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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:53:00 -
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Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit, piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.03.28 12:55:00 -
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Please feel free to discuss this statement in this thread, however please also be aware of the forum rules, and our rules on discussion of warnings and bans.
Above all, lets keep it civil and constructive.
Thanks again.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Giovanni erkelens2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:01:00 -
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bullshit |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:01:00 -
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So has the EULA actually changed at all?
Oh god. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:01:00 -
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Just so it's easily viewable:
SOHKAR TALKS WITH EROTICA 1: http://www.twitch.tv/kristallnachte/b/514883838
That MAY require some skipping forward.
Good job CCP! This is a solid nonstatement on the matter =P |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:03:00 -
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As per the invitation in the previous thread to continue some lines of enquiry that are relevant to the above post, I would like to continue the discussion I was having with Salvos Rhoska
Ramona McCandless wrote: "But would you be ok if CCP made its decisions based on customer opinion if that opinion was not coming from the majority?"
Salvos Rhoska wrote: "Whether I would be ok with it or not, would depend entirely on whether I think the decision is good or not, from my personal perspective. Not on whether it is coming from a majority.
Wouldn't you? I mean lets not dance around the issue here."
Im not trying to avoid the issue, but yes I would have a major problem with any decision that was made (and lets be specific here) on an in-game issue (Gankery, Corp theft, AWOXing, taunting, RP of acts of depravity etc) because only 10 people say found it reprehensible.
Basically, this is not an issue of morals as a black and white compass, but how many people have to be offended before some one is removed from the game (which was your original point, as far as I could understand)? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:03:00 -
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So move along pretty much.
Ok.
Watch my accounts.
Later.
*** not a rage quit. Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with. |
Giovanni erkelens2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:03:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:So has the EULA actually changed at all?
no. |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
70
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:04:00 -
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As long as Erotica isn't getting away with this without consequences. I am a happy camper.
Even more happier that it is now very crystal clear to everyone that what occurred is not tolerated by CCP.
Thank you very much CCP, faith restored. |
Anomaly One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:04:00 -
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sooo.. nothing?
\o/ Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk |
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:04:00 -
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I'd have done it very similarly were I in CCP's shoes. So, no disagreement from here.
In my interpretation of that crystal-clear statement (...), bonus rooms are basically still allowed, however, they are a walk on the line, so that there's an incentive not to exaggerate. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:05:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:So has the EULA actually changed at all?
"In accordance with our existing Terms of Service". Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:05:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Shill blurt
Keep on shillin Imma link this thread when some poor critter temporarily off his meds gets taken to a TS channel and hazed to the point of homicide.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:05:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:As long as Erotica isn't getting away with this without consequences. I am a happy camper.
Even more happier that it is now very crystal clear to everyone that what occurred is not tolerated by CCP.
Thank you very much CCP, faith restored.
CCP Falcon wrote:
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3042
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:06:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:So move along pretty much.
Ok.
Watch my accounts.
Later.
*** not a rage quit. Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with. Bye bye, don't forget to drop off your stuff in the bonus room on your way out. Oh god. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:06:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:As long as Erotica isn't getting away with this without consequences. I am a happy camper.
Even more happier that it is now very crystal clear to everyone that what occurred is not tolerated by CCP.
Thank you very much CCP, faith restored.
Read more closely.
Cases of real life harassment are not accepted and will be investigated.
This is something EVERYBODY is in favor of.
What was never stated is whether they think the Sohkar situation counts as harassment, and MANY people don't think it does. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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Hey, didn't Infinity Ziona promise to unsub all his alts and biomass his main if there wasn't a policy change? Anyone else remember that? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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Hi Falcon!
I have a question for you. I brought this one up specifically in the megathread, so here we go:
Will CCP be applying it's EULA with regards to off-EVE systems. Example: Teamspeak, blogs, Skype, things of that nature.
I'm asking not so much due to the current case, but out of concern that nefarious people may decide to pretend to be someone they wish banned, off of CCP system.
Again, example. Person who hates LAF registers the blog "I_Am_LAF.com". Proceeds to write awful things, violate EULA, and other assorted bad things. Joins random voice comms under my name and spews RL harassment. Would I need to worry about that when it comes to my own account? Thanks in advance! The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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Thank you CCP, as well as CSM who have been involved with representing the communities interests on this, for this clear and strong statement.
Lets all hope there are as few cases as possible of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against players in the outside world, so that all of us have more levity for content and enjoying the game, without everyone having to be suffer more restrictions necessary only due to the extraordinary detrimental actions of a few bad apples. -----For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in his Bonus Room potentially constitutes torture----- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219 |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Kristalll wrote:Shill blurt Keep on shillin Imma link this thread when some poor critter temporarily off his meds gets taken to a TS channel and hazed to the point of homicide.
And it would be his fault for not taking his meds as he was ordered by his physician. CRAZY PEOPLE ARE CRAZY how do we have anything to do with that?
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Tore Vest
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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Thank you CCP No troll. |
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
- The EVE Universe Community Team
That means int he case of Erotica and co? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5584
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:07:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:So move along pretty much.
Ok.
Watch my accounts.
Later.
*** not a rage quit. Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.
Holla at ya. Don't forget to tell us how many accounts so I know how many new accounts to sub to compensate. |
Siegfried Cohenberg
Schlomos Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:08:00 -
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you know im pretty sad that that threadnaught got closed before it reached 400 pages someone offered a 100m prize to the first post on that page D: |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:As long as Erotica isn't getting away with this without consequences. I am a happy camper.
Even more happier that it is now very crystal clear to everyone that what occurred is not tolerated by CCP.
Thank you very much CCP, faith restored. Read more closely. Cases of real life harassment are not accepted and will be investigated. This is something EVERYBODY is in favor of. What was never stated is whether they think the Sohkar situation counts as harassment, and MANY people don't think it does.
You talking about the "MANY" Erotica alts and fan boys?.... yeah of course. But whatever, no need to waste my time here any more. |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote: Bye bye, don't forget to drop off your stuff in the bonus room on your way out.
Please. You think i'm 10 or something lol?
Oh wait. Eve is your life so...
haha
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5584
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hey, didn't Infinity Ziona promise to unsub all his alts and biomass his main if there wasn't a policy change? Anyone else remember that?
I do, but I suspect it'll just be 2009 all over again. |
Jagoff Haverford
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 -
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Gotta be honest. I can't tell what the hell this "announcement" is saying. Sure, harassment in "real life" is a bad thing. But I can't even tell, after reading this masterpiece of double-speak, if the Erotica 1/Sokhar incident is or is not considered harassment in "real life".
I know that everyone who has anchored themselves to either side of the debate will probably spend the next 150 pages debating that the current incident does and does not qualify. But I don't really care what a bunch of internet lawyer space nerds have to say on the matter. I do care, however, what CCPs decision is.
And at the moment, I don't have the foggiest notion what that decision may be. I knew that I probably wouldn't agree with all of CCP's decisions on this matter, but I never imagined that I would be simply unable to determine what those decisions were. |
Regis Solo
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:As long as Erotica isn't getting away with this without consequences. I am a happy camper.
Even more happier that it is now very crystal clear to everyone that what occurred is not tolerated by CCP.
Thank you very much CCP, faith restored. Read more closely. Cases of real life harassment are not accepted and will be investigated. This is something EVERYBODY is in favor of. What was never stated is whether they think the Sohkar situation counts as harassment, and MANY people don't think it does.
And it also means this gaming community has reached new levels of depravity. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3132
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Posted - 2014.03.28 13:09:00 -
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All I know is, I'm not buckling up for another few hundred pages of mouth frothing qq'ing. Thank you, CCP, for stating what we already knew and 100% support. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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