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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
812
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 -
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Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:20:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kristalll wrote:Is there a part of the Bonus Room you would change to improve it? Hire me as a consultant and I'll plug all the loopholes, add some style and ensure there is never again any cause for concern about possible CCP intervention.
I'd need an example of your good work first. Possibly a resume.
FULL DISCLOSURE ON THE BONUS ROOM http://podborn.com/community/psychopaths-guide-to-the-bonus-room |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3051
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:20:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ever notice how slow a thread moves when all leave but few mewling hangers-on that turn it into a circle jerk? Mr Epeen No that's what it looks like when several dozens of people are forced to swallow their pride simultaneously. Some hang around to save face (and act like winning wasn't their agenda anyway), others just slink away quietly and hope everyone else forgets they ever said anything.
Oh god. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:21:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Do you have any self respect? I have plenty. Thanks! Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally. I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********. I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards. Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad!
It's not what I think of your opinion that matters. It's that your 'opinion' is delivered with such vitriol. It's obviously intended as an attempt to cause butthurt. What makes you think someone being a 'wizard' (whatever the hell that means) would be cause to feel butthurt? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Salvos Rhoska
846
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:21:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:I'd need an example of your good work first. Possibly a resume. I'd think my fine work in the threadnaught provides ample proof of my capacity to deliver on my promises. ------------ |
Kirsi Kirjasto
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
57
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:23:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game.
I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this. |
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries Northern Associates.
66
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:23:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Easiest way to prevent real life harassment: Don't be a corp thief, don't AWOX.
Not saying you shouldn't do those ever, but if they know any of your info someone might get ideas. (i've heard people joke around about sending this guy that stole stuff from one of my old corps hatemail/weird stuff in the mail, or possibly flame him on facebook)
http://themittani.com/features/did-cfc-just-win-eve
"why did he post that?" you may ask... Simple: If such a thing really does come to pass, corp theft and awoxing is likely going to be EVE's best hope of bringing that group down. Just like it did with BoB.
The fact that a weapon can be used against you isn't a good reason for advocating its removal from the game; You may wish you had it available to use on someone else someday. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3051
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:23:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Cedric deBouilard wrote:so... did Erotica 1 got banned or not?
I couldn't get anything from out of CCP corporate-speech Just add him to your watch list and see if he stops logging in.
Well one of the previous posts suggests he can't log in so I guess his account is suspended pending investigation (probably due to thousands of petitions from overreacting time-wasters). I doubt he'll be away too long.
Oh god. |
Wulfy Johnson
NorCorp Security
35
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:24:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team
Gf all, but ccp, i seem to be missing a statment on abuse.. Besides that, thanx. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:26:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Anslo wrote: Not enough edge brah. Try harder.
What's an 'edge brah'? Is it one of those new hipster trends? Come back to Bleak Lands and i'll tell you. Haven't seen you since you ran from system as soon as I showed up in local.
Ran from? I was only there chasing a Stabber that was trying to get away because he failed to kite me, gave the pilot a 'good fight' in local after finishing him off in my Worm, and then you raged at me. Didn't even know you were there til you spoke up and told me to get lost after I was nothing but polite to you. I had no reason to stick around after killing the Stabber, and I didn't expect you'd be able to put up enough of a fight to stick around for one so, I didn't. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Lachra
Union of Labor
52
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:26:00 -
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This action sends out a clear message, as does the outcry and the volume of commentary on the subject from the EVE community. CCP has responded promptly and succinctly to the subject, and although they cannot specifically comment on individual actions, this should not be taken as inactivity on the matter. My thanks to CCP for their recognition of the issue, and to the individuals brave enough to raise this issue to mass awareness - you have all made New Eden a less trashy place. |
fudface
ACME-INC
28
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:26:00 -
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Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this.
from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in.
+1 CCP
looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
205
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I have yet to see Erotica1 tell us he'd have a good laugh and someone being assaulted.
He is a sadistic sociopath, of course he would. "If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."-á --á James 315 - aka - the miner bumper |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
2338
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:27:00 -
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Thank you CCP. I'm glad that you have established this policy, though I am curious how far they will enforce it. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3190
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:28:00 -
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Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I have yet to see Erotica1 tell us he'd have a good laugh and someone being assaulted. He is a sadistic sociopath, of course he would.
That's an assumption based on an presumed but not demonstrable premise. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
510
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:28:00 -
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Jagoff Haverford wrote:And at the moment, I don't have the foggiest notion what that decision may be. I knew that I probably wouldn't agree with all of CCP's decisions on this matter, but I never imagined that I would be simply unable to determine what those decisions were. It's just spin. It's what I would have written if my boss asked me to make some sort of announcement without saying anything definitive or tangible. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
48
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:29:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:So move along pretty much.
Ok.
Watch my accounts.
Later.
*** not a rage quit. Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.
Can I have your stuff? |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:30:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Do you have any self respect? I have plenty. Thanks! Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally. I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********. I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards. Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad! It's not what I think of your opinion that matters. It's that your 'opinion' is delivered with such vitriol. It's obviously intended as an attempt to cause butthurt. What makes you think someone being a 'wizard' (whatever the hell that means) would be cause to feel butthurt?
Wait, do you mean he is deliberately harassing you in an attempt to get a reaction? Do you feel he is mentally pressuring you and insulting your feelings?
I think that might be Torture bro (as defined by amnesty internation, of course) |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
510
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:30:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hi, Lady Areola Fappington
The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service. This short paragraph says more than the OP did.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2824
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:32:00 -
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Well at least it's clear now. If anyone does anything you don't like in game, post a ticket with tears, tell them you are feeling upset and demand the other party be instantly banned. If they aren't going to draw lines, and are going to arbitrarily ban people, then we shouldn't assume line ans should report any time something happens in game that we dislike, right? We don't want to assume that it was all find and then later realise it was harassment all along. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2824
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Do you have any self respect? I have plenty. Thanks! Are you a wizard? You seem to be taking this very personally. I think the Bonus Room design is pants-on-head ********. I think its designers are obviously an elite and select group of 30lvl wizards. Thats my opinion. If you don't like it, too bad! It's not what I think of your opinion that matters. It's that your 'opinion' is delivered with such vitriol. It's obviously intended as an attempt to cause butthurt. What makes you think someone being a 'wizard' (whatever the hell that means) would be cause to feel butthurt? Wait, do you mean he is deliberately harassing you in an attempt to get a reaction? Do you feel he is mentally pressuring you and insulting your feelings? I think that might be Torture bro (as defined by amnesty internation, of course) Agreed, report him for harassment. Even if you don't think this is harassment, we do so you should report it. That's how it works right?
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3051
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 -
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fudface wrote:Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Thanks CCP and I hope you never do take the sand box out of the game. I'm waiting for Erotica 1 to post before I assume this. from what i saw of that imgur link that was posted he cant log in. +1 CCP looks like there is a limit to what you can get away with.
Accounts are always suspended when they're under investigation so gg Ripar Teg for using your position to prevent another player from being able to play eve. I think there's something in the EULA about that too.
Oh god. |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
368
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 -
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Just a thought ....
Are there any plans to issue the OP as a press release to the gaming media?
I'm thinking it might alleviate some of the fears many potential customers have expressed in comments, on various gaming news sites, in relation to the latest cyberbullying event. |
Talia Prime
Imperial Militia
9
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:35:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote: So why reply. makes you feel special for calling people out as "attention seekers" lol? Or you want to get a lot of "likes" for being awesome? Also attention seeking is a interesting term. My life is pretty ******* awesome and I'm here to play a game. Don't like things so I move on. So explain that term to me again cause I'm genuinely confused what are you referring to. I simply said I will do that if we are left dark again so just confirming my word for CCP to acknowledge it.
Hold on, you're claiming you're selling your character and quitting because of the lack of action by CCP over this matter. Yet your character was up for sale before the main thread in GD and even before Jester made his blog post........ |
Anslo
Scope Works
4609
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:35:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: I didn't think you would put up enough of a fight to stick around for one so, I didn't. MUH SIDES
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4549
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:35:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Good post, but I'd like a clarification on "disciplinary action against game accounts". Does this constitute all known accounts held by the player? or just a single account? There's no single rule for that, it's always a case by case decision based on internal guidelines and precedents.
Ok you see something right there that I must point out.
The people who would have the most trouble with "case by case" would be my fellow Americans. You see the non-education system is full of people who set out to destroy the jury system. The original jury system in America had the "power" to "judge both the case and the law". This meant that the jury has (or had, before everybody was convinced otherwise) the ability to say that in a specific case the law may or may not apply or that the actions of a defendant or belligerence of a plaintiff are justified or not.
This is gone now. America is all about "min max" to ensure a system of control. Hence our prisons are filled with people incarcerated for years over victimless crimes because of "mandatory sentencing" and that judges give juries "rules" to follow. If an educated juror informs the judge that these rules hold no weight, the juror gets kicked out at least or charged for contempt at worst. (and I've been thrown out of juries for bringing this up - it's the BEST way to avoid jury duty: by sticking up for the jury system in our corrupt courts)
So, anything that's considered "case by case" in American culture causes people to go into seething rages because the first thing they think of is the "all white jury" concept, which they were indoctrinated into living in fear of in school. They were never told that in these past cases of "all white juries" it was in fact a deconstruction of the original intent of the jury system, NOT a problem they need to be brainlessly twitter hashtaging about.
For that matter, a jury of one's peers was denied but in the railing against this implanted fear, a jury of one's peers is exactly what ends up being denied to many defendants.
(the same trendy sort falling into this trap would use the word "irony" at this point).
But the bottom line is that the best justice is in fact resting on the judgment of a specific case and the rules involved PER THE CASE. We have had decades of "because of this ruling then, therefore the ruling has to be that now or else everybody is a racist/bigot/homophobe if they don't agree" and now our prisons are overcrowded (and full of the very people that these ideals claim to protect. ).
So to see that CCP goes on a case by case basis is a good thing, which as owners of this content they also have every right to do no matter how many agendized players rail against it on the forums.
Hopefully my fellow Americans can embrace this concept as it was in the foundation of our jury system long ago.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5523
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:35:00 -
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Well from the well thought out statements made by CCP, "personally" I believe the following example gives a pretty good idea of where the line is drawn.
Not allowed: Using EVE to relentlessly harass a character in game for the sake of harassment, beyond all normal standards justifiable in game action. in other words, blow him up repeatedly during a war dec as opposed to singling out 1 guy and following him where ever he goes for an extended period of time to kill him for no justifiable in game reason.
Acquiring and using real life information to contact or harass the person in real life, or to make real life threats against them while in game. This would include contacting them on the phone, mail, or in person... or circulating their contact information.
In both of these cases you cannot get away from the person doing the harassment.
Allowed: All the normal in game scamming, drawing the line at extorting real life currency from a victim.
Giving people a hard time in chat or verbally where their anonymity is still preserved, including inviting a person to your own TS server for the purposes of giving them a hard time.
In both of these examples the person is participating voluntarily, and can disengage from the situation at any time. Of course, they might have lost some ISK (or pride) before they make that decision.
I could easily be off base, but that's my sense of it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:36:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Well at least it's clear now. If anyone does anything you don't like in game, post a ticket with tears, tell them you are feeling upset and demand the other party be instantly banned. If they aren't going to draw lines, and are going to arbitrarily ban people, then we shouldn't assume line ans should report any time something happens in game that we dislike, right? We don't want to assume that it was all find and then later realise it was harassment all along.
This very may well devolve into a new FLOOD of petitions linking all kinds of things. FC's freak out in comms and a spy will send it to CCP and say "Shadoo was berating this young FC in comms in front of everyone! The young FC had to just take it or risk being kicked out of the corp!"
At least in THAT case Shadoo did something mean. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3053
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:36:00 -
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Talia Prime wrote:PinkPanter wrote: So why reply. makes you feel special for calling people out as "attention seekers" lol? Or you want to get a lot of "likes" for being awesome? Also attention seeking is a interesting term. My life is pretty ******* awesome and I'm here to play a game. Don't like things so I move on. So explain that term to me again cause I'm genuinely confused what are you referring to. I simply said I will do that if we are left dark again so just confirming my word for CCP to acknowledge it.
Hold on, you're claiming you're selling your character and quitting because of the lack of action by CCP over this matter. Yet your character was up for sale before the main thread in GD and even before Jester made his blog post........
lol...
Oh god. |
Kaius Fero
12
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Posted - 2014.03.28 17:36:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I have refrained from public comment on this issue because of all the ongoing CSM/CCP consultations, but now that CCP has issued their statement, I feel it is only appropriate to give my perspective.
Lying, cheating, general douchebaggery and the harvesting of tears are all part of the "sandbox" that is the game of EVE Online.
But that said, all of us have a responsibility to recognize when a fellow player is starting to lose emotional control -- when things stop being a game -- and respond in a humane manner. And deliberately trying to induce and deepen that loss of control is reprehensible conduct that should shock and dismay the vast majority of the community.
So the tl/dr for me is: Feel free be a douchebag inside the sandbox, but if you kick the sand outside of the sandbox, don't be surprised if CCP kicks you out of the sandbox as well.
Stuff like losing your sh*t on comms and bitching out the people in your fleet is not something I would worry about. Nor is making people sing for their ship.
But if you make someone sing for their ship and then sadistically wratchet up the psychological pressure until they are a total wreck, then you're a real-life scumbag, and I won't shed a tear if CCP decides they no longer care to do business with you. Huh.. so this is official now? EVE is the game where you can learn how to scam, be a douche and overall learn how to ruin other peoples day? Well, then I call it an educational game and maybe it should be allowed to be played in prisons too. Also no court should be allowed to condemn an EVE player.. they learned all these skills in the game and it took years of training... they are heroes after all. Wonder how come no somalians play the game yet... |
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