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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5326
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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Just as a recap. Did anyone else notice that of the 'two sides' in this discussion, only members of one side have advocated real world violence, real world out of game prosecution for something about as serious as a 1984esque prank call, and bans for someone playing in time honored (and advertised) fashion.
I just can't help but think of this video as I read this thread. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1436
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote: I'm Catholic, ...
MRW I learn that Erotica 1 is a Catholic school girl.
Just really wish I hadn't listened to the soundcloud recording. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:Quote:then he should have removed himself from the situation I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might. I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same. a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same. a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement. A lot of people didn't have an issue with slavery. Some did. Some people took notice of that. I don't really want to be drawn into real life examples as it achieves nothing. Simply to say people's opinions are worthless because you disagree with them is....shortsighted.
then i suggest you stay away from irrelevant anecdotes and stick to the facts of the situation.
the fact of the situation is as follows; he was one keystroke from removing himself from the situation and turning a 1.5 hour teamspeak session in to a non-event. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
665
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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I actually found this to be a more compelling article, at a minimum a counterpoint to Ripard Tegs carebear-stroking one.
Would you like to know more? |

Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:Quote:then he should have removed himself from the situation I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might. I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same. a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same. a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement.
By the same logic, a lot of people believe in gay rights, sexual equality and racial equality; doesn't make them wrong either. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4493
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:But we must admit, if you did press charges, wouldn't it be rather awkward to explain what you were doing and why at the time you got threatened? I'd hate to be on a witness stand with that story and a jury of people who live in the "real world" is not going to see any victims at the point where all the facts are known. IF it was me, I think the awkward part would be the fact that I wouldn't be able to give the testimony without giggling. People these days have no appreciation of the absurd, least of all judges I imagine. Pesky "contempt" laws.
Once I said things in a jury pool that I had to leave town for a while over.
Kind of like this? Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Winchester Steele
495
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:07:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:I've developed an opinion that all the perps should be identified at hardware and geological location. Ban all their hardware and of course their accounts. I'd say a crime has been committed so forward the soundbites to the players local authorities and if there is anything going on in the local playgrounds or family disputes they know right where to go. Let them know what exists in their own midst. Anything less is irresponsible as a priest or doctor not stopping personal harm that they have heard about. CCP does not and cannot guarantee privacy for criminal acts.
We can't let this knowingly go on, certainly to condone it is to assist in later abuses. To even have heard this psychological dehumanization going on outside of a war theater, and even within, has made me less human.
Hey. This is the forums not 'Days of our Lives'. Why don't you tone down the melodrama a bit. It makes you look like a moron. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |

Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
515
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:08:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Brusanan wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Again: how much isk was scammed out of that guy? Only about 1.1 billion. EDIT: Also, he wasn't scammed. He quit the bonus round and forfeited his ISK. and what is his name in game? The blog, completenwith article and recording is linked in the very first post.
You can find the name there. |

Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
413
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:08:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:1984esque prank call 1984 was a book about the absolute bottom of human social behavior and manipulation.
Maybe choose a different metaphor to make your particular case. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:09:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Jayem See wrote:Quote:then he should have removed himself from the situation I agree - but you have to remember some people don't react how you and I might. I think it was taken too far - a lot of people seem to feel the same. a person thinks homosexuals are an abomination and shouldn't exist - a lot of people seem to feel the same. a lot of people feeling the same doesn't make them correct, or worthy of acknowledgement. By the same logic, a lot of people believe in gay rights, sexual equality and racial equality; doesn't make them wrong either.
exactly it's a ****** logic and we should stick to discussing the facts of the situation. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5326
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:09:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
But we must admit, if you did press charges, wouldn't it be rather awkward to explain what you were doing and why at the time you got threatened? I'd hate to be on a witness stand with that story and a jury of people who live in the "real world" is not going to see any victims at the point where all the facts are known.
If in some wild future that this goes to court, I just hope the judge allows the camera to focus on the faces of the black jurors in the jury box as the recording is played 
Erotica1, not guilty by reason of the other dudes insanity. Case closed. |

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:10:00 -
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Well yeah, I think he goes way over the line of decent behavior. Having said that: how bloody stupid do you have to be to engage in his bonus room thingy?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2527
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:10:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:1984esque prank call 1984 was a book about the absolute bottom of human social behavior and manipulation. Maybe choose a different metaphor to make your particular case.
It was also a year
Some good Eurythmics songs were released in it
Infact it was a damn fine year, as years go
EDIT: SPOOKY! It was the year EvE ancestor Elite was released! Oooooo... *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
222
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:10:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:I have no idea how this can be defended. It's abhorrent.
Not the scamming part, but the part where someones IRL suffering becomes your purpose.
Yet so many tolerate this in lesser form through griefing and ganking. It is a difference of magnitude I agree, but it is done for the same purpose. |

Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
413
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the fact of the situation is as follows; he was one keystroke from removing himself from the situation and turning a 1.5 hour teamspeak session in to a non-event. Do you attribute this to his lack of awareness or Erotica1's skill at manipulation?
"Shouldn't have worn that dress" They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |

Winchester Steele
495
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:11:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcanis wrote:So what you're saying is that you don't care what damage is caused to CCP or EVE as long as you can get someone you don't like banned. That's not at all what I said. I don't have an opinion on Erotica1. I just read the blog post, and then pages of hurfblurf outrage here. People want to ostracize someone to correct this behavior? The simplest way is to go after CCP's wallet and reputation. What's wow is a living breathing strawman elected to the CSM.
Personal attacks on Ripard Teg are not warranted. You should apologize (even though it is true). This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5326
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:11:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:1984esque prank call 1984 was a book about the absolute bottom of human social behavior and manipulation. Maybe choose a different metaphor to make your particular case.
The YEAR 1984 wasn't a book, it was a year before most people had the internet and did prank calls on telephones, like I did when i was 10....in 1984.... |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4512
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:11:00 -
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Wesley Otsdarva wrote:http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/
So here goes for news coverage.
This can only bring more players to EVE. Let's test it with a 21 day buddy invite on that page. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Jayem See
Perkone Caldari State
2450
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:13:00 -
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Quote:then i suggest you stay away from irrelevant anecdotes and stick to the facts of the situation.
the fact of the situation is as follows; he was one keystroke from removing himself from the situation and turning a 1.5 hour teamspeak session in to a non-event.
As stated before. Not everyone reacts in the same way. I don't need to argue with you. My issue is not with you.
My issue is with the length of time it went on, the obvious pleasure that was derived from someone else's discomfort and the lack of recognition from the protaganist that it had gone far enough.
When you tie that in to how it will (or won't) affect CCP's reputation I think it is a bad thing. It was just too much.
They can act on it or not - that's up to them. I'll be watching with interest. Aaaaaaand relax. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:13:00 -
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Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Well yeah, I think he goes way over the line of decent behavior. Having said that: how bloody stupid do you have to be to engage in his bonus room thingy?
general consensus so far is: bordering on mental instability. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1438
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:13:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Scamming is a part of Eve. Making people sing songs, quote poetry, or whatever is also a part of Eve. Not honoring ransoms, also a part of Eve. Are you trying to claim there was no harassment of this guy going on for 2 hours?
Yes. He willingly sent Erotica 1 isk to double. Willingly entered the "Bonus Room". Willingly logged into Teamspeak (I think he even had to willingly install Teamspeak first). He willingly contracted all his assests to strangers. He willingly sang songs and willingly read wikipedia entries. He could have chosen at any time to not do any of that, or he could have left at ANY time. Frankly, I'd expect "harassment" to be at least slightly non-consensual.
Instead he made real life death threats and used racial slurs multiple times over a video game. I honestly can't see how anyone could even defend him. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:14:00 -
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All the tears in this thread are simply delicious but lets keep a frame of reference to this entire topic.
Eve is a cold harsh game hands down.
So some guy got scammed for a bil or so. Who cares. Quite literally people get scammed every single day in jita amarr null ect. Does anyone or anything happen about it? No of course not because human nature is to be cruel, twisted and decisive.
It takes 1 person to reset sov for an alliance and literally destroy ten's of thousands of man hours that thousands of people have contributed towards. Just one person can wreck the gameplay of an entire alliance. Hundreds of billions are lost overnight when these resets occur.
And your all crying about one scrub that got scammed in or out of game. WHO CARES!
Who cares if Erotica scammed someone. In the grand scheme of things Eve will live on. Real eve politics will continue to prevail. It sounds like people are out on a witch hunt to hang the scammer when in reality the victim is a moron who had to learn a hard lesson. People lose their prized ships the 'hard way' all the time because they are new to the game or don't understand the mechanics. The victim in this case had to learn the hard way over a measly 1 bil. Get real people. The audio for this whole ordeal should how's just how cold and calculating Erotica and his band is. They are not to be trifled with after this am I right?
Now here's my personal troll.
ERTOICA1 for CSM!!!! |

Pew Terror
Green Associates TITANS.
162
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:14:00 -
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Sometimes when i walk by a homeless person near the mall and notice they are pretty weak I just start kicking them in the chins and take their quarters. Then I laugh at them when they tear up realizing that they will have to starve the next few days.
Yeah, preying on the weak and defenseless makes me a pretty hilarious dude! |

Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
515
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Well yeah, I think he goes way over the line of decent behavior. Having said that: how bloody stupid do you have to be to engage in his bonus room thingy?
general consensus so far is: bordering on mental instability.
Yes, which is part of the mechanic of selection of victims for extortion/ransom used in this activity. |

Klarion Sythis
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
248
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:15:00 -
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This is a subject wrapped up in personal views and all I can do is express my own.
In context, I do not scam or grief nor do I care when others do. It's income, emergent gameplay, and usually harmless.
This, on the other hand, is a player using EVE Online as a vehicle for harassing people out of game for non-game related reasons. Stole his assets? Fine. The humiliation and harassment are not. It's not about the game anymore. I believe CCP should draw a line here and ban erotica for using their game to bring real life harm to others.
Those defending this action should step back and be concerned for what this game's culture has done to you. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3097
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:15:00 -
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That was the funniest, most entertaining and insightful EvE related recording I've listened to in years.
Erotica 1 has my vote for CSM.

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Dave Stark
4577
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:15:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the fact of the situation is as follows; he was one keystroke from removing himself from the situation and turning a 1.5 hour teamspeak session in to a non-event. Do you attribute this to his lack of awareness or Erotica1's skill at manipulation? "Shouldn't have worn that dress"
no. |

ShipSpin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:16:00 -
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Batelle wrote:ShipSpin wrote:Harassment is a real world crime regardless of where it happens. True, but unless erotica1 et al dox the guy and start calling him, emailing him, contacting his friends & family, or otherwise defame him, its still not harassment. Getting **** on via a consensual phone call that you've consented to have recorded is not harassment.
That is not true and here's why, see the bold sections.
Quote: -º 11.443 Harassment. A person commits a petty misdemeanor if, with purpose to harass another, he or she: (a) Makes a telephone call without purpose or legitimate communication; or (b) Insults, taunts or challenges another in a manner likely to provoke violent or disorderly response; or (c) Makes repeated communications anonymously or at extremely inconvenient hours, or in offensively coarse language; or (d) Subjects another to an offensive touching; or (e) Engages in any other course of alarming conduct serving no legitimate purpose.
It does not matter that the participant engaged in a consensual conversation and/or agreed to being recorded. It does not even matter that erotica1 didn't call/email/etc. the participant as well. They deliberately elicited a 'violent or disorderly response' through their continued efforts (which most definitely falls under taunting/challenging). The second bold part can be applied as well when, in this case, the participant's wife then became involved. However, since I haven't listened to the full recording I can't say for sure, it may be more difficult to prove that they were engaging what would be considered 'alarming conduct', but it certainly had no legitimate purpose. |

Dave Stark
4577
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:17:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Well yeah, I think he goes way over the line of decent behavior. Having said that: how bloody stupid do you have to be to engage in his bonus room thingy?
general consensus so far is: bordering on mental instability. Yes, which is part of the mechanic of selection of victims for extortion/ransom used in this OUT OF GAME activity.
where does that show up on the show info tab on a pilot's information? pray tell. |

Dave Stark
4577
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:17:00 -
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completely misread that. |
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