He better get a ******* medal for having the balls to call bullshit as it is. But keep trying to be edgy bro, you'll get it on day.

Ripard, you done good.

Huh. Mynna is talking now.

I wonder if Mittens will have anything to say.

Hi everyone,

I've been staying out of this thread partially because I've already given my opinions on this matter on my blog, partially to let players hash it out without it becoming about me, and partially because I have a damn hard time following EVE-O forum threads because of the way the software is designed.

I do have to say that I'm utterly stunned at the size of this thread. Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening. I also want to stress right out front that I am not anti-scam, anti-suicide gank, anti-non-consensual PvP, or anti-gray areas in EVE. I am for all of these things and anyone who tells you different is lying or wrong.

But there are limits. And Erotica 1 and his "agents" have crossed them.

I want to thank everyone who sent me e-mails or EVE mails in support of my blog post. My position on this matter remains unchanged. Erotica 1 and his "agents" have no place in the EVE Online community. This isn't about scamming people. Scamming people is fine and I have no problem with it. But in the bonus room, in ten minutes the scam is OVER. The scammers have won. It's the other 135 or more minutes that I object to. Why do they have to prolong this sick, reprehensible behavior to these lengths? Why do they have to do it to dozens or hundreds of people? Why do they have to train a small army of people to do it? When is enough enough?

I feel CCP should permaban Erotica 1 and seize all of his assets to send a clear and strong message that this kind of activity will simply not be tolerated in the EVE Online community. Then turn on his "agents": temp bans, asset seizures, and negative ISK balances there. The agents will be simple enough to track down: pull Erotica 1's wallet. Assume everyone who sends him a large amount of ISK is a victim. Investigate contracts created by those victims. Anyone to whom a contract is sent is a target to be investigated.

Again, this isn't about the scams. Scams are fine. This is about sick, reprehensible behavior and psychological harassment of CCP's customers. CCP has the right to protect their customers and decide what is and what is not acceptable behavior in New Eden. CCP: please make it clear for EVE's second decade that this kind of thing is simply unacceptable in our community.

That's all. Thanks again to everyone involved in this discussion! I'm glad it's taking place. I'll continue to try to keep up as best I can.

I agree with the sentiment; a line was crossed.

I worry about the consequences of a ban, in terms of precedent and rules changes/clarifications.

doubtful. You would get more out of watching congress for an afternoon.

You're a weasel and a grass. You should be removed as csm and given a temp ban for dragging other players into the public light, namely Sohkar and his racist ranting and racial abuse of another Eve player. Whatever happens out of this, if Ero gets it, you and Sokhar had better bloody well get it too.

[:)

But why not? You have a self-contained community group. Members of the group are expressing opinions about a controversy about the accepted mores of the group. And to express one's opinion, one has to be a verified member of the community group. Or at least an alt of a verified member of the group. You get bonus points on your thesis for addressing the "multiple voices for one member via alts) issue.

At the 46 min 17 sec mark the victim was asked to put mayo in his mouth and dribble some down his chin.

There was no request to smear mayo on himself in that particular recording that I heard.

Not approving of it (I've made my strong thoughts on the whole mayo and photos issue clear elsewhere) but where facts can be used we should probably try to use them.

I agree. Erotica 1 is obviously a "sociopathic and terrible human" being for asking people to read Wikipedia pages... but deep inside some people are bitter, seething, hateful bigots. Erotica 1 exposed such a bigot, and pushed him that much closer to leaving EVE, if he hasn't already.

And for that I am thankful for Erotica 1. EVE does not need bigots.

Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm.

Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm. Which, like you highsec pubbies love to trot out whenever you can't factually counter an argument in favor of nerfing highsec, directly damages CCP's revenues.

But why not? You have a self-contained community group. Members of the group are expressing opinions about a controversy about the accepted mores of the group. And to express one's opinion, one has to be a verified member of the community group. Or at least an alt of a verified member of the group. You get bonus points on your thesis for addressing the uniquely internet-culture "multiple voices for one member via alts" issue.

Are goons anti-free speech now?

At 47:55 in this clip, Erotica 1 says, "Would you also be able to with mayonnaise spell Erotica 1 on your chest, please?" This is after asking the guy to find a camera.

For highsec pubbies, hell yes.

If we assume the whole conversation happened ingame, what was broken in the EULA? Please show me the paragraph(s) explaining.

You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.

Too bad.

I was hoping for a challenge to the authenticity.

Erotica 1/Beancounter Jaynara posting about other activities (to link the two people together)

The first post, bragging about almost getting someone to smear themselves in mayo.
The second post, proudly sharing the pics of someone's girlfriend.

Section 6, Part A "Specifically Restricted Conduct", Section 5.

For highsec pubbies, hell yes.

Its a private company, free speech does not apply and libel isn't protected under free speech.

Example A.

Pretty sure that doesn't cover anything that happened.

With revelations coming from the Goonswarm camp about further sociopathic and sadistic behaviour of E1 and Co, its even more clear that what they do is nothing short of emotional ****.

They are online predators looking for vulnerable handicapped people to cyber-bully, plain and simple.

What they do is IDENTICAL to a gang of rapists intentionally drugging and then taking somewhere and raping some poor girl at a party. The end result for the victim is the same - emotional damage that cannot be healed.

Nothing they say or do justifies our community's tolerance of such heinous behaviour.

BAN THEM ALL.

Yet I and many others don't give two tugs of a dead dog's **** you think pubbies can't speak.

We speak.

We continue to speak.

We won't stop.

Deal with it.

P.S. -2edgy4mebro

They are online predators looking for vulnerable handicapped people to cyber-bully, plain and simple.

What they do is IDENTICAL to a gang of rapists intentionally drugging and then taking somewhere and raping some poor girl at a party. The end result for the victim is the same - emotional damage that cannot be healed.

BAN THEM ALL.

You do know that Ripard is not a hisec pubbie, right?


Do you think that private companies benefit from censoring customers?