup.

If you dont use this deployable you are accepting a 5% nerf to income or you plant one which risks 20% of the income for a *potential* 5% bonus... Unless some jerkbag comes and steals from it in an interceptor. Which they will.

I believe I shall propose that the ESS be applied to CONCORD payouts for Incursions.

It's the same lore principle, after all. And that'd be some emergent conduct, err, content.

Whoops sorry couldn't post again there for a second because my gang was trying to lock a maladiction that has a 1.9 align/warp speed making it entirely untouchable due to 1 second server ticks.

Apparently stuffing sebos in a stilleto till it locks a pod in a second isn't enough.

I'm still trying to figure out why suddenly deploy-able structures are suddenly a hot item with CCP.

I mean, I realize they have nothing else important to work on....
And we had lots of posts demanding new structures....


How many man hours were invested in all these dumb structures? It's not like Tidi is going to fly in the long run, or the node crashes that happen every time a Super fight unfolds. The Sov system is basically broken, yet CCP seems to be more worried about ship balancing.

Who's steering the ship, the hamsters?

I've suspected this for some time, but they flat out can't do a lot of the things that need done at this point.

You know, the whole "The guys who coded the POS system quit and we don't know how to change it" thing. Writ large.

I personally wonder if the 2 are related; if the goal for the POS code is to have it simply be replaced at a time when the code behind the mobile structures becomes robust enough to result in a suitable replacement. That could simply mean that the surge of structures is partially an experiment towards this end.

Of course they dont like it. It represents a direct nerf to their income and a whole new mechanic for blues to get butthurt at other blues.

Its fantastic.

Then how about you whiny fucks go back to high sec. You'll get the big isk and you can grief the hell out of all the carebears and pubbies and you won't have to worry about interceptors. Seriously. Why do you even null?

God yeah your right, we should probably just let the game become so broken no one enjoys playing it, I mean it's only like two point five years till star citizen comes out. I say we get remote doomsdays back too.

I'm sure CCP will fix the horrible and unjust imbalance when they see you vote with your feet and move back to empire.

Hey CCP I have this wild idea to make the PVE in your game even more tedious. Replace all bounties with Tags. ALL bounties. Then make it so the tags can only be traded in for raw materials. Which you use to craft your ships yourself.

"Move back" implies I've ever spent significant time in empire.

Why do that when I can just send an alt to highsec and continue to shoot at unimportant recruiting alliance full of pubbie scrublords like yourself?

For the pleasure of doing it with your main of course. And so you don't have to cry all over the forums about how unfair the game is. Change your play style bro, then you won't have to whinge as much.

You know there's a pretty huge issue when

Goonswarm Federation
Mordus Angels
Fatal Ascension
Razor Alliance
Li3 Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Space Monkey's Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Black Legion
Nulli Secunda
Against All Authorities
Darkness of Despair
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
The Initiative.
Brothers of Tangra
Fidelas Constans
Gentleman's Agreement
Solar Fleet
Circle of Two
The Kadeshi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Spaceship Samurai
Executive Outcomes


all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid.

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A flat nerf to null bounties would have been simpler and less annoying.

As for lengthening the payout period, that might be needed, but people should consider that its balanced against the defenders forming up BEFORE the hostiles enter system.

It's not unfair, it's broken. There's a difference. A hotdrop is generally "Unfair" to the recipient of a hotdrop. But it's not broken, it has a counter, and it has inherent risks and rewards. I realize you are dumb so you may not understand the inherent "Risk vs Reward" tenant that is the entire basis for this game and I'd spell it out but I'm honestly pretty lazy.

So the ESS will be bait for the untouchable AFK cloakers and other nullsec pests. Sounds like the ESS might be quite useful after all.

Granted, you qualify this statement as "they generate loyalty points instead", but that is still bar none the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say on these forums.

I wonder how long it takes to access the funds from the module.

Oh how terrible, all the big nullsec blobbers agree that actually pvping to keep their ratters income up is a travesty. This is totally unacceptable, I mean do you actually mean that now we can't just dock up? Do you mean now we have to actually start protecting our renters and ratting income, tsk tsk, totally unacceptable.

Anyways the only issue I find with it is the time to steal is very short, 60 secs is way too low, it should at least be 3 mins and 5 mins ideally. Give time for actual ships to warp there.

And it's not a nerf if you deploy this right and are willing to fight for the income. It will decrease it by 5% intially but has the potential to increase it by 25%, which is a significant boost in income.

The only thing worse than carebears is nullbears, because carebears are at least honest about it.

No, please do explain it to me. As though you were explaining it to a child. Explain to me how the ESS is broken and has no counter. Explain to me how it doesn't add to the risk v reward dimension. Explain how it won't be fixed if CCP finds that it really is broken and you're not just a whinging *****.

+1
The most useless, irrelevant addition to EVE in a long time. Not only that, but it spams local worse than Jita isk doublers...

"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > *Person2* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"

And it goes on and on and on and on... make it stahp!

Then how about you whiny fucks go back to high sec. You'll get the big isk and you can grief the hell out of all the carebears and pubbies and you won't have to worry about interceptors. Seriously. Why do you even null?

what?

so you don't understand the difference between say, a pound of gold, and a wad of cash? you view them as equivalent?

if you mine gold out of the ground - you "create" dollars?.... no - you don't. ...

or are you just being thick on purpose? some sort of troll?

reminds me of this picture:

https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1338/97/1338970066809.png

Apparently stuffing sebos in a stilleto till it locks a pod in a second isn't enough.

Honestly between uncatchable interceptors and this stupid thing, i can't see any real reason to do any moneymaking in null. I mean running an anom right now nets me about 60-70m/h. Meanwhile I can go run an incursion for 100m/h+ and the only risk is hating myself. I already do that.

I get that you get this, but just to expand:

LP and the things you buy with it are actually an ISK sink which is a good thing. Rat bounties are an isk faucet as in they inject ISK into the economy out of the ~either~

The money you get from selling your LP gained items is moving from other players to you, thus it is not created out of nothing. It's a really simple concept and I'm at a loss as to why people don't get it.

Because we'd kill everybody. ...which now that I think about it isn't a bad idea. Yeah, let's implement this, nerf null, make the game more imbalanced, **** off nullsec players, force them(all of them) to make their isk in highsec, except we awox, gank, pillage, steal and destroy everyone.. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Ugh I hate nested quotes. But at any rate there is at the moment very little you can do to deal with a gang of 5 or so interceptors except run away. There is no way to force them into conflict with a force that could "Deal" with them.

Baiting them is ineffective because an interceptor with MWD running can allign/warp before a ship lands on grid.

Covert drops won't work because again, with MWD running they can warp out before the first ship loads grid.

Sitting cloaked on grid won't work because of decloak delay. You could in theory tackle with a bomber, but that would imply the interceptors weren't running a kiting missile fit with MWD's working (Sidebar: It's fast aligning fleet ceptors with missiles that are really causing all of the problems) and frankly... they will be. So that's pretty much out the window.

Interceptor gangs have always been dangerous to ratters, and with the warp speed buffs they would be even more so, but before you could force an engagement and actually "Defend" your space using bubbles and force them to fight hide or die. Now they can run in, kill something, run straight through the defensive gang meant to "kill them" and bounce down the pipe. The only thing you can really do is chase them around and hope they get tired of it and leave.

Before the inevitable comparison to a blops gang, bombers and the like are very vulnerable at gates, and are generally easy to counter drop if you know they are active. And that's kinda the point: There is a counter.

I don't know what "nested" quotes are, does it mean sarcastic ones?

Anyways if intys are a problem by always "running away" then godforbid you actually keep 1 ship to guard the module, or you know actually kill it. At the end of the day even if they heavily outnumber the enemy, ceptors have a very poor ability to actually fight. So if ceptors are a big problem just keep a vaga that can kill a bunch of them. If there is like 50 of them, oh god forbid you have to actually to form up to protect your income.

Worst case scenario, please tell me you are not ratting when there is a 50 man inty gang roaming around, you just destroy the ****** module when they leave system.

Adapt or die, nullseccers have been moaning and whinning about "farms and fields" since forever and once it gets started the whinning against it begins. Maybe by "farms and fields" they meant systems they can plow but cannot be raided?

Ah, I thought she was talking about the end result for the individual player?

Are you illiterate? Start with the post where you quoted me regarding interceptors and work your way up to here.

Hint: It has nothing to do with the ESS.

Double Hint: A vagabond cannot catch or kill a malediction right now unless he screws up in a glorious method.

Are you illiterate?

No because I'm playing a video game turbo nerd.

Yes personal insults have began, that means you are winning the argument right?

Anyways If you want to steal from the module you have to actually be in 2500m of it for 60 secs. If you can't kill an inty in that timeframe in a cruiser then I don't know what I can tell you.

If they don't orbit at 2500m it then it is a little harder to kill them (I am not here to teach you how to kill cepters) but hey they can't steal from you either. It is just the like the whinning about afk cloaking. Sure they are impossible to kill but if they don't actually decloak they can't hurt you.

And worst case scenario you kill the module, it has freighter hp and can be killed with a single ship. Yes you lose 5% of your income but hey if you can't defend your ****** system against a bunch of ceptors then you know what you deserve to lose more than 5%.

No I'm calling you illiterate because I wasn't talking about the ESS when you engaged me, I was making a comment on the inability to secure any space no matter how much effort is due to the current meta fast align kiting interceptors have added, I have clearly and overtly stated this directly at least once, yet you still bring the ESS up as if it was winning you the argument. But please talk about he counters to the ESS again because the next time it will totally be what I was talking about when you first quoted me and started this idiot discussion.

No I'm calling you illiterate because I wasn't talking about the ESS when you engaged me, I was making a comment on the inability to secure any space no matter how much effort is due to the current meta fast align kiting interceptors have added, I have clearly and overtly stated this directly at least once, yet you still bring the ESS up as if it was winning you the argument. But please talk about he counters to the ESS again because the next time it will totally be what I was talking about when you first quoted me and started this idiot discussion.

oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me

No I'm calling you illiterate because I wasn't talking about the ESS when you engaged me, I was making a comment on the inability to secure any space no matter how much effort is due to the current meta fast align kiting interceptors have added, I have clearly and overtly stated this directly at least once, yet you still bring the ESS up as if it was winning you the argument. But please talk about he counters to the ESS again because the next time it will totally be what I was talking about when you first quoted me and started this idiot discussion.

First of all, I have no respect for Goonswarm.

Second of all, you are a disgrace to Goonswarm.

They're adjustments to the game. HTFU noob.

First of all, I have no respect for Goonswarm.

Second of all, you are the guiding light and chosen son of Goonswarm.

They're bad, and poorly thought out adjustments to the game. HTFU sir.

oh god i'm a laughing stock

oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me

Sounds good to me too, that's why I suggested it. Null should be voting with its feet and leaving if its such ****.

serious question who is agony empire

oh so what was that thing you did?

i thought the "who's agony empire" was pretty poignant

Here you go.

Oh, and hello Arkady!

You here to weep buckets too, or just stick up for old whatshisface?

I object to a nerf to nullsec ratting income in principle when CCPs own economist says there is nothing wrong with the isk being generated, as well as the implementation of a structure which makes nullspace objectively worse. We need more people in null, not less.

I personally favor a LP type isk sink for null, as it solves the (alleged) isk faucet problem and is far more likely to encourage null players to make their ISK in null (and thus be in null as a target to other nullsec players roaming gangs), rather than on hisec alts.

The fact that I like Vagrant's rageposting is neither here nor there.

I believe 60 seconds overall.



The injection of isk, compared to the injection of valuable goods, is functionally the same.

If I get 50 mil in isk from doing something, and I buy Item X for 25 mil, then it's precise the same equation as if I get 25 mil isk and Item X from doing something else.

The only difference is that the item is likely a more stable investment, as the fluctuation of prices of an individual faction item is typically less than the fluctuation of money.

Now that means you are definitely winning the argument.

Goon tears best tears.

When I first heard about this structure I thought it was going to be a tool for bottom up alliance income.


Honestly though, given the way things usually go in Null, I suspect that this will end up being more of a 5% boost than a nerf. Just park your booster alt on it while you rat if you're that worried.

Risk Vs Reward is broken in null right now

Top down economics encourages expansionism into mega coalitions

Anything yanking isk hamfistedly out of the hands of the individual pilot in nullsec is a relatively bad thing.

Logical 101

The 0.0 risk has always been dying in a fire. The reward has always been occasionally not dying in a fire.

I fail to see how that has changed.

Man, you guys have really gone soft.

The irony here is overwhelming.

These structures, along with several other highly anticipated and popular ones, are an attempt to add further functionality and new dynamic elements to 0.0. They don't break your game. They don't kill your pets. They don't shave your head while you're alseep, or rob your bank, or sodomize your livestock.

Your rageposting on the subject is plebeian at best.

So the ESS will be bait for the untouchable AFK cloakers and other nullsec pests. Sounds like the ESS might be quite useful after all.

People already don't rat when a null cloaker is in system. There is too high a risk he will cyno in a fleet.

And you are unable to address any points at all with your post. CCP has stated on several times that the more dangerous the space, the greater the rewards for living and surviving in that space should be. This is currently not the way things are layed out. It means they aren't fulfilling their very own design idea.

As the first deployable designed explicitly to screw with existing infrastructure, it represents a shift in the way CCP is thinking about territorial control. Previous expansions have made huge mechanical changes to the sovereignty system and tweaked the bonuses gained by owning space, but small groups haven't really been able to meaningfully interfere with the economic infrastructure of an empire and get something valuable out of it.

By giving players more options to interfere with infrastructure that's not being frequently checked and tended to, CCP will be making it more difficult to hold onto territory that isn't being actively used or patrolled.

Irony isn't just a word you can throw at the wall and hope it sticks.

But this doesn't really add functionality

You'd be amazed. I caught a guy mining in one groups region capital (With a faction tanked mining ship) who continued to mine despite me talking in local and generally carrying on with the residents.

The 0.0 risk has always been dying in a fire. The reward has always been occasionally not dying in a fire.

I fail to see how that has changed.

Man, you guys have really gone soft.

No, it doesn't. The ESS is clearly a miss, but it is only one of several new structures being deployed that this community are, for the most part, either luke warm or excited about. Not everything that gets added to the game is going to be a success, but crying buckets about how you're being marginalized with a 5% ratting income hit because you refuse to use the structures is akin to sobbing uncontrollably because you stubbed your toe.

Not even. It's a splinter. A very small, insignificant splinter when you consider how EVE players make money.

If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark shit.

People already don't rat when a null cloaker is in system.

Why didn't you fit a cyno and hot drop a fleet on him?

Typically after than happens once or twice people stop ratting.

I was talking about leaving your own AFK cloaky alt on the module.

If nobody gonna use it , wy is there a problem null bear?

If nobody gonna use it , wy is there a problem null bear?

So you really have nothing? I mean your main argument here seems to be based around "I don't really like it either, but I'm offended that you don't like it enough to say something". Well ok I guess you can sprint with that and see how far you can get.

pedant

a person who overemphasizes minor details

Like getting stuck on other deployables which aren't even a part of the argument at hand?

I mean you are literally mad

Someone is going to have to yank you kicking and screaming out of your tunnel eventually.

I'm doing what I can.

And I'm doing God's work, sir.

So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right?

No, that's you.

This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach.

Grab a beer and join me.

Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.

No, that's you.

This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach.

Grab a beer and join me.

Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.

Ah the puppetmaster argument. How nostalgic.

Ah the puppetmaster argument. How nostalgic.

I don't rat generally.

I fail to see how this is any different than the addition of MTUs for mission runners. The MTU provides a potential increase in efficiency (income increase), balanced by the increased interference from outside parties, forcing coordination between corpmates.

The ESS provides a potential increase in income balanced by the chance of interference, forcing coordination between alliance members.

forcing coordination between alliance members

Well, what I've learned from this thread is that, although you are Goonswarm, you have no clue how to exploit (make use of) these new deployables, and that interceptors befuddle and terrify you.

If that's what you were going for, well done, mission successful.

I fail to see how this is any different than the addition of MTUs for mission runners. The MTU provides a potential increase in efficiency (income increase), balanced by the increased interference from outside parties, forcing coordination between corpmates.

The ESS provides a potential increase in income balanced by the chance of interference, forcing coordination between alliance members.

If you don't use the MTU do you have a 5% nerf to income?

I'm so terribly sorry we let you down Logical. It hurts me deeply that we have become lesser in your eyes.

I will immediately retreat to Syndicate and go into isolation to reflect on my failings. In time, perhaps I will recover enough to be the snarling monsterbee you deserve.

One day, maybe you'll be able to "grr Goons" unironically again. Time will tell.

They can't engage us because we'd kill them if they commit. We can't catch and engage them

If using the MTU is considered the status quo now, then yes. Yes it is.

Oh the irony... so called hardcore PvPers complaining about a PVE aspect of the game. Looks like someone calculated how much their ratting bot fleets will lose, and decided to do a call to arms on the forums.

Interceptors do not befuddle or terrify me, they are simply imbalanced in the current pass due to the inability to force engagement with them and remove them from space in general or the area of operations. If anything I'd say that you not understanding the core tenants of what the problem is with nano'd kiting ceptors is either due to your own lack of knowledge of game mechanics or at best a low grade troll v0v. At the moment due to the changes in nullification of that particular style of ship my gang and interceptor gangs generally just stare at each other or watch each other pass by. They can't engage us because we'd kill them if they commit. We can't catch and engage them because it's mechanically impossible unless someone screws up so bad that they forget where the "Jump" button is.

As CCP has worked to rebalance Tech II ships, the common theme has been specialization. No rebalance so far has showcased this better than the Interceptor balancing planned for Rubicon. They will receive one big buff via the warp speed revamps. Combined with a new role bonus - bubble immunity - they will become the unquestioned kings of mobility. And just in case you thought CCP never listened to the players or the CSM, this idea actually comes from former CSM member Prometheus Exenthal. Other common changes include a buff to lock range (although not so much that you won't want to consider lock range upgrades) and a reaping of cargo capacity. If you want to leverage their bubble immunity to build an uncatchable cyno ship, be prepared to gimp your fit.

Gangs picking their fights based on mobility and engagement profile. The horror.

The lamentations of nullbears, are like a sweet wine to me.

I suppose this somehow makes you the odd man out. Some kind of rare specimen from another world.

An intercepter has to hang around long enough (and close enough) for a ship to at least lock it to steal from the unit. One person sitting on the unit with a scram and web will ruin an interceptors day. From what Im reading, scram and web range is a bit farther then the access range of the unit. Just form a small "ratting brigade", plan accordingly, and you should be fine.

Literally every other gang in the game can have engagements forced on them via some function, be it drops, counter drops, warp ins, bait or just catching them on the gate. Currently a nano'd malediction is functionally impossible to catch on a gate due to server ticks, it's immune to bubbles, even with MWD on it has enough agility to warp away while not aligned if you get a warp in before you can start locking, and it can do the same to a covert drop due to the glorious grid loading speeds of swapping systems. There's still bait, but most of the ships that can tie them down he'd simply never let himself be in point range of.

Most of these things don't apply to say a Taranis because it's generally a close range ship, and somewhat slow. But a malediction? Gets downright broken.

Really they just need their agility nerfed slightly, then a competent gang can catch them on a gate at least, and they'd have to have a gimmick fit ship to do it (dual sebod/rigged stilleto).

incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk.

Not really. The general consensus amongst most null dwellers (Even ones that I technically hate) is that something got a wee bit over buffed again. It happens. Your constant insistence that me stating that something is broken and providing arguments to support my claims is somehow breaking my mind down with rage and unquiet thoughts is kind of amusing, it's like an overdone "u mad bro?"

Just like the catalyst is the bane of afk miners, so shall ceptors be for the semi-afk ratters.

Null tears, tasty.

What do I give a damn about ratters? I'd just like to add some risk back into their lives

Although I agree this ratting thing sound like something I would come up with drunk, Im not buying that you cant protect it if you really want to. Alone? maybe not, buy your in null, you wouldnt live out there if you didn't have decent numbers.

Tanked bomber with a scram and a web sitting next to it would do the trick. Mainly because it's a unique situation that requires an interceptor stay still.You'd rely on backup for the kill. But again you'd be better off just not deploying one and dumping that SB pilot into another ratting ship.

So there is your counter.

I think you fail to see the truth of it.

A strongly player supported concept is suggested by CSM and is implemented. Most people have a lot of fun with it (well, the ones who don't have their heads shoved firmly up their asses). Fail PvPers unable to either utilize interceptors properly by being creative and embracing target selection in order to inflict pain and weepy nullbears unable to cope with this new threat claim "imbalance" and, as you have done, declare the concept to be failed and unpopular.

Then fly a ****ing interceptor!



Christ man, you crack me up.

im soooooo gonna fly around and dropping this baby just to **** ppl off XD

im soooooo gonna fly around and dropping this baby just to **** ppl off XD

So there is your counter. Wich means it is not broken, just an overall stupid idea.

If your just better off not using the thing instead of using one and protecting it, then just don't use it. If no one uses them, then its essentially just a 5% flat cut like people would prefer (although granted with a way around it if you want to do the work).

I personally wonder if CCP would bother keeping them in the game if literally no one ever used them.

Once again you are arguing against a straw man.

I dislike that. It's weird that you dislike me disliking that.

Repetition reinforcement goes both ways.


Not really. In this case it's an opportunity to attack the seemingly apathetic mindset put forth with a concrete implication; that the inability to exploit that which is presented to you is, in essence, intellectually bankrupt.

a falsis principiis proficisci

Repetition reinforcement goes both ways.


Not really. In this case it's an opportunity to attack the seemingly committed mindset put forth with a concrete implication; that the inability to exploit that which is presented to you is, in essence, intellectually bankrupt.

a falsis principiis proficisci

OMG you whining tw@ts. Big alliances trying to control eve again.

its ONLY 5% jesus christ! what is up with you. Dont use the ESS you ARE NOT FORCED to.

if you ratted for an hour and made 80mill you would be ONLY losing 4 million isk from what you would get now. big deal! and if you live in nullsec if losing 4 million isk is a problem for you, your doing it wrong.

Sorry if your botters will now lose a little more income!

get a god damn grip

posting with my main-main because i dont give a feck, this is getting out of hand

personally if ccp wanted to nerf nullsec they should of gone further and dropped it to 50% then the ESS would go up in scale the longer its there to 110%. this would of made it a far far better and interesting concept. At the moment the 5% is so small i wouldnt even bother deploying a ESS, so ignore it.

+1
The most useless, irrelevant addition to EVE in a long time. Not only that, but it spams local worse than Jita isk doublers...

"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > *Person2* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > *Person1* is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"
"EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System"

And it goes on and on and on and on... make it stahp!

Its the fact that over the last decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its income and we are now at the point where high sec offers much better income. This latest nerf is simply making the problem even worse. There is no reason at all to run anoms over high sec level 4s.

OMG you whining tw@ts. Big alliances trying to control eve again.

its ONLY 5% jesus christ! what is up with you. Dont use the ESS you ARE NOT FORCED to.

if you ratted for an hour and made 80mill you would be ONLY losing 4 million isk from what you would get now. big deal! and if you live in nullsec if losing 4 million isk is a problem for you, your doing it wrong.

Sorry if your botters will now lose a little more income!

get a god damn grip

posting with my main-main because i dont give a feck, this is getting out of hand

personally if ccp wanted to nerf nullsec they should of gone further and dropped it to 50% then the ESS would go up in scale the longer its there to 110%. this would of made it a far far better and interesting concept. At the moment the 5% is so small i wouldnt even bother deploying a ESS, so ignore it.

You know that this is a LIE. You know very well thatyou can make far far more isk per hour in 0.0. THe only place in high sec where you do near that level of isk per our is incursions. but those you cannot just get home and spend 30 mintues doing it. You need to get on wait list and wait for 2 hours before you start doing money.


If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?


SImplyu, this is a #!@#!@ excuse. 0.0 income is still 2-3 orders of magnitude larger than high sec (except commerce of course)

Don't get me wrong I have no problem utilizing inherently broken mechanics to my advantage, but that doesn't stop me from objectively arguing that they are broken as well. That's not intellectually bankrupt at all.

OMG you whining tw@ts. Big alliances trying to control eve again.

its ONLY 5% jesus christ! what is up with you. Dont use the ESS you ARE NOT FORCED to.

If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?

You know that this is a LIE. You know very well thatyou can make far far more isk per hour in 0.0. THe only place in high sec where you do near that level of isk per our is incursions. but those you cannot just get home and spend 30 mintues doing it. You need to get on wait list and wait for 2 hours before you start doing money.


If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?


SImplyu, this is a #!@#!@ excuse. 0.0 income is still 2-3 orders of magnitude larger than high sec (except commerce of course)

The entire premise of what you have just delivered rests on the truth that something is inherently broken. First of all, nothing is "inherently" broken. Things break. When fabricated (implemented), they were "working as intended", because that was what was made available. It was designed that way..

And the weakest non argument yet out of our friendly neighborhood pedant who thinks he's a word smith.

You know that this is a LIE. You know very well thatyou can make far far more isk per hour in 0.0. THe only place in high sec where you do near that level of isk per our is incursions. but those you cannot just get home and spend 30 mintues doing it. You need to get on wait list and wait for 2 hours before you start doing money.


If 0.0 is so much less productive than high sec? Why you guys fich so many wars for the income resources of 0.0?


SImplyu, this is a #!@#!@ excuse. 0.0 income is still 2-3 orders of magnitude larger than high sec (except commerce of course)

Cornered?

I'm disappointed. I thought you'd keep it going.

It was fun while it lasted.

I generally like your posting and agree with some things you say. But this time you really missed the mark and looked like a bit of a fool.

Its the fact that over the last decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its income and we are now at the point where high sec offers much better income. This latest nerf is simply making the problem even worse. There is no reason at all to run anoms over high sec level 4s.

mate, look the bounties in nullsec are far far higher in nullsec than lowsec or highsec.

I think you may be confusing the difference in bounties between different ships with some assumed difference between sec levels.

The latter does not exist; the former does.

Not sure what your actual point is.

You know there's a pretty huge issue when

Goonswarm Federation
Mordus Angels
Fatal Ascension
Razor Alliance
Li3 Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Space Monkey's Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Black Legion
Nulli Secunda
Against All Authorities
Darkness of Despair
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
The Initiative.
Brothers of Tangra
Fidelas Constans
Gentleman's Agreement
Solar Fleet
Circle of Two
The Kadeshi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Spaceship Samurai
Executive Outcomes


all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid.

Somebody at CCP who isn't SoniClover needs to address this issue. The ESS sucks. If you put it into the game, people are going to riot and then leave.

I love how, with one forum post, someone believes they speak for thousands of players who are all in agreement.

It's an unnecessary risk though in which it's considerably easier to lose more than you stand to gain when you try to take advantage of it. At the very least the amount put at risk should be the same as what you stand to gain and furthermore probably shouldn't be a defacto loss for not participating.

Lore wise it still doesn't make sense to me.

I mean logically you would think concord would be happy capsuleers were roughing up pirates where they live rather than letting them build strength and further disrupt the empires.

but you can't deploy them in high sec...

Not sure what your actual point is. The fact is a BS rat bounty in nullsec for example is far higher than in high or nullsec. The sec status is not relevant per say as its relative to how eve works whether in high/low/null. Bounty gets higher the lower the sec level becomes. so in a 1.0 system it will be lower than a 0.5 system relatively speaking but thats still in the high sec band. You would be hard pressed to find a 1.85Mill BS rat in highsec

But i do agree actual anom rats bounties in nullsec is wrong, they should be the same as the belt rat bounties, otherwise why bother. Unless your thinking about getting the juicy BPC or goodies at the end of the DED anomoly which then may balance it out a bit. However normal anoms dont give juicy goodies at the end of it and the bounties are still crap so they should raise them to be the same as the belt rats imo if they want to introduce the ESS

I can't believe this *E-peen* measuring contest thread is already 11 pages long.