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Anslo
Scope Works
4607
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:25:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote:Marcia en Welle wrote:PinkPanter wrote:Marcia en Welle wrote: Bye then. Although I seriously doubt you will actually quit, seems more like an attention seeking move to me.
Also, it is quite pathetic and self important of you to think that anyone really cares about whether you decide to quit or not.
If you are going to go, then go with at least a modicum of decency and without mouthing off and making threats on the forum. If enough people follow your move, then CCP will take notice when subscription numbers drop. Although I doubt that will happen.
Also. +1 for CCP statement. I don't really care what happened to Erotica, I didn't even both to listen to that audio. The main thing is the policy is correct and CCP implement it as they see fit.
So why reply. makes you feel special for calling people out as "attention seekers" lol? Or you want to get a lot of "likes" for being awesome? Also attention seeking is a interesting term. My life is pretty ******* awesome and I'm here to play a game. Don't like things so I move on. So explain that term to me again cause I'm genuinely confused what are you referring to. I simply said I will do that if we are left dark again so just confirming my word for CCP to acknowledge it. People who feel the need to make threats about cancelling their accounts, (it is still a threat right now as you haven't actually done it yet), also obviously feel that their opinion and support is so important to the rest of us that they need to announce it on the forums. Sounds like something that a self important kind of fool would say to me. As is someone announcing how awesome their life is on a forum when no one really cares and it is not relevant to the discussion. Haha threats? What's wrong with you? Go take some meds haha A threat differs from a statement but I guess they didn't teach you that in school. Wonders of eve community. I have to say that as I will miss people like you. Complete morons who think a game means something more than just entertainment. I like those people though. They fuel my games as well with their undying loyalty to pixels :) Pinky, evemail or gmail me. I need your help something fierce. Things have changed since you last saw Scope Fleet.
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:26:00 -
[152] - Quote
Marcia en Welle wrote: Heh. Now it becomes clear that we are dealing with a 12 year old. Wait until you are a bit older and you might look back and understand what I said.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense now. Your wisdom and words loaded with merit will for ever stay in my mind and guide me through the depths of intelectual pursuit for the ultimate answer about my life.
hahahahaha |

Salvos Rhoska
843
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:27:00 -
[153] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:I said I'd have a drink with you.
I would gladly have a drink and a laugh with any other participant of the threadnaught, including Erotica1, except you.
No way, no how. ------------ |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3163
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:27:00 -
[154] - Quote
Marcia en Welle wrote:Now it becomes clear that we are dealing with a 12 year old. Wait until you are a bit older and you might look back and understand what I said.
That's not clear at all. Do you have a copy of this person's birth certificate? Maturity isn't defined by physical age, not is it defined by someone else's opinion, and nor is it attached with a tag identifying how or why it matters or is relevant. I've been quite immature in many places on this thread, and I'm proud that for thirty years old, I haven't lost my ability to act like a child at times. I don't agree with almost anything PinkPanter has said over the last few days, and I've argued strongly against it on many occasions, but I defend her right to be immature, and to have and express her opinion, even if it's an emotionally charged and therefore irrelevant and biased one. What I don't defend are either of you just bickering for its own sake. You're just as bad as each other in that regard. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
719
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:27:00 -
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CCP,
I am the arbiter of punishments for Goonswarm Federation. Occasionally people do some dumb **** with our infrastructure and require some discipline. Are you saying I will get in trouble if I continue to make these people read erotic My Little Pony fanfiction over mumble and then record it and put it on youtube?
Thanks in advance,
Aryndel Vyst Authorization Director GoonWaffe GoonSwarm Federation Office: VFK-IV |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5595
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:28:00 -
[156] - Quote
OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote: EROTICAL EROTICA1LS
WTF is wrong here? Why did I get a boner reading these words? I need a cold shower now.
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Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
95
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:29:00 -
[157] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team
So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices.
If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3163
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:29:00 -
[158] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:OUTLAW RIOT P0LICE wrote: EROTICAL EROTICA1LS WTF is wrong here? Why did I get a boner reading these words? I need a cold shower now.
He got my name wrong earlier. Called me Steve.
CLEARLY my name is Kenny Loggins. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Bunnie Hop
517
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:31:00 -
[159] - Quote
So the same people who argued in the other thread are now bringing it to this thread...lovely. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3163
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:31:00 -
[160] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I said I'd have a drink with you. I would gladly have a drink and a laugh with any other participant of the threadnaught, including Erotica1, except you. No way, no how.
Your loss. Pretty sure Ero will be drinking with me as well though so.... looks like you have a dilemma on your hands. Maybe you should stop taking things so personally. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5595
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:33:00 -
[161] - Quote
Coffee Rocks wrote:
I do feel bad about one thing: we could have used that threadnaught to discuss how this entire underlying subject (harassment, abuse, and belittlement of fellow players) effects each of us in the long run in the realm of New Eden
Called it.
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Muestereate
Minions LLC
257
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:35:00 -
[162] - Quote
not enough sunlight and inbreeding, Its like Deliverance on that rock of theirs. Now squeal like a pig boy |

Salvos Rhoska
843
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:36:00 -
[163] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Your loss. I dont think so. ------------ |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2734
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:36:00 -
[164] - Quote
My eroticals hurt *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3163
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:37:00 -
[165] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Your loss. I dont think so.
That's because you don't know what you're missing out on. In your case, ignorance really is bliss.
You know, even though you've stated you'd refuse to drink with me, I'd still let you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Kristalll
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:37:00 -
[166] - Quote
Kethry Avenger wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices. If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories.
Not a SINGLE person has said you can harass people. Where you seem to be caught up in the retoric is ASSUMING any harassment happened in the Sohkar case, when objective evidence says the opposite.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1537
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:38:00 -
[167] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:CCP,
I am the arbiter of punishments for Goonswarm Federation. Occasionally people do some dumb **** with our infrastructure and require some discipline. Are you saying I will get in trouble if I continue to make these people read erotic My Little Pony fanfiction over mumble and then record it and put it on youtube?
Thanks in advance,
Aryndel Vyst Authorization Director GoonWaffe GoonSwarm Federation Office: VFK-IV
That would be a solid and authentic "maybe", Commissar. It all depends on if your subject feels harassed. Our you do. Or a random blogger.
Aside from all that, I hear you're a good source for erotic MLP fanfics. Tell me more.... The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5595
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:39:00 -
[168] - Quote
Kethry Avenger wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices. If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories.
Translation : get rid of people I don't like or lose my 15bux times however many accounts!
I once told a beautiful woman I dated who I thought was spending too much time with her business partner dude something similar: It's either him or me, CHOOSE!! I hear her and her husband/business partner (and her new girlfriend who is half Brazilian/half French) are very happy now all living together....... I've learned to stfu now.
Door is that way ----> |

Tyburn Stannis
Xenon Salvage Inc.
118
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:39:00 -
[169] - Quote
Oh great, another imminent threadnaught of people too busy waving placards to understand two basic principles of online games.
CCP will never make a definitive list of what is or is not harassment, griefing, exploits etc... because a) every case is different, and b) don't ever lock yourself into arbitrary precedents.
CCP will never tell you what actions they have or have not taken against any particular pilot, corporation, alliance, account or player. Confidentiality. It's a thing.
Good few folks round here need to the keyboard down and step away from the internet...
It's sunny outside. See ya.
o/
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2944
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:40:00 -
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I had to read CCP's statement twice, but here's what I got from it:
We've been dealing with these kinds of incidents for 10 years already. We're not going to change any rules or the general asshat nature of the game. Feel free to be as mean and evil as always-- ingame. But-- Harassing people in real life is morally bad, and we don't approve. If we hear of a notorious or extraordinary case of it, we will take disciplinary action against player accounts.
Seems like business as usual to me. The only meat I see in that was the company took the stance that "real life harassment is morally reprehensible." That's something. Some people here might rage quit over that statement, if they notice it. |
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3163
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:41:00 -
[171] - Quote
Tyburn Stannis wrote:Oh great, another imminent threadnaught of people too busy waving placards to understand two basic principles of online games.
CCP will never make a definitive list of what is or is not harassment, griefing, exploits etc... because a) every case is different, and b) don't ever lock yourself into arbitrary precedents.
CCP will never tell you what actions they have or have not taken against any particular pilot, corporation, alliance, account or player. Confidentiality. It's a thing.
Good few folks round here need to the keyboard down and step away from the internet...
It's sunny outside. See ya.
o/
Not here it's not. The sun went down five hours ago. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2877
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:41:00 -
[172] - Quote
Kethry Avenger wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team So in a hypothetical situation where you are able to scam someone of all their in-game assets(which is totally fine). If after accomplishing this fact you use their greed, and sense of helplessness and the emotional value those assets have to them to harass and humiliate a player for 2 hours, including harassing other people in the room , then post this online, and link to it. That person would be permanently banned from this community and game correct? With some level of punishment including up to and including permanent bans for any accomplices. If that was the case I could continue to play this game with a clear conscience. If that was not the case and this hypothetical person was ever seen in game again. I'm not sure I could support CCP with my income, no matter how much I enjoy the game and its stories.
Asking someone to sing songs to get isk for in a single two hour session is not "harassment" or "humiliation". It's silly nonsense - perhaps a bit mean, if it's done tauntingly, but it's not harassment or abuse.
Hope this helps :)
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Salvos Rhoska
843
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:42:00 -
[173] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:That's because you don't know what you're missing out on I know exactly. I dont drink or associate with a person like you. I wouldnt even give you the time of day.
Thats that. ------------ |

Qalix
Long Jump.
235
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:43:00 -
[174] - Quote
This was handled much like the Somer Blink issue was handled. A vague response that hits everyone's sweet spot (harassment is bad; evil is good), but makes no real claims or promises, and then a withdrawal into silence. Sigh. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3164
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:48:00 -
[175] - Quote
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:That's because you don't know what you're missing out on I know exactly. I dont drink or associate with a person like you. I wouldnt even give you the time of day. Thats that.
But you don't know me, so you don't know what you're missing out on.
I would certainly rather get to know you before making judgements on what 'type' of person you are. Isn't that the rational way to form judgements? Or is jumping to conclusions the preferred course of action here? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

tasman devil
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:49:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hello everyone,
For the last few weeks the community has been debating the topic of real life harassment, and its connection to the EVE Universe. The EVE Universe Community Team has been working on this issue for some time now, and has had extensive discussions about it with your elected representatives, the Council of Stellar Management.
EVE is a virtual world whose inhabitants have more freedom to play the villain and experiment with various backhanded tactics than in any other MMO. The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world.
While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, CCP strongly disapproves of clear and extraordinary levels of real life harassment against our players in the outside world.
CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
Harassment poses a potential problem in any virtual world, and CCP has dealt with cases of this nature for more than a decade. We will continue to monitor and evaluate claims of harassment based on our policies and acceptable standards of behavior.
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
- The EVE Universe Community Team Good Talk
Now... what happens to our two lovebirds?
Namely: Erotica1 - who has committed harassment of bannable to life proportions Sohkar - who -although enraged beyond measure at that point- posted life threats on the voice chat
So what now? To punish them both (Ero1 - life ban, Soh - 30 days ban) would be a hard but justifiable course of action. I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either... |

Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
892
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:50:00 -
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Thank you for the clarification, CCP.
Please clarify.
I have no idea what that means. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Salvos Rhoska
844
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:51:00 -
[178] - Quote
Kaius Fero wrote:Does anyone have already a subtitle for what CCP said? Or they just talking without saying anyhting? Stands to reason that if any future conduct fits the specific wording in the statement, action will be taken.
EULA/TOS has not changed, but the statement reinforces they will act on any such future incidents. ------------ |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5597
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:51:00 -
[179] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:I think the behaviour and attitude Salvos demonstrates in these threads is toxic for the community. He repeatedly expressed the personal joy he'd feel if other members of the community were physically assaulted, and has demonised as many people as he could to try and push his agenda.
It's rather gross.
Yep, and it's that same guy who has the single highest post count in the thread that got lock, the thread where he tried to internet lawyer a guy into a ban for being toxic to the community.
It's like I've said before, the so called good guy/freedom fighter types (Salvos, Ripard, ect ect) in EVE are the real problem, not the Erotica1s
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3164
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Posted - 2014.03.28 14:51:00 -
[180] - Quote
tasman devil wrote:Good Talk
Now... what happens to our two lovebirds?
Namely: Erotica1 - who has committed harassment of bannable to life proportions Sohkar - who -although enraged beyond measure at that point- posted life threats on the voice chat
So what now? To punish them both (Ero1 - life ban, Soh - 30 days ban) would be a hard but justifiable course of action.
CCP Falcon wrote:
As always, CCP will not discuss specific cases of policy enforcement. However, if you have any questions regarding this statement, please feel free to pose them in this thread, and we will respond to the best of our ability.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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