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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:44:00 -
[2521] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:
No, if the actions had been confined to in game scamming, you might be correct in blaming the victim for being a fool.
But when these actions go so far afoul of any kind of human decency, and he has demonstrated time and again his willingness to cross them... No we are dealing with the same kind of 'blame the victim' mentality that is personified by people without morals.
No, mate.... you are a tool and an assclown. You are using sensationalist arguments designed to demonize your opponent by comparing them to something truly heinous, because you have nothing else to say to back up your original claims.
I swear, Godwin should have extended his law to a lot more than just referencing some short angry Austrian dude.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
4637
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:46:00 -
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Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
660
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:46:00 -
[2523] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Oh God, ask me in a 3 page thread, not 125 lol
The question remains unanswered.
Let me refresh your memory:
Big Lynx wrote:Fourth attempt:
Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
864
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:47:00 -
[2524] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:The funny thing is I already gave the very answers they seek, just a few pages back. Where is it? You have not answered it. If you claim otherwise you would seem to be having an imaginary conversation. Nowhere here in this thread have you answered it. Believe me, I know. I've been here from the start.
There's a couple of long posts a few pages back. Somewhere around 2350 or something like that I think.
Probably easier to check Ero's post history.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2813
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:48:00 -
[2525] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:
Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'
You should try reading what I said, because that is not what I said at all. As for pedophilia, it can't be consensual because children aren't consenting adults, as defined by law.
You really need to stop dribbling strawmen and maybe go smoke a bud or something, dude. Can't do any more damage to your brain at this stage.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
PinkPanter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:48:00 -
[2526] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:PinkPanter wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I am a CEO of a CODEdot corporation who requires Code compliancy in the bonus rounds, which are being called all sorts terrible names right now, yet you have clear and irrefutable evidence linked by me of thousands of hateful, racist, and otherwise vile comments throw around.
The only misdirection is away from your witch hunt and toward the heart of the matter. Haha. You got what you wished for. And just because now you are carefully posting doesn't make you a nice or good person. The more I read your posts the more I'm convinced you do have some sort of issues especially that after failed attempts to derail the thread now you went onto counter offensive instead of just saying **** sorry I went too far. Too late for that though. Just pray that somebody doesn't have too much time on his hands to actually go on a crusade to make your life similar to what you do to your victims but in RL this time. ugh, more veiled threats.
You have real issues with differentiating facts from your tunnel vision rainbow world.
I'm not threating you. I just want CCP to get rid of people that push others to a point in which they break because this is a VIDEO GAME not a fishing lake for people with the sole intent of harassing/bullying others in a thought out manner to avoid CCPs ban hammer.
If this would stay in game I wouldn't say **** but you made it where it is now and sometimes there's just too much water in that glass.
I know what you are desperately trying to do now and many people in your current position would do same but denial isn't constructive nor allows you to evolve.
Step back and actually try to see what people are saying without being butthurt by literally a consequence of your own actions. |
Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:48:00 -
[2527] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh
I have seen you post many times in the past contradictory to this statement of being gentle and kind.
I can claim to be 7ft 9 blue and live on the moon does not make it accurate or true
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
864
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:49:00 -
[2528] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'
None of this belongs in this thread or on this forum at all.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:49:00 -
[2529] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Tell me, does the whole pandering to radical feminism ever actually work to get you laid?
No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid.
Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco.
I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Kyperion
138
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:50:00 -
[2530] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh
Attempting to rationalize your depravity behind walls of ignorance.... Not fooling anyone but yourself.
Go look in the mirror for a long time when you get up.
Determine if you want to be an authentic genuine human being, or continue wallowing in filth. |
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2813
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:50:00 -
[2531] - Quote
PinkPanter wrote:
You have real issues with differentiating facts from your tunnel vision rainbow world.
I know what you are desperately trying to do now and many people in your current position would do same but denial isn't constructive nor allows you to evolve.
Step back and actually try to see what people are saying without being butthurt by literally a consequence to your own actions.
So many words, so little point or meaning in them. It's almost like trying to read something by John Bunyan.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2813
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:51:00 -
[2532] - Quote
Kyperion wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh Attempting to rationalize your depravity behind walls of ignorance.... Not fooling anyone but yourself.
Pot, meet kettle.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5033
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:52:00 -
[2533] - Quote
Does anyone else find it ironic that Erotica 1 on the one hand claims that anyone can search the Internet to find out how the Bonus Room works (thus ignorance is no excuse), but on the other hand "conveniently" didn't know that he needed an up-to-date passport to be part of CSM, even though the requirement is spelled out in the publicly available application criteria for the last three CSMs?
I knew this, and I'm just a hi sec carebear.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Nijaza
Empire of the Forsaken
The Empire of Byzantium
7
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:53:00 -
[2534] - Quote
I just read the blog, listened to the soundcloud thing, and just wanted to say this.
This is a game about spaceships and the people that fly them.
That "bonus room" **** is not EVE. Regardless of whether or not Erotica succeeded in getting all that guy's stuff or not, its clear they they did it for "lols". Scamming is a part of EVE. Doing things for "lols' is also a big part. But that "bonus room" crap isn't. This is a sandbox, not some twisted mental Teamspeak S & M chamber.
It's people like that ( as well as the dumb!@#s who fall for their crap) that really **** me off. Id like to see them try that kinda stuff in RL in some of the places where I have lived, they would have gotten messed up, bad.
Honestly, its not funny and heres why. Clearly EVE can be a bigger part in some peoples lives then others. This guy lost all his stuff and he freaked out about it. Manipulating him so you can laugh a couple times is wrong. Its ugly. It casts a ugly shadow on this game.
While CCP builds some monument in Iceland, they tolerate this kinda crap. The sandbox argument is weak. Yes, the guy was an idiot to hand over his API, his stuff, yadayada, but the manipulation of him is whats the problem here. What if something worse happened. What if he was mentally unstable and hurt himself or others? Its easy to write that off as over the top, but stranger stuff has happened from much less pressure.
THE SIMPLE FACT THAT HE POSTED THIS FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, a kind of Look at me action, is enough reason to take reasonable actions against his account. We learn these lessons in kindergarten, just because we are all now old dorks flying spaceships, with lives, families, RL obligations, DOES NOT mean those lessons should be disregarded. I know Eve is not the friendliest gaming environment, I know its not a kindergarten classroom. Its also not real. AT ALL. The people playing it are.
As a community, we should decide whether THIS kind of crap is ok or not ok. Unfortunately, I believe that the attention this thread, ripard teg's blog, even my post here has brought to Eroitica1 is undeserving. However it felt wrong to not say anything about this.
If nothing else, always remember: You have to work to get what you want. Handouts always have a catch.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2813
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:53:00 -
[2535] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
Tell me, does the whole pandering to radical feminism ever actually work to get you laid?
No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid. Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco. I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women.
I think we just had a bonding moment, Jarod...
I'm scared.
Hold me?
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Big Lynx
The Gun Runners
Space Warriors
264
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:54:00 -
[2536] - Quote
My closing comment:
id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:
For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.
1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this.
2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary".
3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.
Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.
closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you. |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
943
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:54:00 -
[2537] - Quote
Alright, I have given up on trying to catch up with this one. Sorry, I just don't have the stamina to read 120-odd pages of forum nonsense posted in less than a day. Nevertheless, I will have my say.
I can't really claim to know Erotica 1 well, but I have chatted with him from time to time and always found him to be friendly and helpful. I have never sat in on a bonus room round, mainly because I know them to be 2-4 hour ordeals, and my game time is so limited that I prefer to spend it blapping people's imaginary spaceships. I have listened to snippets of recorded bonus rounds, and chuckled at them, comfortable in the knowledge that everyone involved is a consenting adult.
The alleged "victims" can simply choose to shut down the computer and go outside for some fresh air and exercise at any point. I know that's what I would do in their shoes. If they do choose to participate, they have nothing to lose but a few hours of their time, and a bit of imaginary play money. If they choose to stick it out, and aren't afraid to be a little silly, they can even potentially win a large sum of equally worthless imaginary Spacebucks.
I will say this about Erotica 1. He has never called me the n-word, nor any other racial, ethnic, or religious slur. Nor has any other member of the Minerbumping or Belligerent Undesirables communities. Nor has Erotica 1 ever threatened to hunt me down in real life, or to hunt down members of my family. From my acquaintance with him, I don't believe that it would ever occur to him that it might be acceptable to do these things.
Yet since I made the decision about a year ago to play this role-playing game as a criminal character, and took up suicide ganking, scamming, miner extortion, wardecs, and corporate infiltration, I have been called racial, ethnic, religious, and homophobic slurs almost daily. I have been called names that would not be acceptable in any context, except perhaps a *** rally. My life and that of my family has been threatened on several occasions. And who are the people engaging in this appalling behavior? Not I, not Erotica 1, not any in-game scoundrel who enjoys blapping carebears. No, it is the carebears themselves, a number of whom have even posted damning personal attacks in this thread, as if they had any moral high ground to stand on.
www.everevolutionaryfront.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
864
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:54:00 -
[2538] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Pot, meet kettle.
Mate. At the moment this thread is just going straight back down the rabbit hole of personal attacks it was in earlier.
Is it possible to just not respond and let some of the heat go out?
Let people vent and hopefully the thread will be locked soon. However keeping the attack/counter-attack process going isn't productive or helpful to anyone.
It takes 2 sides to keep arguing, but only 1 to stop.
eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2817
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:55:00 -
[2539] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:My closing comment:
id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:
For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.
1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this.
2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary".
3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.
Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.
closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you.
Because Evenews24 says it so it must be true.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
430
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:55:00 -
[2540] - Quote
Fyi , **** and torture comparisons are completely and utterly ridiculous and offensive.
Seriously get your **** together with this.
It's a game, I know a couple of victims, thies comparisons deminish the severity of both and loose the community respect by the letter.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |
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Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:56:00 -
[2541] - Quote
embrel wrote:
So, basically you do that for the good of the world and not once for a single second you had any fun doing it, did you. Cause you for sure do not feel fun when idiots reveal themselves as such.
No, I do not believe that.
You don't have to believe it, but you should be consistent if you wish to be taken seriously. Many Eve players have fun besting other Eve players at Eve and at Eve's metagame. Vile Rat is venerated, and rightly so, for his social engineering skills in the nullsec metagame as much as his being a good person. Ero is one of Eve's best social engineers in the highsec metagame, and in my limited experience seems a decent person in RL. What's the difference?
Face it, you feel sorry for Sohkar because he got really mad on Soundcloud, and Ripard poked your moral panic button because rather than being an ebil rich BoB person, he was a sweet innocent carebear bigot. I was a bit sorry for Sohkar too, and had I been there may have suggested to Ero to can the bonus round once it emerged that Sohkar was an Air Traffic Controller overdue on his statutory sleep requirement. But then Sohkar started with the all too common racism, abuse and real world threats, and everyone with a shred of decency lost all sympathy for him.
Remember that unstable bigots get really mad about many things that 99% of others don't; and it is not the fault of the person who makes the assumption that they are a stable, consenting adult playing a multiplayer online game for adults where human interaction is inevitable and dystopia is celebrated. |
Kyperion
143
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:56:00 -
[2542] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Big Lynx wrote:My closing comment:
id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:
For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.
1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this.
2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary".
3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.
Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.
closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you. Because Evenews24 says it so it must be true.
Attacking the source because you cannot defend your position |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
1422
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:57:00 -
[2543] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
Tell me, does the whole pandering to radical feminism ever actually work to get you laid?
No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid. Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco. I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women. I think we just had a bonding moment, Jarod... I'm scared. Hold me?
Male bonding isn't scary, and it's supposed to be done with pints of brown ale, not hugs. :p
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2817
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:57:00 -
[2544] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Pot, meet kettle. Mate. At the moment this thread is just going straight back down the rabbit hole of personal attacks it was in earlier. Is it possible to just not respond and let some of the heat go out? Let people vent and hopefully the thread will be locked soon. However keeping the attack/counter-attack process going isn't productive or helpful to anyone. It takes 2 sides to keep arguing, but only 1 to stop.
I'm doing them a service by informing them of their stupidity. If they can handle the criticism, they will then go on to improve themselves and become persons of merit rather than mouth froth. It's a vital service that I quite enjoy providing.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
662
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:57:00 -
[2545] - Quote
Despite being asked 10 times in total by myself and others of where her magical mystery answer is, Erotica1 has not answered or pointed to where her answer is.
Big Lynx wrote:
Fourth attempt:
Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far?
This is very dishonest behavior from someone touting to claim to be coming out clean.
There is no answer provided by her to that question, anywhere in this thread.
Furthermore she has deliberately ignored and evaded it, which is extremely disrespectful conduct, especially when the question was presented in respectful and constructive manner, even in its repetitions.
Choosing instead to retire from the thread, after a sequence of transparent evasions and misdirections, rather than answer a simply question that was presented to her in a respectable fashion.
So yeah, her true nature begins to show. Not such a shiny varnish anymore. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1619
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:58:00 -
[2546] - Quote
Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it.
Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it.
Aren't you all justifying ******? 
[edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word? 
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2817
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:58:00 -
[2547] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
Tell me, does the whole pandering to radical feminism ever actually work to get you laid?
No, mate, it doesn't, and that's hilarious. We call them "manginas", and real feminists think they're stupid. Of course, real feminists also think extreme feminists are batcrap loco. I dig humanism. Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I shouldn't care about women's issues.... but it also shouldn't mean I think I'm superior to women. I think we just had a bonding moment, Jarod... I'm scared. Hold me? Male bonding isn't scary, and it's supposed to be done with pints of brown ale, not hugs. :p
****, you're General Tso's alliance. I always get along with you guys. It was one of you that gifted me with my first ever ship loss in EVE Online. Why aren't Tso's and RIGID friends yet? I'm gonna have to talk to Ed about this.
Also, beers are on me if I ever make it to fanfest.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
536
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:58:00 -
[2548] - Quote
Is it telling that the vast majority of the insults and pseudo psychology are being tossed out by the side trying to claim the moral high ground??
Irony, not just something that happens in a blacksmiths.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Sturmwolke
525
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:58:00 -
[2549] - Quote
I'll just leave this here.
Pay attention to 1 
THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)
1 Glibness/superficial charm
2 Grandiose sense of self-worth
3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4 Pathological lying
5 Cunning/manipulative
6 Lack of remorse or guilt
7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions]
8 Callous/lack of empathy
9 Parasitic lifestyle
10 Poor behavioural controls
11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour
12 Early behaviour problems
13 Lack of realistic long-term goals
14 Impulsivity
15 Irresponsibility
16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17 Many short term marital relationships
18 Juvenile delinquency
19 Revocation of conditional release
20 Criminal versatility
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
217
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Posted - 2014.03.26 11:59:00 -
[2550] - Quote
After over 120 pages I got few points I want to make.
First of all let's take a step back and think what's make Eve > Eve and why people play this game over other games.
Many would argue that "Sandbox" features and Social aspect are what makes it but I'll argue that they are not.
There are probably loads of other games out there (video games or not) which allows you to scam people and take their stuff, hell Even while playing monopoly I used to scam people with "sweet" deals in order to take their money but what do we have here that other games don't?
First Eve Online is an online universe which runs on single server for over 10 years. People forget that investing time in video games can be an emotional thing and you get attached to your fruits of labor as that is your hobby.
I played number of online games but so far only Eve Online (as far as I can tell) will still be here so even when I take a break I can come back exactly to where I left it at.
Secondly Eve is HUGE Space society simulator, what other games have such a huge universe to explore and how many of those are actually in space?
Next is the complexity of things, from training skills to using stuff in the proper way it's not simple ! Let's say I found some nice peace of item I want to sell in other games I would have just sold it on general in game eBay but here from contracts through regional markets and considering reprocessing vs selling vs keeping it while waiting for future patch to change the economy each and every thing is complex enough to keep you interested.
Game is also ever expanding with more expansions packs adding new activities and systems to it, one can never try the full extent of the game with 1 character and that's such an amazing thing people probably don't thing about, I've played other games where I've experienced full game's content in less then 3 months :X
And one of the most important thing is PLEX, on one hand you can use extra unused in game currency t purchase 30 days sub from other players on the other hand if u need some more isks just purchase a plex and sell it for in game currency, this is an ingenious system which many other games lacks or do terribly.
Considering all of those we get the skeleton of Eve Online as a game and why some people would like to play this game over others. Now to the soul of it or what people call "Emergent Gameplay".
In Eve people can abuse the system to do whatever they want within the limitations of the game, which is pretty amazing. Add some RP into it and you get some sick sick things which many people didn't even thought about like corporation spies, suicide gankers, pirates and more. What's common to all of those things are that they takes place within the game and uses the game mechanics.
Now Let's go back to the issue at hand,
I personally find "New Order" thingy an Emergent gameplay... nice RP, decent use of game mechanics and spicing up the mining market in highsec. I personally DO NOT find what we've seen here with Erotica 1 recording as an emergent gameplay or any kind of gameplay at all.
Scamming with doubling scam is pretty much ok by me and I'm sure it's ok by many other eve players as it cleans the gene pool from those born less fortunate but the moment the "Bonus Room" game moved from Eve Client into Teamspeak and the conversation was recorded it's plain sick behavior because the thing here was not an actual gameplay within Eve as a game it was a psychological game on some other method of communication, Worst of it they actually made fun and laughed on that poor not so smart pleb, where is the sporting spirit?
When a ganker tries to gank me and fails we cheer at each other keeping it civil and preparing for the next round learning from it so next time will be more challenging for both parties, When I once tried to gank miners (Boring as it was) I even bought my target new mining ship instead of the one I've blown.... overall you took his stuff and made fun of him after that.
Question is how exactly doing what's done makes it part of Eve Online game? You only met the guy there and once you took all of his stuff everything moved into TS, on same level you could have done this on any other game or even just at random forum or Facebook group or something.
For me it's down to what kind of person are you, we are playing in this online game which allows many activities which are not available in other places.... But even while shooting other people or when other people shoots at me I keep it civil and I do not humiliate people or makes fun of them. There is a line not to be crossed as person to person and in the action displayed here that line was (by my opinion) crossed.
"What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what."
--áAaron Birch |
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