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CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 8919	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:11:00 - [1] - Quote I expect this will be the long thread Hello again! This thread will cover the overhaul to Omnidirectional Tracking Links that we are planning for Rubicon 1.1 in conjunction with the Overheating Iterations. I advise reading the Heat Iterations post before this one. TL:DR is that we are making Omnidirectional Tracking Links work like Tracking Computers. They will become active modules that can be scripted and overheated, and their bonuses will be as strong as equivalent Tracking Computers. The fact that this decreases the overall power of Omnis (especially for gaining optimal range) is intended. Sentry drones are obviously one of the more discussed weapon systems in the EVE community right now. This is not the only change we will ever make to drone mechanics, but it is a change we believe will improve the game balance. Sentries are a weapon system with strong upsides and strong downsides, which is one of the best things about them from a design perspective. We do not want to homogenize them with other weapon systems. The downsides of Sentries, foremost of which are immobility and destructibility, require the weapon system to have strong upsides as compensation. However we believe that the best primary method to balance the upsides of Sentry Drones is through the drones themselves, rather than by giving them access to a weapon upgrade that is so clearly superior to competing modules. The results of this change for Omni balance are that pilots will now need to choose between having excellent range bonuses and excellent tracking bonuses. Like Tracking Computers Omnis will now provide stronger bonuses to tracking than to range. Omnis will now provide a bonus to falloff instead of just optimal range, for the first time increasing the utility of sentry falloff in people's value judgements. The Omnis will keep their same fitting requirements (a bit higher than TCs), will have a 10s duration, and will enjoy significantly lower cap use compared to Tracking Computers. They will use exactly the same scripts as Tracking Computers and Remote Tracking Computers. We believe that with these changes Sentry Drones will still be very viable and popular weapon systems, and that the results will be a better set of choices for players to make when fitting and flying. As I said above, these are not the only changes that we will ever make to Sentry Drones, so to assume that this means we won't be willing to touch them again sometime in the future would be a mistake. These changes will be live on SISI very soon for your testing, and we as always thank you in advance for your constructive and useful feedback. Thanks! Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Vinyl 41 Perkone Academy 15	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:16:00 - [2] - Quote quick question will those now be stacking penalized with drone rigs ? yes / no ?

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 8919	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:17:00 - [3] - Quote Vinyl 41 wrote: quick question will those now be stacking penalized with drone rigs ? yes / no ? Yes Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Frantico Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 20	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:21:00 - [4] - Quote Nvm
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 173	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:22:00 - [5] - Quote Glad to see some attention is being paid to the incongruent parts of drone damage application. Thanks for the update. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1080	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:27:00 - [6] - Quote I jsu think it will make the current problem WORSE> because now with trackign scripts the thing will track even BETTER. I think the range and track bonus should be inverted inrelation to the track comptuer ones. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
MissBolyai Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 65	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:27:00 - [7] - Quote DBRB - 1 Grath - 0
Jack bubu GK inc. Pandemic Legion 520	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:29:00 - [8] - Quote so 10% boost to either range or tracking, i like that ty raivi you have been a good asset to us once again ))
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2856	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:30:00 - [9] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: I jsu think it will make the current problem WORSE> because now with trackign scripts the thing will track even BETTER. I think the range and track bonus should be inverted inrelation to the track comptuer ones. But they have to pick range or tracking, not both. Granted, range will be the no-brainer nine times out of ten because sentries already track better than guns at almost any given range, but that's a separate issue. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Jack bubu GK inc. Pandemic Legion 520	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:32:00 - [10] - Quote Does this mean the Omnis now also get a falloff bonus?
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1080	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:34:00 - [11] - Quote mynnna wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: I jsu think it will make the current problem WORSE> because now with trackign scripts the thing will track even BETTER. I think the range and track bonus should be inverted inrelation to the track comptuer ones. But they have to pick range or tracking, not both. Granted, range will be the no-brainer nine times out of ten because sentries already track better than guns at almost any given range, but that's a separate issue. The problem I see is. Gardes + Dominix + 3 Omni with track scripts will track even more. They are going to be insanely effective at murdering small stuff. I think BOTH bonuses of the module should be 15-20% when scripted. 30% will be too much for tracking and will tip the balance TOO MUCH in favor of dominix forces. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1080	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:35:00 - [12] - Quote Jack bubu wrote: so 10% boost to either range or tracking, i like that ty raivi you have been a good asset to us once again )) no.. its " ike Tracking Computers Omnis will now provide stronger bonuses to tracking than to range." that measn 30% to tracking!! They will track MORE than now. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 173	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:35:00 - [13] - Quote After carefully choosing I have selected a youtube appropriate for this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIbEj1CIpuU This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 838	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:40:00 - [14] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: I jsu think it will make the current problem WORSE> because now with trackign scripts the thing will track even BETTER. This. So true. Sentries have INSANE tracking already. The concept was good, but its application will be bad. This is what happens when trying to rebalance the whole drone thing one bit at a time. G££ <= Me
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 1174	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:44:00 - [15] - Quote exact values plz :) We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :) Banner was used for this Post
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 44	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:48:00 - [16] - Quote Yes, please make Sentries track better, it's not like we are killing Interceptors with Battleships already.
Diivil Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation 231	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote Funny thing is that sentry drones don't actually even need to omnidirectionals to shoot to what is generally considered max range for most carrier fleets for example. They have 105km drone control range and T2 bouncer has 60+42km range without a single omnidirectional. So if scripted tracking value is better than what the current omnis have, what this change seems to end up being is a buff to non-sniping drone doctrines because now they can increase tracking if they want. And the tracking is already pretty insane.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6093	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:50:00 - [18] - Quote Gilbaron wrote: exact values plz :) He said them: exactly the same as the same meta tracking computer. "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
darius mclever 59	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:52:00 - [19] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Yes, please make Sentries track better, it's not like we are killing Interceptors with Battleships already. which really begs the question as Fozzie nerfed all the base stats in preparation of the heat changes. (see capital turrets) maybe tracking and range bonuses for drones boats should be nerfed as well to balance out with those new changes?
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2117	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:54:00 - [20] - Quote You should consider dropping the tracking bonus from the Dominix and then bringing the optimal bonus back up to 10% per level. Novis Initiis is Recruting-á --á Ideas for Drone Improvement
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 486	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:54:00 - [21] - Quote Approved. Please remove drone assist and make faction non-officer DDAs.
Kat Ayclism Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 195	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:00:00 - [22] - Quote Completely fair changes. You guys were cautioned on how ridiculous these were compared to their turret equivalents, glad you finally caught up with your user feedback... long after implementing them.
Warde Guildencrantz TunDraGon Backseat Promises 992	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:01:00 - [23] - Quote as long as my ishtar can volley with bouncers from 150k still, okay
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda 1174	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:02:00 - [24] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Gilbaron wrote: exact values plz :) He said them: exactly the same as the same meta tracking computer. cap use is missing ;) We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :) Banner was used for this Post
Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society 246	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:04:00 - [25] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Gilbaron wrote: exact values plz :) He said them: exactly the same as the same meta tracking computer. So.. - 25% optimal, 25% tracking turns to either - 7.5% optimal, 15% falloff, 15% tracking - 15% optimal, 30% falloff - 30% tracking Correct? So the range difference depends on the optimal vs. falloff now. On first glance It looks like a buff for Bouncers and okay for the rest. Ofc you can overheat now, so there's that.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1676	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:11:00 - [26] - Quote So we can ecpect a low slot addition too right? If omni are now on par with tc we need a te eq There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Tiberu Stundrif Repercussus RAZOR Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:13:00 - [27] - Quote I was worried that you guys would nerf them too hard, but I am quite please with these changes.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 8934	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:14:00 - [28] - Quote Gilbaron wrote: Weaselior wrote: Gilbaron wrote: exact values plz :) He said them: exactly the same as the same meta tracking computer. cap use is missing ;) Good point. It's 4 cap per activation (10s activation) I updated the OP with it. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/


CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 8934	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:16:00 - [29] - Quote Sephira Galamore wrote: Weaselior wrote: Gilbaron wrote: exact values plz :) He said them: exactly the same as the same meta tracking computer. So.. - 25% optimal, 25% tracking turns to either - 7.5% optimal, 15% falloff, 15% tracking - 15% optimal, 30% falloff - 30% tracking Correct? So the range difference depends on the optimal vs. falloff now. On first glance It looks like a buff for Bouncers and okay for the rest. Ofc you can overheat now, so there's that. This is correct for Tech 2. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Diivil Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation 231	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:17:00 - [30] - Quote Sephira Galamore wrote: Weaselior wrote: Gilbaron wrote: exact values plz :) He said them: exactly the same as the same meta tracking computer. So.. - 25% optimal, 25% tracking turns to either - 7.5% optimal, 15% falloff, 15% tracking - 15% optimal, 30% falloff - 30% tracking Correct? So the range difference depends on the optimal vs. falloff now. On first glance It looks like a buff for Bouncers and okay for the rest. Ofc you can overheat now, so there's that. Should be a nerf to drone sniping and pretty much a buff to close range fighting from what I can understand.

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